Genuinely why does anyone read this guy's slop? He is one of the worst comic writers I've ever read and even most of his supposed "good" comics are mid at best and fall apart with any sort of scrutiny.
>>153420861He was Grant Morrison's protégé IIRCWrote a couple of good Superman TAS comicsHis beliefs are confusing as fuck though
>>153420861Damn, you fucking done Millar with this one OP.
>>153420861I don't enjoy any of his comics, but he has a great podcast in which he interviews other comic book writers and artists.https://m.youtube.com/@millartime5717
>>153420861Casuals love slop.
>>153421113I'm sure he's a swell guy, I don't particularly care about him as a person. I just think he's a really shitty writer.
>>153420861MCU wouldn't exist without him. Take that for what you will.
Superior is good
>>153422592It's not and the twist is retarded>for some reason the wish-granting demon can't get a soul in 500 years because people care about their souls too much and he only managed to get a cripple kid to give up his after a needlessly convoluted plan that fucked him anyway
>>153422592Like most of his comics it's carried hard by the art, the dialogue and story is about as stupid as his other shit.
What about Huck? Starlight?
>>153420861Don't give a fuck what anyone says. Ultimates Vol. 1 and 2 are gold. His Ultimate Avengers on the other hand....also gold.
>>153422571Why
>>153425786They're very much a product of their time, and they still read remarkably well. I know some people disagree, but Millar is a fundamentally strong writer with some great strengths that tend to be overshadowed by some of his other proclivities. First, Millar has a handle on character. Every member of his Ultimates team reads as the character rather than the writer's filter (Bendis). His dialog has bite, and there is a genuine sentimentality that never leaves. Basically I don't think he ever gets as truly mean spirited as Ennis, which makes Millar's edgy stuff land infinitely better. Second, Millar has a stellar sense of pacing. He knows how to plot a store and keep it moving. And he does it without sidelining character growth or nice little moments. He made Ultimate Tony charming. His tiny moment with Peggy deciding not to see Steve was soul destroying. He writes these characters like people. And he also helped establish the "widescreen" approach to comics that I feel works exceptionally well (especially in today's era of pretention). His layouts aren't earth shattering, but they are exactly what they need to be. He uses the 2x4 layout to great effect, and even in instances with only four panels on a page at no point did it feel wasted. Bendis however could spend 8 panels on a page and accomplish half. Millar is an economical writer, and this can be evidenced by his 20 something page superman issue compromised entirely on one page stories. Fucking incredible.
>>153425642>What about Huck?Carried by the art and he doesn't really do anything with the whole "Superman but he's Forest Gump" thing beyond the initial premise.>Starlight?Also carried by the art, it's probably his best work but still it's just okay, it's just Flash Gordon if he was an old man plus some needless edge by the villain and the plot gets resolved by one of his many dumb deus ex machinas.
>>153420861You got this triggered in the Deniz Camp thread you had to make your own, eh?
>>153425642OP already said even his best comics are mid
>>153426039Guilty but I'm still waiting on an explanation how the whole soul thing isn't retarded.
Okay, but how do you compare him to filler writers like Jeremy Adams, Jed MacKay, David Pepose, etc.
>>153425710holy based
>>153425710Isn't that the one that made Blob a cannibal and Torch a rapist?
>>153425642Starlight was alright but Huck was pure ass, I don't understand what anyone sees in that one. The sequel series was even worse.
>>153426945no, that is jeph loeb's ultimates 3 and ultimatum
his writing is fun to read is dialogue that effectively entertains.
>>153425710It was a hell of a ride and he's written the best take on Captain America as a man out of the 40's without apologetic liberal crap, without defaulting to the obvious "he'd be REALLY racist and misogynist" jokes that you think he'd use given the reputation.
>>153425931>but Millar is a fundamentally strong writerI have to disagree with that assertion, I can't stand the way he writes dialogue or structures his stories. He's not as bad as someone like say Bendis who is peak awful but I find something just so fundamentally lacking when it comes to the way he crafts various characters' voices.
>>153429483>Bendis who is peak awfulI think there are even worse writers.
>>153429617Of course, he's just one of the absolute worst when it comes to high profile ones. As for Millar I just think he's run of the mill bad.
>>153420861I like the 1st American Jesus; but I never see threads about it or anyone talking about it in general.
>>153426039Every criticism levied against Millar is just as applicable to Camp.
Riddle me this: Why did he go full radio silence in the last few months? He didn't even pop back up to shill his next book, that shitty space crossover....
>>153430782Millar isn't woke kek.
>>153430845He literally said in his newsletter and podcast that his Netflix productions are taking too much of his time for anything else. It sounds like we're getting an adaptation of King of Spies.
>>153430854Irrelevant. No one is criticising Millar for being "too woke" or whatever (although he is no conservative or right-winger for that matter), all the issues that people with Millar's work also apply to Camp's. Everyone just overlooks it with Camp because they agree with his politics.
>>153430952A big problem with Camp is that he puts politics before characters, having no idea how to properly write politics. His politics are also genocidal, which makes his "heroes" actually evil.
>>153430952I, for one; overlook it because I have no idea who Deniz Camp is.
>>153420861At this rate we're gonna need a Shit Writer General.>>153430854I mean... Civil War was still seethe about the Bush administration. Which, yes, was shit, but they didn't need to fucking ruin Marvel over it.
>>153431051This is also true but because his genocidal fantasies are directed towards "socially approved" targets so to speak, he gets applauded for it. A lot of Camp's work is the very material that the Punisher's comics get accused of being.
>>153420861He needs to make a return to Sonic the Hedgehog, that could have amazing results
>>153431145The politics of Civil War didn't take over the characters and story, though.
What big names aren't slop-em-up Charlies anyway? Everyone whose name I know I hate.
>>153431327Most big names with good stories to their name have been dying...>>153431313Reed got pushed into a villain role, though, for instance, and the bad guys were openly throwing heroes in the Negative Zone Guantanamo. It's hard to tell how much was just from tie-ins. Like supposedly Tony pushing villains to try to attack politicians so he could "save" them, profiteering off the war and so on.
>>153430782Absolute Martian Manhunter is better than anything Millar has written tho, Camp might be a bigger faggot by far but he's still a better writer.
>>153433850AMM is hard carried by it's art like it's an over encumbered pack mule.
>>153434263I agree the art does a lot of work for it but the writing isn't outright bad like Millar's slop where the art does ALL of it. Like at worst AMM is above average, John has had a solid character arc so far and the story doesn't need to pull shit from its ass to keep the plot moving. Also the actual presentation bit of it is fun which has as much to do with the writing as it does the artist. It feels like a collaborative project instead of a work for hire where the art is incidentally good like with a lot of Millar's work.
>>153433850Put a bad artist on that and you would be hating it. It is entirely carried by the art.>>153434381>Also the actual presentation bit of it is fun which has as much to do with the writing as it does the artist.No, that's the artist
>>153434524>Put a bad artist on that and you would be hating it.Disagree, it's still an interesting idea that's handled well. The art *accentuates* it but the foundation is still solid. As a counter example I really like Nick Dragotta as an artist but Absolute Batman has (absolutely) retarded writing like most of Snyder's stuff so I don't care for it.>No, that's the artistIt's both, the artist probably didn't come up with the comic book gimmicks all on his lonesome and most writers tend to have input on general layout of a scene.
>>153434616>disagreeYou can't disagree with an objective fact.
>>153435211It's not an objective fact, I just provided an example of me not liking a comic even if it has an artist I particularly like, I'd even go so far to say I like Dragotta as an artist more than Rodriguez but it still didn't move the needle for me. Martian Manhunter is still easily the best written Absolute book. I don't think it's particularly great but it's solid in a way the others aren't.
>>153433850You're out of your mind
>>153425931Great writeup. I think Millar does character voices better than most cape writers. They are often obnoxious and cruel, but people often are.
>>153436009To me Frank Miller's All Star Batman has obnoxious and cruel characters and to me is entertaining. Similarly Garth Ennis comics can have obnoxious and cruel characters and still be readable to me. Mark Millar's stuff where he writes assholes just feels cookie-cutter by comparison to both so the obnoxious and cruel part just makes it annoying rather than enhancing most of the time.
>>153436732I feel like Miller and Ennis at least know how to do great character moments when they're at their peak. Ennis in particular is great at genuine heart to heart conversations. Millar to me just comes across as having all their crudeness but none of the underlying skill and a lot of his dialogue feels samey between characters like they lack a unique voice.
>>153421007Morrison and Millar worked directly together on some of the worst comics ever made, he was in no sense Morrison's protege
>>153437233>Morrison and Millar worked directly together on some of the worst comics ever made,>he was in no sense Morrison's protegeI don't see how these points contradict each other
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>>153437233They wrote the best Flash run.
>>153436802There's a bitterness in Ennis that makes his edgy stuff outputting to me, not as bad as Elis though. With Millar it just feels like a big brother trying to gross you out. No real edge or anger in his edge.
