As much as I want to be optimistic over this, I can't help but feel that people might be learning the wrong lessons from Invincible
>>153471660That works better when you have a single artist working on the comic book.
>>153471660>another Israeli stealing techniques from the JapaneseAmerican comics are done for.
>>153471781Kirkman isn't Jewish
>>153471660all lessons learned these days are the wrong lesson>"people are sick of superhero movies because the genre's getting tired"fucking running out of face for all this palm
>a "second anime industry" coming from americaWorkers rights make this literally impossible by the way. Nobody in the world is willing to work as hard on animation as japanese people are.The anime industry is only possible because of the specific way japanese society functions. It does not work and cannot work anywhere else.
>>153471660If it's with the same quality animation as Invincible, I say no thanks.
>>153471660>manga-to-animeSo rush out shitty animation and redo it later to milk it even further? Can't wait for an Invincible remaster.
Has cuckman even fuckin drawn anything?
>>153471961>So rush out shitty animationThey've already got that part down.
>>153471781Why are you fucking retarded
>>153471781>Name literally means "churchman"If it's not too much trouble could you fuck off back to the other ESLs in /pol/
>ugly, idiotic, abhorrent display of violence and pissrael's philosophy will serve as a conduit for more vilified slopthere
>>153472171>named churchman>is an atheist feminist beta male
>>153472213>HAS SCOTTISH SURNAME INDICATING CHRISTIAN ANCESTRY NOT ISRAELI BECAUSE A RETARD THOUGHT AS SURNAMES ENDING IN -MAN MUST BE GERMAN
>>153471890The french are pretty close though
>>153471660>made the adaption shitI guess he is taking lessons
>>153471825>>153472098>>153472171He's spiritually Jewish, at least.
this was such a brain dead simple thing that Should have been a thing decades ago but now it is only semi possible by shoveling millions and wasting years to scratch even 20 episodes
>>153473616it's all being spent on celebrity voice actorscause that's what people want in their adaptionsactors doing a hackneyed job in things they're clearly not interested in
>>153473616all we gotta do is remove CEOsif we want to preserve what's left of like, civilization. any kind of business or any products, it's real real fucking simple.>no CEOs, just everyone do your job>Nobody at the top making fucking billions while doing no work, unless they actually own it>no sales of 'intellectual property', only licensing (how can you sell something you still hold onto?)>hire more people working fewer hours, pay them as much as they'd normally get for a full day, but fire them if they slack off even slightly (zero excuse for slacking off on a 2-3 hour work day)>no fucking lawyers, no censors, make it illegal for payment processors or distributors to fuck with your product over offense at its content. let everything live and die by what customers actually want to seeutopia is within our grasp.. but.. instead we're gonna keep getting stuff like this. Where Eve kills Mark's fucking baby, and he apologizes to her.
It took 11 seasons of The Walking Dead and 4 season of Invincible for people to finally realize Kirkman is actually not all that clever and witty and is just a smarmy redditor with fake intelligence.
only way for this to succeed is for creators to get paid royalties. that's never going to happen.
>>153471825The amount of times he shits on Christianity in The Walking Dead comics is worse than Kripke does in The Boys show.
>>153473682i sincerely doubt it
>>153471825>Kirkman>not JewishLiterally the most Jewish name i've heard all day. Not to mention his love all things Jewish
>>153471660Western "Anime" isn't Anime. It's feminist propaganda and nothing else. All Western entertainment is propaganda in general to demoralize, divide and to pacify the population, it's not even remotely close to being escapist entertainment.
Pipeline? That's not a pipeline. They just engaged an animation studio and then made the thing. Where's the "pipeline"? I guess he means that specifically his production company is more capable of producing animations now that they have one hit under their belt? So maybe he thinks he can keep doing that? But there ain't no pipeline here.
>>153473903LOLLMAODude, producing the Eve special supposedly set them back nearly a full year from animating the show. There is no fucking way they are going to do another show. They're not even doing more specials.
>>153471890>Nobody in the world is willing to work as hard on animation as japanese people areJapan also unloads work on low-cost Korean labor.
>>153471660Shit won’t work for two main reasons>1. Western companies don’t give a fuck about animation as an art form, they’re gonna cut corners wherever they can while paradoxically paying B-list celebrities to do 5 minute cameos>2. In 99% of cases, the original author won’t have final say, the writer’s room or director or whoever else is gonna do whatever they like with the material
>>153473922>They're not even doing more specials.He recently said they'll do a Rex Splode special eventually
>>153473955I'll believe it when I see it out.
>>153471781God, I wish I could live in your world for like five minutes. The sheer simplicity of everything has be soothing in it's own way. Like a warm blanket of naivete
>>153473943>>153471660fast, good, and cheap. pick 2invincible releases a season of 8 episodes (that are really more like 16 episodes) a year people are expecting the show to look JJK which has a release schedule that is more like 2-3 seasons a year (season 3 and 4 are essentially a split season) basically what i'm getting at is the for the kind of release schedule invincible has, it has to make sacrifices >but amazon has so much money!they'd have to grow more production studios for animating invincible which has so many issues that i don't know where to start>but just go slower!the wait between season 1 and 2 killed a lot of moment the show had
>>153474242>2-3 seasons a year2-3 years a season
>>153474242>the wait between season 1 and 2 killed a lot of moment the show hadwhat the fuck are you talking about?it's still the only cartoon worth actually conversing over
>>153474291you say that now because the show now comes out yearly
>>153474328cope
>>153474339if this wasn't true then amazon wouldn't have switched to the release schedule they have now
>>153474368there was a lot of bizarre fuckery after the first season due to them using a north korean animation team, whatever that creator's rights bullshit was, and amazon's own studio being trash since all the budget went to the VAs
>>153473663Hi, Moviebob.
>>153473680>creators to get paid royaltiesThey do if they own the IPs like Kirkman and Millar did.
>>153474242>fast, good, and cheap. pick 2The thing is, Invincible doesn't have any of those.
>>153471781Yes, jews. I hate jews
>>153474242>Amazon CAN’T spend more money on the animation because, b-because they just CAN’T okay????
>>153474242Okay, I’m not crazy, but this season has much better animation than the previous three seasons by a lot. There are parts that look bad, but for the most part, the animation this season is very good.
>>153474503HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>>153474503I think you just have really really low standards.
>>153471689Invincible had two artists
>>153474513Not really like take Season 4, Episode 4: most of the fight scene was good. The fight with Conquest itself was especially good. Episode 7 was good too. Even when Mark was getting beaten by the two robot Flaxans, that looked good
>>153474446its fast and cheap on the animation side, of course voice actors are the most expensive part of the series because that is the easiest component to have done on time and is very marketable>>153474456i suppose they could just start working with animation studios around the world just for individual episodes like what WB did for many of their shows in the 90s but that could lead to heavy inconsistencies and a lot of back and forth between several studios and even languages because no fucking way could they do that domestically
>>153471890i like the comic-to-animation thing just cause it seems pretty obvious money-wise. adapt popular comic to screen. less time to write, more time to animate. it at least gives animators a job.only difference is that we wont be producing 100+ cartoons per 3 months. and definitely not adapting comics that are still mid-run. ideally it's like 4 different studios doing 1 comic per year and yadayada yea
>>153471660Does this mean we're getting shit like I Hate Fairyland adaption
>>153474532>its fast and cheap on the animation sideI honestly wouldn't even say that.
>>153474531Again, I think you might just have really really low standards.
>>153474570what exactly is your frame of reference
>>153474503It's better than Season 2, on par with Season 3, worse than Season 1 at its best/average, but better than Season 1's worst episode (which isn't a high bar)
>>153474583Maybe I am, but that doesn’t change the fact that this season’s animation is better than the last three seasons. Even if you think this season’s animation is bad, it’s still better than the last three.
>>153474531it had some highlights but 95% of the show was just static images talking to each other
>>153474446I meanthey mirrored the badge. You gotta give em that.
>>153474589I'd say a fast show would be something putting out 24-26 30-minute episodes a year.Invincible puts out the equivalent of about 16 30-minute episodes a year, and they almost all look like shit.
>>153473938Which all gets redrawn over by like 1 japanese dude.
>>153474597>worse than Season 1 at its best/averageSeason 1’s animation wasn’t that good—most of it was kind of bad. I think there were only two times with great animation: the Omni-Man fight between the Guardians and Episode 8.
>>153474598S1 definitely has the best animation overall, which also wasn't particularly good.The ACTUAL best-looking Invincible thing is the Atom Eve special.
>>153474629>The ACTUAL best-looking Invincible thing is the Atom Eve specialyeah, this is true but I don't agree with the season 1 statement since it has that mars episode
>>153474615what show is your frame of reference
no one actually watches an animated show because they recognize a celebrity, right?
>>153474643Batman The Animated Series (85 30-minute episodes in 3 years)Even a lot of modern anime are still able to put out 24 30-minute episodes in a year, hell, Shangri-La Frontier put out 50 episodes in less than 2 years.
>>153474606Getting an F+ instead of a regular F is still a failing grade.
>>153473598I'm sure you have a lot to say about spirituality
>>153473781>Kirk=old English word for Church
>>153474677>Batman The Animated Series (85 30-minute episodes in 3 years)as stated before, a lot of WB's cartoons in the 90s worked with several studios for the production. many episodes with varying quality. it also was anything but cheap. they were working for toy money on the saturday morning slots when that was big. it was also bit of a prestige piece for the team trying to push batman and tv animation forward>Even a lot of modern anime are still able to put out 24 30-minute episodes in a year, hell, Shangri-La Frontier put out 50 episodes in less than 2 years.just because the show was released in 2 years doesn't mean it was in production for 2 years there's also so many more factors to consider when talking about anime production vs cartoon production that we'll have to start bringing up everything from japan's education system to their market crash
>>153474757>it also was anything but cheap.And I'll bet that even when adjusting for inflation, it probably had a lower budget per hour than Invincible does.
>>153474769we already discussed this, most of invincible's budget goes to voice actors its not worth it to amazon to building more animation studios for invincble because when the show is over, then what
do you mean comics to cartoon
>>153474769NTA but, See pic related.>>153474793Is this even confirmed?? I can't find shit about what Invincible's ACTUAL budget is, the number seems to come from shitposting fightfag war memes between it an Jujutsu.
>>153474843japanese animators are also just paid less than american unionized workersalso compared to the west japan has an abundance of skilled animators and artists due to being the go to place for outsourcing animation which also led to the decline in skilled animators in the west japan's education in the arts is also just better than the west, its cheaper for one, but since there are already more skilled artists (due to their actually being more work available even if you're paid less) it means there are better artist communities where people can teach each other in american artistic education there's a much less emphasis on draftsmanship and other skills that carry over to animation. obviously there are still lots of good artists in the west but there's less of them willing to be paid how japanese are paid for animation
>>153474918Did you mean to respond to another anon? I don't know what that has to do with my post or question about the veracity of the claim invincible has a budget of 2.5 million per episode and most of it is spend on voice actors...In any case I'm well aware of all those factors.
>>153471660Christ the meme is real
>>153471781Reminder Ogan Bat and Prince of Gamma, literal paper theater (pre- manga media) characters, predated Batman and Superman
>>153474503New season looks like DBS Future Trunks Saga on a dirt cheap budget, that shit was badly animated
>>153471660Does manga-to-anime do as many changes as the invincible comic to show has been doing?
The quality of animation is more a matter of talent than budget.
>>153471660I'd love to see a beneath the trees where nobody sees adaptation, fables and Bone(lol) would also be good. But I feel like the lesson that dipshit amazon executives will learn is "we need more edgy 2000s capeslop" and we'll get an adaptation of the pro or ireedeemable or whatever else hoseshit they can scrape up.
I want a mature animated series of the Immortal Hulk but Disney is fucking SHIT.
>>153476026Okay, you’re just lying. It literally had more frames than the last three seasons
>>153473682So he is an atheist? How is that supposed to be jewish? Are scandinavians also jews?
>>153474522How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?
>>153471660He should have had the brains and will to give actual good rewrites to Invincible's storyline but nope we are going to get the same actual shit story beats within the comic itself. How the hell a writer even thinks it's a good idea to have the Viltrumites remain in stasis for 900-1000 years after the Scourge Virus severely decimated their numbers and they aren't pumping out at least 100-150 hybrid babies every century at least. It almost shouldn't matter that they don't have an immediate compatible alien race to reproduce with because the immediate concern should be 1. Getting their population numbers up as fast as they can while having enough time to train them and 2. Maintaining their Galactic Empire as best as they can no matter what. Hell it doesn't even have to be intercourse to pop thos hybrids out as I'm sure the Viltrumites know what artificial insemination is before the Scourge Virus hit and if not they would have ran into an alien race that does that sort of thing in their population.Kirkman seriously gives to much 'special treatment' to the Humans in the Invincible universe.
>>153476611for me, it was making the backstory for the viltrumites far stupider
>>153471660I'd kill for animated (faithful) adaption of Walking Dead.But I guess AMC is literally willing to greenlit 100 different spin-offs but not animated one
>>153476677Yep. We are never going see a deeper potential look at the multiple political factions in Viltrum's history as was briefly mentioned in the comics.
>>153473849No
Invincible is like the polar opposite of the anime pipeline >takes way too fucking long for 8 episodes a season>budget is ridiculously huge>animation is dogshit anyway >relies on celeb VA clout instead of seiyuus>spends most of its money on celebs>relies on creators with clout with previous high profile projects (would never get made if not for TWD success)>changes too much about the source material to appease culture warriors >adapts finished decades old material I can't imagine an animation pipeline more different to the anime one than Invincible
>>153471660But Invincible is terrible from story to animation, how is this supposed to work?!?
>>153476005If it means better western animation, I'll take it
>>153473682The boys show shits on evangelicals, not Christians. Big difference
>>153471660Does that mean we will finally have a full on Hellboy cartoon series (that's actually good)?
>>153471660They need to learn how to stretch their VA budget, ffs.
>>153471660Anime only survives because the budget is bare bones and they cater to multiple genres at once.
>>153471890>>Nobody in the world is willing to work as hard on animation as japanese people are.Don't you mean Korean people since most anime is outsourced there?
>>153477421Bigger budgets are meaningless when you waste them on Vas.
>>153477421You don't actually understand anime.Very few anime are actually profitable in isolation.98% of anime are advertisements to manga, light novels, games, or toys.Manga publishers commission anime, to boost sales because manga are cheap to produce and very lucrative.
>>153477756>98% of anime are advertisements to manga, light novels, games, or toys.Tbh I kind of miss when western cartoons were like that as well. You can be an advertisement and still have fantastic writing and direction.
>>153471660>Comic to cartoon at 2.5 million per episodeNot going to work. Even if you outsource all the animation, you're still going to spend way too much on celebrity VAs.
>>153478086>>153477756Imagine if Invincible had a toyline . we could have gotten animation on par with the original Ben 10.
>>153476691That's something Kirkman has vocally wanted but said it won't happen unless he gets the rights back from AMC
>>153476150FMA 2003?
>>153478840They'd need to market the toys to kids to see the kind of profit that could fund a show, which wouldn't happen because Invincible isn't for kids.
>>153476150Akame ga kill, Soul Eater, love is war.
>>153477484Plus, you can abuse your animators and work them until they keel over and die. Which helps reduce costs further.
>>153480344>ecause Invincible isn't for kids.Let's be honest, it's mostly for teenagers. It could have aired on something like adult swim with other similar shows. Anime also makes merch for teenager/adult shows.
>>153471660>manga-to-anime pipelineThat "pipeline" is shit even in Japan. Only a microscopic tiny fraction of manga adapted to anime is complete. Everything else is just 1-cour 12 episodes of the prologue arc. That's it. There's no resolution to the main plot.It's even worse if they decide to go with the movie route.
>>153480378Why did Invincible even have to do that? Offloading all that work on like 4 people is so retarded considering that they are funded by a company that has made millions.
>>153473528You're gonna have to elaborate on that beause french animation is either all managed in California or Canada and outsourced to the usual suspects, or zero budget stuff like Bobbypills or, these days, Ankama
>>153480414True, but with the changes made to the show from the comics and the "celebrity" voice cast and what they focus on in terms of writing and production, it's clear that Kirkman wants Invincible to be taken seriously like other TV Dramas, so less Dragon Ball and more Breaking Bad. Which is definitely the wrong decision.
>>153480414Speaking of teenagers, whatever happened to Warrior Cats and Wings of Fire animated adaptations? Any other YA books getting adapted (Foxcraft, etc)?
>>153471890looks like they just outsource to asians and make a false narrative that Japan relies on Korea to the same extent>>153473938>>153477455gaijins have no shame, do they?
>>153476016Zorro, John Carter, and Tarzan predate them
>>153480539>Warrior Cats>Wings of FireAnon, that stuff is for grade schoolers
>>153480637Like more than half of what /co/ obsesses about, yeah
It's crazy that western liberals can freely spread lies like all anime are made by Koreans or did never anything about it and then blame Japan for racism, sexism, xenophobia, or whatever anytime they want You literally can't go lower than that
>>153480637So the same audience as Invincible? Edginess is about the same.
>>153480270why does AMC hate free money?
I unironically wish westoids aren't being despicable at least but they always fail at that
bye bye
>>153480441>Only a microscopic tiny fraction of manga adapted to anime is complete.Anon, almost the whole point of the anime is to advertise the source material, not to completely adapt it.That's the point of the pipeline, you put out a show to get people to read the source material so they can see how the story continues, if the story gets completely adapted, that's just a bonus.
>>153480873>EU flagYuros are so cooked lmao
>>153480628Gilgamesh predates all of them.
>>153471660invincible looks like dogshit, worst animated show out right now, bar only a few. it's almost as bad as that gi joe cartoon that came out awhile ago.america has been trying to produce anime since forever. this guy is a moron, he should've stuck to writing comics.
>>153473598>>153471825>>153473781holy shit you're all retarded
>>153481210>>153471890>>153473849>>153477421>>153477756AdaptationsHe's talking about an emphasis on comics to cartoon adaptations that are "mostly" faithfulIt's been done before with The Maxx but his point was Invincible being a prime indication of what this could mean if other comics followed suit
The Viltrumites unironically did nothing wrong. Like, you have the most powerful people in the galaxy. And you supposed to be raped by all your neighbors instead of beating the shit out of them before they kill you?Whoa dude, what if we did Goku...but evil, brah...
>>153477350Tell me in what fucking way is the animation in Invincible better by any fucking metric to any goddamned thing, ever?
>>153474743anglos are just white jews so he's half-right
>>153481245and invincible the show is dogshit, what's your point?
>>153481260And you're brown.
>>153481276The point was that Invincible as a show was still successfulIt got people to read and buy the comic like how anime adaptations of manga get people to read the source material
Tech Jacket in invincible gotg
>>153481289ok nigel
>>153481302you're delusional if you think the show made anyone pickup a goddamned comic.
>>153481335Are the devs on this site? Her ass is huge
>>153481349And a side view
>>153481349cunny lust in overdrive
Japan's model works well because they have a lot of material to adapt from a large decentralized industry. They have that because there is a big audience of people who still like reading light novels and comics there creating a large demand. I don't see it happening in America. I think we'll get more adaptations of more standalone works in the vein of Invincible. But getting anything close to mirroring Japan's practice of using faithful animation adaptations to cross promote currently running light novels and comics seems unfeasible. And I wouldn't trust anything out of Kirkman's mouth when it comes to anything in the animation industry lmao
>>153481346It literally got sales boosts ever since it premieredHell even piracy sites the amount of attention it increased by said site's own stats
Japan is more autistic and much smaller, Kirkman and hollywood fags lie about how "faithful" they will be to the source material
>>153481405Guaranteed those are people that already read comics but haven't bothered with Invincible.
>>153481411Japan really benefits greatly from being smaller geographically which solves a lot of logistical issues with disseminating comics, but populationwise it is still 124 million people. That high population density is probably the biggest secret to success when it comes to the animation/mango/novel industry.
>>153471660Isn't this just the various comic book cartoons / movies from the 90s-00s?
>>153481142What you're thinking of is OVA/ONA. Anything else is just a cope.
>>153477455Koreans have become increasingly too expensive. Lots of shit is getting subcontracted to Vietnam and other countries. Toei's slave labor is in the Philippines.
>>153481529Yes and noThe Maxx is the closest source material accurate adaptationBatman TAS adapted a couple of issues but it was still a largely episodic cartoonHonestly?Marvel and DC stuff should not be in this conversation, they've hit their mainstream recognition ceiling already and if Kirkman's whole point being that animated adaptations getting people into comics would help the industry doing it with Marvel and DC stuff would just cause a lateral improvement at best
>>153471660He's setting up an animation studio?
>>153481245This is a good thing. Western cartoons for older teens/adults are stuck in toilet humor ugly-ass style ghetto. Comics, books and computer games are not stuck in that rut, so adapting them WITHOUT butchering them can be only a good thing.
>>153476005Most of the people who talk about this show online seem to be brown.
>>153481565No, it's pretty much every anime that's based on an existing property.Hell, a lot of OVAs/ONAs are anime originals, especially these days.Stuff like Moonrise, Bullet/Bullet, Apocalypse Hotel, etc. etc.
>>153481672Any adaptation should stand on it's own legs. Live-action or anime, doesn't matter.
>>153481596Very true with the Marvel/DC stuff. Also there's just the fact that they'd be incredibly hard to adapt since they are diametrically opposed to the manga model. Marcel/DC have 1 big world and a lot of unpopular comics taking place in it with characters constantly crossing over.
>>153481756You were proven ignorant of the subject and now you are trying to change the subject.
>>153472213That's why he's a kino writer
>>153473669He's retarded, but his slop is a fun trainwreck
>>153472213Fat guys with beards are always faggots
>>153482068His stuff is really lowbrow so it's really funny when people take it super seriously and analyze it like it isn't.
>>153481815I wrote an entire tl;dr page, but I'll replace it with one word:cope
>>153471660But Invincible looks like shit. More success and more money didn't result in a better product. I want comics to turn into a GOOD animated product, not bank for this fat hack
Kirkman doesn't know shit about animation as an art or as a business. I don't even want more American animation at this point. Everything America touches or influences becomes enshitified.
>tfw only Adi Shankar understand sakuga needs to be a thing>It ends up a bastardization worse than any fuckery Kirkman has doneWesterners and pajeets are cursed
>>153471890>Nobody in the world is willing to work as hard on animation as japanese people are.Neither do the Japanse that's why they outsource the animation to SK
When rape
>>153471890seems to work in korea, china, and vietnam thoughbeit
>>153471890Compare what anime are popular right now and you see why Western cartoons fail.Tell me if Kirkman want make Frieren, Lycoris, Apothecary Diaries, Nukitashi, Euporium, Ascendance of a Bookworm, etc
>>153484771>Frieren, Lycoris, Apothecary Diaries, Nukitashi, Euporium, Ascendance of a Bookworm, etcHopefully not because literally nobody knows what the fuck any of those shows are. I looked them up and they all look exactly the same to me, just generic Animeslop
>>153484771>NukitashiYou just slipped that in there and thought I wouldn't notice?
It's too late but this is why Japs should've never let Americans steal their shitThey have zero respect and will attack who they copied from unless you are black or jewish
>>153485147>steal>Japan invented adaptations
>tfw the only good post-viltrumite war arcs won't be here until season six at least
>>153486901You just know he's not going to rewrite the shitty plot elements because he left the worst in and added new shitty backstory that ruins everything
>>153471660Of course, because Western animation is so beautiful.Right?
>>153471660I don't see the issue with this, adapting self contained comics into animated shows.
>>153471825Still a shabbos goyim white traitor who licks jewish anus and espouses all their beliefs.
>>153474100>God, I wish I could live in your world for like five minutesYou can pull your head out and live in the real world at any time
>>153484796>not at least knowing FrierenRetard
>>153484771The main thing that makes freiren enjoyable is it doesn't have browns/fags/feminism or any other forms of jewish ideals forced into it.
>>153471660>i Hate Fairyland adaptation animated on the same shit budget as Invincible For the love of christ, no
>>153488534>on the same shit budget as Invinciblewould be perfect for garbage like I Hate Fairyland
>>153488462>demons are established as, you know, demons>retards crying over muh racismhow racist of themEven when the series does veer into humanizing demons, it's established they lack the empathy to ever understand humanity and do retarded inhuman things an effort to coexist with them, only alienating them further
>>153484796>Hopefully not because literally nobody knows what the fuck any of those shows are. I looked them up and they all look exactly the same to me, just generic Animeslopwest*id "animation" is better, right?
>>153488593>browns identified with literal soulless demons that are evil npc tier clockwork creaturesIt's funny how many times the story brings up stuff like the Spiegel and demons that are only a clockwork imitation of humanity to contrast with Frieren and the other elves who appear outwardly stoic but in fact feel deeply.
>>153484796>/co/ poster is trapped in his own little bubblemany such cases. You'd have to be to be so loyal to capeshit
>>153477455One japanese correction artist does the work of 100 outsourced korean animators unironically.
>>153484796>muh genericBraindead retard. Consume more calarts slop
>>153488554Mean, IHF deserves better.
>>153471781Haim Saban's greed toward the Power Rangers franchise ended up ruining his relationship with Bandai and Toei, that they decided to kill off Super Sentai, in order to escape the outrageous Power Rangers contract Saban cooked up, that cockblocked Japan from exporting toku content to the entire world for the past few decades.>Picture related: The infamous Power Rangers contract
>>153473680Alan Moore exposed the greed of American comic publishers such as DC, who broke their promise of returning the rights of his works back to him, so he stopped working on comics.
>>153484771>Frieren, Lycoris, Apothecary Diaries,so no ecchi and no fanservice?
Why doesn't he just work under Glitch like everyone else?
>>153480693>then blame Japan for racism, sexism, xenophobia, or whatever anytime they want>You literally can't go lower than thatChuds hate Japan being held accountable
>>153474599So just like anime then
>>153490307An anime with that kind of budget would never look that bad so wrong.
>>153490306Why does no one call out the middle east for their ridiculously low ages of consent?
>>153489054I can't wait for Europoors to start going full techno-fascist like the UK and blocking this site for having loli porn so I won't have to see constant insecure posts jerking off all the mediocre garbage they put out because Euroniggers think being boring and having a story about how immigrants are oppressed or some shit makes something deep.
>>153490306the japs literally have manga in 2 demographics that are made for women and girls, which is why women have mostly abandoned western comics. This reads like jealousy.
>>153490326Because white people are cowards and know Muslims will just fucking kill them if they talk shit.Same reason the UK just arrested some bitch for commissioning loli porn but gives muslim rapists a slap on the wrist for raping a 12 year old.
>>153490307>So just like anime thenthisSatoshi Kon about good animation
>>153490364I'd laugh at this, but I've known this for years at this point, and it's just fucking sad.
>>153490369It's funny because when "feminists" tried to lobby against this in Japan actual female mangaka told them to fuck off.
>>153490375>>153490306>>153490353my bad meant to respond to these
>>153490307Idk, there are bad anime but there are plenty of great ones as well and you can direct talking scenes in interesting ways. ACCA:13 and Lotgh are both political anime where people mostly talk with each other yet they feel engaging, hell Kaiji is such an entertaining anime in spite of the fact that are long scene of internal monologues. I guess the dialogue/monologues have to be well written as well.
OP hereFucking hell this thread was supposed to be about adapting comics into animation and how the wrong lessons learned from Invincible could be more people applying a live action production mindset to animation. Kind of like how stilted animated adult comedies are and how animators have IIRC been repeatedly discouraged to actually go wild with the medium they're on because the suits seek to emulate the standard, expected formula the most popular shows of that field have established.You know Kirkman didn't literally mean "American anime" right?This wasn't supposed to be East vs West thread #12380238102380193801 just because Kirkman mentioned anime (specifically in the way that manga gets adapted into anime which mind you, Invincible wasn't even the first to even do for comics. It's just the most successful case of an adaptation that was mostly (compared to similar shows "adapting" western comics) faithful to the source material)
>>153490375>actual female mangaka told them to fuck off.Where?https://courier.unesco.org/en/articles/kamome-shirahama-my-stories-can-speak-readers-who-feel-uncertain-about-themselves
>>153490395silly anonwe all know that's a pipedream
>>153490326>call out the middle east for their ridiculously low ages of consentReally?>every human being born alive and who is under eighteen years old. Age of Consent: Must be Married There is no age of consent in the United Arab Emirates, as any form of sexual activity outside of marriage is illegal.>meanwhile under the United Arab Emirates Federal Personal Status Act No. 28 of 2005, the minimum legal age of marriage is 18 years
>>153481435I get that you're cynical but this is no different from how Scott Pilgrim is an entry level series that plenty of people who don't read Marvel/DC have read
>>153490413And in Iran it's 13. Iraq is 9. Syria is 15. Yemen is 15.Need I go on?
>>153490403I'm having trouble pulling it up because I swear this has happened multiple times and there's always some other thing westerners bitch about.Recently, Kimi Onoda, head of Economic Security in Japan, told "outside influences" to fuck off.
>>153490406Scott Snyder said the Wytches animated adaptation is coming and we should expect news soon (with him and Jock returning to the comic around Halloween), Titmouse is adapting Nights, Amazon ordered Montress to get adapted into animation, Tynion's company is already working on three of his books getting adapted into animation, etcThere's multiple stuff in the "pipeline" already but until I see it be realized and even for one of them to earn half of the popularity Invincible managed to achieve, I'm not holding my breath
>>153490413Nigga, their most holy prophet married a fucking 6 year old and fucked her when she was 9, are you fucking retarded?
>>153490395Idk, literally no one can predict what will happen. they might adapt a few other non big 2 capeshit with twists but depending on the platfrom and producer it will probably not be like invincible. >>153490403Man, there are so many important female mangaka(Rumiko is literally the number 1 best earning female comic artist in the whole world) it's weird that people call manga of all things misogynistic.
>>153490497>Scott SnyderI piss on himI shit on himAnd his animations will look worse than Invincible is>>153490504It's almost like these retards are fucking tourists who have no idea what they're actually talking about.
>>153490306based Gerry Conwaydont forget Nobuhiro Watsuki and being pedophileBeing a pedophile should AT LEAST result in someone losing their job. He didn't even serve timehis fate should end like Kyle A. Carrozza>Manga ONE released an Official Notice that it had been concealing the identity of ACT-AGE author Matsuki Tatsuyawtf japan
>>153490515Read >>153490353
>Thread that has the image in the OP simply mention anime>Weebs come out of nowhere being overly hostile and defensive ...why are you even on this board?
>>153476287>beneath the trees where nobody seesIf that gets an animated adaptation, it better look less like right and more like left.
>>153490541Defensive? What's there to be defensive of? It's not going to work. We already see how Invincible is going. Thing can barely be animated.And why are you acting like people can only like one or the other? There is a lot of crossposters between /a/ and /co/ because they're both animated and drawn mediums that borrow from each other.
>>153490513>And his animations will look worse than Invincible isThey got Powerhouse apparently and Jock worked with them to make sure the show still had the comic's artstyleStill need to see it with my own eyes though
>>153490571>PowerhouseThe Netflix "anime" studio?oh god
>>153490353>which is why women have mostly abandoned western comicsthey abandoned western comics because sexism & misogyny tropes and culture in comics otherwise they would abandoned western novels too
>>153490565>Defensive? What's there to be defensive of? Admittedly I should've just kept it to "hostile">lost of crossposters/a/ hates /co/
>>153474793>then whatTWD The Animated Series
>>153490606when /co/ posts on /a/98% of the time, /a/ onlies don't even know you exist
>>153481600It already has oneSeason 1 was done by a different studio but the show is animated in-house at Skybound (with the original studio having a producing role)It's why after Season 1 the CGI use was toned down a lotThat said, Skybound's in-house animators aren't inherently bad, the Atom Eve special was done by them
>>153490614Is a horrible show everyone still loved not enough?You know Kirkman will just make it worse like he's doing Invincible, right?
>>153490622>Spam East vs West threads on /co/>Make Toonami /co/'s problem/a/Hates/co/
Just think of all the comics that will be able to have adaptations animated as well as the hit cartoon series Invincible!
>>153490638goddammit, anondo you want me to have a heart attack?
>>153490635>Spam East vs West threads on /co/If you partake in obvious bait threads, that's really no one's fault.>Make Toonami /co/'s problemI genuinely have no idea why those threads exist in general.
>>153490565This thread literally became an East vs West thread just because Kirkman brought up anime's industry benefiting manga as something the west can learn fromThat's something /co/ has agreed with for ages but the second he brings it up, it's now "stealing"
>>153490645>That's something /co/ has agreed with for ages but the second he brings it up, it's now "stealing"...because it is?what, you want to say following in the east's lead?
>>153476150Like...all the time? One of the nice things about Invincible (or a negative if you dislike him) is that the cartoon has direct involvement from the comic's writer so a lot of changes and additions feel right at home with the original writing style.
>>153490638>Saga>Blacksadyes please
>>153490648>Japan invented adaptationsWas The Maxx stealing from anime?
>>153490655pffffffffffffffffffffffffff
>>153476308>Hulk was an A-lister in comics>in the movies he's a side character and a memeYikes
>>153490659okay mr sensitive
>>153490655Have you ever read Invincible?The tone isn't nearly as melodramatic and no one is having a breakdown for every five seconds. Or having goofy ass hallucinations take up most of the issues.
>>153490642>If you partake in obvious bait threads, that's really no one's faultPretty sure the guy shitting on your floor repeatedly is at fault for shitting on your floor repeatedly
>>153471825May as well be. The current story arc of his show is how we should obviously befriend the foreign murderous rapists emigrating to our home, it's not their fault it's just their culture! Why does this sound so familiar?
>>153490635Toonami has no place on any board. /a/ doesn’t have any other threads for specific anime blocks, even japanese one but dubfags can’t keep themselves out of the equation.
>>153490686Kirkman is a hack who has characters say whatever to fulfill whatever plot contrived outcome he wants
>>153477756>advertisements to mangaThis is hilarious to me because comics in America sell abysmally, it would be spending millions on a cartoon to hopefully sell thousands of comics.
>>153490689His writing ability is there but the lengths he stretches things to fit the narrative he wants are ridiculous. There is so much better ways he could go about all this. Not to mention, his excessive cuck fetish and love of cheap shock drama.
>>153471660all these adaptions are going to change the race and gender of 90% white male heroes form the comics just like invincible because white men the only group on the planet that according to jews are not allowed to have heroes or inspiring stories
>>153471660>Writer/producer has a cartoon succeed and thinks he’s going to revolutionize the animation industryIf I had a nickel, if I had a dime
>>153490697Invincible and TWD got confirmed sales though, right?I'm not denying for most this won't work at all. I mean, the 2000s cartoon adaptions didn't make anyone pick up the actual Iron Man, Batman, or Spider Man comics.
>>153490667Not a fucking argument you dense idiotSaying the comic industry can be helped by animated adaptations with manga to anime as an example of it working overseas for decades and Invincible's own sales increase following its animated release as proof isn't "stealing"Someone making a crowdfunding campaign to fund their project after seeing the success of another person's crowdfunding campaign isn't "stealing"
>>153490689>>153490701I still wonder how the fuck that one stupid bitch managed to abduct 12 people and decapacitate them without anyone noticing in their own fucking strongholds as a complete foreigner.
>>153490708The headline is actually grossly inaccurate to what he said Kirkman doesn't have this big grand plan to make a whole slate of animated adaptations, he just fully expects more to come from all sorts of studios and thinks it's gonna benefit comics like he saw with Invincible
>>153471660>Kirkmans' Power Point level of animation but anime.So the Queen Bee studio of anime?>>153471890>Japanese animators cannot be lazyYou've obviously never watched a Queen Bee hentai.
>>153490713lol calm down
>>153481251>>153481276>>153490306You're so disingenuous.
>>153490497>Wytchesjust went through thisthat sucked
>>153481794I want a Brimstone cartoon thoughever
>>153488359The west appreciates unique styles. Japan appreciates anime because like real Japanese people, anime all looks the same. Fitting, really.
>>153490778This is such low quality bait.
>>153490353Which is ironic since modern comics are basically only made for women
>>153490389In Kaiji the internal monologues are where all the main action happens
>>153490796That and cuckolds.
>>153490418No SP fan knows it from the comic lmao
>>153490541>come out of nowhere/pol/ has a variety of interests, not just politics or video games.>>153490635Toonami is /co/, 4kids is /co/, any american localization of anime is so removed from the original that it becomes a cartoon.
>>153490639Don't worry, Invincible doesn't have enough frames to set off your epilepsy.
>>153490853kek
>>153490413>minimum legal age of marriage is 18That is really cucked, literal faggot shit, the min legal age should be puberty
>>153490675Ok yeah they do try to play it more serious I guess but I chalk that more up to insecurity about wanting to be taken seriously
>>153490867it's incredibly hard to when everyone goes on this tirade about how hard their lives are every five minutes
>>153490686It becomes that, the way it starts out is "tolerate us or we will obliterate everything in your life" and turns into "viltrumite culture never allowed them to be anything more than stormtroopers, they're not evil and there's nothing we can really do to try them for their crimes so I guess we're all friends now."
>>153490722Fuck meAn east vs west thread born from half the information of an article no one read. PEAK /co/.
>>153490884so disappointingthere should've been a split between viltrumites who wanted to assimilate and those who wanted to rule over humans
>>153490884"Forgive rapists" really becomes a core part of the story's message after Anissa rapes mark and instead of revenge he just moves on and she gets a heroic death.
There are like 40 of them left they can't really afford to divide.
>>153490938The UK government will make it mandated viewing for underage boys.
>>153490711If more cartoons get made I don't expect it to be to drive comic sales, I just thought it was funny considering Japan's main reason for making most anime adaptations.>>153490873That's what writers think normal people are like or would be like in these situations. I hate to give credit to 4kids,but while they overdid it, they were kind of right with how they added a bit of lightheartedness even to dour situations because a lot of times people will still be hopeful or maintain a bit of dark humor in low moments. On one hand they ruin the scene sometimes but on the other hand it almost subconsciously tells you to always keep your chin up when things go south, although I'm sure a lot of people learn the wrong lesson and just act needlessly snarky all the time because that's what they saw on tv. In Invincible it can be a little grating because when the character complains, there's pretty much nowhere for the conversation to go but down ("my life sucks because bla bla bla, you know?" "yeah that does suck." "yeah it sucks.") and when it doesn't, it almost (or just does) feels forced. I see it as a sign of the times. Whether people are bitchier or we are simply more exposed to bitching due to global connectiveness, the takeaway is that people complain and go on about themselves a lot so to make it relatable to the modern viewer, the characters complain more. I have little problem with this in theory because whining can be written to be enjoyable for the viewer but it's pretty dry and plainly presented in the show.
>>153490897There should be but they obey Thragg and really the split is later between them and him when he can't assimilate with Earth.>>153490938*Forgive female rapists
>>153490959There is not a single person on god's green earth who gives a fuck about who you are or what your problems are. That's what trying to talk to a random stranger is like. You don't even do this with people you're friendly with because that's "trauma dumping" now. but of course normies eat this shit upholy fuckwe live in such retarded times
>>153490942Humans can divide no matter how small their numbers. Never underestimate the stubbornness of the human spirit!
>>153490971I think that's why it comes off as patronizing or unrealistic, we as viewers know that as soon as we open our mouths about ourselves, coworker's eyes glaze over and they go into automatic "that's nice" mode and won't care about anything we say because the conversation stopped being about them. >we live in such retarded timesToo true, too true.
Oh yeah, everybody's dying to watch comics no one reads.
>>153491010Unironically yes. Normalfags love the idea of the stories in comics, it's why they watch youtube videos about them, they are just waiting for those stories to hit a medium that they actually care about.
>>153491026just like they do indie games or obscure retro ones
>>153491031Exactly, they like the idea of some of the old games but won't play them aside from remakes so it's less clunky.
>>153491026Wrong, that's parasocial bullshit, they want to belong and pretend to know what they're discussing. Hope DC is stupid enough to adapt Absolute, that'll be a riot.
>>153491053>everyone acting like Eve won the fight against ConquestNormies need to die a horrifically painful death
>>153490778>The west appreciates unique styles.That’s why most adult cartoons are samey sitcoms while adult anime has a large variety of genres?>anime all looks the sameUtena, kaiba, akagi and tatami galaxy look nothing like each other. Stop with the shitposting.
>>153491048It do be like that.
>>153491053There's that too but they do like the idea of comic stories.
>>153490894>>153471660Kirkman likes to talk a lot and say a lot of bullshit. You shouldn’t take him seriously by default.
>>153491075>YEAH BUT SETO KAIBA AND USAGI KOJIMBO LOOK DIFFERENTThat's nice. 99% of anime is still completely homogeneous though.
>>153491112>seto kaibaDumb shitposter.>99% of anime is still completely homogeneous though.Wrong. Even just taking into consideration the hundreds of short anime made by auteurs and all the different art styles from different genres you are just wrong. Even in something generic like shonen that are multiple artstyles. Funny how you didn’t address the generic sitcom problem.
>>153490959>just thought it was funny considering Japan's main reason for making most anime adaptations.Once in the past the west used to make cartoons to advertise toys and the cartoons were kickass and paid for themselves.
>>153490862Nah the AoC should be ebtween 16-18. Nothing more, nothing less
>>153491148>switch from action/drama to comedy/drama, feminizing cartoons and eliminating all cool action figures
>>153491112anime styles are similar, corporate beanmouth is homogenous
>>153491148Kids don't buy toys anymore, did you see the Rose Tico shelf?
>>153491189How about adults? I’ve seen plenty of millennial adults that like figurines/gunpla and all that stuff.
>>153491204Anime adults only buy gacha titty monster figurines.
>>153490722Damn headlines.
>>153471660This is so highly satanic, it's like they want to brainwash good little christian children
>>153477385No, you'll get Netflix presents: Adi Shankar's Hellboy
>>153490663He still is. Disney is just retarded.
>>153491257My HEROES......and Miles.
>>153476988>>>animation is dogshit anywaybecause anime is well known for having good animationoh wait
>>153481579No wonder 99% of anime looks like putrid diarrhea
>>153491306>0 readeaing comprehensionHe said that the animation is shit even though it has a huge budget. Anime with huge budgets tend to have good animation.
>>153491319>Anime with huge budgets tend to have good animation.yes and I was saying that this implied claim was pure trash, as anime with hudge budgets can easily look crappy, like SNK, chainsaw man etc etc>readeaingoh no no no
>>153491314Wrong but keep coping. Toei has its shit anime but it has also made good looking stuff.
>everything I don't like is jewishWhat kind of retardation is this? Unironic bots?
>>153491337>k-keep copingtoei, mappa, madhouse....the list goes on...if anything, it'd be hard to point out any studio that puts out stellar work on the reg
>>153491332>hudge budgets can easily look crappy, like SNK, chainsaw man The original SnK looked pretty good though. >chainsawman??? I don’t think csm had a high budget.Also name more examples, the “etc” doesn’t look convincing. Most battle shonen have really small budgets.
>>153491343epstein emails proved that the site is pretty much a far right psyop ever since m00t left
>>153491343Leftists, such as Invincible's main demographic, have become increasingly anti-Israel over the past few months for whatever reason.
>>153491344>on the regAnd? Most of everything is usually shit, yet the highs are way above western animation.
>>153491350>The original SnK looked pretty good though.those rotoscoped bits in the marley arc were trash> I don’t think csm had a high budget.Then nothing had.>Also name more examplesI named 3 studios.
>>153491344Trigger, Ufotable, Mappa, Gonzo, Gainax, Sunrise.
>>153491343> he doesn’t know that 4chan is filled with bots>>153491314>>153491344If it’s 99% for anime then it’s 99.99% for western cartoons. The best stuff made by madhouse absolutelly mogs shit like invincible.
>>153491362Yeah I really love how every single anime is comprised of 10 minutes of the characters talking while being compeltely still and their moving mouth flaps is the only motion. Such highs.>>153491368>trigger, fucking GONZO, mappa, sunriseLol, lmao even. Fucking Amphibia had better animation than anything these studios ever made.>>153491370Maybe during the Hellsing era. They are hilariously bad now.
>>153491364>those rotoscoped bits in the marley arc were trashAren’t those from the low budget parts and not from the one adapted by wit?>nothing hasName the budget the csm series had.>I named 3 studios.All of those(other than mappa) studios have made plenty of stuff with great animation and stuff with shit animation(when they had low budgets). Name series from those studios with high budgets that looked like shit. Do it.
>>153491376>Such highs.but the few frames of sasuga bro
>>153491376Those are not the highs you dumb retard. The highs of Madhouse are all the Satoshi kon productions, low iq monkey. Name a western cartoon on par woth perfect blue.
>>153491380>>Aren’t those from the low budget parts and not from the one adapted by wit?dunno man, I was always referring to those, and wit used plenty of png dragging too, so....>Name the budget the csm series had.Large enough to have a different ED every episode. Large enough for loooots of CGI.>Name series from those studios with high budgets that looked like shit. Do it.SNK, Chainsaw man should be plenty for now. I also remember tonegawa being kinda bad.>>153491387>muh satoshi kon and third worlder impotent rageDidn't know Satoshi Kon made high budget tv anime, but sure, anything by Disney is better animated than any anime ever made.>wothhe maaad
>>153491376>amphibiaKek you are calarts slopper. Gonzo is a shit studio yet it made afro samurai, last exile and kaleido star. Sunrise made many fantastic looking mech series.>Maybe during the Hellsing era.So you accept that they are better than western cartoons? I thought frieren was mediocre but it looked better than invincible that’s for sure
>>153491400>dunno man, I was always referring to those, and wit used plenty of png dragging too, so....Dik wit snk looked good.>Large enough to have a different ED every episode>SNK, Chainsaw man should be plenty for nowAny actual numbers for their budgets? This looks made up.
>>153491400>Didn't know Satoshi Kon made high budget tv animeMadhouse made Perfect blue you dumbfuck and Kon has also made Paranoia agent for tv.>anything by Disney is better animated than any anime ever made.Too bad they’ve never made something as well written as Kon’s stuff lol.
>>153490697There is also the cost factor; American comics are much more expensive to produce for a few reasons.First is they insist on being colored.Secondly, they are much more detailed.In order to revive the American comic book industry, colorization needs to be nuked, and styles simplified. That way weekly schedule could estabalished.And once there are enough ongoing weekly magazines, they could be bundled into an equivalent of Weekly Shounen Jump.Personally, I always en dup dropping ongoing series due to monthly releases.
Of the current season Witch Hat Atelier and Wistoria are really well animated.
>>153491401>So you accept that they areThey were. Not anymore~>>153491410> This looks made up.guess you enver saw Chainsaw man's endings>Dik wit snk looked good.Lol>>153491401Frieren looks better than invincible, sure, I never said it didn't. It's still a worse show, for other reasons. But it's not like anyone claimed Invincible had good animation, here.>>153491417I am aware, imptotent moron, I have seen all of Satoshi Kon's films and Paranoia agent.>Too bad they’ve never made something as well written as Kon’s stuff lol.Sure, it's fucking Disney, but we were talking about animation, third worlder chan. Otherwise, I would have put up The tragedy of Man from Jankovics and the converstaion would've been over from the start.
>>153491376>Fucking Amphibia had better animation than anything these studios ever made.>zoom zoom doesn’t know about Cowboy BebopKek
>>153491417>anime>well writtenSomeone send this nigga to bed
>>153491430>guess you enver saw Chainsaw man's endingsI’ve seen them now please post actual numbers if you want to compare the budgets.
>>153491427wistoria has superb animation, too bad everything else about it is boring >>153491432I have seen bebop before you were born, it was mostly produced well but kinda meh otherwise.
>>153491425Thirdly there's too many people involved in actually making the comic
>>153491440after you prove that Chainsaw man had low budget like you've been spamming for a while now, even after I pointed out that getting 12 different EDs certainly wasn't cheap, ergo it had a big budget.Now you can prove me wrong anytime, bro, I won't bite.
>>153491430>Not anymore So what has the west produced lately to compete then? All i see is kids garbage.>Frieren looks better than invincible, sure, I never said it didn't.You’ve said that modern madhouse can’t compete with invincible which is stupid.
>>153491442It still mogs the shit out of amphibia.
>>153491430>of Satoshi Kon's films and Paranoia agent.Which one did you like the best?>up The tragedy of Man from JankovicsMeh, I’ve watched it and it was boring shit. Can’t compete with Kon
>>153491427>Witch Hat AtelierWhat has the studio done before? Because the animation of this is top class.
>>153490389>Lotgh are both political anime where people mostly talk with each other yet they feel engagingLOTGH is my favorite anime and I'm currently rewatching. But even I would say it's dramatization in it is poor for no good reason.Many scenes are just characters drinking tea, and have narrative weight to make them tense.But the biggest issue with the show is that most dialogue scenes are not debated; they are lectures, because characters are surrounded by underlings who do not challenge them.So, much of the show is just Yang giving philosophy lectures to Julian, or Robinski giving his underling a PowerPoint presentation about the master plan.
>>153491430>It's still a worse show, for other reasons. They are both slop in terms of story but frieren has better animation so frieren>invincible>>153491447Bu you’ve provide no numbers. What I can find is that Reze movie has a 4.1 million budget which is less than invicible. Now provide your proof for other shows like Snk and all the “etc” or is CsM the only “high budget” anime that looks bad?
>>153491479kind of true about the last part but it’s still way more engaging than how most animes and cartoons do talking heads and it’s the best written animated series so i can excuse some shit
With how much people are aware of atleast marvel characters you could nowadays almost completely adapt certain comic arcs without having to change much. If people wonder or couldnt know who a character is just have them give a 3 sentence explanation before moving on. You dont need origin stories anymore you can just have a guy show up and people accept it.
X-men 97 actually had some sasuga. The fuck happened to Invincible?
>>153491479The peak of Lotgh is the important guys talking to each other. I’ve never been more thrilled to hear a conversation that has so much buildup across multiple episodes.
>>153491257KINGulk...
>>153491442>wistoria has superb animationWhy can’t the west make something like it then? Invincible is both boring and has shit animation.
>>153491442>but kinda meh otherwise.I don’t believe you’ve actually wached it. Provide actual criticism and tell us how is amphibia better written than Cowboy Bebop.
>>153488462Take your meds, anon.
>>153491468>Which one did you like the best?Perfect blue is special to me because it managed to really scare one of my friends, to the point that simply mimicing the Mima theme makes him visibly uncomfortable.>Meh, I’ve watched it and it was boring shit. Can’t compete with KonFaggot.
>>153491520Invincible is classical literature-tier when compared to Wisteria's hilariously generic writing, setting, characters and plot while not even being anything special.>>153491548> Provide actual criticismI have done so in the entire thread and the only refutal was "um no animu is better ; _ ;" so I will wait for one of you weebs to do that first, ok?
>>153491489>They are both slop in terms of story but frieren has better animation so frieren>invinciblenobody actually thinks this though unless they are a buttmad weeb>Bu you’ve provide no numbers.So what? My point still stands true. Prove me wrong.>Now provide your proof for other shows Nobody here has every provided any proof whatosever besides bitching and moaning about how their generic wiafuslop is better than any other show, so yeah. >buhahahahahahahahHA
>>153471890Yeah, our 2d aniamtion unions are to fucked to actually get animation done. Its why they push the simple designs Koreans can easily aniamte. It's really pathetic.
>>153491720>nobody actually thinks this though unless they are a buttmad weebHow? They are both liked by normalfags but none of them have any substance.>Prove me wrong.I’ve already provided numbers for CSM>Nobody here has every provided any proof whatosever I’ve literally just did>moaning You are the one that is angry that people shit on capeslop number 3728366.
>>153491703You’ve provided no criticism for Cowboy Bebop you fucking liar. I’ve only watched like half of Amphibia but from what I’ve seen nothing stood out, the characters were so damn generic, the interactions between them felt like they came from every other girl show and the world seemed a bit interesting at first but they way they used it was so damn childish. The backgrounds were decent though. What the fuck do you even see in amphibia?
>>153471660No one ever learns good lessons from that.>>153491442CB is still one of the best cartoons I’ve watched, nothing made in the last decade compares
>>153491703>Wisteria's hilariously generic writing, setting, characters I could say the same about invincible, it’s the same capeshit with twist done before yet none of them touch peak kino like watchmeneven if wistoria is shit you always more acclaimed anime to choose and shit, the west is stucked with crap like this being the MATURE cartoon for adults. Mature my ass>>153491548The only thing I dsilike about bebop was ed , still a kino anime
>>153471660Wouldn't they need the "manga" part to exist first?
castlevania was animateed in the us. why can't invincible do that
>>153476005Now with 40% more YABBA DABBA DOOOOO moments.
>>153492024I think he means direct adaptations of comic stories in animation form in a similar way anime tends to use the manga as the bases for the story and shot composition at times depending on the anime. Some anime just ignore the manga. Kek Anime only exists to promote the Manga and other merchandise. Maybe he wants western animation to be a similar launching pad? Just the issue is most comics from Marvel and DC are goa t cluster fucks of interwoven stories based on title comics that would kill the pace of a western animation pipeline. They just dont hire the right kind of talent anymore. https://youtube.com/watch?v=KESNewqMyEs&pp=ygUhU3lldmVuIHVuaXZlcnNlIHNwaW4gc2NlbmUgcGVuY2lsMost people in the western animation business now are terrible at shot composition. They only understand how to make story boards and send them off to Korea for the in-betweens(hard part). We still get rare moments liek the video I sent you where an animator actually get hired for a shot and just does it themselves because they are highly skilled and can just pump this kind of shit out fast.
>>153492078I propose>>153491148. Cartoons used to be good 20 years ago when they did just that.
>>153492078Man, even with the decent animation at parts su was so bad. Just stole all iconic stuff from better shows like Utena
I actually don't understand why most other companies aren't just trying to ape Invincible>give it "just passable enough/good at moments" animation quality (cheap and fast)>turn it out yearly >adapt or slightly rework the material>starts printing moneySeriously Invincible went from a Image comic level popularity, to borderline mainstream comic icon
>>153491700> to the point that simply mimicing the Mima theme makes him visibly uncomfortable.Based, what did he think about the rape scene? If you’ve truly actually watched Kon’s projects I don’t get how you could write something as disingenuous as >every single anime is comprised of 10 minutes of the characters talking while being compeltely still and their moving mouth flaps is the only motion. Such highs.You yourself know that there are directors like Kon, Oshii, Takahata, Dezaki etc that have created so much great stuff that you could never find in western animation. Those are the actual highs. Even when it’s just characters talking you get kino like Lotgh(which I’ve already mentioned) and I can’t find any western animated adult series as good as it. My problem is that all the normies say shit like>invincible is true adult animation when invincible has shonenshit tier writing. For a true anime fan that has a watched a great deal of good seinen anime this is laughable. The west can do more than this. There are good western comics with actual adult writing thay could be adapted in a nice way.
>>153471660aka, maximally exploit starving artists for fun and profit to spread degeneracy, filth, and color revolution propaganda
>>153491720Bro even my coworker knows about Frieren; it’s an anime made for non-weebs. I am not saying it’s great or anything like that but you are coping hard
The absolute state of western animation is not something that a much younger me expected to be this bad back in 2010-2012. It's pathetic
>>153492078Just adapt Absolute Batman and go from there
>>153481382Invincible represents horribly egregious bloat that's plagued the industry long before streaming arrived. If some group of smart people ever figure out a process that's way more efficient and uses actually good story source material to launch it, it won't be from those who are already entrenched.There's a lot of novels (standalone or series) even reaching into middle/high school YA from the 70s-early 2000s where the story material would've btfo most anime, honestly. Japs saw the usefulness of animation as lower cost ways to slap a story onto the television screen for broader audiences and to continually generate some value (if it's good enough), so they won in that.
>>153492758>There's a lot of novels (standalone or series) even reaching into middle/high school YA from the 70s-early 2000s where the story material would've btfo most animeIn terms of classic stories japan has already adapted a lot of the good ones with WMT but unironically a Harry potter adaptation would have been better than 99% released in the last decade that just feel like Harry potter ripoffs. or hell even an Artemis fowl adaptation( not the la garbage) would have been kino. Why didn’t we get that?
>>153492798>99% releasedMeant to say 99% of the cartoons released(especially slop like owl house, give me the original not this brown girl shit)
>>153491376>Fucking Amphibia had better animation than anything these studios ever made.Fucking lmao, I've seen fujobait animated by women with better animation and choreography than any current cartoons.
>>153492961Don’t take that fag seriously, he thinks that garbage like amphibia is better than cowboy bebop
>>153491510One comes out yearlyThe other one doesn'tWe know Skybound (and the foreign studios they work with) is capable of sakuga but they're understaffed and not given enough time because of deadlines>>153492724Absolute Batman could work but like what was pointed earlierA Marvel/DC adaptation would be a lateral benefit to comics at bestPeople already know who these characters areThey're so well in-grained in pop culture that you either like them or you don'tIf you didn't care about Batman or weren't open to the character to begin with, odds are an Absolute Batman adaptation would change your mind
>>153491474The same studio also animated Zom 100, which Toonamifags are probably acquainted with.
>>153492961This looks great, source?
>>153492078>? Just the issue is most comics from Marvel and DC are goa t cluster fucks of interwoven stories based on title comics that would kill the pace of a western animation pipeline.Okay, then don't adapt Marvel/DCHell, Kirkman said in the podcast with Rob that he thinks there's like 12 projects that he's heard of adapting Image books under varying stages of development (not all of them are animation)
>>153490844>any american localization of anime is so removed from the original that it becomes a cartoon./a/ is /a/ retard
>>153493012BucchigiriNote that when I call it a fujo show, I am not kidding, that show is 100% made for fujos, by fujos, and was directed by a fujo director (the same woman who directed Free, SK8, and Banana Fish).
>>153491444>>153491425Everything in America is run by ego and greedJapan prints an entire 400+ page Weekly Shonen Jump magazine on cheap recycled paper and sells it for less than 3 USD and more people in Japan alone buy it on a weekly basis than any issue DC or Marvel puts out in a month
