>will never create a runaway indie success that brings people together and creates joy across the globeWhat if I just killed myself right now? Like what if I shot myself in the face with a 12 gauge? Also how do you get industry connections? (related)
>>153455539What joy? Every time I hear about this shit on /co/ it’s someone whining about how it’s le heckin’ tumblr loreshit or that Goose can’t write.>inb4 /co/ Isn’t one person>inb4 normalfags on the internet like it
>>153455539Gooseworx literally worked their ass off for YEARS before striking gold with TADC. I remember being a huge fan of their animations before they got big
>>153455539switch your dream to making stuff you love, not receiving rewards for it, and you’ll be rewarded with stuff you made that you love
>>153455586I do make stuff I love. I just wish it could bring joy to others besides myself.
>>153455641let that joy be the 5 anons who like your stuff, faggot
>>153455568This. People seem to forget that Goose was the one who made that Thalasin video everyone loved forever ago too. It's not like they just appeared and made Pomni and the rest was history.
>>153455539The indie social media scene is far more about luck than pure effort.>>153457262Just tell him that he'll most likely stay obscure forever. The whole "the joy is in what you have now" is a gay platitude. The reality is that if you didn't start prior to 2015, you're fucked. The landscape has changed and there's a good chance you don't have another decade if this war shit keeps up. Our government is ran by evil "people" who want to build a third temple is jizzrael so the world can end.The Internet is oversaturated so unless you know someone, you aren't getting more views
>>153457487>Just tell him that he'll most likely stay obscure forever. That's exactly what I said.>The whole "the joy is in what you have now" is a gay platitude.It's about being realistic. Most people with artistic inclinations across history failed to get much attention, those few famous ones are the exception and most of them only got lucky.You should expect to get joy from creation for it's own sake, expecting recognition is expecting frustration.
>>153457571NTA but art for arts sake is a memeI'm glad I was able to make a living from it. Imagine wasting away animating for free. It's a skill that takes a long fucking time to develop and I refuse to do it for nothing.Hobbyfags are always coping. You would all sell out the second you were presented the opportunity
>>153455539>comparing yourself to an established teamIt took GLITCH years and years to get the level to where they are at now. They started out small, and worked their way up. Of course, some luck and connections are involved, but for the most part, they still had a lot of work to get this big.tl;dr Just have fun and like what you do without worrying to "make it"
>>153457609Shut the fuck up, bastardCan't wait for AI to replace you all
>>153457609I’ve had multiple big opportunities that required sacrificing my principles and I gave them up.If they don’t require sacrificing your principles it doesn’t count as selling out.
>tadc>indieif you had 100 employees and millions in grants you could make a global phenomenon too.
>>153457835Then why do so few companies manage it?
>>153455561just chronically online moralfags complaining about everything and trying to cancel everyone assosciated with the show. they're pretty prevalent in the fandom. ignore them.
>>153455539The person who created The Amazing Digital Circus is a humanbean just like you, anon. The mistake you're making, however, is focusing on "making a hit" when you should instead focus on making a cool new thing YOU personally would want to see out in the world. That passion should be the priority; not how popular it could be.
>>153459611I wish I were that Caine gun...
>>153457367>that Thalasin video everyone lovedI'm sure the toddlers who love pseudo-spooky faux-retro slop enjoyed it. Probably what inspired him to make the circus thing...
>>153455539It's true that sometimes it comes down to pure luck, but the first step for anyone is to consistently make stuff you love and put it out there for everyone to see. You never know if the right person with connections sees your stuff, thinks is cool and is interested in working with you to expand on it. Just don't go thinking that the first thing you make will be a worldwide success because that wasn't true for Goose nor Glitch.
Negas be trippin
>>153460669My Nega.
>n-no, we're cool! really!>w-we tell safe-edgy "nigger" jokes after the voice actors we admire whip themselves for saying it years ago!>p-please think we're cool...
>>153455539heres some tips I gathered from my youtube alogthirm study>Learn what made TADC sucessfull and watch cartoon pilots that failed>Make sure your piloy has replaybility value (secrets,theorybaiting, music, etc)>read books n watch shows that are considered timeless, and understand the appeal in them>Study what zoomers/alphas like, but don't limit yourself, remember they only like brainrot because there's nothing interesting to watch nowadays>Shill as much as you can, 60% of TADC sucess came from advertizing both from the company n the fans, just dont be too obnoxious>make sure to have a cute girl on it (so i can watch it)picrel’s an indie show made by a 15 yr old And it got around 70M views before they deleted it, its possible
>>153457367analog horror is cringe
>>153460800>I do not like this painting, Charlie. It's smug aura mocks me
>>153455539>>will never create a runaway indie success that brings people together and creates joy across the globeCorrect, Cooper Goodwin certainly did not.
>>153455539Beg the Australian government for money, alongside some tech company sponsorships.
>>153455568>their
I have not and will not ever watch this slop. The designs are too bizarre and distracting. So don't disconnect from the server it is not the gift to humanity you think it is. In fact, by this time next year you'll only see it on tumblr posts as it fades into memory like mystery skulls and murder drones.
>>153464497>by this time next yearIt'll be forgotten entirely, since the majority (if not entirety) of its fanbase is part of the obedient 75% who now carry a patented genome and could legally be argued to no longer be human.
>>153455539>>153455568>>153457262>>153457367>>153457609Imagine the few people that interact with your art online cheering you on in person, meet likeminded creatives and appreciators of the arts through discord servers for local communities, keep building a portfolio and putting your stuff out there including fan art to get a net of easy attention to your original stuff until you hit gold. Fame is a biproduct of just being yourself while putting yourself out there and getting eyes on you while doing it.
>>153464497>I have not and will not ever watch this slop. You just lost a customer.HOWEVER WILL GOOSE SURVIVE
>>153460800Glitch was like "we apologize for this HORRIFIC act" meanwhile all the fans in line at the booth are smirking at each other and uncomfortably laughing at best and look mildly perturbed at worst. If it was the hard r and wasnt in response to people making a volcano out of an anthill and harassing the cast and crew over a Filthy Frank level joke "horrific" would be actually appropriate then.
>>153464971Nega please
>>153455539>he wants to be popular in this age of grifting social media ragebait and constant fandom controversy 24/7All of the bullshit associated with Digital Circus should've made you steer clear of trying to chase popular appeal, OP. Do you really want your house to be broken into because you triggered some schizophrenic for killing off their comfort character?
>>153465154>Do you really want your house to be broken into because you triggered some schizophrenic for killing off their comfort character?Am I weird if I say yes?
>>153465166Then I think you have some sort of masochistic fetish, you probably are the kind of guy that wants to be stepped on.
>>153464946>Fame is a biproduct of just being yourself while putting yourself out there and getting eyes on you while doing it.It amazes me there are people who still don't get this. Whether it's animation or indie games or music or whatever, the point is still the same: be true to who you are, and you will find fame and success. Trying to force it by being something you're not and making things that don't resonate with you will leave you empty and alone.
>>153464946>>153465698>Fame is a biproduct of just being yourselfThey said, in a thread about one of the most cynically-produced creations of the current decade.
>>153465758"I got bored of 'this is bad because it's popular' so I invented 'this is disingenuous because it's popular'"
>>153465758But you have to admit it sounds romantic if you ignore all the obvious examples in contradiction
>>153465758>one of the most cynically-produced creations of the current decade.Elaborate.
>>153455568>they
>>153465825>>153465920No, right, the YouTube Kids color palette, vague gestures at "lore," and the Five Nights at Freddy's method of alluding to "adult" subjects in a way that next to no parent would object to totally isn't a cynical formula to garner attention from children and functionally-lobotomized adults that's been done for nearly a decade by the time the pilot dropped...
>>153465154>Do you really want your house to be broken into because you triggered some schizophrenic for killing off their comfort character?At this point I'm seriously hoping for a bleak "everybody dies" ending. Fandoms don't deserve shit, they don't want stories, just friend simulators.
>>153466006>At this point I'm seriously hoping for a bleak "everybody dies" endingDon't worry, you'll get that for about 75% of the population.
>>153455539>What if I just killed myself right now?Don't start making something to be popular. Make something that you want to see get made. Neither Goose nor Glitch anticipated that TADC was going to hit this hard and had they tried to chase that they would have ended up making something very different that, in all likelihood, wouldn't have ended up being nearly as successful. >Also how do you get industry connections?1) You have to *consistently* put out work. This doesn't have to be full scale animations, but creative work in general that exemplifies where you are at right now. Yes, you probably wish you were better and have ideas of what you eventually want to end up making, but it will be too late if you wait until you get to that point to start trying to make a name for yourself. Start putting things out on social media and then keep making things and putting it out. It can be animated gifs, character designs, sketches, warmups, life drawings, short stories...whatever is related to what you eventually want to do is what you should put out. 2) You need to start connecting with other creators. People tend to try to follow huge name creators and like/comment on their stuff on social media, but those people are so flooded with activity every day that their social media profiles don't even tell them every time someone likes or comments on something anymore. A lot of it gets lost in the shuffle even if they were trying to keep up on everything. Connect with people who are smaller. The goal is not to make friends with whales, but to make friends with people who are on a similar level so you can all come up together. (continued)
>>153455568>>153457367I liked his music and his animations, kinda wish he got back to them, but now that he's a bigshot it'll hardly happen.
>>153466122So just keep doing what I'm doing? Put stuff out and make what I like?
>>153465960So you're upset that Goose, who got popular doing analog horror/vague loredrop horror with Thalasin and Little Runmo, made a cartoon that was completely in line with the stuff they obviously like?Whether you like it or not is irrelevant, the point is that for better or worse these are things Goose likes and are true to who they are. There are plenty of creators who find success making cringe shit, because it's what they like. If TADC was made by committee and designed from the ground up to appeal to its current audience, it would not have had the impact it did. It's the difference between "I really like this!" vs. "I bet they really like this!".
>>153465166wdyd if the schizo turns out to look like this?
>>153466122>>153455539(cont)3) Actually go to IRL events. Social media is a powerful tool, but meeting people in real life is always going to be better. This is one of the reasons why actually living somewhere where there's a scene is important (despite what inexperienced anons tend to think). You need to go to screenings, parties, networking events, gallery openings, union meetings, conventions, conferences, etc. Essentially, figure out where people who do this sort of thing go, and then put yourself in that room. Don't approach it as a moment to try to get something out of people. That almost never happens and when you push too hard you turn people off quite a bit. Just show up and keep showing up and have friendly chats with people. You want them to eventually recognize that they remember your face and maybe a few things you spoke about at one point. This takes time and repetition. 4) You can mention what it is that you do, but don't try to sell yourself too hard. If people want to know more, they'll ask questions, but you'll usually endear yourself more to people by just being cool. Talk about films or shows. Ask them questions about what THEY'RE doing. Be supportive. Be the person who makes connections...if you think they'd benefit from meeting a friend of yours, be the person who makes that introduction. And this seems counterintuitive, but if there's a gig you think they'd be a good fit for, give them a heads up even if you're also going for that same spot. A rising tide lifts all boats and if you're the person who tends to help your community, your community will tend to help you. 5) Finally, understand that, as is the case with any professional field, you are the ambassador of your own brand. It's okay to have spicy opinions about something, but be *very* careful with who you voice those opinions with. There's a huge difference between your actual close friends and colleagues. Don't mix the two up and err on the side of professionalism.
>>153466165read the next post>>153466260Making stuff is the first part of the equation. You need to get boots on the ground and actually meet people IRL.
>>153466251It makes it easier for me to kick their shit in then.>>153466281I see, I see. Got it.
>>153466246>It's the difference between "I really like this!" vs. "I bet they really like this!".Also known as unprofessional vs. professional. When you make cartoons for a living you're supposed to pay attention to your audience, not just make whatever stupid trash you "like". It's so fucking frustrating that animators these days are just allowed to do whatever the fuck they want, instead of holding themselves to professional standards
>>153466165You just need to take bootstrap advice from UMC Americans who went directly from childhood into an industry career, they can more easily imagine your path to success because they know better
>>153466332UMC?Uh, US Marine Corps?
>>153466246>got popular doing analog horror/vague loredrop horror with Thalasin and Little RunmoOh look, more of my point.>made a cartoon that was completely in line with the stuff [he] obviously like[s]No, he saw Local58 and Gemini Home Entertainment get big and wanted some gold from those hills. The latter is just "cute game but scawy" shit that was trite for over a decade when he did it.>If TADC was made by committee and designed from the ground up to appeal to its current audience, it would not have had the impact it didYou know what's born every minute?
>>153466122>The goal is not to make friends with whales, but to make friends with people who are on a similar level so you can all come up together.This in particular is a huge reason why so many Newgrounds animators are finding success now.
>>153466354>no one ever does anything for personal fulfillment, they only ever do things to make moneynice schizo take
>>153466379Same with people who were super active with Channel 101, or people who were classmates, people who did improv comedy together, etc. You make friendly connections with people *before* they're big and then when they get an opportunity, they tend to tap people they know who are talented and they know they will work well with which, in turn, gives those people chances to show their skills and potentially get their own opportunities. Inexperienced anons think of it as N E P O T I S M (even though they actually mean cronyism) but it's just old fashioned networking. People would rather work with friends who they know can do the job than a random-ass stranger who *might* be able to do the job.
>>153466435Cooper himself admitted that the concept was born from compromise; that he kept pitching ideas that would work in 2D when Glitch only had 3D animators, so he shat out some characters that just so happened to match the trends of the last couple of years.
>>153466457>dude socializing is about forming a meritocracy broWho do you think you're foolingIn the 2010s friends groups recreated the production process of shows like Steven Universe with all the soul missing, producing one imitation-failure after another because they were incapable of ever telling a friend what they did sucked shit and audiences hated it. Alienating audiences completely because the friends were detached from their interests.
>>153466603NAMEFAG! POINT AND LAUGH!!! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOL
>>153466633Your inner child burst out, it sounds extra deranged might want to give it some treats and rewatch some nostalgia classics so it sounds human instead.Anyway you're not going to get away with laundering lies on /co/ so go back to wearing your social media muzzle while manufacturing them.
>>153466260>This is one of the reasons why actually living somewhere where there's a scene is importantAnd even if there isnt you can build it by initiating stuff like drink and draws, animation fans are everywhere in varying numbers. Sleepycabin was erected in fuckin Philly by prolific animators who came from swamp towns for god's sake. (how it crashed and burned is irrelevant to this point, they made it happen and we all about it)
>>153466746Creating a local scene if there isn't one already is definitely a good idea, but sleepycabin dudes were also going to events in other cities and states to meet people outside of Philly which was also important. I know people who don't live in cities like LA, NYC, Atlanta, or Vancouver who either work in the industry or are making serious strides towards that goal, but they end up traveling to those places a few times a year so they can put in face time at events and the ENTIRE time they're in those cities, they book their schedule full of coffee/lunch/dinner/drink meetups with people they either already know or want to meet.
>>153466603Hang with people who can take criticism then. Everyone points and laughs at other well known failures' mistakes but never take away the right lessons from them or what they should do to avoid them. My artist friends are always giving each other feedback and talking about why these overdesigned tumblrcore pilots and ideas about how hard it is to be an artist or slices of their oc's lives fail (looking at you Loki IRL and all other pilots made or being made by Pan's friends).Artists need to realize that general audiences never give a shit about effort, drawing appealingly or animating smoothly doesnt even matter anymore if tiktok meme animation and Smiling Friends and internet cartoons that ape it are anything to go by, it's all about being entertaining and relatabe. Not just "I relate to this character/observational comedy situation", relating to having to deal with people that these works' antagonists and challenges that the characters go through remind you of too. That's why "therapy cartoons" like TADC and Steven Universe and recent Disney movies connect with audiences of millennials and zoomers who deal with shit like generational trauma and relationship and attachment issues.
Don't fret too much, Anon. The stars may very well align again and something neat will pop up eventually.
>>153466457nepotism = getting a job you're unqualified for because you're related to someone in powercronyism = getting a job you're unqualified for because your friends with someone in powersuccess through networking = getting a job you're qualified for because you've established a reputation for being friendly, easy to get along with, and reliable on top of your qualified skill set. A good network can be the difference between your portfolio getting buried in submissions or actually getting looked at, but your skills are still what book the gig. A good network connection can also give you an edge if the decision comes down to a handful of candidates and someone who is already on the production can vouch for you. It's not going to get you a job if you're unqualified, but if you have the right skills, a good personal recommendation will give you an edge over some random yahoo.
>>153467042And yeah youre fucked if you aim to just copy what's POPPIN' in the current zeitgeist if your goal is for it to be successful, that's why one hit wonders only have one hit and that's why all those wannabe Steven Universe ideas go nowhere, same with 90s cartoon pilots that went nowhere.>Surely just copying Ren and Stimpy in the most surface level way with shitty dialogue will leave my mark on the industry, right Schnuckems and Meat?
>>153467085You're making it sound as good as you can but what exactly is good about depriving a random yahoo who's capable of jobs through expensive social manipulation?Must fucking suck to realize everyone around you is lying to get ahead and talking about it openly too, no wonder they're all some combination of depressed, drowned in consumption, mentally ill pervert.
>>153467085>>153467208Btw, they wouldn't all be so fucking obsessed with Sailor Moon and FLCL and the other childhood things if they kept being Real, having Real interactions and experiences. Now all their experiences of art is fake and performative and they yearn for when they were Real as kids.
>>153467178Ironically, I'd love to see someone copy R&S NOW! You see so little of its influence anymore.
>>153467178Also, animation takes a long fucking time to make. Trying to cash in on <current trend> is absolutely idiotic. It's the reason why a show based on Among Us or Labubus is the dumbest fucking idea on the planet. By the time a series would be ready to launch, the fad has already been long dead.
>>153468117>Trying to cash in on <current trend> is absolutely idioticNot when that trend is still going strong after the turn of a decade, like the trends Cooper was following when he made his shitty circus thing.
>>153467208>depriving a random yahoo who's capable of jobsIt's not about depriving anyone of anything. It's about picking the best candidate which includes not only portfolio but also an affable personality. If you are incapable or unwilling to make friends, that doesn't bode well for your ability to work on a team. People who are serious about their career will make an effort to make personal connections. And if you're not serious enough to make that effort, then it says a lot about how serious you are. It's part of the skill set.
>>153468160that arguably wasn't even really a trend yet. It was something Goose was personally interested in, but "backrooms" weren't a part of the popular zeitgeist. It was a niche thing in certain internet subcultures. If you frequent those spaces and lack broader perspective, it can seem like it was already a trend. TADC did a lot for bringing that to a broader audience and the A24 "Backrooms" film will do even more. At that point, backrooms will be trendy and then the ride will be over soon after.
Anyone ever noticed that the most popular “indie” cartoons aren’t actually indie at all and get the most merchandise and mainstream attention? I wonder why the most fanfare for Murphy & Mitzi I see is here on this board.
>>153468340>aren’t actually indie at allyou don't know what indie means. You mean "low budget" or "small team". While those are terms that often accompany "indie", one does not inherently infer the other.
>>153468360No I mean how they got funding from large organizations, such as Amazon and the Australian government. That doesn’t sound very independent to me.
>>153467042>general audiences never give a shit about effort, drawing appealingly or animating smoothly doesnt even matter anymore>it's all about being entertaining and relatabeMy animations I make as a joke in a few hours get way more attention than the stuff I actually care about that takes me weeks or months to make. If you really want to make it you need to be funny and stop giving a shit about making good quality (drawing wise) work.
>>153468393>That doesn’t sound very independent to me.That's because that's not what indie means. It doesn't sound independent to you because you don't know what independent media is. Amazon and the Australian government are not receiving shares of Glitch's profits. Amazon paid a licensing fee and in return gains the ability to stream episodes for the term of the contract. The Australian government gave Glitch a grant in their early days. In neither case is either an investor in the company. When the value of the company rises, neither Amazon nor the Aussie govt can expect to get more money back. A company ceases to be independent when it sells shares of it's company. That means you can buy a share of the company itself. As the value of that company grows, so does your share. You "invest" your money expecting to eventually get more money out. Grants are not an investment. A licensing deal is not an investment. Crowdfunders purchasing a poster are not investors.
>>153468338>that arguably wasn't even really a trend yetBull and shit. Like fucking Garten of Banban wasn't made the same year as the pilot...>"backrooms" weren't a part of the popular zeitgeistAnd neither was Iran, but we're not talking that either.
>>153468492Glitch doesn’t have to publicize its funding information, it’s a private company. You do not actually know who has made an investment in them. A company does not have to be publicly traded to have investors or complex funding structures; most are not.
>>153468160Misgendering and deadnaming the tranny in the same visibly forced way you spout memes to fit in on this site isnt gonna transfer her success to you champ
>>153468533Any assumptions without any shred of actual evidence is a conspiracy theory. Your statement is essentially "Glitch is not independent because I don't think they are". That's not a sound argument, nor is it the solid basis for further discussion.
>>153467357Shame Owen Fishback got fucked over by the revival cause he’d be perfect for that
>>153468568>Misgendering and deadnaming the trannyYou mean referring to him properly.>to fit inNo, because it's proper.>isnt [sic] gonna transfer [his] success to youHe can keep it.
>>153468619Considering he already did a fair amount of networking, I think he's got his work cut out for him. I'm almost jealous with how close he is with Bob Jaques.
>>153468619>>153467357It's a shame Jenny Jaffe beat him to the punch and royally fucked the show up. Everything she touches turns to shit.
>>153455539What was it again?
We got prolific animators like Keke and the i cant sleep creator using a dsi as their entire setup and millenials and zoomers still think they have to put their eggs into these grand pilots to make it as an artist
>>153455539>will never create a runaway indie success that brings people together and creates joy across the globe Not with that attitude you won't
>>153457609>long time to developMaybe if you're a retard
>>153465025>"horrific" would be actually appropriate then.No it wouldn't be you faggot nigger
>>153471675> still think they have to put their eggs into these grand pilots to make it as an artistNobody thinks it’s necessary. People make grand pilots because they always wanted to make a grand pilot. Hope this helps
>>153471534What was what again?
>>153455539>that brings people together and creates joy across the globeDid you pay absolutely zero attention to the drama? If so, that's for the best, but just know that not having to deal with modern "fans" is something you should thank God for everyday.Besides, making a global hit is something even the best struggle for. Try to understand that you're in the same boat as 99% of the rest of us and it's really not something to get so depressed over.
>>153455539Making a cartoon sounds miserable this day and age. All I ever hear is goose having a meltdown because the fandom is insufferable.
>>153455539Dont be jealous. everything just lined up perfect for them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Kcg7TCB-8Q
>>153474682Goose had a moment of vulnerability like once. Considering how insufferable TADC fans are, that’s pretty fucking impressive.
>>153476327>birth by chess or benign heh
>>153468593>Your statement is essentially "Glitch is not independent because I don't think they are"No, I’m not the other anon arguing they’re not independent and did not say that. My statement is what it is: you do not know their financial structure. You can at best guess. In other words:>Any assumptions without any shred of actual evidence is a conspiracy theory.The argument that a company is self-funded because they’re not publicly traded is an assumption without evidence. It’s no more or less true than the other guy’s guess.
>>153455539>Also how do you get industry connections? (related)Well judging by Vivziepop, the first step is to have parents that are both hotshot lawyers.The second step is also having massive daddy issues, a total lack of artistic integrity or shame to freely rewrite everything about your characters if it makes VAs happier to voice them, and utter lack of remorse about dumping everyone on your old crew for that sweet sweet Amazon money.
>>153476409This. 99.9% of Goose's behavior since TADC's been out in the world has been japes and ironic posting
