My robot brain needs beer.
How did Warren Ellis make a character so much more popular than the combined efforts of Jack Kirby, Steve Ditko, Marv Wolfman and Tom DeFalco who are vary from legendary to pretty well-known?
>>153463473Meme magic.
>>153463473Because during the 2000s Marvel was trying to cater to the Gen Xers/Millennials that would eventually become redditors so they latched on to Ellis' version of Machine Man
IT'S LIKE SHAKESPEARE
>>153463473Because Ellis' portrayal of the characters appearing in Nextwave were most people's first experience with the charactersIt worked for some like Elsa Bloodstone, but Boom-Boom was outright damaged by it
>>153468102the Guardians of the Galaxy before the Guardians of the Galaxy
>>153463434Nextwave is so unfunny.
>>153463473I still prefer the Kirby/Ditko version. Frankly the same stands for most of the big two pantheons. Nothing but the golden and silver ages matters to me. A few bronze and dark age titles entertain me well enough, but I will always prefer the golden and silver age of creators and creations to all that came afterwards. Why anything beyond 1938 to 1970 ever got popular is beyond me.
Is Machine Man the most underrated Marvel hero?>>153470984It's premise would have worked better for a Brand Echh or Inferior Five revival than anything else. It's so contemptuous of it's source material.
>>153471228Well, it IS written by Warren Ellis.The Ruins guy.
>>153471286I always forget he had a hand in Ruins. That book always left a strange impact on me. By all metrics I should hate it, but I'm more annoyed by it's pointlessness than anything else. Everytime I revisit it, the work leaves me with the impression that it had a deeper and more poignant narrative in mind, but then it just sort of abandons that and obviously we never got to see what the conclusion was. It's another gore for the sake of turn of the millenium comic.
>>153470984>Nextwave is so unfunny.This I really don't get the appeal
>>153471190Retard
>>153470984It kind of works if you see it as a half-assed shitpost. Otherwise agreed.It’s very much a product of its time (not in a good way) and also has merits on that front. Otherwise, it’s just… not fun.
>>153471344>t.tasteless faggotI bet you're only here because of marvel movies you fucking pleb
>>153471317Yeah, it hardly amounts to much more than misery porn. There’s maybe some hint of interesting themes and/or plots in the first few pages, but then Jean Grey shows up as a prostitute and the whole thing kind of just devolves from there.
I remember when Nextwave came out and this whole board was tonguing Ellis' asshole over it.
>>153463434Mmm... Beer...
>>153473760This board does that to every other fucker, even if they're shit.
So what was the point of making the nextwave machine man an imposter if they aren't gonna do anything with the OG one? And speaking of pointless what the fuck with the hinted nextwave sequel in that spiderman side comic? >>153466323BUT WITH LOT'S MORE OF PUNCHING>>153470984Shitty taste in everything
>>153471228Was Kirby's Machine Man originally supposed to be outside of Marvel continuity, like Eternals was?
>>153473414>There’s maybe some hint of interesting themes and/or plots in the first few pages, but then Jean Grey shows up as a prostituteWhat little actual story there was seemed to involve an evil Professor X being the President and behind behind some of what was going on, but then that scene happened, she's just a whore for no reason, Fury just kills her for no reason, and you realize there is no plot, Ellis is just being a edgelord for the sake of being an edgelord, he's taking Marvel's money to vomit his disdain for Marvel onto the page and they actually published it.Nextwave is just Ellis mocking Marvel and superhero comics instead of hating them like he did in Ruins, but for characters that had been out of the spotlight for a long, long time like Machine Man and Monica, or for relatively new characters who hadn't got much previous material, like Elsa, his takes on them tended to stick. Boom Boom was the one character who'd been in an ongoing title for years relatively recent to Nextwave, and a title that usually sold well, so Ellis portraying her as a retarded person was something more people noticed as wrong in a way they didn't notice with the other characters.
>>153466283gen x dropped marvel after digital color & glossy pages
>>153476350I'd assume so, considering it started in a 2001 Space Odyssey adaptation
>>153473760Mostly because this entire fucking website has become a bunch of jaded, miserable old fuckers who think enjoying things is for fags. Like yeah Nextwave has some bits that are corny or trying too hard to be what the kids used to call lolsorandumb but it's still got bits that make me laugh and it was never meant to be SPR SRS anyway
>>153476297>So what was the point of making the nextwave machine man an imposter if they aren't gonna do anything with the OG one?Stern did it in his Marvel Comics #1001 page because he had written the original version and didn't like the Nextwave version because of how different the character was, so he just retconned him to be an imposterThe original one just recently appeared in the Red Hulk comic>And speaking of pointless what the fuck with the hinted nextwave sequel in that spiderman side comic?It was one of the planned stories had the comic not been canceled
>>153476350Yes, Marvel heroes were just fictional in those comics He also wrote that Machine Man carries the anti-life equation
>>153476428I really do think something more meaningful could have come from it in the right hands. At this point it doesnt matter. Kirkman managed to do something similar with Marvel Zombies and deliver that substance Ruins lacked. It's ancient history now.
>>153476725Another book that's been unfairly looked over for whatever reason.
>>153470984Yeah, I often wonder how many "fans" of it have read it recently.
>>15347745480's Kirby being so tired of corporate bullshit and just firing on all cylinders regardless of where and when he'd used similar concepts prior is and continues to be one of his coolest decisions. I'm frankly surprised more creatives dont try that.
>>153477415Yeah, fuck that noise. I only care about the Nextwave versions of all those characters. Original Machine Man is especially lame and gay. But than again, so is nuMarvel.
>>153477454Nice art.
>>153479234Well, it’s Kirby.
>>153476516The Gen X kids of the early 90s dropped it. The Gen X adults who worshipped Marvel Knights and Warren Ellis and Mark Millar and Brian Michael Bendis came on board instead.
>>153476751Some bits? More like the entire book is trying too hard with some bits that are funny
>>153480890Fin Fang Foom really set the tone
