When you think about it, Conquest was the definition of a jobber.
>>153442293On someblevel...he was ready to die. He was fucking miserable. He liked laying waste to shit, but he hated that it was all his people thought he was good for. He probably would have enjoying training troops rather than being an attack dog.
>>153442293Dude didn't even have a proper name, and no woman would fuck him after millenia. I'd want to die too.
>>153442293>>153442430>>153442461Conquest is probably one of the best tragic villains I've seen in awhile, especially because the story doesn't try to excuse his fucked up crimes because of how miserable and shitty his life has been.
>>153442293 And what a showman he was!
>>153442580Agreed.
>>153442293I miss him
>>153443053I think, since Angstrom is still alive, there is a non-zero percent chance that we see an alterative version of Conquest in season 5. I unironically think it would be pretty cool if Mark is sent to an universe were Conquest is the one sent to Earth instead of Nolan and he is the one that ends up becoming the first Viltrumite to break away.
>>153442293As much of a gimmick as it was to get Jeffrey Dean Morgan to voice him, it actually worked out to an extent. Helps that he sounds like a grizzled old geezer in every role, I guess.
Fraudquest
>>153442293define a jobber in your own words
>>153442835Lol, all that gaslighting about "they didn't make him tragic! stop pointing out how adding insecure elements ruins his role of being 100% unambiguously pure evil with zero humanizing traits!!" only to admit it was bullshit
>>153442580He wouldn't consider what he did crimes. He literally loved doing that shit. He just hated that everybody thought that was all he could do. In the latest issue of battle beast, he just fucked up the soldiers of a planet that wasn't even on the Viltrumite menu and he was just kicking back and relaxing when Kregg came down and bitched at him for not making himself easily findable. He was killing and eating aliens just for funsies. It's not that he minded wrecking shit and committing all kinds of violent acts against sentient beings. The empire and his reputation just kept him so removed from his fellow viltrumites that he was hating life. He was seen as a tool, not a person. Tanks have feelings too.
>>153443211Angstrom opens up so many story lines. Also nice dubs!
He just loved his waifu
Alternative invincibles was such a wasted storyline, such fucking potential and theyre all 1 note villains with one of them spontaneously returning for less than 7 pages as a cannibal, instantlty dies, then the last one is snuffed out like nothing for robot plotYes i have been watching gda mark edits
>>153445962Invincible is such an easy to understand universe that you can do a lot of things with Mark, his world and his cast.It feels like old school comics and manga au shit, just make an Oc and have fun.>gda MarkA very solid concept, feels pretty damn obvious in retrospect.
>>153442580where the fuck do you shizos even get all this subcontext about conquest? did the cartoon expand on it? because there's nothing in the comics other than a brief mention from nolan about him being a great warrior before getting deranged
>>153442430>He probably would have enjoying training troops rather than being an attack dog.No he wouldn’t.
>>153445962Such a cool concept gda mark is>Gets his powers early>Omniman panics and immediately starts trying to conquer earth and kills Debbie>Mark sees, this omniman can't bear to realize what he's done>Flies away now mark is alone>Cecil decides to raise him>Invincible becomes the ultimate weapon of humanity being a combination of inhuman power and bleeding edge technology I would honestly follow this plotline
>>153445962>gda mark edits?
>>153446805https://youtu.be/be0bHiL7VG8
>>153446744I get why but its still annoying mark doesnt just man up and work with cecil, they both know theres a frequency bullshit that fucks with viltrumites, just give marks suit an inbuilt loudspeaker, some ear plugs and let him turn it on whilst going to town on viltrums
>>153446841Kino
>>153445962>gda markseeing the fan animations made me realise I havent actually seen any examples of>superpowered person becomes government asset but things actually turn out alright and it's not some homelander-esque deranged tool, nor is it some cia clandestine evil government shit forcing the hero to do bad things>just a hero and the government both earnestly trying to protect the peopleevery time I see hero-government pairings in a story, whether its a government lapdog superman stuff or lab grown superpowered freak born in government experiments, shit is always shady and it all goes tits up.It helps that cecils probably the most likable glowie in fiction
>>153446936This. Cecil rubs me in such a good way. That sort of relentlessly pragmatic evil, always trying to not being evil, always trying to minimize damage, but bringing in the most fucked up shit for the greater good if it's needed. Actual morality, competence and skill, rather than moralfaggotry
>>153447014Too bad he got jobbed off for the sake of the space plot/robot wank plot
>>153442293Was he?Frank's a pretty cool guy, tho.
>>153447014goggins va is doing a lot of the heavy lifting for me desu, reading the comics cecil always felt a bit sleazy to me, but in the show im nodding my head like a retard whenever hes on screen cause he sounds like a chill bloke to have a cold one withOr maybe it was just cause he had no jawline in the comics and looked fat
>>153447014Cecil has a set of principles he tries to uphold, despite the actual hell he has to live through each day.Every compromise is out of logistics or desperation.When he fucks up, it feels more like he failed to succeed in his plans as apposed to him being glowie lapdog that foams at the mouth for power.Pissing off Mark and keeping Conquest alive are his biggest blunders, but they make more sense than staying in a hospital room while everyone else is fighting for thier lives.That said, sometimes bad people need to die to save good or 'decent' people.Cecil keeps a death count for fuck sake.
>>153447069>pissing off markId take that off the list because if youre referring to the sinclair shit, mark wasnt even given cecil an option, dude wanted his way or no way so he had no choice but to nvm mid type I just remembered he put a failsafe inside marks head against his will which is pretty fucked, but then again mark kinda proved his point by chimping out
>>153446128>nigga does horrible shit>nigga tells a guy he's about to kill that he hates his life but whatever>nolan builds a grave because something something he was crazy but he never wavered
>>153444486he literally calls them atrocities he knows what he's doing is fucked up but has no willpower to do something else.
>fewer than 100 viltrumites after the plague>50 at the beginning of the viltrumite wars>viltrum supposedly had multiple agents across the galaxy weakening planets and finding aliens to bang>except that the context of the story seems to insist that it might have just been nolan, since conquest can solo planets with ease and the rest of them seem to travel in squads of 3There is so much in this story where they could have improved by just having more viltrumites be alive or born since the scourge.
>>153442293Yes, he fits the definition and that's 100% okay. Some characters only exist to make others look better. No shame in that.
>>153446841Is the dude in the blue & white jacket Rex (but his powers have somehow been evolved to when he can just manifest his energy charging as giant blasts)?
>>153447963It seems like everyone's gotten a power boost in that universe, theres animation of gda mark's eve doing some bombastic shit as wellMoral of the story is everything is better when you trust the shadow government
Normies really have went all in on this sort of OC invincible thing, I take it some of the versions are less serious than others
Invincible powerscaling autism is my current hyperfixation but I don't want to enter the Death Battle thread. Where do I go to see monkeys complain about which cartoon character can "no diff" which anime character?
>>153448158You are talking about Death Battle shit, you are essentially just wanting to read the identical posting on a different website
>>153444448One who jobs
>>153446128>did the cartoon expand on it?Yes.
>>153448340I dont like your attitude
>>153442293He should have use his ROCKETTO PAAAAAUNCH when Mark was choking him, then he wouldn't have died.
>>153442293>Conquest>JobberBruh no just no, Conquest was not a jobber what kind of mentally ill inbred troglodyte would think this. Have you not read the comic OP? This isn't even bait or secondary retardation.Conquest is basically the final form cell in the invincible universe. Dude is beyond strong as fuck, he is stronger than every other Viltrumite ignoring Thragg who somefuckinghow fought Mark in the god damn atmosphere of our sun. THEY FOUGHT INSIDE THE GOD DAMN SUN SHITS BEYOND RETARDED. Plasma thats over 9000c whats that?? Lightening never ending lightening that hits anything turns shit into carbon for a split second and that carbon into CO2 gas which then turns that gas into nothing. The gravity being insane, the fucking magnetism& OH RIGHT RADIATION SO POWERFUL IT DOESNT FUCKING MATTER WHAT IT IS ANYTHING ORGANIC IS DYING WITHIN A NANOSECOND. The end of the comic man yet again to jump the shark, Like every couple of chapters is just keeps jumping the shark. But this time its a massive sharkrnado(with dozens of rabid great white sharks during mating season and a feeding frenzy) that is above an active seas level volcano so its on fire full of magma and extreme hot. The water is far above boiling but because off wind, however outside of the sharknado is all super heated steam giving it some insane aura They are all so so much weaker than him. Its clearly stated when shit is a problem, they send in Conquest not to take over the planet. But for him to be a one man genocide machine, for him to be the wooden door closing that planet leaving no survivors. The man the myth the fucking legend with an aura that magically paints everything blue burns the corpsesJ U S T cleanses everything on the plant It doesnt matter what the fauna is anymore its all dying.Even if it means damaging a lot of the natural resources. Conquest aint no bitch he's the Viltrumite wooden door of ethnic cleansing genocidal death the perfect killing machine
>>153444486>Tanks have feelings too.
Question for Anons, what do you think of a headcanon that is Ragnarr/Viltrumite hybrid Thragg because in the comics it is mentioned that Thragg came into existence through good breeding and good genetics matching and I figured it would be cool, but also kind of funny, that Thragg was born from a Ragnarr/Viltrumite mating and this gaining a considerable boost in endurance, strength and fitness and once Thragg joins in on the Purge along with his faction that brought him into existence a little early before the Purge started or the early stages of it once Thragg's faction needed more muscle and power to win the war.I also wonder if Thragg's Ragnarr bloodline would have given him the munchies and thus the perfect opportunity for snacking.
>>153449155I don't think it's possible, but sure is funny
>>153449015>Bruh no just no, Conquest was not a jobber what kind of mentally ill inbred troglodyte would think this.It's what happened when anime became mega mainstream in the 2010s.Like, for example, the word "filler" was mostly used in the anime fandom prior to the 2010s. And it used to represent "content that wasn't part of the manga adaptation"But now, people use the word "filler" for basically every fucking thing that isn't some bombastic action scene or isn't directly addressing the main plot at hand.I watched the recent episode of Theo Boys today, and the idiots I was discussing it with were calling it a filler episode becuase Butcher didn't punch Homelander in the face or whatever, despite>a major supporting character dying> revelations/insights into multiple characters>the motivation of the secondary antagonistBut none of that mattered to them because of a "lack of fight scenes/violence."
>>153449155Thragg is a hypocrite and a bitch. Dude is a SS/Army high officers/generals that was 1488% Jewish. B-but its ok because they were the good "Germanic" Jews. They were only Jewish partly in blood only. They were 40% German master race. They were not some untermensch slavic Jude or god forbid a R*ssian """Jude"""(who are not even Jewish and are without a doubt the worst religious LARPers)These fuckers are the reason why the "myth that all Jews ritualistically rape babies under the age of 4 on an alter in a synagogue. Or how Jews would trick goy mothers offering them money, to use their children for a play or etc for the night/day. When in reality these women would never see their chidren again. Because these monsters would literally poke a hole in the childs neck bleeding them they dry. Collecting all the blood into a special religious golden jug. Filling up perfectly crafted silver jeweled crystal goblets sharing it with every one in the synagogue of satan. Doing this shit weekly & getting away with it. Because of corruption in X countries government, blxackmail &or bribes. For a few decades in Hungary shit was so bad its not even funny it was the Jewish capital of the world. This includes like the gather spot for global kikery, the headquaters of the new world order in the 1800s[/spoilers]Thragg is a lying POS that does not care about the Viltrumites at all only himself, dude claims anything remotely involving any emotion other than rage. Makes you a weak faggot bitch that needs to be cleansed from the gnepool. Once these retards make it onto earth and are allowed to be normal. They start caring about people, they are allowed to think for themselves & legit think about their species as a whole. Next thing you see is BAM they start fucking any&everything they find attractive, pregnancies everywhere including the Viltrumite women. But for once emotion is involved its lovers not mates they care about their children. This enrages Thragg
>>153442580That's jsut a shitty retcon from the show. He wasn't "le sad", he's just a psycho
>>153449703This enrages Thragg so much for many reasons. He's a LARP'er who basically gave the Viltrumite a death sentence as a species. Doing this shit on purpose so no one could usurp him of power. He lied to everyone about any&everything he could, Makig sure everyone was weak&retarded every new generation would be weaker than the next. As well as even more easily controlled, dude was a filthy paraHasidic lamprey. Now granted not much would change if it was found out and everyone was told that Nolan is the heir to the empire. After the invincible war and conquest got his shit pushed in, how being on earth had not only made him stronger. But opened his eyes to true power and leadership, you know he could claim he had old forgotten Viltrumite knowledge&lore books&etc shit that magically vanished from archives. How his child grew up with emotional support and love, how Mark grew up like no other Viltrumite child.Yet even without his bloodline odds are dude would have still became powerful as fuck. Because Mark always fought for a legit reason and not basic bitch domination. He fought for a real reason he had real goals in life. Instead of being a bitch slave to the empire where realistically nothing you do matters. You will be considered a worthless failure no matter how you complete the mission.Thragg not only kept his species weak, but he kept them stupid. Once again worse of all the fucking slimy kike made sure every new generation of hybrids. Were weaker dumber than ever and complete slaves then the last. He kept them in a never ending death spiral. His only goal was to stay in power. Its a shame the virus didn't cleanse his ass it truly is. Because if Viltrumite deserved to die. It was this fucker 9000% over. This fucking kike monster doomed the Viltrumites as a species. Realistically even with all the breeding on earth, the time it took for them to reach adulthood. The government/supers would step in if dudes started pumping out 20 babies a year.
>>153448278So was Immortal's costume also meant to be an 'I' like Invincible's? The big vertical yellow line on the torso makes sense for that though it doesn't explain all the other random lines on it (nothing about his design or powers make sense, what the hell was Kirkman thinking?)
>>153448373are you sure?
Bro is ruining the vibe
>>153442293On his rematch with Mark, I agree he was a jobber. The guy didn't even try ripping Mark's heart out among all the organs he pulled out.Atom Eve barely gets involved in important fights for a meta-reason, and it's understandable that he got weakened by her so Mark could defeat him in that fight.
>>153442293I like carlquest posts an unhealthy amount and I believe it is due to severe daddy issues.
>>153450884Who says that he wasn't trying to
>>153450933Well that's unpleasent
>>153450945Even if he was struggling due to being strangled, his reach was still longer than Mark's. There's no way he couldn't have reached for Mark's heart instead of his guts.
The chokehold was so bad Questy should have easily been able to wrench Mark's hands away with his superior strength, instead of wasting his time fisting the boy's insides.
>>153450933i like the novelty of it
>>153451035He was trying to the whole time, Mark is simply growing stronger (or at least he should be, before the show nerfs him again)
>>153450101thragg is arguably a worse races traitor than thadeus
>>153450933NONONO NO NO NO CURSED IMAGE KILL WITH FIRE AND MAGNETS FROGS ARE CUTE ONLY FILTHY (((TOADS))) DO THIS UNNATURAL SHIT OF REVERSE PREGNANCY PARASITIC LIVING PLANTERS WARTS KILLLLLLLLLL WITHHHHHHH FIREEEEEEEEEEEE &&&&&&&&&&& MAGGNEEETTTTTTS KILL IT >IT SHOULD BE CUTE TADPOLES &OR FROGLETS LIVING ON HER BACK ON HER FUCKING BACK NOT IN IT ONCE AGAIN ONLY FILTHY WART RIDDLED GROSS ASS BUMPY FUCKING (((TOADS))) DO THAT HORRIFIC SHIT. >FROGS HAVE SMOOTH SKIN AND SOME SPECIES MOSTLY TREEFROGS THE MOTHER&FATHERS WILL CARRY THE TADPOLES& ADORABLE FROGLETS ON THEIR BACK. NOT INSIDE THEIR FUCKING BACKS BY CREATING UNNATURAL REPULSIVE FUCKING HORRIFIC PLANTERS WARTS TURNING THEIR YOUNG INTO FUCKING PARASITES BURROWING INTO THEIR FUCKING BODIES.>WHAT THE FUCK DID SUWAKO MORIYA EVER DO TO HAVE SUCH NIGHTMARE FUEL AND CURSED REPRODUCTION CYCLE WHO WOULD DO THIS SHES NOT A FILTHY (((TOAD)))Why god why did this person draw this and not draw a bunch of kimono froglet chibi's Suwako's snuggling&hugging all comfy her back. I want to pour a shit load of sodium hydroxide on her back, like just fucking dunk her back in crystals, this is a fake this is some monster its a trick a filthy (((toad))) trick
>>153442293He was Captain Ginyu to Thragg's Freiza
>>153450386I can only imagine it's meant to be a little like woad since immortal in an ancient pict?Long lines and swirls around joints.
>>153452684If the series was better they should have had him wielding something like an enchanted sword or axe instead of just another totally generic flying brick.
>>153442293>lets fuck around and make the other party mad instead of finishing quickI hate this trope
>>153451035There is no reason why Conquest could not have given Mark the old Viltrum Chop to his head or arms. Complete plot armor bullshit.
>>153450101Watching you schizos crash out this hard over a fictional character is funny to watch.
>>153442293Jobber is only a term for a main reoccurring character losing to establish a threat. Conquest was just a villain
All this proves is that from an actual skill level of viltrumes as fighters is far below other fictional races. their most seasoned veteran doesnt have the technique to defend against a domestic abuse choke. kryptonians arent even a fighting race and non of them have ever gone out so sad leave alone a saiyan.genuine bums>>153445915I take what i say back his cool again
>>153454660shut up bitch
>>153454771No, that's just fodder. Jobbing happens to either good guys or bad guy as it implies there's an expectation placed on the character to be capable.
>>153442293>getting rekt by the equivalent of a toddler in your species>twiceis there a character more pathetic
>>153447069>>153447104What exactly could've Mark done if Cecil just told him no? Mark can't see shit in the white room and Cecil is addicted to teleporting.The earpiece was dumb because Cecil could've had that frequency play through a speaker, like he did during the Invincible War, he didn't need Mark on a leash, he needed Mark to leave Sinclair the fuck alone because Sinclair is explicitly not a free man.Instead of trying to deescalate Mark, Cecil put what was effectively a bomb in Mark's skull, had Reanimen beat the shit out of him while he couldn't move and then he fucking reprimanded him.It's not a criticism of the writing, it's just Cecil going further than he needed to.
>>153447134That or start buffing the heroes. I hate the fact they are all jobbers or too low in power despite their competence (Brit, Rexsplode)
>>153457966Oliver
>>153446936I mean isn't that Captain America's whole thing, being a super hero that helps the government
>>153444448Just like the biblical Job, a Jobber is one who loses for no good reason.
>>153458926Bro is only like 2 years old, cut him some slack
>>153458943Thats his origin story. But once hes thawed out hes butting heads with nick fury and the government, hell isnt roger's whole deal that he refuses to be an obediant lapdog and frequently makes his own calls despite his given ordersthen we see all this with civil war's entire premise, its a relationship of shady government constantly trying to reel in its superpowered idealist doing his own thing you picked probably the worst example against my point desu
>>153458842Didnt mark throw the first punch in the white room, cecil was the dude trying to keep things calm
>>153442293Dies to Mark who gets raped by Anissa yeah I’d say he’s a Jobber
>>153442293No. Mark didn't look good defeating Conquest, he was thrashed and required Eve to bail him out. If he's a jobber he kind of failed at jobbing and performed too well, he came off as a serious threat that was only overcome by myriad circumstances.. which is just a normal antagonist, that's how antagonists work.
>>153449477>But now, people use the word "filler" for basically every fucking thing that isn't some bombastic action scene or isn't directly addressing the main plot at hand.This makes me so livid, I saw some fucking zoomers talking about actual manga storylines as filler Filler is original shit that the original author didn't write to fill time until they can get to adapt shit the author did write, periodIf the author writes a scene where two characters are talking in a bar that is still plot
>>153449334Conquest isnt into blacks
>>153442293but we are TOLD he is powerful, that means he is right?
What superpowered characters, hero or villain, would turn any and all viltrumites into jobbers?General idea would be anyone who had powers that absolutly nullify the viltrumites capability to physically touch them, since literally all they can do in a conflict is grab and fist.
>>153450703Why is knife braid blonde there
>>153448100>Moral of the story is everything is better when you trust the shadow governmentThat's basically already the moral of the comic, just swap "shadow govenment" with "single strong-man dictator" who somehow single-handedly wills everything into perfect order.
>>153442461You think he ever forced himself on a viltrumite lady? I mean he is 2nd only to thragg and it's not like viltrumites would bat an eye, just some mild rapage
>>153461031Viltrumite society is pro-rape, Nolan literally mentions its part of the Old Way that the strong enforce their desire upon the weak which is why he was conflicted when he found out
>>153445915This is a good image
>>153446128He cried to Mark about how lonely and sad he was.>I am so lonely... All the other Viltrumites are scared of me. No one talks to me. No one wants to be my friend - they think I am unstable. They send me from planet to planet, committing atrocities in their name and, as I get better at it, they fear me more and more. I am a victim of my own success... "Conquest"... I don't even get a real name, only a purpose. I am capable of so much more, and no one sees it. Some days I feel so alone I could cry, but I don't. I never do. Because what would be the point? Not a single person in the universe would care... Take it to your grave.
>>153461310It was rather forced and doesn't really mesh though.
>>153442293conquest was stronghe was, in fact, too strong and that's why he lost
>>153442430>>153442580>>153461310https://youtu.be/flvHVYLhYrE
