What's the point of going through the struggle of learning to master all the four elements if the avatar can just unlock the Avatar state as a default and mow down everything that opposes it? It was better left alone as something that activated on auto without the Avatar being able to control at all in my opinion.
>>153465889The Avatar’s job is stewarding balance between man and nature, not mowing down opponents
>>153465921When it was revealed that the avatar state could be controlled at will it became a deus ex machina and lost it's relationship with natural balance.
>>153466020A carpenter uses both power tools and hand tools as his work is more than just hammering nails.
>>153465889Gaining wisdom and understanding, and making the avatar state even more powerful in the future by adding another expert avatar to its arsenal.
>>153466096You're contradicting yourself by saying that you are pro balance (if whe account that balance is the natural state of the world independent of human actions) and that the avatar as being an arbiter of said balance being able to wield the power of the avatar state at will works as a tool to impose his decisions upon the natural order thus creating a contradiction, the AS is now a subject of the Avatar's determination and just makes his training and growth as an individual in the role of the arbiter of balance meaningless, the AS was better left alone as a force of nature that appeared only when the avatar's life was in the most danger and peril and not some weapon that the avatar could just use whenever it felt like it to me.
>>153465889The avatar are the peace keepers of the world. They must travel and learn from the 4 nations to gain enlightenment.
>>153465889>"Why would you want to work hard, learn skills, and improve yourself if you could just press a button and succeed?"This says more about you than it does about ATLA, desu. Sasuga.
>>153465889That's why they introduced the risk of ending the line if you die in the avatar state.
>>153466422No, you just don’t have a clue what I’m talking about. Not everything the Avatar has to deal with is a fucking battle lol.
The avatar state probably shouldn't exist at all.It's a cheap gimmick.
>>153466470But that's exactly what Aang did. He just pressed the Avatar State button again and Ozai was curbstomped>>153467041That's very fucking empty when Ozai doesn't even come close to beating him in the Avatar State. It's just empty words
>>153467075>Not everything the Avatar has to deal with is a fucking battle lol>Solves every plotpoint in the series in a battleHmm...
>>153467114>>153467103>>153466422Avatarfags will never accept their masterpiece isn't perfectly written
>>153466454>>153465921Yeah
>>153467103Did you miss the end of season 2?
>>153467158Azula got a lucky shot in, simple as that.
>>153467136It's not perfect, particularly the finale, but this is a stupid point to harp on
>>153467114>What's the point of going through the struggle of learning to master all the four elements>The Avatar’s job is stewarding balance between man and nature, not mowing down opponentsYou asked, you got an answer. It’s an action show, but you will be excited to learn there is also dialogue if you listen while watching.
>>153467158the one where Aang curbstomps everyone effortlessly, Azula can only get a cheapshot in from behind when he isn't looking, then he learns nothing from this and just uses it again in S3 and wins because noone ever poses a threat to him ever again?Nice "stakes" lmao
>>153467174Yes, so it's not unstoppable.
>>153467200But he doesn't steward balance, all he does is mow down his Fire Kingdom opponents. The entire final season is just about Aang literally leading an army to beat up the Fire Kingdom royalty, and the season before that are him doing the same but in different places
>>153467216It is after that. See Season 3, without a onetime cheap shot there's zero risk and zero stakes
>>153465889Because the avatar state isn't omnipotent and has the high risk of breaking the avatar cycle.
>>153467188it's not. Your entire "plot" revolves around a shallow dragonball powerlevelz powerup, not any learning Aang does.
>>153467246Too bafd there's no risk of that in the series since noone can beat it. Ozai was running scared the whole finale
>>153467230The fire kingdom is literally genocidal, stewarding balance looks like defeating the fire nation because of that but you should know that it won't always its just the pressing issue. But he does spirit balance stuff and there is the implication of all his efforts after the 100 year war too.
>wtf why can't you just 1v1 the strongest entity in the setting? OP HAX!!
Funnily enough Aang in the Avatar State isn't even awake when Azula shoots him.He's just beginning to turn into it and hasn't even opened his eyes yet, Azula can only shoot him from behind BEFORE he even starts using it. After he starts using it there's noone who can harm him or even fight back against him since he can lightningbend too
>>153467306aka, they invented an easy strawman badguy to pin every problem on beating up and that's all they ever do every season.Thanks for admitting the plot is weak, and it's really only about mowing down badguys in actuality, not about what "balance" is.
>>153467312if your strongest entity in the setting is just your boring protagonist doing a boring supersaiyan thing with no buildup and no training, it's fucking boring.
>>153467262Stfu
>>153467230The job of the Avatar is balance. That’s why Aang’s job in the plot of Avatar: The Last Airbender is restoring balance to a world at war. One of the tools he uses to accomplish this is fighting the war, because he’s in a world at war. After the war, he’s still the Avatar. In a world at peace, his work changed, because there were other ways to achieve balance. The TV show is about the war time because that is an entertaining story for an action cartoon. Aang’s job is clearly stated in basically every single episode so I know you’re just trying to be friendly and give me the opportunity to ramble about basic worldbuilding concepts that Nickelodeon’s 8 year old audience readily grasped. Thank you.
>>153467359Grow up, consoomer.
>>153467274He goes up against threats that he couldn't beat on his own with just the avatar state. Like the fire Nation fleet that attacked the water tribe, no one suggested that Aang just use the avatar state to defeat them because it's obvious to everyone that it won't be enough by itself.You discredit Azula's "lucky shot" but if thats all it takes to lose in the avatar state is poor luck then it really isn't unstoppable. You're just not accepting it.
>>153465889Wasn't it that most of the time Aang used the Avatar State it was because he was in high stress situationsI think it's practical to know how to Master the four elements without having to exert yourself and go Super Sayian in every fight. Dealing with Lv3 bandits shouldn't require going Beast Mode
>>153467369>>153467370Fuck off, faggot
>>153467369The TV show is about fighting a onesided strawman war against comically evil badguys, because the plot is actually about mowing down badguys, not about post-war balance.I know you're too dumb to think for yourself about the show, but you can't excuse a show's poor writing by saying "well actually the fighting's not important" then make excuses why fighting is 101% of the story.
>>153467375Tell that to the mood tempered and patient Avatar Korra
>>153467274Azula shot him
>>153467385Being a crying corporate bootlicker is very faggy, anon
>>153467406Calm down. Focus. >What's the point of going through the struggle of learning to master all the four elements The Avatar is a diplomat bridging the elements and nations. He needs the knowledge of all of them to make balanced decisions. >if the avatar can just unlock the Avatar state as a default and mow down everything that opposes it?The Avatar’s job is not just to beat up armies. It is also, for example, to help people, or talk to them, as Aang often does.
>>153467330Strawman? What is strawman about a genocidal nation. Invented? Yes it's a story you have to invent the whole thing actually.If the point of your show is some kind of message about war being something that disrupts balance in the world, having every season show how thats happening is focused writing. Its only three seasons anon it really doesn't drag on.
>>153467372The Avatar State is beating it on his own, if he can just activate it whenever with zero effort. It makes the finale fucking lame.You're just not accepting the clear fact, like >>153467316 points out, Azula couldn't even beat Avatar State Aang in a real fight, she had to get him BEFORE he even started using it.If noone is allowed to beat or even harm this Mary Sue in a fight when he starts using it, then it is unstoppable and there are no stakes. Ozai proved this. It's bad writing.
>>153467417Stop projecting and accept that you are a retard
>>153467414See >>153467316Azula had to shoot him in his sleep, once he was awake Ozai's lightning did nothing
>>153467433The Avatar's job in the show is to beat up armies, and he never does any diplomacy bringing the nations together. Not one episode does he do this. That's your fanfiction.If the show SAYS it's about X, but it never does X, it only does Y, then it's about Y. Only someone braindead who can't think for themselves but just parrots what they're told says the show is about X when it never ever does any X.
>>153467442>iphone poster filenameLmaoNoone's a retard but the butthurt manbaby crying because other people say something mildly bad about his baby goyslop.Boohoo cry me a river, little faggot
>>153467406>comically evilThey're just fire nazis anon.You keep using the word strawman but I really don't even think you know what it means, who are they constructing a caricature of to attack?
>>153467484>Noone's a retard but the butthurt manbaby crying because other people say something mildly bad about his baby goyslop.Boohoo cry me a river, little faggotThat’s you so stop projecting, tranny
>>153467444Anon it’s a three act show. He only needs to get shot once at the turn to establish the AS can be stopped and underscore the spiritual storyline, so the possibility of failure exists until it returns against Ozai. That’s good writing, you just like arguing.
>>153467489A caricature of Imperial Japan, so that they don't need to write about Aang uniting the kingdoms.He's just a generic superhero fighting the generic badguys.
>>153467501Ok, and so in the third act did his Avatar State have any difficulty in the fight against Ozai as it "established"?No?Then it's bad writing, you're just a manchild.
>>153467466Calm down. Focus.>What's the point of going through the struggle of learning to master all the four elementsThe show gave you an answer for this. The answer the show gave is that the Avatar’s job is restoring balance, and it demonstrated that answer across 60 episodic plots. That you only saw or cared about powerscaling is a you problem.
>>153467499Too mad to even greentext correctly KEKsomeone mildly criticised avatar the last goyslop, waaahhh waaahhh waaaaahhhh little bitch
>>153467529Anon, it’s a three act show. He only needs to get shot once to introduce the possibility. The possibility then collapses when it’s no longer needed. That’s how stories for children work.
>>153467437You've got no proof of >>153467316 the avatar state had never had a warm up period or easing into it in any other instance. We can draw a conclusion that uses less assumptions by saying Aang was distracted or overconfident than trying to invent rules about how the avatar state works.You've already decided the scene means nothing so its just a choice to be unconvincable.
>>153467532Think. For yourself.If the show says it's about balance, not fighting, but the show does 0 episodes about balance and 100 episodes about fighting, then it only "demonstrated" fighting.That you only can repeat what it claimed to be about but never actually did is a you problem.
>>153465889In ATLA, control of the Avatar state represents coming to terms with and mastering yourself. It's basically a sign that the Avatar has completed their character arc. You learn the four elements because by mastering the opposing philosophies associated with each bending style, the Avatar achieves personal balance and self-actualizes.Korra gives out mastery of the Avatar state way too early and thus fucks the entire thing up, but what else is new?
>>153467188Is it though? The avatar state is pretty crap
>>153467566Calm down. Focus.>What's the point of going through the struggle of learning to master all the four elementsYou asked this question. I’m willing to entertain it because the cartoon tells us directly. >If this is an action cartoon, why doesn’t Aang just use his endgame maximum powerup to win every battle from the start?Not this one. I’m not entertaining it, because it’s stupid.
>>153467566He doesn't fight hei bai to solve the issue
>>153467555A three-act show implies that the 2nd act factors into the 3rd act.If the 3rd act immediately shows that once his eyes are open and he sees Ozai there, Ozai can't do a single thing to him in the fight, then it hasn't set up anything. It discredits everything from the 2nd act by showing he no longer has a weakness, because lightning doesn't work on him if his eyes are open and he's fighting Ozai. So there is no more possibility, Ozai can't do anything now his eyes are open, and Aang is an unstoppable mary sue who doesn't need to try at all, his journey was pointless and he didn't even need it.That's how acts and establishment work, but Avatar throws that away for babyish powerlevels, something you're too dumb and attached to accept.
>>153467603>You've already decided the scene means nothing so its just a choice to be unconvincable.(sic)
>>153467542Kys, faggot
>>153467618>babyslop showIt’s not about your life, faggot
>>153467616If Ozai's lightning doesn't do anything to Avatar State Aang when he's aware and trying, then it means nothing. He has no weakness anymore and no way of losing.Face the facts you pussy, it's objectively bad writing and you just dodged it.
>>153467618Calm down. Focus.
>>153467603I think Azula and Ozai together would beat Avatar state Aang at the end of s3, if either of them can get a lucky hit in the fight would be over.
>>153467631yeah it's about a bland baby-cartoon mary sue who goes super saiyan and beats the badguys with le superpowa he doesn't even need to learn, lmao
>>153467617Grow up, crying manbaby
>>153467647Stfu, faggot
>>153467616It does mean nothing. Aang refuses to shoot Ozai with lightning because he's a pussy bitch, and then nearly gets himself killed. He only gets saved by the avatar state which nearly kills ozai. Then he pusses out again and and would have died if a secret OP technique hadn't been dropped in his lap by a giant magic turtleNone of the training he did in the show had anything to do with his victory
>>153467657Get some taste, adult baby
>>153467640Azula couldn't even get a "lucky hit" while he was awake. He was asleep when she had to shoot him, Ozai couldn't even try and scratch him when he was awake, they didn't even let him land 1 hit while they fought
>>153467656Tell that to yourself.>>153467667You should, faggot
>>153467618>People with super low iq tend to think repeating a phrase makes it more poignant.>think for yourself>think for yourself >think for yourself
The real Mary Sue is Toph, but nobody wants to admit it.
>>153467687But if they got lucky it would work, Aang's gotta blink right.
>>153467697Don’t be too hard on him he’s just sensitive about headcanons.
>>153467586Self realization doesn't have to mean that you can actually become a walking nuke that one shots every threat that denies every move of the enemy at once, much less something that can be wielded at convenience either rendering all the hard training for the mastery of the elements meaningless.
Call me crazy, but if your whole weakness is contingent on you losing in a fight, then they should make it that you're capable of losing in a fight.It's super cheap that the only person who has ever been allowed by the writers to touch Aang had to shoot him in his sleep. And Ozai doing the exact same thing to him while awake did nothing. What times is he at risk then, if he accidentally falls asleep in his fight with Ozai?
>>153467711Azula did more than get lucky, Aang was asleep with his eyes closed.She needs to hope Aang takes a nap mid-fight because he can deflect their lightning and do his own.
>>153467687The correct answer is "didnt" get a lucky hit in, different from can't. You see anon you have to imagine things that might happen not just the things happening in front of you.Your difficulty with this idea might be why you call writing an antagonist "inventing a bad guy"
>>153467708Toph lost so many times. Avatar State Aang isn't even allowed to take a hit in fights.
>>153467728Killing someone in their sleep is a pretty viable strategy too yeah.But all I saw was Azula take the initiative when she saw an opportunity, could happen in a million different ways.
>>153467737She gets more contrivances and favoritism than even the main character that it's nauseating.
>>153467730No, the correct answer is can't.Ozai fired lightning at Aang while awake. Did nothing, because Aang can just deflect it. Azula needed to shoot him while he was asleep. Eyes open and aware, he can't get a hit in.Your difficulty with this idea is that you can't objectively assess the acts as shown by the show, because you're a nostalgic manbaby who never grew up to be objective.
The craziest shit about this is the self importance. People so sure of their own tastes that they feel they must go educate people who deem to think something they do/n't like is good. (Or bad)Cuhrazy
>>153467751Couldn't happen in a fight, since the Avatar State deflects lightning. Ozai had to onesidedly run like a bitch because he had no way of fighting back
>>153465889The Avatar state is far too overpowered. All the nerfs they can come up with it are:>it is uncontrollable when angry>permadeathIt does seems kinda trivial that Aang spends the whole series learning the elements, so he can just fight in Avatar state.It's also kinda funny how overpowered it is in relation.So Zuko's dad is the strongest Fire Bender and is boosted by Souzen's comet and stil doesn't even come close of beating Avatar state.
My weakness is being shot in my sleep too.Yes i'm bulletproof while awake, why is that relevant?
>>153467774Yeah Ozai didn't get lucky in that fight at all. Could've gone differently if Aang hadn't trained like he did though.
>>153467815Aang doesn't need to train, the Avatar State does 100% of the work for him. Aang contributed nothing.
>>153467815No it would've gone the same. Avatar State, gg. Aang wins everything because he's the Silver Spoon Avatar and everybody else isn't.
>>153467831Are you hard?
>>153467840Stop thinking about dicks you hysterical faggot
>>153467096Yeah it only got in the way of the world.
>>153467839>>153467831I think if Azula was there to fight with Ozai it would've gone differently, they'd just need to get lucky or wear Aang out somehow beforehand. Like when Azula first chased the Gaang
>>153467846You’re the one wanking
>>153467858that's only if he's asleep. They don't "get lucky" if he's awake and lightning bending too
Man its really crazy how some people like OP will pretend to have some really dogshit opinion they won't give up for anything just to get attention.
>>153467867They might though, thats what getting lucky means
Avatar State Aang vs Ozai is like Superman vs Batman if Superman is only weak to Kryptonite when he's ambushed with it in bed.Fat lot of good that does in the middle of a fight
>>153467876>"It's dogshit because it criticises my baby goyslop"what a sad way to live life.
>>153465889Because if you die in the Avatar State, you die in real life.
>>153467885Ozai was only running away and never even hit him back so I doubt it.
>>153467920Thats pretty clear by now an~on
>>153467901That’s you
I guess Aang could've just flown to the Fire Nation in Avatar State from Episode 2 and killed Ozai immediately, since clearly Ozai can't fight it. Dumb powerup for smoothbrains
>>153467114This is why Korra failed to maintain balance. She couldn't punch her way out of the political issues she faced.
>>153467901Yeah see like that, it's crazy. I don't really get what kind of human would waste his time pretending to be retarded, unless it's an AI posting this shit.
The Avatar being important because they're the one who can bend all four elements is dumb.
>>153467876The board needs engagement and this is the only bait genre left I guess
>>153468047No
>>153468066It's one of the fundaments of the story, the avatar being a figure of judgement that exists as a force of nature among the natural order that has to keep balance among the four elements and their nations, but the series drops this plot by making the avatar state wieldable like a weapon subject of the will and bias of the Avatar's character, either the Avatar state shouldn't exsist at all or the Avatar as a whole since the natural order of the universe is balance because why go such lenghts of hardship and endeavours in learning to master the four elements and to grow as a figure that understands the way of the world, the natural order and the nature of man, what balance truly means just to push a button and do that in 2 seconds?
>>153468739>It's one of the fundaments of the Is it tho?>the avatar being a figure of judgement that exists as a force of nature among the natural order that has to keep balance among the four elements and their nationsObvious loophole is obvious in that you just need to git gid enough to kill this one guy and then you get to wage a century long war.>the series drops this plot by making the avatar state wieldable like a weapon subject of the will and bias of the Avatar's characterWell that is what it objectively seems to be.>why go such lenghts of hardship and endeavours in learning to master the four elements and to grow as a figure that understands the way of the world, the natural order and the nature of man,I'd argue that learning how to bend the 4 elements does not guarantee you grow as a person which is my main problem with the avatar as presented in the show.
You have to learn the element before you can access it in Avatar state, don't you?I don't recall AS Aang firebending before training with Zuko.
>>153468903Retard
>>153468934The first time he goes avatar state he waterbends even though he had never done it before.
>>153468047No, because he couldn't control the Avatar state.He'd just get killed before he could get it to trigger.
>>153469315what would happen if he couldn't control the avatar state?like what would he actually do? Die?
>>153467708Eh they showed her pretty helpless in the finale, so that saves her
>>153465889Gay sons are less annoying than power-scaling ones.
>>153465889The Avatar state is an emergency measure, it's not a "fix everything lolzors" button.
why did they take down the official website?are they just uping security or something?or are they gonna announce new projects?
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>>153465889Its a super saiyan/Gohan rage form. Remember they are just throwing popular animals tropes into a chinese martial arts inspired world. Oft times lifting entire characters.Like Azula being a total 1:1 copy of Asuka from EVA. Even has sloppily added mommy issues and goes crazy and gets beaten up moment for more "parallels"Even though it made less then no sense frim everything we've seen of the character up to the final few eps.
>>153465889The goal is to gain enough proficiency so you don't NEED the Avatar state. You die in that state, Avatar history is lost. It's a HUGE risk. I think things get fucky if you even get INJURED enough while in Avatar state, I don't remember.
>>153472089Explain Korra killing the avatar state anyway.
>>153469315he turned on the avatar state by accident in episode 2, is the point.He could literally have ended the series there, no effort no education needed just like at the end.
>>153472089but he DID NEED the Avatar state, and it had zero risk because Ozai was not allowed by the writers to do jack shit against it and just ran scared.
>>153465889It's a force/power that is not always conscious about; even the first episode of the second book trates on this somewhat. Therefore, mastery of the other elements provides means of defense in the absence of that power and also grants knowledge and experience that are added to the Avatar state...
>>153472108I don't even fucking know. Somewhere in season 2, a lot of established lore suddenly went out the fucking window. And through the wall next to that window. I think they actually forgot what they were doing.
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>>153467103Nobody in avatar has super-durability, a lucky hit is all it takes
>>153467867A. Aang can't lightning bend, just redirectB. Azula could just snipe him while he's redirecting Ozai's strike
>>153472953Kyoshi in the Avatar State tanked like 7 lightning strikes with just her hands then just curbstomped and humiliated the greatest Lightning Bender of all time effortlessly. Avatar State basically just gives you invincible plotarmor, other than the rock, air and fire shields that already block it.
>>153467114Given that ATLA was set during a war and was all about life during the war, there was going to be very few opportunities to address conflict peacefully. I want to say Korra did it better, but it was Korra and still an action show. At least Korra established that the world was united in building Republic City because of Aang's negotiations.
>>153473173I think it'd be more neat if being the avatar just meant you were the best bender from that nation.
>>153468047This is what that earth guy wanted to do in the Book 2 first episode.
>>153465889Isn't it the combined power and wisdom of all previous avatars? If you don't properly contribute the other avatars will bully you for eternity.
>>153465889They addressed this in the show
>>153465889>ATLA has even dumber powerscaling than the most nonsensical anime how embarrassing
>>153472750Because it has no set internal logic. Its actually a very stupid premise amd only gets dumber as it goes. None of it works if you think about it longer then 4 seconds.
