LOL What?
>have the most popular disabled fictional character>not put him in your disability book
Is Silhouette even used now?
>>153466561I think he is currently walking again
>>153466528Is Kingsley disabled?
So, Misty is there because she has a bionic arm, but not Bucky, Cable, or Forge?
>>153466528Using Hob Goblin to market disable and gays. There's a joke here, I just know it!
Doesn't Flash still have no legs when he's not using the symbiote?
>>153466528>disability pride>not a single disabled personDaredevil barely counts. His powers erase his disability.Fuck Marvel.
>>153466528>No Shroud>No Madame Web Julia Carpenter>no Wiz Kid (dyslexic and wheelchair)>no Jubilee (dyslexic)
>>153466626Outside of Echo and Hawkeye, they have different disabilities. You should drop Clint since he is only partially deaf and bounces in and out of it.
>>153466681This
>>153466583I don't know how they thought turning him from iconic guy in wheelchair to a walking guy who dresses like The Maker was a good idea.
>>153466737Wasn't Hawkeye being deaf a short storyline from the 80s that was never brought up again until Fraction brought it back to score social justice credit?
>>153466528Disability pride? Daredevil is proud that he can't see? Silhouette is proud that she can't walk?
>>153466851He used his hearing aid as a quasi-superpower multiple times, and he was originally back to full hearing after Heroes Return.
>>153466528It's still wild that Echo in the comics deaf but her powers allow her to compensate similar to Daredevil and she can talk and everything. But that wasn't enough for Marvel Studios, so they made her deaf, mute (using ASL), and an amputee.
>>153466528They don't care is all signal virtue and brownie points, the forced comic.At least DC made an effort with their prologue to the tranny couple issue on JLI this week
>>153466528Of course they changed Silhouette's costume so you can barely tell she's a girl anymore.
>>153466983Wonder what they would do with a paraplegic Blasian mutant if adapted.
>>153466561He's been able to walk for a long time nowHe did have a role in the Infinity Comic last year where he was at the Capitol Crawl
>>153466528I guess being a woman makes you disabled in a man's world.
>>153466604Only if being ambiguously gay is a disability.
>>153466604He's kinda gay, yeah
>>153466721Forgetting the GOAT
>>153467168
>>153466783Get the Status Quo Bat.
At least Moon Knight isn't there. I hate how he went from being Marvel's Batman with multiple aliases he knew full well were fake to being a gimmick DID character and the Egyptian magic stuff is real.
>>153466583>>153466608>>153467095He is bald though. Baldness is a disability.
>>153467259Comic books are not good at depicting mental things in general. Best to avoid referencing that instead of something straightforward like "cannot see" or "legs don't move".
>>153467095Yes. But X-Men comics have been dogshit for like 25 years and none of that should hold precedence. I got into comics as a kid in the late 2000s and I knew what was then going on wasn't great (though still not nearly as bad as it would get in the 2010s) and back issues where where it's at.
>>153467131>>153467148Seriously though, i always get the feeling that nigga fucks men sometimes. Twunks and Trannies at least.
>>153466895Daredevil constantly chooses being blind over being cured. It literally happens every time he meets someone with God like powers.
>>153467609Only if it means he loses his powers.
>>153466528this is honestly fine lot of characters to do an anthology with since they are all street level
>>153468168Marvel Voices is dumb BS where they pick a minority group and hire writers from said group to write a comic about characters from that group like they're Make-a-Wish kids.
>>153468410Marvel's minority rules are fucked up. Greg Pak went from writing one of the most acclaimed Hulk runs with broad appeal to being relegated to Asian books. I didn't even know he was Asian when he was writing Hulk, but Marvel reduced him to a token.
>>153466783its not a good idea perhaps, but that was the intentional allusion they were trying to create.Seems to me like they set that whole era up to make him the new magneto. Mags is resurrected with his sins balanced, Charles blows up a space frigate or something to mirror magneto blowing up a submarine, giving him the original sin the self righteous egotist characters on the team will never let him live down. They also really wanted to mirror Scott being a badass at the end of AvX, didn't seem to work though. Probably because Duggan's fall of x side was so fucking ass that it poisoned Gillens decent ending.
>>153468476you did not know someone whose surname was Pak was Asian?
>>153468809I was like 12 and never heard the name before and he looked white in the pictures I saw.
>>153466581no.She was in the Nightrash relaunch that fail and that's it
According to the solicit Finesse is also being used. Apparently not autism counts.
>>153467377>25 years*55 years.
>>153466528A lot of Marvel heroes actually did start off as disabled or are actually considered disabledBen Grimm has to have things accommodated for his condition Strange's hands are fuckedThe original idea of Thor with Donald Blake had him use a walking stickTony Stark for the longest time had his heart condition and had to plug himself on the wall just to live (I've actually seen people online relate to that and Stark's own thoughts even if he did get better)
>>153466561I wonder if this is how a lot of people are going to find out Professor X hasn't been disabled in a long time.I know I was surprised when I found out he now looked like the Maker.
>>153466561White males can't be disabled
>>153466783Everyone always complains nothing ever changes in comics, but when something does change, everyone just wants things to go back to the old status quo again.
>>153466528Is it really pride when a lot of disabilities are replaced with shit like cool powers and cool tech?
>>153471182Clint is right there
>>153466581Well now they have a reason to pull her out and parade her around from time to time. Its like when its Pride Month and Marvel and DC pull out all their gay characters to show how amazing their "representation" is despite 95% of them not being used outside of these issues since 2008 or something.
So proud of being disabled they get cyber-upgrades that make them abled again.
>>153471530He's a carnie.
>>153466851>until Fraction brought it back to score social justice credit?It was more that the MCU used it, so they brought it back for MCU Synergy.
>>153466783I think it was so they can utilize him more in games and give him more outfits that they can sell. Now he can be in things like Marvel Rivals.
>>153468476There is some humor in the fact that with the way both Marvel and DC do things with their representation, its essentially segregation. Its literally>Off to write Asian character only books you go, no major books for you! >Alright Asian characters, off you all go to the Asian only books. No being on the Avengers for you!
>>153471699The MCU didn’t use it until way after Fraction’s run.
>>153471080Eh Strange doesn’t really countHe primarily relies on hand gestures, his hands were only damaged in that they’re too unstable to do surgery nowOtherwise he still makes use of them (and they may or may not have also been cured. We will never know thanks to Surgeon Supreme’s cancellation)
>>153466528Why would anyone be proud of that?
An entire porn game was made where the unspoken point was how unimportant their disabilities were to the characters but more importantly comic book universes are the shittiest place to discuss this where magic cures and cybernetics compensate for so many physical disabilities. Black? Fine? Alphabet people? Sure. This? No fucking way.
>>153466528This is almost as bad as time that Marvel decided that all the asian characters knew each other and hung out regularly in an exclusive group, all getting along just because they were asian, regardless of the fact that asians often don't like other asian nationalities. Then there was the time they decided that all black characters all knew each other, and hung out in an exclusive group all getting along just because they were black, regardless of the fact that "urban" black people sometimes don't like well-spoken black people with no ghetto mannerisms.
>>153468778What the actual fuck is wrong with Phil Noto and his inability to draw more than this expression
>>153466528I want Marvel to make a voices comic for specifically dissociative identity disorder. Banner, Spector, and roughly half of all Marvel villains would be in it.
>>153466583Is it even really HIM, or is he a clone from Krakoa, and just an approximation of what Charles was? That whole rebirthing thing on Krakoa made me think that everybody who died is NOT the original. They're just a copy that thinks they're the real deal. In some cases, a copy of a copy.
>>153468809If you saw this motherfucker and thought anything other than "Jew" you need your medst. Jew
>>153472262>they’re too unstable to do surgery nowIn a PAD Hulk where Strange tells Banner that he knows Betty is recuperating in her hospital, Bruce asks what kind of scrying he used to find out to which Strange says "I called her hospital, I still have privileges in Manhattan" (this predated HIPAA).
>SilhouetteCan teleport and has super reflexes. Can move more able than the average human. Not disabled as she can move better than the average abled human.>HawkeyeSelective deafness depending on who's writing him. When he IS deaf he's only partially deaf in one ear and he wears a hearing aid. Not disabled as he can hear the same as the average abled human.>Misty KnightArm literally replaced by a cyborg cyber arm that's stronger than her original arm. Not disabled as she's stronger than the average abled human.>EchoCan see sounds. Not disabled as she is able to comprehent what people are saying even if she's not lip reading>DaredevilHas all his other senses super enhanced. Not disabled as his senses are stronger than the average abled human
>>153471811DC is very blatant about it with their gays and blacks.There are certain characters you only ever see during their designated celebration months.
>>153466528What about a superhero with Asperger's?
>>153472683C'mon, man, Can't you see how hard Marvel's trying? ROTFLMAO But yeah, all their handicapped people are literally better than regular humans. This was a remarkably stupid idea, and somewhat an insult to actually handicapped readers, if any exist..
>>1534727963 issues before he becomes a bad guy.
>>153472683Superheroes are better than typical humans by default. Plus physical weaknesses can be offset by technology.
>>153472833Why?
>>153466528i didnt know being black was a disability.
>>153472796>>153472833>>153472842
>>153472424he can't draw anything, they tell him go draw extinction level threat nimrod fighting the x-men and spider-man and this garbage is what he turns in. Half the time he doesn't even bother to finish subjects beyond a rough first sketch like that wolverine.
>>153466674Hobbled Goblin?
>>153472879>Half a character since the twins are always treated as one unit.
>>153473009Twins ?
>>153472796Legion and Nuklo have been called autistic, but that is just 80s comic book writer questionable understanding of psychology, and the former is comic book style DID.
Teon from Generation Hope had kind of a general mental disability. And Hulk has been written as intellectually challenged and speaking broken English, though that was not the original portrayal.
Elektra had OCD in her solo movie, but not the comics.
>>153472812Yeah I just personally don't think "being more abled than the average human" makes them disabled even if they're missing an arm or whatever, because said arm is replaced with a super arm, said blindness is replaced with super hearing etc.
>>153473009>>153473038Monet's sisters can combine to become a single entity, but one has autism. The original plan was for them to be Monet and there was no other real one.
>>153472840Yeah I just don't think these characters have any weaknesses like that because any physical weakness has been replaced with something that far surpasses the average human. Yes, Echo may be deaf but she can "hear" better than the average human because she can see sounds from miles away. Silhouette may need crutches but she is faster than the average human and she can literally do multiple backflips and scale walls and shit. etc.
>>153473298Yeah if I remember correctly there was never meant to be a Monet but Monet ended up popular so they just had the M Twins temporarily pretend to be Monet while Monet was actually trasnformed into Penance. But then Penance was also popular so then they had Penance become a seperate entity too. It's all a bit messy.
>>153473292It could if they still struggled in certain ways their super-abilities couldn't make up for, especially if that was a lot of their day-to-day. Like an athlete with those carbon fiber blades making them a faster sprinter doesn't cancel out their disability. But I can't think of a lot of real cases of that, except for many non-spotlight mutants. Honestly things like Bruce Banner's 'episodes' seem to cause more issues in his everyday life than technical disabilities like Daredevil being blind.
>>153473329I think I remember Lobdell saying they were supposed to be her, but she became so popular that she became her own character. But I think a lot of the plans with that character changed. Like they show her father in a fantasy and he's an overweight white guy. Indicating she has a non-white mom. Then he's shown obscured but still white. Then he's half black and his father is white and Monet's mother was Algerian. Meaning she's a quarter black, a quarter white, and half Algerian. Yet some weird race-obsessed x-fans claim she's fully black and that her Algerian mother is black, which makes no sense.
>>153472438he could walk before krakoa, a long time before.>everybody who died is NOT the original. They're just a copy that thinks they're the real deal. In some cases, a copy of a copy.what's the difference, you're a copy of your parents. Regardless clones have existed in marvel since forever, the x-men themselves could do it they had wanted to certainly. Their resurrection protocol is distinctly different and requires a reality warper and access to the phoenix through hope because its narratively true resurrection and not simple cloning. How that interacts with them having multiple of the same person come back by accident, I dunno comics.>>153472683Apparently disabled readers don't like having the characters be "fixed" so marvel is sensitive to doing it. Cyclops could have fixed his eyes through krakoa resurrection, same for karma and forges leg, cables arm etc. They never really came up with any reason that they didn't.
>>153473470Monet's skin tone varies a lot, so presumably territorial behavior since sometimes she was just straight up white.
>>153473396I think it all depends on what powers they have. Like to me the least disabled one of the line up is Misty Knight. Yes she's missing an arm but it's replaced with a cyborg arm that makes her super strong. That makes her more abled than the average human. The most disabled one there is Hawkeye because he's deaf in one ear and being a really good archer and really accurate doesn't make up for that struggle with deafness. You're right htat Bruce Banner seems to have more issues in his everyday life than Daredevil, because while Daredevil is blind, his other senses are so powerful that it's like he can see. So he doesn't struggle in everyday life because he can practically see in front of him, it's just in a different way than the average human. I think Silhouettte is the most interesting one of the lineup, because she has super reflexes and can scale things with ease but she can't walk. So there's like an interesting thing to work with there there.So to me when Xavier was in the wheelchair, I considered him disabled. Because despite being a super powerful telepath, he was still unable to walk. Or Jubilee, her fireworks powers don't aid with her dyslexia. Someone like Echo isn't disabled to me because while she's deaf, she can physically see sounds and can even focus that power to "listen" miles away. And the way her power works is that she can even tell if someone's lying by how the words are glowing. That to me makes her more abled than the average human.
>>153473525>same for karma and forges leg, cables arm etc. They never really came up with any reason that they didn't.Having cybernetic parts is cooler than having a regular arm or leg.
>>153466528No erectile dysfunction heroes?
>>153473632Who would that be? I suspect Iron Man can't get it up
>>153472424He draws the feminine Dillonface.
>>153466737I honestly always forget he's supposed to be deaf
>>153473540>being a really good archer and really accurate doesn't make up for that struggle with deafness.Does it hurt it at all though? Like I'm not gonna say being deaf in one ear ISN'T a disability but archery is purely visual I'd imagine. Honestly would be more interesting if he was blind in one eye though I'm sure there are lots of kickass archers or marksmen with that.
>i am really happy and proud of being disabled Said no disabled ever honestly. The left is a joke
>>153474950Dillon did frankface because he loved us
>>153475072It reminds of that DnD combat wheelchair...well, controversy, is generous but it was still pretty stupid because nobody who is disabled and playing DnD is going to want to in a wheel chair when they can be a kickass warrior or whatever. I've seen it first hand. DM'd a game for some of my nephews friends one of whom is in a wheelchair for... I forget what he had but he played a pretty metal barbarian, let me tell you. He seemed to take glee in kicking things because that's what he wants to do.
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>>153466528Marvel could've put out a Sexy swimsuit issue instead of this garbage. Remember that.
>>153472796That's Gwenpool.
>>153467450Every time Kingsley tries to flex on Norman, on one of the legacy Hobgoblins, or on any other Goblin, they should just let him finish his speech insulting them, then respond with "You're gay though." and walk away.
>>153475429But they are also putting out a swimsuit issue you idiot
>>153475410It also feels like, I'm sure Xavier is in a hover chair in the cartoon cause it was easier to animate, but it was also much cooler than a wheelchair. Wheelchairs are built to be practical, but you don't play DnD for practical real world analogs. You figure a paraplegic PC would have some sort of bitching mecha horse or drider chair or something. Hell, Necormancer in a palanquin made of bones with legs. You know, something besides just an action wheelchairr.
>>153476575>I'm sure Xavier is in a hover chair in the cartoon cause it was easier to animateIt's probably because the cartoon was using the 1991 Jim Lee designs from the comics, and that was the new chair Lee designed for Xavier.
>>153472842Spergs out due to processing things differently, does some shit that causes trouble and his team to get on his case, feels isolated and betrayed. Boom, bad guy.
>>153468476Wow...I thought it was common knowledge that Pak/Park is a super-common Korean surname. I'm just a regular non ghetto Floridian black guy who never went to college, and I know that shit. What's YOUR excuse?
>>153468094Literally a case of "Do you know how much power I'd be giving up just to do REGULAR shit?" Nobody in their right mind is taking that trade-off.
>>153467350I would LOVE for there to be a bad guy fighting heroes, and suddenly falling all over himself and throwing up uncontrollably. Why? Because that 16 year old kid over there apparently just playing a handheld console can fuck up the equilibrium of whoever they want in a 30 foot radius...without dramatically touching their own head with 3 fingers while extending their other arm towards their target.
84 years ago when the original James Cameron's 20th Century Fox' Avatar came out, my mother sponsored a class of disabled children to go and see the movieShe told me that all the children were inspired and wanted to be like the blue man (losing their disability) Why are american subhumans so insistent to have the entire world revolve around them and their subhumanity?
>>153468809Most Americans have never seen pre-op Koreans like Jim Lee and Greg Pak
>>153476954Of course, this is why all autistic people become evil IRL
>>153477093They'll play it up for dramatic effect, and for a redemption that brings reader awareness to Aspergers. "He's not evil, he's just *click, eye-roll, whistle* different!"
>book about disable and queer people>doesn’t uses a queer and disable twink
>>153475938They're not the same though.
>>153466528>Disability prideThis is the most retarded concept ever. No one who is disabled is proud of that. No one. Not a single disabled person thinks to xirself "I'm sure glad I don't have functioning arms/legs/eyes/ears, that makes me better than all these normally-abled plebs".I hate this era we're in.
>>153475938They aren't really sexy.
>>153466783It would have been incredibly stupid to keep cloning him but insist that he stays in a wheelchair because MUH STATUS QUO
>>153466528>This will entice every one armed black woman to buy capeshitGo home everybody, comics are saved!
>>153479277The original sentiment, back in the 1990s, was that "disabled people are still people who deserve respect, and can still accomplish things despite their handicaps" but it's been utterly warped due to a combination of depraved amorality and low IQ people hijacking progressivism into simply worshiping flaws and abnormalities for their own sake. So now, instead of encouraging crippled people to aspire to achievements in spite of their handicaps, they're taught to simply celebrate their crippled state as an achievement in itself. It's perverse.
>>153480119>Able bodied person raging that they occasionally do a one-shot focusing on heroes with a disability
>>153466528Why the fuck is Hawkeye there? Is he deaf or something? And is the chick's disability in center just being black?
>>153467450He's 100% one of those that say "Femboys don't count as gay though!"
>>153472796That's just magneto
>>153475058>archery is purely visual I'd imagineI mean hearing to account for windspeed for longer shots or threats outside your line of sight i guess is something
>>153477030It's not Americans, it's Jews
>>153480161He's deaf in one ear and that's Misty Knight who literally doesn't have an arm.
>>153471182and the Irish aren't white in the Marvel Universe
>>153480377Jews ran Marvel from its start until 1996 and it wasn't woke. Non-Jews have run it since and it got woke quickly.
>>153476659>>153476575I feel like that thing would have a hard time getting through doors. Ditto for Smythe from Spidey TAS.
>>153476970>Wow...I thought it was common knowledge that Pak/Park is a super-common Korean surname.Yeah and Lee is pretty common in Asia too but you wouldn't think twice if someone non Asian had it either.
>>153475072I always thought that disabilities where useful as a villain origin. you can have brilliant minds trapped in disgusting broken bodies. Stands to reason they'd get pretty bitter. There was this one X-men villain in Ellis's run on Astonishing that was exactly that but what really set him off was hearing how the X-men, gods among mortals, where all a bunch of whiny self pitying bastards.
>>153480959Sunfire was one of the chosen people.
marvel doesn't have any cute gay characters. i can't it read if they are ugly.
>>153480959>I always thought that disabilities where useful as a villain origin.You and literally everyone else writing stories throughout human history. That attractive equates with every other positive trait a person can possibly have and vice versa is a near universal ingrained belief because people are lizards. Even as it pertains to villains the hot ones like goblin queen and magneto get infinite chances to reform. A chud like Toad got thrown in the hole for no reason and no one gave a shit about getting him out because he's a sub5, even after the pointless charade about wanda's murder no longer had any reason to be continued. The x-men public team being mostly hot is kind of weak criticism since they're literally intentionally intended to be partially a propaganda tool. If it were setting up some rl cult or special interest community I'd build it around a group of gigachads and stacies too, it reduces infighting and gives you a natural effortless magnetic in group loyalty. Saying they're whiny doesn't hold up when you have shit like domino getting skinned alive.
>>153469128Yeah. I can see the Asian in him because I know, but if I didn't, I don't think I would. I mean, Hickman is fully white but looks like he could be half Asian.
>>153481733The x-men are such jerks
>>153481733I don't know why Toad is still a bad guy. He rebelled against Magneto after all the abuse eventually, and he feel like he should be one of those goofy "b-level" superheroes.
>>153483009he hasn't been a villain for 20 years since m-day, still a weird creep though.
My Prof X can walk and my Dr Doom only has a slight scratch on his face. Simple as.
>>153468778Trouble is that the 'X-Men' are literally named after him. If Charles becomes openly villainous then why would any non-villain team keep on using the 'X-Men' label?
>>153466528I keep seeing the term 'neurotypical' thrown around in progressive spaces so I presume Kingsley is there because he is a psychopath?Also, where is Legion? Sentry? Scream? They are all canonically fucked in the head in severe ways.Pretty fucking ablelist, Marvel.But that's to be expected as just like how the Avengers only use token Muties to look good, they are only using those with physical/visual disabilities to look good--performative allyship at its finest...
>>153483178>the 'X-Men' are literally named after himhe's not doctor doom.
>>153483436Yeah if you notice, the roster they chose are people who's disability doesn't really hinder their everyday life. Where they're basically disabled in name alone, and apeparance, but in terms of their every day life, Misty Knight does not struggle at all. How can she with a cool robot arm? Matt Murdock literally doesn't struggle with his blindness, his powers make him practically able to see and he has to pretend he can't see in order to keep people off his scent that he's Daredevil. But he knows exactly what's in front of him.
>>153483774I think he can get filtered by electric screens at least. But he can read newsprint by touch.
>>153483774they should use the chick whose just a floating brain in a fish bowl from morrisons x-men.
>>153483555Everyone forgets this.
>>153472796Reed and Cyclops already fill that niche.
