If Jason Todd is so popular, why can’t DC find a good writer for him? I assume that the more popular a character is, the higher the caliber of writer they get unless Jason Todd isn’t actually as popular as people say he is.
>>153421051The only Batfam anyone wants to write is Dick Damian and Cass.
>>153421051He's only popular in fanfic and gay porn, not in actual sales.
>>153421051Because most people working at DC right now are Dickfags, and everyone knows they hate Jason more than anything.
>>153421051>why can’t DC find a good writerIt's a mystery, anon.>>153421367And you know that because?
>>153421051I mean, people here would claim that Batman didn't have a good writer for a decade and he is DC best selling character so your metric for popularity is just weird. Besides, if he wasn't popular, DC wouldn't have gotten rid of him long time ago.
>>153421051He is only popular between mentall ill people. And not the good mentall ill type. Just the obnoxious ones.
>>153421051I miss Jason mortal combat costume. I wish they would bring it back.
>>153421741Because I jerk off to gay batman fanfic, obviously.
>>153421986Fuck that gay shit, bring back his helmet.
>>153422089Nah, I prefer the hoodie over the hamlet.
>>153422147Well, you're a faggot with shit taste, the helmet is iconic.
>>153422008You should jerk off to his toys and figures too, then. Maybe that will help you to not talk out of your ass.
>>153422181Yeah, so "iconic" that it hasn't been used for a decade now.
>>153422209>hasn't been used for a decade>still the look everyone associates with Jason the most.Yep, iconic.
>>153422229Fanart in OP's pic prove otherwise.
>>153421051>Whole ideology is about permanently removing the worst of the worst for good>Only kills mooksThe real problem is that DC won't let Jason kill anyone important.
>>153422241Weak logic. I can post fan art of characters least popular outfits, and it wouldn't change the fact their iconic suits are still iconic.
>>153421051Who told you he was popular?
>>153422243Even if he did, it's not like it wouldn't matter because they will bring them back shortly after (unless you are Alfred).
>>153421051Because his fanbase is too divided. Half want him as the “edgy” one in the Batfamily, the other half want him to be Punisher and murdering people, which as you can guess is two mutually exclusive things. So DC can’t pick which one they want to appeal to so he’s stuck being unused.
>>153422310And that's because DC can't fucking decide what they want Jacon to be in the wider scheme of things. They tried making him a villain, they tried multiple times to put him on his own team, they had him give up killing and go back to it again.It like they brought him back without thinking of what to do with him.
>>153421367Hardly any character is popular then considering how poorly comics sell. People at least care enough about Jason to create content of him which is more than be said of the vast majority of characters.
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>>153422299jason threads get a lot of attention.
>>153422299Why do you think he's not?
>Jason's creator dies the same day Jason diedSpooky
>>153421051He's tumblr popular. A bunch of loud faggots and women who've never read a single comic in their life and only know him from single pages, their interest in the character is "awww, poor broken baby" and shipping him.
>>153422283I didn't mean the outfit. You would find far more fanarts with white strip than with the hamlet.
>>153422512Conway is dead?
>>153422591>He's tumblr popularYeah, that's just a cope. Jason is extremely popular among women and men. You seem to forget that Jason was the most demanded character in Injustice and it was said by Boon himself that he got the biggest reaction from fans.
>>153422811Dude... check the news...
>>153421051Because hiring better writers would be too expensive.
>>153422423Getting attention on an imageboard that maybe had a couple of hundred in daily traffic isn't a good enough metric.Thats like thinking MyAnimeList has Zoids shows in the 10s or 100s thousands reviewcount suddenly makes that a show everyone knows.>>153422466The fact that his original robin stories literally ended with "either we kill him off or put him in a coma to maybe bring back later, VOTE NOW".Besides that we got Redhood (villain) stories that got some traction, Redhood (antihero/hero) stories that most don't care about, and Batfamily events that maybe get some attention.Was he ever even in the Injustice games? I know he was in the Arkham games but don't as much talk so idk how much traction that gave to the character.
>>153424279Can't tell if you are serious or just want to argue. It's 2026, still arguing about whether Jason is popular or not is quite silly. >Was he ever even in the Injustice games? I know he was in the Arkham games but don't as much talk so idk how much traction that gave to the characterI mean, come on.
>>153421051What's exactly your definition of popularity?
>>153422243Death doesn't apply in DC-land for big names, and bat-vigilantes will never go hard on white collar thugs and politicians. > It's as if the whole concept being RH is to not work and be a strawman
>>153425643fanart and discussion
>>153421051I'm surprised they didn't keep going with the bizarro trinity set up for longer. Just hire Dexter Söy for art duties, he seems to like the character
>>153421051He's off playing baby sitter duties this yearHiggins had to clarify on xitter that he's taking into account Jason's character development after making a crowbar joke at a convention
>>153422191>Only I get to discuss batman gay fanfiction!
>>153421051The character has zero storytelling potential beyond what was already extremely well adapted into Under the Red Hood. After that, he's just Punisher Junior, and every successful Punisher Jr story weakens the original tragedy.
>>153426363>schizo postingI didn't discuss anything. You're the only retard to bring gays or fanfic into this.
>>153425795Is it though?
>>153426381>The character has zero storytelling potential beyond what was already extremely well adapted into Under the Red Hood.But Under the Hood was a terrible story and the reason why Jason's character is all over the place.>After that, he's just Punisher Junior, and every successful Punisher Jr story weakens the original tragedy.Except that the original tragedy was already cheapened because of UTRH, not because of Jason coming back.
>>153421051I've always liked that name... 'Jason Todd.'
>>153427270The comic, yes. The movie adapted everything worthwhile about the story, and the differing context means a lot of the more terrible elements were avoided.>Except that the original tragedy was already cheapened because of UTRH, not because of Jason coming back.Jason dying as Robin was tragic in the sense that A Bad Thing Happened. The movie adaptation of UTRH is Tragic in the sense that the noble/heroic qualities of a character are also what leads to their inevitable downfall. Oedipus is noble because he cannot stop searching for truth, but searching for truth is what leads to his destruction; imagine what would happen if after he plucks out his eyes, he has "continuing adventures of Blind Man, the Guy Who Knows Exactly When To Stop Looking. The Tragedy is completely ruined.
>>153421051WB, DC & Batoffice obviously don't want a character who undermines their earner.Imagine introducing someone in any property who pokes holes in the main character's entire ethos and can't truly be physically or philosophically defeated without it only making the main character look like even more of an asshole for turning all their efforts on an anti-hero compared to the villains they're more lenient on. I know it makes sense why Bruce is so intent to prevent Jason slipping further down the deep end, it's not just insecurity, but it still reads like that to people who aren't familiar with the substance of their history beyond him being an ex-Robin back to do to Gotham's psychos what he suffered a futile death for.Atop all that from the charged comments I read from his last would-be-writer I also imagine there's a group within the general writing sphere who are worried doing Jason any favors would land another Punisher on their hands. Yeah, I know it's dumb to fault art for the way life is, but I get why most of these companies don't want to be remotely legally accountable for some teen putting on a red hoodie and blasting whoever.
>>153429159it's not the companies fault if some mentally unstable kid likes a comic character. I don't think they would be held liable for something like that unless i'm wrong.
>>153429159Then why don’t they just kill him off?
>>153426740Well, what do you consider popularity?
>>153421051cool hoodie
>>153421051No one can agree on who he should be or what he should do.
>>153432111That applies to literally every character.
>>153432470especially jason, though. ask people what they want out of him and you will hear several dozen different answers
Why is there so much art with him and Prime now ?
>>153433081Due to their perceived similarities, but also because Prime is technically the one who revived Jason in the first place.Also fujos, mainly fujos.
>>153428810>the noble/heroic qualities of a character are also what leads to their inevitable downfall.UTRH doesn't deal with or explore that at all. I wouldn't even call it a subtext or implicit here, especially given who is behind that. If it did, perhaps we wouldn't have the unhinged character assassination that followed afte utrh and which still peek-a-boos once in a while.
>>153433181>>153433081
>>153433214This is so simple just make gay fanfiction is all they wantDC will never find a writer for this, without guns is like he doesn't exist and the editorial line is culling down the unnecessay violence
>>153429572> Why don't they kill joker who actually attract the dangerous edgelords that these company don't want to be associated withMoney and the visibilty that come with popularity.>>153432983Especially Jason thanks to DC being all over the place with him.
>>153432983It’s not as complicated as people make it sound. It really just comes down to whether he kills or not.
>>153433181>Also fujos,They've never shown interest in him before. Dan Mora carries once again.
>>153433214jason is being mischaracterized in that image. he's not a moeblob
>>153433081All Supers must have a Bat.
all primefags are dbspics, and don't actually read anything but powerlevel forums and tiktok. do not engage.
will Jason ever get back his Red Hood helmet look again, not the Red Pill, I mean the helmet with leather jacket look
>>153435449We can only hope.
>>153422089>.t Prime
>>153436936Aside from the low brow idea of wanting characters to be recognizable or something, I don't get how this logically happens.Two assassins and a teen worried her identity will be exposed would do as much as possible to conceal it.Furthermore Cass who communicates mostly through body language and wants her old self to become engulf by the Bat visually doing just that is kinography.Jason modernizing the Red Hood look so the only Jasonism are from his behavior has a similar ideology, but also the whole exploding helmet thing was chef's kiss in terms of showing how thorough he planned his unmasking, how insane he is to go around to an unknown degree with an explosive around his head, and using the very thing that actually killed him, an explosive not a crowbar, as a weapon. It's also a simpler "logo" of sorts than the chunky red symbol they've fought to make sense of.
>>153435392Jason has Bizarro. Dick is the only Bat without a Super.
>>153435449>>153436936I wonder if Jason appearing on the covers of the Summer special without the white streak since the shitty Joker book, is a sign of DC finally fixing his looks
>>153437180Technically Jason's Bizarro is dead, he hasn't had him for a long time.
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>>153437180I think Waid tried to retroactively pair Dick with Supergirl.
>>153437165>It's also a simpler "logo" of sorts than the chunky red symbol they've fought to make sense of.Jason has sadly never had a good logo, the Bat makes no sense for him, the skull is goofy and too Punisher-like, and the mask is just too nondescript.The helmet worked as well as a symbol since it was an iconic trait of Jason's costume design.
>>153437390It's just artists flip-flopping on how they want Jason to look and DC not caring about it enough to correct them, he's still showing up in Teen Titans with the white streak.
>>153437462The thing is, they have been pretty consistent about giving him the white streak in covers since they made it canon in the Joker book. Some covers even make it the most distinctive element of his design. It is irritating that they can't keep the streak consistent, though.
>>153437180Jimmy Olsen.
>>153438957That costume is so retarded but the worst part is that it only needs a few tweaks to be good. Drop the retarded chest armor, give him the helmet, and change the pants for tactical ones and it would be good
>>153438957that is bart's girl
>>153439432Maybe when he stops being drawn like a child lol
>>153439432I honestly thought Bart was gay or asexual.
>>153421051Jason ArtemisBizarrothere...thats all people want.
>>153440354he basically was asexual until geoff johns disgraced the world with his run on teen titans
bump
>>153428810>The movie adapted everything worthwhile about the story, and the differing context means a lot of the more terrible elements were avoided.Except it didn't. In fact, UTRH is still terrible at the end of the day, much like UTH the comic. >The Tragedy is completely ruined.The tragedy is ruined because UTH does nothing with it. None of it actually plays into the story in a meaningful manner; Winick focused so much on the weakest aspect of the story (Joker killing Jason) instead of what actually set everything in motion. And that's why Jason's fucked. He has no urgency. He's now just an antagonist for Bruce to beat.
>>153429159>WB, DC & Batoffice obviously don't want a character who undermines their earner.Except Winick made it clear that Jason was in the wrong from the start. It's just that Winick is a terrible writer and never made an effort to show it.
>>153440710>there...thats all people want.Maybe the retards on r/redhood and people who wouldn't know a good comic if it fell on their lap, sure.
>>153439432Bart can watch while sitting on a cuck chair
>>153442442mental illness.
>>153442039damn bro. tell me you have a comic book YouTube channel I can subscribe to
He's ass
>>153442039The bar for those people is very low.
>>153437462Nice narrative, but lodbell or the artist for that futur TT book have literally said this decision was above their paycheck when fans directly asked about it.
>>153446693Then I guess it's just DC flip-flopping on whether they want the white streak or not.I don't see why, but same difference.
>>153421051Jason took Dick's spot as DC's favorite experiment.Under Didio Dick's character's direction changed multiple times to try to make him exciting or less superfluous. Didio left 6 years ago and he's been stable for 5 years now, the longest since the Dixon era, and his sales are stable as always so they'll probably just leave him be now that there's not anybody who outright hates him running the company.
