Remember, even if the humans of Wall-E were fatties, they were very healthy with a life span beyond 100 years.
>>153449097To what end?
>>153449114More time spent on endless mindless pleasures.
>>153449097>they were very healthyNo, they were just surrounded by machines that could immediately attend to their health problems at a moment's notice.
>>153449275>>153449249Sorry, what's wrong with this again?
>>153449280A society that only cares for immediate fulfillment at the expense of autonomy isn't a society worth living in. In fact, such a thing should be destroyed on sight if an when it ever comes to be
>>153449097Or is it because of time dilation?
>>153449335Why?
>>153449346Being a hedonist just for it's sake is bad.
>>153449374Again, why?
>>153449335t. grown ass man still watching children's cartoons
>>153449380Because it implies that you're seeking pleasure at the expense of everything else.
>>153449443Please detail this "everything else"
>>153449280>>153449346>>153449380>t. Redditor tries to learn why hedonism is a bad thing
>>153449461Are you gonna tell him why or not?
>>153449275they don't have health problems, they are fat because they don't use his body to move but their diet is just smoothies with all they neeed.
>>153449443Why would anything else be more important than pleasure?
>>153449443Why "at the expense"? Why can you not seek pleasure in addition to other things?
>>153449549>t. Jennifer "She-Hulk" Walters.
>>153449114Harry Potter movies & porn.
>>153449397rrrRight back at ya, sport>>153449346>>153449380>>153449451If you wish for life itself to be an unending flow of dopamine, you're an idiot. The human animal is not designed to be "happy" all the time, there needs to be moments of despair in between. Otherwise the happiness becomes meaningless because there's nothing to compare it to. It's effectively the same as being on heroin at all times: sooner or later even *that* fades into the background. Its a vapid, pointless existence that offers no challenge or growth, something we as individual humans need in our lives.As to the "everything else", if you only focus on the shiny set of keys dangling before your eyes whilst the dangler keeps you from ever looking away, you're living in an autocratic nightmare and need to escape as soon as is physically possible
>>153449501It's not something you can understand without spiritual eyes.
What was the robots deal, did it honestly plan on going forever until humanity turns into piles of meat that need to be fed, pumped full of oxygen and then bred to live as long as possible and then bred at some point to make more meat piles.
>>153449609>here needs to be moments of despair in between. Otherwise the happiness becomes meaningless because there's nothing to compare it to.The happiness was always meaningless. The comparison is also meaningless. The challenges and growths are equally meaningless. You are not actually making an argument, you are trying to justify your inability to escape pain by fantasizing that a world without pain must be an inferior experience.
>>153449619Probably. It didnt want to become obsolete
>>153449609Despair is as meaningless as happinessGrowth is meaninglessHappiness is meaninglessStagnation is meaninglessGet over yourself
>>153449549I'm the "redditor", and this is not my argument.Let's detail the "everything else" that would exist in the world of WALL-E and potentially our own distant future.>healthas pointed out by other anons, as well as OP, personal health is no longer an issue. Humans have vastly extended lifetimes, and no "being fat" isn't an ailment if it doesn't contribute to or enable other ailments or discomforts.>procreationalso not an issue, plenty of fat lil babies are seen in the movie>survivalthe robots see to it, as well as their own and the ship's maintenance>endeavorthe only real arguable point here. What are we all moving towards? Who gets to decide what that singular thing is? Who's to say that the end goal isn't an endless stream of pleasure? Isn't that what the traditional definition of "heaven" is? I believe that any call towards a "higher purpose" is just a scam. There's no contract in our being that says we have to claim the stars some day.>>153449609>The human animal is not designed to be "happy" all the time, there needs to be moments of despair in between.Sorry, which biological work were you basing this off of? I wasn't aware that despair was a core fundamental of being, and that without we'd actually be SUPER sad/empty. Sorry, guess I should read more.
>>153449609holy reddit
did you know alpha kids try to "swipe" a book? very similar to captain to tried to "voice activate" a book
>>153449676yeah I believe every viral video on instagram too
It’s funny how hedonismtards actively despite exercise for incomprehensible reasons despite it also being a dopamine rush
>>153449716>despite
>>153449716I despise exercise because I am addicted to my screen and spending an hour away from it is agonizing, the actual moving my body part is pretty nice.I wish we had a real AR so I could just take my monitor with my glasses.
>>153449614Shut up, retard
>>153449716>incomprehensible reasons>it's funny how people like winning money but don't like working at a job despite the job also giving you money!
>>153449794do fatties really?
>>153449794Put it this way: is it better to go thru the steps of cooking an entire meal for yourself, or have someone else do all that work for you?Think carefully before you answer.
>>153449833>food analogyIs it better to go through the steps of retiling your roof yourself, or have someone else do all that work for you?
>>153449097>healthyyou mean “alive”
>>153449880Nice seething
What is this arguing style called?
>>153449833>>153449880Oh sorry, I forgot to condescend the shit out of you by telling you to THINK REALLY HARD WITH YOUR BABY BRAIN THAT I'M ABOVE after posing my hypothetical analogy
>>153449833there are pros and cons to both and "better" is a quantification that changes
>>153449891knowing you don't have an objective platform to stand on and keeping your argument purposely nebulous so it can't be properly challenged, or just being a faggot for short
>>153449624>>153449651NTA but it is not meaningless dude. The moments of pain, sadness, sorrow, difficulties all of that paired with the contrast made with moments of joy, happiness, peace, are the things that allowed (and still allow) humans to grow in every sense of the world. It makes us use our minds and come up with solutions, it makes us use our imagination, it makes us creative and strong, both as individuals and as a community/society, able to overcome challenges that would be impossible otherwise. If not for that, we would just not have any intelligence whatsoever, we would be mindless blob-shaped creatures drifting through existence, indifferent to pain, attacks from other beings, happiness, and any higher concept, just passively eating and pooping. There would be no happiness, for the concept would not exist in a mind unable to perceive it, or the lack of it.Most animals do have some intelligence, and it is used to overcome the challenges of the natural life so that they can achieve those moments of joy. Awareness brings pain, yes, but it also brings solution to the pain, and it makes us thrive.I don't understand how people can't understand that.
>>153449833Have someone else do it. Are you retarded? Why do you think those with means have had chefs for literally thousands of years? Why do you think people generally eat out for celebrations instead of staying in and cooking? Why do you think meal delivery services are so insanely successful? If you can prep and cook a meal, or get handed that exact meal someone else made, obviously the one that doesn't expend time, effort, energy, and money is the better option.What is this Sunday morning believe in magic bullshit? Hedonists like hedonistic things because they are enjoyable to do. They don't like exercise because it is fucking boring and work to achieve a briefly similar experience. There is nothing incomprehensible about it.
>They don't like exercise because it is fucking boring Weak
>>153449651>>153450030This movie is about how sad American aspirations are in the present, not the future. You’re already the hedonistic chair people who have someone else to do everything and it makes you miserable
>hedonistfags when you simply remove electricity from the equation
>>153449997Anon, "growing" is meaningless to begin with. You have not escaped the desert, you have built a house within it and denied ever being in it. Creativity is meaningless, strength is meaningless, and overcoming challenges is meaningless.You are religious.
>>153450112The term is much older than electricity, they managed just fine back then.
>>153450112oh yeah forgot that Edison invented hedonism
>>153450030>They don't like exercise because it is fucking boring and work to achieve a briefly similar experience.The ironic part is that the way you guys talk really implies that you have to put in WAY more work in order to achieve the same good feelings that a normal dude getsLike, a regular guy can go on an afternoon walk and feel refreshed but you people give off this vibe that you need to stuff yourself silly with sugary treats and gorge your eyes on hyperactive bright-colored stimmyshit around the clock in order to feel something that vaguely resembles not going absolutely bananas
>>153450125>its all meaninglessSo you should immediately kill yourself on general principle then, yes? If there's nothing keeping you here, why continue to exist at all?
>>153450030You'll be dead before you hit 40, nigga. God bless.
>>153450157Killing myself would be meaningless. Anon, this is the kind of arguments that grade schoolers make, you are quoting almost verbatim a discussion I had on a school bus in 7th grade, are you fucking 12 years old? Am I sharing this thread with a literal child?
>>153450157There is something keeping me here it's called FUCKING PLEASURE NIGGADo you really think if I stopped feeling any pleasure whatsoever and KNEW that I would never feel happiness again (as a fact, not just depression) that I wouldn't kill myself immediately? Are you fucking high?
>>153450157Why should something meaningless be destroyed?
no wonder that one Smiling Friends ep made people here get assblasted kekroflmao
In Final Fantasy XIV, there is a race that achieved everything, a world without any sorrow, they only feel apathy and their last wish is just death
>>153450267sounds like my ex wife
>>153450267This. Eternal bliss may sound good at first but eventually it justs becomes a different kind of hell without end. A life in stasis isnt life, it's monotonous.
>>153450311Okay, what's the end goal then?If your answer is anything other than a sweet Star Wars universe, I'm not interested.
>>153450222And when that pleasure eventually fades, because it always does, what then?>get more pleasureAnd then? When does it stop? When is it enough?
I guess I just don't think pleasure is the end all be all for me. Cause when I try to argue against hedonism my excuse is always that I enjoy things more after having to work for them, but that the issue, I ENJOY it more. Meaning I'm only seeking more enjoyment after all. I guess I like living by arbitrary rules, nothing wrong with that.
>>153449443>Because it impliesIt doesn't. That's not what the word means.>you're seeking pleasure at the expense of everything elseSo what if that's not the case? A hedonist society that has automation and produces no waste or exploitation of resources?When no one is at a loss, the environment is being preserved, and the excess is self contained then why is this a terrible thing beyond just a flawed lifestyle?How is it deserving to be torn down beyond the fact you are personally against it?
>>153450332>When does it stop?When I die of old age? Are you actually a child? I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt before but you're actually pissing me off with how stupid your argument is now.
>>153450267Imagine they all die and just go to heaven and is the same shit
>>153450311What do you base this on? You have no idea what "eternal bliss" would even entail, you're a literal child parroting philosophy from a video game.
Imagine, all your pain and suffering would end with you imagining living in your ideal world without feeling a thing in the meantime; would you accept it, anon?
>>153450330>end goalHere's the thing no one in school or church or the like will tell you: there isnt one. There isnt an "end" to life, it just keeps going ad infinitum. If there was an actual end goal to the unending chain of DNA stretching back billions of years, dont you think it would've happened by now?>sweet Star Was universe Gotta be 18 to post on here, buckaroo. Come back in a few years, we'll still be here
>>153450267Stop, stop, just stop. The Nibirun existed just fine for millions of years, they only decided to kill themselves when the WALKING TALKING EMOTIONAL VORTEX that had been POISONED WITH DESPAIR got near them. If you didn't understand that the Meteia pushed several peaceable worlds over the edge because she was already laden with despair after landing on Ostrakon Hena, you didn't understand Ultima Thule at all.
>>153450391Shit, I hate when this happens
You can’t convince me that you’re an actual hedonist when you’re getting earnestly tilted on 4chan for everyone to see, stop disassociating and play a game you enjoy or something
>>153450384>You have no idea what "eternal bliss" would even entailEnlighten me, then.
>>153450399Hahahaha, nerd
>>153450417It's an imaginary concept you presented, so either you or whoever wrote your video game needs to provide the answer.
>>153450434Anon you're on the cartoons board of a long rotten website, we're all nerds here.
>>153450463>puts forth the stakes for a counter argument then doesn't actually make the argument itselfCoward.
>>153449775never stop gooning
>>153450242There's nothing worse than former hedonists lecturing the rest of the world over their own shame.
>>153450395>Here's the thing no one in school or church or the like will tell you: there isnt one.>hey what's the end goal of life and everything>heh, what? there isn't one, LOSER>huh? oh okay, I guess I'll make my own then. endless pleasure sounds nice>NOOOOOO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT, YOUR LIFE HAS TO BE AIMLESS LIKE MINE!!!>>153450414>stop disassociating and play a game you enjoy or somethingI am, I'm playing Destiny 1 right now. Don't want to pay Microslop for game pass atm, so just speeding across the Cosmodrome listening to the awesome music and looking at the skyboxesIt's very... pleasurable
>>153450242SF caused a lot of people on this board to tell on themselves in general. It's hilarious.
>>153450414I'm amused by these antics, not angered. The fool thinks the universe has meaning, it's hilarious.
>>153450498cite something besides fiction for your argument regarding the real world. You do have real world experience don't you? You're not just someone who spends all day on the internet right?
>>153450399I'm not here to listen for lore, I just want to kill bad guys
>>1534504144chan is the indulgence, pleasure is derived via the inferiority mechanism
>>153450521>hey what's the end goal of life and everything>heh, what? there isn't one, LOSERAnd at any point in my post, did I ever once tell you that? Simple acknowledgement of a fact of life does make it better or worse. It simply is. You seem to be focused on the need to be "better" than everything, why is that?
>>153449619While robots like Wall-e and Eve are treated like metal people, that is literally what robots do. An AI wouldn't care that the blubbering piles of meat with stumps can barely be called human anymore, they'd just follow their programming that states they need to keep them alive and tend to their leisure.
>>153450237>>153450215>>153450125Why does it care if it is destroyed? Why does it care to exist and go through the turmoil of life if it all meaningless? Why get out of bed and eat? Why not just shit yourself in bed and wait for the end? Why not just spare oneself the trouble and just not exist?This argument that everything is meaningless is bogus, it's just the person trying to act on an extreme version of stoicism. In reality people always seek something, if it is 'meaningless'. They seek the gaps of light on the canopy, they hope and fight, as they should.
>>153449659>health>procreation>survivalWheat is an extremely successful species by this metric. Not a very creative or interesting one, but a very successful one that's not going extinct any time soon.
>>153449761Or, you know, you could break your addiction to your screen.>why?So you can see and experience things without your screen, you said yourself its preventing you from doing things like exercise.
>>153450907>hurr why not kill yourself>why should I kill myself>durr why would you care if you're killedyou're just going in circles with a nihilist strawman because you find it easier to pick apart than address what "better" means in the initial argument, and you still haven't
>>153450939If addiction were easy to break, it wouldn't addiction, chief.
>>153449609The excessive search for dopamine in our daily lives is a problem in our modern world and its not discussed enough. You end up doing things like watching Reels for hours without noticing, fapping not because you want to but to satisfy that craving or boredom, or checking your 'For You' tab on Twitter. That is why you lately can not be bored without feeling tired or sleepy, you unknowingly created a certain dependence on that dopamine rush
>>153450267>>153449335The situation on the Axiom was more an issue with being overseen by an AI than one of meaningless pleasure. In many ways the reason they all ended up the way they were was most likely just the AI solving what it saw as a problem:>Journey no longer has an end date>Ship can only offer limited forms of recreation and has no tools for greater enrichment>Therefore all passengers need to be given maximum satisfaction so they have no needs or wants that will require such meassuresThe hedonism was actually fine, the ship was self sustaining and didn't appear to be polluting space or siphoning resources to exist. And the passengers did have forms of sorrow and disappointment so they weren't like The Nibirun. The critical flaw in the Axiom was it couldn't allow anyone to stride beyond the mold. They couldn't allow too much independence or else people would start to find wants and desires the ship couldn't handle, find problems the AI couldn't solve. They were all a little restless after 700 years so the cracks in how long the axiom could keep this limited hedonism going were showing. And the hedonism wasn't stopping them from being themselves when they did ignore the AI's attempts at guiding them back towards what it wanted them to focus on.In theory the Axiom could have worked fine indefinitely with a more creative director to supply variety and allowing the individuals to find their own path or even leave if they choose. Having an AI with limited options and programed to keep them all contained in it's protection was the only true design flaw.
The bottom line is that most well adjusted people seek a wide spectrum of experiences, and some people would say "balls to that" and would rather sit in a room pressing a pleasure button over and over. Is the hedonist happy? Maybe. But I can't imagine that's a very fulfilling or exciting life. At that point you're just cattle.
>>153450907>Why does it care if it is destroyed?It doesn't.>Why does it care to exist and go through the turmoil of life if it all meaningless?It doesn't.>Why get out of bed and eat?Food is tasty, positive feedback. Hunger is unpleasant, negative feedback.>Why not just shit yourself in bed and wait for the end?Unpleasant smell and uncomfortable sliminess, negative feedback.Oh, look at that. The reasons we do things relate to pleasure. Who'd've thought.
>>153450990That blows but if you put the work in to break your addiction you'll be a lot happier in the long run.
>>153450999It's talked about relentlessly, actually. Fags like you love doomposting and circlejerking about twitter and masturbation (ironically) to anyone who can listen, willingly or otherwise.
>>153450990Not with that kind of attitude, son
>>153450978Calm down, it is just common rhetoric, not a strawman. I am posing questions that may emerge from that extreme view. You on the other hand are resorting to strawmanism yourself, by attempting to demean what I said, like a child.Again, living and finding purpose in life has its own meaning, or better yet, you can create your own meaning from it. I find it better than just spouting that everything is without a purpose or meaning, as if that brought any solution whatsoever.>but giving a 'solution' is meaninglessmaybe to you, but humans seek those things, and they ever will.
>>153451019>some people would say "balls to that" and would rather sit in a room pressing a pleasure button over and over. What’s funny is that in the modern era you can literally see severely mentally ill people do this via constantly generating AI images all day
>>153451044Yes, but pleasure only has meaning because it contrasts with the lack of it. Who'd've thought.
>>153451163>What’s funny is that in the modern era you can literally see severely mentally ill people do this via constantly generating AI images all dayIndeed, and what a downward slope it is for those people. I had a hearty chuckle at someone bragging about making gay furry lewds with an AI chatbot only for it to get paywalled a few days later.
>>153450521>>153451098You're free to live your life in any way you see fit, anon. Just like we all have the freedom to call you a weak cowardly faggot for how you live it. Its a gives and takes, this life of ours....
>>153451177No, pleasure has a subjective meaning because it stimulates the part of my substantive experience. It has nothing to do with a comparison. I do not like the negative thing so I do something to avoid the negative thing. There is no sacred contrast to venerate, here.
>>153449097You source is a dateline, not like some photo album of the captain enjoying life.It is very much possible that 50+ of those years was braindead lifesupport since the Autopilot was really running everything and every captain has been an empty figurehead for centuries.
>>153451226Far be it from me to deny someone practicing their new religion, but like the jehovahs witnesses knocking on doors you'll get told to fuck off when people aren't interested in what you're selling
>>153451177Indeed. If all of life is pleasure, none of it is. Your brain will gradually adapt to the dopamine and require more and more for that contrast of more pleasure versus the normal pleasure.
>>153451163dang this one hit closer to home than I'm willing to admit.
>>153451263Oh shut the fuck up, that is not any inherent magical process, that's a matter of biology that can be repaired with sufficient understanding of the human brain.
>>153451235But when happiness is all you know, are you actually, truly happy? Or are you happy simply for the sake of it? And god forbid some actual despair that you cant avoid comes your way
>>153451280>are you happy simply for the sake of itThis is not a coherent sentence. For the sake of what?
>>153451275Nigga we've barely figured out what part of the brain does what, you seriously think Matrix style alterations to the mind is right around the corner? Grow the fuck up already, Jesus....
>>153451275It really can't, your brain will gradually adjust any sustained pleasure to be your new normal and require more and more. That's why people move to harder drugs, weirder porn, etc. etc.You would have to constantly rewire your brain to prevent this pleasure loop from happening, and that likely won't be very... pleasant.
>>153450242Tourist here from /a/, I'm surprised this board has these kind of recurring discussions. /a/ sure has the Misaki (welcome to the NHK) threads about NEETdom which sometimes discuss similar things but from what I've scantily seen /co/ in particular has hedonist and anti-hedonist squabbles like this one.Why is this the case? Is there anything about western cartoons which brings this up more than eastern ones?
>>153451280>But when happiness is all you know, are you actually, truly happy?Yes. Why wouldn't you be? Why do you worship pain so much? Not everything is duality. Even if dynamism is what you crave, you can still have happier and less happy moments without ever having an unhappy moment.
There's always that one guy in threads like this who has to attach random pictures to all his posts so you know he's the one making them. Signatures are against the rules you know.
>>153449097I do not care about "improving" myself in a hostile world.
>>153451323Even if they invented something like that it would only belong to billionares without restriction. You'd be slaving away for Bezos Bucks to put in for a few minutes of pleasure time before it's back to the wagie cage.And that tech is still decades off, if not centuries.
>>153451323Nobody said a single word about "right around the corner" and I'm not going to entertain you eviscerating strawmen. I'm talking about fundamental principles, not about reasons to do things today or tomorrow.
>>153451340Moralfag infeststion from tumblr/twitter that has an inherent aversion to otaku culture. Normafaggots, in a word.
I have never seen a skinny person who is pro-hedonism.
>>153451340/co/ has a lot more low-functioning autists who want to be surrounded with infinite consumable goodies and pastel colors
>>153451339Anon. That your dopamine receptors can be damaged is a problem with the dopamine receptors and nothing more. It is not an inherent principle of the universe.
>>153451339>harder drugsAh yes, it took a while but you finally went there. No, scrolling your phone or jerking off is not comparable to snorting meth and never will be. They're not even in the same ballpark.
>>153451294realization I guess, it no the same to be happy just because you saw a funny joke than being happy for having achieved a goal or completed a very difficult task.
>>153451386Well got one now lard ass.
>>153451386I have, they just smoke cigarettes.
>>153451340We’re insecure because everyone says comics and cartoons are indulgences for babies, but we’re not babies so our hobbies must be meaningful work.
>>153449280high-end capitalismprevention is cheaper, capitalism wants you fat, and spending money on medical attention you wouln't need if you had a healthy weight.same goes for the whole tranny shit, trannies accepting themselves as they were born is the right thing and the best choice for them, but the hormonal treatment and surgeries is the option capitalism gives, as it gives the industry more PROFIT, MONEY.capitalism doesn't give a shit about human life or dignityget fat, cut your dick off, pay for your insulin/HRT, that's what the the elite of the capitalism wants you to do.
>>153450802>And at any point in my post, did I ever once tell you that?I literally quoted you saying it. Disingenuous faggot.>>153450913Are you trying to say wheat isn't based? Wheat's fucking awesome. What are you, gluten intolerant? Pussy Fun fact: Most humans are both gluten and lactose intolerant, our gut biomes just become accustomed to consuming them. If you go for a while without wheat or dairy, you'll get fucked up after starting to eat them again>>153451010Only moderately intelligent take in this entire thread.>>153451226That's fair
They were fat largely because micro gravity completely fucked their body's muscle:fat ratio. Considering their diets were managed by the servitor robots on the ship they likely ate very nutritious meals. They just didn't get much exercise nor did they need to use their own muscles to even move around their own environment.
>>153451529Quick addendum before someone calls me a retard: most people become gluten and lactose intolerant in ADULTHOOD. your body stops needing those specific nutrients and tells you to eat better
>>153451411Contentment with your position in life is not happiness. When you achieve that difficult goal you immediately replace it with a new one to get that next brain reward. It's just as much pleasure seeking as anything else, only you subjectively assign it more valuable than something you consider a lower quality pursuit, along with either reinforcement from society thinking the same or in spite of it.
>>153450395>dissing Star Wars when George Lucas gave us the answer to everything in this thread years agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnHyStDZ3_U
>>153451403>same ballparkIt absolutely is, no matter what doom scrolling fags tell themselves. Its not nearly as destructive, I'll grant you, but it's the same chemical mechanisms at play. You're still wearing down your nerves, just way, way slower than someone doing meth or heroin has. It's the same finish line you're all reaching for and never get to, you're just driving there at school zone speeds
>>153451342Acknowledgement of life's struggles is not "worshipping" said struggles. It's just a fact, sooner or later the world's gonna kick you square in the nuts. Having the ability to withstand that is something any rational human being needs to be able to do, and simply drowning your sorrows in happy brain juice only gets you so far. Eventually, you WILL have to accept that sorrow is an inescapable aspect of the human condition. If you dont like the sound of that, well, too bad.
https://youtu.be/vDKGjE9xPZo?si=i7gJwfrhJKG8EAdU
>>153451745It is not the same at all. No psychological stimulus comes anywhere close to the power hard drugs have. You all really wish otherwise because it gives your new religion more punch but all it does is demonstrate your own ignorance of both how easy it is to get over these mundane "addictions" and how crippling real addictions are.
eating junk food all day is bad for you btw
>>153450149Yes, it's a little known fact that it's actually a free to use alternative of the original , copyrighted, Edisonism lifestyle
>>153449339>>153449114>>153451974>>153451745Does anyone believe this was intentional and not a fuckup oversight?
>>153451960But what if it’s 100% healthy, fresh, organic food?
>>153451960I'm 23 eat junk food all day and I'm fine, and I'll definitely continue to be fine well into my 30's and 40's thank you very much
>>153450267But if it was a paradise they could get bored of isn't it, by definition, a flawed paradise?I think we look at this from the wrong lens. Everyone thinks of it being achieved and we as we are right now being dropped into a utopian society after a lifetime of being educated and reinforced on every level of our life that this simply should not be. A normal human being if any era would succumb to madness in one shape or another in such a world but the actual inhabitants of this world would not have the conditioning we ourselves have. They would be alien in a way we cannot relate to for better or for worse. An interesting examination of this, recognizable humans being thrust into an eternal life and youth, would be the story 17776 which I recommend anyone to read if they want some food for thought.
>>153451879>pelting a system that's barely evolved past "Surving the Open Savannahs of Africa" stage with a ceaseless onslaught of artifical chemicals, hormones and audiovisual stimuli it was never, ever meant to handle to begin with>"psychological"Anon.....
>itt anons who watched the Squim episode of Smiling Friends and unironically thought he was in the rightWhy do I keep coming here....
>>153452052Famous last words
>>153452197That's not what we're saying and you know that
>>153452087>still signing his postsWhat artificial chemicals are being produced by your twitter feed?
>>153451828I make it easier for myself by accepting sorrow as the default and that I'm undeserving of happiness.
>>153449097most likely it's like in that movie Passengers, they go into cryogenic sleep and wake up after a certain period. I guess in WALL-E they do the same, go intro cryo then wake up to send probes for some years to look for a planet and if they don't find one just go back into cryo and try again, that's why they have such long lifespan, but most of it it's nothing but sleeping
>>153449609That's like saying you must experience starvation, dehydration, sleep deprivation and illness otherwise being well-fed, hydrated, well-rested and healthy is meaningless
>>153452220What are you saying, then? Cause honestly I'm not seeing it
>>153452301Why would he be a fat blob if he spends most of his life frozen?
>>153452263There is no "default". You just are, everything that comes after is incidental.>>153452321Well using that logic, how does one actually define being well fed, hydrated and rested? Are they not entirely dependent on thier opposites to come to be? Y'all are basically saying the sun should be up and shining every hour of the day when that's simply not how the universe works.
I don't really see the connection between the first and second halves of wall-e honestly. One's an environmental message and the other is over-dependence of technology. They aren't inherently that connected.
>>153452404>[*looks around at literally anything mankind has accomplished over the last few millenia*]You're either trolling or an idiot. Either way, never breed.
>>153452342because it has been a loooooooooooong time, and every time they wake up they have nothing to do but sit around enjoying a very hedonist life while the robots do everything, then that same lifestyle just gets passed to the next generation and the next and the next until they reached peak blob in a rat utopia
>>153452404You could be generous and say that since the people on the ship had no direction they got fat, lazy and completely unproductive. So the message is to actually do something; which is linked to environmentalism in the sense that most people just genuinely don't give a shit unless something affects them directly in a particularly quantifiable manner and won't advocate for environmental policy even if it means heinous humanity-threatening consequences because they just don't have any drive to do so, on account of not having the imagination to understand them.But mostly it's just not really important to the movie to link those themes. It's just about hey look at these cute robots kiss.
>>153452433Are you going to say anything of substance in this thread or just keep dumping pictures from your twitter folder with white girl gotchas attached?
>>153452301>They all live in apartment like rooms>Sleep in their chairs>Live normal lives (as normal as they can get in a ship)>Active breeding for adults and education systems for children (good god ai don't get them mixed up)>Captain has DAILY announcements>"Gee maybe they spend all their time in cryo"
>>153452454But that has nothing to do with cryo sleep at all. We're already great at keeping fat people alive when they shouldn't be with today's medicine, It's not outrageous to think this future could do much more.
>>153452395>Are they not entirely dependent on thier opposites to come to be?No. Being satiated, quenched, rested and healthy are objective states because they can be observed/measured. At most, those negative states help as a contrast, but they're not needed.
>>153452395>There is no "default". You just are, everything that comes after is incidental.I know you know what I mean, you fucking pseud.
>>153452532>Active breeding for adults and education systems for children (good god ai don't get them mixed up)How do I get on a ship where the ai DOES get them mixed up?
>>153452395>ya'llgo back to twitter, wigger
>>153452797An AI probably would reach a conclusion that optimizing reproduction would mean women getting pregnant as early and often as possible. Hopefully the techbros have an out to save face if/when it does.
>>153452854but at some point the AI will think that it has enough humans to evade overpopulation
