If casuals like lore so much, why do they complain about wordiness in comics? Do they want it to be super vague like a Souls game? Lore videos on gaming topics are incredibly popular do people just listen to them in the background without actually caring about the details?
>>153427353Probably because the words are fluff. They don't help with characterization or add to worldbuilding/lore.
>>153428519This
>>153427353most of the fanbase are fake nerds and the minority, the real nerds, like lore.
>>153427353Because it’s bad writing
>>153428519If the complaint is bad writing, say that. But casuals don't say 'this dialogue is poorly written' they say 'there's too much to read.' That's not the same thing, and it tells you everything about what they actually want.
>>153428765Why make a thread to ask what motivates casuals if you already know?
>>153428779Because I wanted to see if anyone would actually defend it or just prove my point for me.
>>153428765Casuals arent reading comics.They can read sandman, Constantine, and wordy silver surfer and infinity gauntlet stories. But modern stuff is just badly written and ir decompressed trash.
>>153428676A lot fake nerds like lore too. They read the wikis.
>>153428813It depends on how you define reading. If looking at words on a page counts, then sure. But actually deciphering what it means, how things connect, and what's being communicated beneath the surface that's what I consider real reading. I don't believe a casual person can pick up those books and recite what happened.
>>153429830ok relax there alan moore, you and your layers upon layers of meaning. what's ultimately being read are comic books, they should be digestible to everyone, including children i'd expect teens, young adults, and youtubers to be needlessly analyzing and deep diving to search for meaning and make it easy for videos, wikis, and reddit posts to be made >I don't believe a casual person can pick up those books and recite what happenedthis part kills me kek. for sure anon i'll write you a 2 page essay on what i just read to prove to (You) that i really for reals read about batman kicking joker in the dick with harley farting in the background
>>153430933>you and your layers upon layers of meaningEvery medium does this.
>>153430933you underestimate how dumb the average person is
>>153432953If you cant explain it to a child then you dont understand it. It betrays a lack of talent with the medium.
>>153432995Neil Gaiman, Alan Moore, Grant Morrison by that metric they're all talentless. The ability to write for children and the ability to write with depth are two completely different skills. Conflating them isn't the gotcha you think it is
>>153432995That's not how this works.
>>153432995You can explain astrophysics to a child, but you couldn't literally turn them into astrophysicists. For a layman adult, hell, even a fellow scientist but in a different field, you're going to have to summarize some things or leave them out.If you want a story that has nothing beyond a child's understanding, go read children's-actually no. Most GOOD children's media has deeper and more mature themes that they won't quite get yet, to challenge them and as a bonus for their parents.Go eat slop.
>>153429742how is that fun? how is reading a wiki more entertaining that reading a story.
>>153427353It's just poor wording when someone means they are complaining about the word to panel ratio rather than raw word count. If you spread out dialogue of several panels instead of having a single panel do all the work it's less annoying. Granted that means more work for any artist and more pages so it's a juggling act
>>153435498The lack of availability and the tendency for bad art and superfluous text make wikis a more viable option for most casuals.
>>153427353I'd rather have pages of full prose in between issues than comic pages blown out with speech balloons.
>>153427353Idk
>>153427353Goddamn CASUALS!
>>153427353>like a Souls gamealright does anybody actually know why those fucking games are obsessed with fingers? is it meant to be funny
>>153427353Narration hasn't majorly been in comics since the silver age
>>153427353There's lore, and then there's lore ipsum.
>>153427353>seeing and hearing lore = good>reading little bit of lore here and there = good>dropping paragraphs of lore every page = badThe less reading the better.
>>153441145>dropping paragraphs of lore every page = badthis only happens during big events. it's not that common.
>>153441215It happens during backstory and world building info dumps. Some autistic writers love sharing their thick ass loreshit.
>>153441145This but also this >>153437189
>>153427353the claremont style where a character is rattling off multiple paragraphs describing every maneuver they take in an action scene, we can all agree that's shit right?
>>153432953You overestimate how smart you are if you can’t communicate with the average person
>>153433084Being incapable of creating media the audience wants to read is a clear lack of talent. Its not the commercial artists who are wrong, it is the consumers. They are broken!
>>153435498They like the idea of a thing more than the thing itself. Like women who buy books because the author posted a saucy summary on Tiktok but they never finish reading it.
>>153442621I hate it.
>>153442621I don't remember liking how their thoughts are written.
>>153434550Thats stupid. You can tell meaningful stories to childre, and I include early teens, while not having nigh esoteric thesaurus thumbing self aggrandizing trash strewn about the page.They fail completely in being able to tell a story to their audience. We arent talking about big brain bespectacled hot geek girls reading foot thick arcane math books in latin here. We're talking about twerps and bored manchildren, foids, the occasional normie reading for fun. And sometimes picking up Moore, Gaimen, Morrison, Ennis when he isn't trying to be edgy to get something more complex and meaty. Each has their strengths and weaknesses. But that weakness cant be in telling stories in a way that alienated or worse bores the audience. Thats a no no.
>>153445652>twerps>foids, the occasional normie These don't read comics.>Moore, Gaimen, Morrison, EnnisThey wrote comics largely for teens.
>>153427353for one they are usedd to action manga where theres 10+ pages with no words. Two, they expect comics to play out like movie scenes not like a seperate medium. Together it results in pure cancer.
>>153446184They do. Just not "big 2" comics. Its an incestuous bubble kept afloat by larger entities and are only concerned with pleasing theur owners. Its not really made for anyone now. Bone and Dogman and old books like sandman and books of magic and collected works are. Not floppies and really nothing recent. Its not for..well...US.
