>>153459178

>Identity crisis, the show doesn’t know what it wants to be

It’s a satire of corporate America and politics! But also you should take it desd seriously this is real life bro, but also it’s just a silly gross comedy don’t take it seriously… except when we went it to be serious.

People shit on the Boys comic so much. But at least it knew what it wanted to be. It was a silly over the top satire of comics and their tropes along with corporations.it used extreme gross out and hardcore moments to juxtapose against the traditionally wholesome and heroic idea of superheroes. You got openly ridiculous stuff like all the heroes going off to publicly “fight an alien invasion” as their reasoning for disappearing for two weeks for herogasm in some island resort. It pushed limits because it could. I’m pretty sure the civilians didn’t actually think aliens were invading btw, it’s more like a large PR stunt for people to get involved in

The show is bizarre because it’s trying to be this serious character drama, driven by serious politics, with a veneer of satire as a defence for weak writing. This becomes all the more bizarre when you have the show mocking franchised superhero movies earlier, and now the boys has a spin-off show and is making yet another with soldier boy in a spin-off prequel. That plus the show mocking “fake woke” executives and the idea of wokeness even existing as being nonsense. Then the creator and show runner openly says characters like Maeve only survived to “avoid the “bury your gays” trope. What? He kept her alive solely because she’s bisexual? And A-Train got kept alive and given a whole redemption arc because… he’s black?

>>153459193
Stormfront is a Nazi supremacist but never says a single hard slur? She can kill a black guy on screen but can’t say nigger? Also she’s fine working for a black boss I guess?

As for the gross out stuff. It’s also weird to me, the way the show markets it you’d think it’s the fucking human centipede but it’s nothing. Herogasm was hyped up as some crazy thjng and was a nothing burger.

>>153459206
>incredible lack of consistency in narrative, both for the overall plot and for characters

I only watched to the end of season 3, but the amount of episodes that had “crazy, forever world altering events” happen, along with characters freaking out about them… only for the next episode to act like it was a minor inconvenience and nothing changed as a result. Was crazy to me. Same with individual characters, they seemed to just have repetitive amnesia where they forget major slights or events that happen that would logically cause them to have some anger over something in order to plaster over the cracks and keep the plot moving

>lack of stakes

I can’t believe how long they dragged out th concept that the main boys group are essentially wanted by the government along with the most dangerous man on earth and it’s laughably easy to hide out

How many fucking scenes where “oh my god, homelander looks angry and is doing the IM ACTING face, he’s gonna snap!” And then he doesn’t snap do they do? It was already way too much when I stopped watching.

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>>153459206
Also, just highlights the faux edginess. They’re too afraid to say nigger or mention Jews when it’s a literal Nazi character, instead she’s promoting Pewdiepie and saying immigration is too high! Truly Nazi shit.

>>153459229
>writers being lazy or stupid when it comes to powers

How is Homelander so fast he can save Butcher and a baby from a suicide bomb vest butcher is wearing. But he never uses this in a single fight or to gain an advantage when it’s useful?

Also, homelwnder wws literally right about not being able to carry the plane to safety because he’d just go right through it, the weight of the plane would be focused on him, a single small point. This makes sense

But wouldn’t this also mean him moving so fast to save butcher would break a bunch of butchers bone and turn him into paste, like when A train ran through hughies girlfriend?

>>153459260

>character amnesia

I think the most annoying one for me was Starlight murdering a random civilian to steal his car when he (fairly) refused to just hand over his car to this random 3 person group, one of which was heavily injured. He then pulls out a gun when she insists on him just… handing over his car, and notices butchers reaching for his gun.

In response to this, starlight, the buttetproof superhuman, doesn’t stand in front of Hughie/butcher to just block any shots and disarm him. She instead punches him to death

Butcher, whose entire character is hating supes for abusing their power and thinking of non supes as lessers they can do whatever they want with, for some reason approved of starlight murdering this guy, even as she tells him she feels zero remorse over it.

When starlight later tries to get Hughie to separate from butcher completely. She tells Hughie that butcher is a murderer to justify why her should stay away from him. Even though she is also a murderer. For some reason butcher, who wants Hughes to seperate from starlight, never just tells him starlight murdered a random innocent man. The show itself forget thus happened as far as I can tell.

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>>153459266
Same with Kumiko’s arc. Goes from “I am not a weapon” to “LOL she’s murdering these innocent security guards violently while listening to music, so epic”. Why? Also why are we meant to side against the innocent guards who were just protecting chemical weapons from potential terrorists? Why did Kumiko who can’t be killed and has super strength, not just incapacitate the guards instead of painfully killing the while smiling and enjoying it?

>attempted morality lessons in writing come across as schizophrenic

Primarily the whole “compound V is like an evil steroid” vibe they went for.

Hughie wants compound V because Homelander, the most powerful man on earth, hates him and his girlfriend who he loves, and V gives him one of the only possible ways to protect himself and her from him.

Thsts… toxic masculinity or something. That’s selfish Hughie. Just be passive and let your woman fight alone and hope you don’t die, that’s the moral thing to do. It’s wrong to want power to protect your loved ones.

Oh? kimiko wants that V to get her powers back to protect her loved one? That’s completely different because… it’s about love? And protection? Different from that make ego drive if Hughie.

>general sloppiness

Starlight drops a major exposure against homeowner one episode. Has no impact whatsoever despite the acting like it’s a world altering event.

Starlight is fired and banned from Vought. Days later Can still use her card to get in. Walks unopposed straight to Vought lab to take compound V lol

Writers say they didn’t give the boys powers like the comics because they wanted to make them do creative solutions instead

These creative solutions end up always being

>just let the superpowered women (Kimiko, Starlight, sometimes Maeve) right for you instead

How is this more creative

>blackmail

Good God this became repetitive.

>finally, the Boys and Butcher get given superpowers anyway

What was even the point.

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The show spinning off into Gen V and now Vought Rising is hilarious to me. Like how Apple plus keeps making shows about how the big corporations are evil

Especially since the show runners keep making characters they want people to hate, yet those characters are the only ones people consistently care about

>homelander
>now soldier boy

I wonder why? Probably a mix of the “good” characters being automatically treated like they have the right views eben when they act retarded and fuck people over. And more sympathetic reasons to like the villains as characters. I have zero sympathy or interest in Hughie or Starlight. Butcher is a caricature and always was. The other guys crew feel like cardboard cutouts.

Doesn’t help when they often fail to show and do a lot more telling. I remember people being confused when they found out soldier boy was supposedly a racist. Because they had him do zero racist stuff in the show.

Haven’t seen Gen V and don’t really plan to, lemme know if you liked it. Vought rjsinf feels like an odd choice for a spin-off.

thanks for the blogpost but i didnt read a single letter or digit of this inane and benign rambling
reddit or x might like it though?

>>153459178
It's really hard to separate politics from its issues when 90% of its problems are the writing sacrificing everything to seethe about current year slop

Live action remakes are inherently bad and show that its creators would happily rape anything while shedding any integroitu they have on the name of the all mighty dollar. Or their just retarded like their audiences who cannot comptehend just what could be wrong about having new slop to watch.

>>153459581
This is true, but if I get into how politics warps the writing because it has to bend around writers personal beliefs then people get dragged into just talking about politics rather than the shitty writing

>>153459554
You care more than most if you replied.

>>153459690
>You care more than most if you replied.
okay? i still didnt read the post.

>>153459702
You had to read to reply to this. You’re so tsundere anon

>>153459178
You can’t set them aside because they’re baked into the show. This is literally Kripke crying about Trump.

>>153460264
Yeah we all know that but we can’t talk about it so talk about something else

>>153459178
>Identity crisis, the show doesn’t know what it wants to be

Yeah, the show writer came out and said "if I'd known Trump was going to win I would've leaned harder into my TDS."

>>153460364
No. That’s what this season is about. You can’t separate them from each other.

>>153459178
A lot of text about something you gave up on so many years ago. You know you still watch it and love it.

>>153459328
Gen V honestly sucks, it’s tries to appeal to the zoomer audience, by playing the pronoun game and fails very hard at it. It’s also overall pointless, you can skip the entire thing and you won’t miss anything. Everything “important” in that show is carried over and over explained to death in the boys.

They want homelander to be a goofy wimpy pathetic sniveling etc etc, but also still want the audience to think he’s intimidating at the same time

I love soldier boy but it could just be the actor doing a darn good job

>>153461883
I mildly enjoyed the first season, but holy shit the second one was bad.
first off, the whole season is basically a 100 million dollar eulogy for a noob actor that wasnt even that important. Like okay, its sad the dude died, but rewritting a whole season of a major action show to have all the character break down and cry every 10 minutes about much they miss him is ridiculous
They double down on the girlpower by treating the only actual interesting male character like shit and cucking him out of his love interest
The romance and trans drama between Marie and the oriental is the most forced shit ever, like something I would expect to find on some 15 year olds watt pad fic
The sister sage subplot was random and of out of place too. I actually feel like it couldve worked if they had them a team, but she really didnt contribute anything. Gideon died too fast someone whos basically been planning their comeback for like 60 years

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>>153459178
How much worse will the Beneath the Trees Where Nobody Sees adaption will be compared to the original graphic novel? Both the boys and invincible adaptions are worse than the source material writing wise. Or does being far less political than both the boys and invincible gives Beneath the Trees Where Nobody Sees a chance of being good? Both the boys and Invincible worse writing is arguably caused by being political.

>>153462789
Honesty I can picture an animated Beneath the Trees Where Nobody Sees animated series falling a part if they made Samantha jones a lesbian or made Nigel an incel.

>>153459178
I'll bring politics in this. Its TDS: The Show. Its written for brain dead niggers who have no personality outside hating Orange Man and having MSNBC on in the background.

>>153459206
>Stormfront is a Nazi supremacist but never says a single hard slur?
Stuff like this is why Soldier Boy was liked so much it gave the writers TDS. They spent the whole season telling us he's a bigot but were too chickenshit to actually write such things. The worst he does is roll his eyes when he some faggots on the street and go on minding his own business.

>>153462814
Anyone with a brain hates orange man

>>153462789
It really depends on how much integrity the author has...which hes kinda already proven hes a sellout. The story is very apolitcal, but it would be very easy for feminist writers to take Sam and make her a victim lashing out against a patriarchal society instead of just being a genuinely evil character

>>153462883
Here we go.

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>>153459206
>Stuff like this is why Soldier Boy was liked so much it gave the writers TDS. They spent the whole season telling us he's a bigot but were too chickenshit to actually write such things.
>Stormfront is a Nazi supremacist but never says a single hard slur? She can kill a black guy on screen but can’t say nigger? Also she’s fine working for a black boss I guess?
Which show started this trend? I first noticed it in HBO watchmen. The white Supremacists not saying slur looked like it was gonna be a plot point at one point. Same thing happened in peacemaker season 1 and 2.

>>153462934
If we count movies. It could be the IT remake from 2017. It unclear if the bullies were racist or the movie reboot traded racism for homophobia.

>>153459178
I think the boys is funny as you can tell theirs at least 1 or 2 good writers who are stuck with a bunch of hacks. As when the show really hyper focuses it can really make you feel for or love some of these characters. Then every other scene is a guy having a second asshole for bdsm sex because muh spidrmun. It's literally the most disjointed show ever. I think when they focus on the villains instead of the boys the show is so much better. Literally at this point I hate all of the "boys" but maybe butcher

Then the villains really shine so much better, because they just get to have more genuine human moments to show their decline. I feel they leave the villains to the good writers because they shit ones want the fun of making their zanny sex romp super hero parody.

>Homelander in the lab he was born in
>A train's almost whole arc
>Firecracker new ep
These are some shocking peak character moments that feel like they shouldn't even be in the same show, some poor writer is trying their best and getting fucked out of making a actual interesting super hero parody. So we can get ashley "punishing a sin hole"

>>153459178
Any webm requests?

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>>153464760
bump

>>153459178
Eric Kripke was the showrunner of Supernatural where monsters were literally just humans with colored contact lenses even a dragon at one point.

Kripke has this weird autistic obsession with 5 Seasons despite the fact if The Boys ended at 3 it wouldn't have been dragged for the filler slog that was Season 4 and even now less than 3 episodes from the end of the final Season fuck all has really happened.

Butcher's arc COMPLETELY regressed from Season 4 when he gave in to his darkest impulses and being CancerVenom.

Kimiko became a worse character than Frenchie and Starlight combined with her Vizviepop dialogue "It's funny because she has a porn addiction!" Yeah, maybe to degenerate pedowood alumni like Kripke and Seth Rogen but it's as tired as "gross thing happens" and "over the top gruesomely violent deaths"

Even the normies who watch this shit are largely desensitized now and they can't keep using "those dang dirty MAGAchud trolls" to deflect criticism now that the flaws are undeniable with how Kripke blatantly doesn't give a shit and is just wasting time with non-sequiturs until this bullshit (finally) ends next month.

At least the comic had a coherent plot and knew when to fucking end.

>>153462966
The bullies were homophobic in the novel, to be fair.

>>153462541
He’s the only reason I’m watching this show.