>>153464138
That sounds like a question you're supposed to answer not some else.

>>153464138
Of course it is.
Everyone tries to claim they'd rather keep art as a hobby but the reality is that they had no choice in the matter. Only the lucky are able to. Admitting this shows vulnerability so nobody will ever say it out loud.
Hobbyfags never make anything worthwhile. It's always sketches and boxes. I rarely see finished work from them, let alone an actual project like a comic or animated short

>>153464138
Corporate art is dogshit but so is hobby art, since one is bogged down by industry cucks and the other is bogged down by retards who only seek to fufill their own desires. Both fail to understand what an "audience" is so both miss the mark entirely. Your "subtle political commentary" made by people stuck in 2012 Reddit and funded by the industry is just as bad as your weird fetish-fuelled incoherent nostalgiabait garbage that you refuse to accept criticism on.

>>153464195
True
This is why I sacrificed my quality of life to pursue animation at home. I cut my work hours down to 20 a week and rent a small room.

Well of course, else you end up frustrated and dropping it altogether. There is however a freeing feeling that even if you suck shit at it you can take it easy because it's not your actual source of income and don't need to enter the rat race

Not cope if you look at it logically.
“Making Art Full Time”, at least in an animation industry sense, means spending gruelingly long hours working on The Nut Job 5 with unpaid overtime in the most expensive city in the country, and then not having the time or energy to work on your own ideas.
Having a day job and making art afterwards can actually give you much more time to make projects you actually give a shit about, and you can live pretty much anywhere more affordable and less fake.
The industry is a scam. It promises artists a 0.001% chance to pitch their dream idea and get it made, and the process of dealing with higher-ups means your idea will be watered down and changed to its blandest form, completely unrecognizable from what you wanted.
When you work a day job and make things independently, there are more limits to what you can accomplish without Hollywood money, but at least you get to do it your way and can guarantee the thing you want to make can actually exist in some form. If you can make a comic or cartoon with a realistic scope, it’s much more fulfilling than being one of these Hollywood people who only have pitches and NDAs and nothing to show for it.

Making art is romantic. Period.

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>>153464138
I can't even find a day job

>>153464138
>Is it cope?
It's not when you realize that vast majority of art jobs is making what someone else wants and hobby art at least gurantees your own ideas get made.

>>153464138
It's not cope, but it's harder and harder to do once you have a family and have to spend more time to maintain your body.
The passion is still there but the time needed to express it shrinks.

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>>153464138
I just feel like if I'm not making a living from my art, it's inherently worth less than the art that does

Making art is gay. Period

>>153464138
Sometimes, yeah. But I think it’s mostly a sign of a failed society if your people don’t have a concept anymore of creativity being a basic human thing that can be part of everyone’s life.

Yes.
Most people who say this almost never produce anything more than a few drawings or middling quality.
Those that do break out drop their dayjob as soon as possible to make more art.

>>153464409
Stfu, burger faggot

>>153464138
The guy selling his art is compromising his vision for money. Saying the guy doing it afterwork and making exactly what he wants isn't an artist is way bigger cooe

You’ll notice that the best art ever made had extremely little or no corporate higher-ups breathing down the necks of the creators, or higher-ups that believed in an artist’s vision and took a risk.

We currently live in an era where this literally does not happen in Hollywood anymore, which is why we have a billion new movies and shows that are completely unwatchable. This is why something as corny as Digital Circus is as popular as it is: because the passion of the indie creators actually shows. It’s also the reason why AI will never replace jack shit: audiences only care when it’s clear that the creators care.

>>153464496
Really only true of certain types of people aspiring to certain types of careers in /co/mmercial art, not even all commercial art.

>>153464138
It is a cope. I have like a gazillion projects in my head and because of my day job I'm completing a full project about monthly at best. At this right the new world order I envision will never come to pass, it's not romantic at all it's hell!

>>153464586
You severely overestimate the standards of normal people.

>>153464308
>“Making Art Full Time”, at least in an animation industry sense, means spending gruelingly long hours working on The Nut Job 5 with unpaid overtime in the most expensive city in the country, and then not having the time or energy to work on your own ideas.
Holy shit this, 95% of the time you're doing grunt work for a shitty writer on a project you have no emotional connection towards. Concept artists have it better but ultimately it's all compromise

>>153464341
>It's not when you realize that vast majority of art jobs is making what someone else wants
It's worse than that.
The majority of them is making what nobody wants.

Yep

>>153464138
whoever drew this slop wouldn't know anyway.

>>153464138
OK, but I would have a lot more time and energy for art, if I didn't have it to reserve my time and energy for my day job.

>>153468416
Same

Otoh, Ed Piskor is disgraced and dead and I'm still here.

>>153464195
>Everyone tries to claim they'd rather keep art as a hobby but the reality is that they had no choice in the matter
>Hobbyfags never make anything worthwhile.
I'm on the other side of this. I work professionally as an artist and spend 100% of my time on work for rent and bills. Schedules are grueling and I'm constantly on the edge of burnout. I'm getting to the age now where I legitimately worry about pulling constant all-nighters because a heart attack is not out of the question. I have tons of ideas for personal projects I'd love to work on, but never get any time to actually work on it. Any free time I do have I spend sleeping, trying to get some exercise in, or doing literally anything other than art to give my mind a break.

When people ask what I do for a living, it can feel kind of cool to be able to say I work in TV, but I don't feel like the stuff I make for work represents me as an artist at all. I'm a cog in the machine that gets assignments and turns them in.

I have friends who have dayjobs and work on creative stuff in their spare time. Oddly enough, they often end up doing stuff that is much more impressive. They can get solo gallery shows or work on really cool projects that get all sorts of accolades even if they don't pay that well. They also have more money to invest in supplies/gear, they have vacation time, a pension, sick days, insurance...

I'm thankful that I get to do something a lot of people also wish they could do for a living, but the grass is always greener on the other side. Whether it's animation, art, performance, music, theater...I think the stuff that has the most artistic merit and is the most culturally significant is made by hobbyists because at the end of the day, it doesn't matter if it sells.

>>153464308
you said what I said, but better.

>>153464138
No

Because human society itself is a cope

Who the flying fuck cares what you do or dont do, we're all gonna die, yiur accomplishments won't matter to the massive universe 500 years from now

Do what you want, who cares what npc human flesh bags think

>>153464138
Doesn't matter if you have no other choice

>>153464138
Socrates was a stone mason who smashed rocks in the hot sun all day before clocking out to argue with teenagers. That was 2000 years ago and since before even then it has been deemed totally appropriate for artists to STARVE for their craft.

For the last 15 years its never been easier to be a professional artist and art has never been worse. So fuck it. And fuck them.

>>153464382
Most people don't buy art. They buy wall decorations. If you're a painter and you want to make a living off of it, you either do commercial shit like painting signs, or you paint vapid bullshit that people think would look nice in their kitchen. They don't want to be challenged, they want an image of boats by a dock, a flowery still life, or a picturesque landscape.
You can make a living making that shit, but if someone found out I was an artist and wanted to see my work, I'd be fucking embarrassed to show them that crap.

>>153469726
Socrates was not an artist, he was a philosopher. Modern day philosophy is cope for being broke and disenfranchised with the system.

>>153469749
This is just shitty cope from a faggot who can't break rocks nor win arguments with teenagers.

>>153469727
I'm already embarassed to show them a mountain of porn pics I drew.
>Oh yes! This one perfectly encapsulates my fetish, see the emotion in her eyes and 2 dicks rail her ass. A magnum opi of mine.

>>153464751
>because of my day job I'm completing a full project about monthly at best
I work creatively full time. I also have a gazillion projects in my head, but because of the shit I need to do for rent the last project I completed was like 3 years ago.

Working in a creative industry full time does not mean that you get to work on YOUR creative projects full time. It means you lend your skills to any project that could make use of them and has a budget. Even on the rare occasion that you actually enjoy the project you're working on, it's still not *your* project.