>Let me get this straight, you want fully hand drawn animation, 11-22 min runtimes, high quality writing, action oriented cartoons that are released regularly, for free on YouTube, preferably with no ads, while the creators and animator juggle a full time day job on top of it?
Well ya but how about this, you give me full frontal female nudity for 5 full minutes, and I'll let the other stuff slide. She has to be sexy and above age so I can see gentiles.
>>153472013I can't believe there are people who think indie can actually replace the void and thousands of union jobs television animation left. Imo, the United States should just cut all pretense and get literal unpaid slaves to make cartoons.
>>153472055Why do you think various companies have such a hardon for AI?
>>153472234When will we get to the stage of feeding a model some character sheets and storyboards, and shitting out an entire animation. This is the sort of slop we want.
>>153472013If you even want to compete against the French & Jap animation, you're gonna have to>show female nipples>lewd shota & lolis>hire actual talent & not CalArts beanface >allow creator driven animation>allow sexy & lewd women Just give fans what they want.The NewGrounds flash animation from the 2000s was already ahead of the curve long before the indie animation thing started trending.
>>153472013i watch the ads on youtube
Not "preferably".No ads or bust. Fuck off.
>>153472447At the current trajectory? I estimate 5-10 years. AI can already create 5 seconds clips in quality when configured correctly, & China is already working an super AI that will generate full-length movies with a single prompt. The future is now.
>>153472447We are already there.
>>153472630ai bubble popping long before that
>>153472601Fuck off age police. If numbers bother (you) that much, then go join take a math class. Faggot.
>>153472650>muh ai bubbleThere is no "bubble." Big tech just bought all the RAM & priced out the average consumer. They're gonna be the ones behind running & marketing the AI. It's already happening. Unless you're willing to spend an arm or leg for an RTX, you're pretty much out of luck.
>>153472650Bro. They had a nonstop Seinfeld ai bot producing 24/7 Seinfeld on a stream once and it was better then most Seinfeld eps. Its over for lazy slop content and preachy narc autures. There has to be talent, exierience, people producing content FOR the audience, and a back and forth with the audience now.As someone said, newsgrounds flash made by people in their bedrooms, and patron cartoonists already showed the way forward. This is the end times for big media conglomerates.The path forward is directly building an audience and creating a trully organic fanbase.
>>153472036>see gentileshey rabbi
>>153472013just use the money you were using to pay the CEO to make it>>153472036also this, as long as 'above age' means started puberty.
>>153472587it's sad newgrounds, japan, AND france have all failed us in that regard (to varying degrees)I just heard a UK vtuber got arrested for like drawing incest or something
>>153472013Just make it a serialized story, and write and animate the entire series before posting the advertisements, let alone even the first episode.
>>153472773Canada & EU nations are the only cucked nations that arrest people for thought crimes (drawings included).
>>153472013Eh, I’m not that picky.
>>153472721Youre right. There is no bubble. It popped already. Right now the government and the mask off completely fake market is being manipulated to keep the fraud going. Data centers are being shelved, AI push at Microsoft(as well as firing all westerners and replacing everyone with indians) has killed it, most AI forward companies are DESPERATELY searching for IT people and workers to unfuck their AI vibe coding shit if their company hasn't gone under that is. Its bad. Oh and do you know how much free ram there is on street corners and waste e-waste centers?The genie is out of the bag. The current attempt to push real ID...there us something more to that. And it has to do with AI. If I am correct we are all in serious trouble.
>>153473014Yeah that pretty much sums it up. >vibe codingStop talking like a nigger. It's called "AI coding" & it's the future. The sooner it gets better, the less jeets there will be in the industry, which the industry desperately needs.
>>153472732>They had a nonstop Seinfeld ai bot producing 24/7 Seinfeld on a stream once and it was better then most Seinfeld eps.Most brown-coded post I've ever read on /co/.
>>153473099AI is actually indian streetshitting rretards.Its being used to supplement cow fuckers lack of actual talent after the fire actual coders. PS. If you knew what the fuck you were talking about you woukd know "vibes coding" is what actual programmers call it and its a fuckjng plague thats helped fucking no one who knows what they are doing. Shits out barely functional unsafe massive programs that are almost completely unreadable, and riddled with security vulnerabilities. Its not going to change ever. Its how LLMs work. And throwing more power ar it isn't going to make it replace even three skilled coders. Fucking retard. Your vibe coded trash is never going to be acceptable and always trash.
>>153472013I never said my conditions were reasonable, but those are my terms.
>>153473251Your newyorj jew comedy is unfunny. Minus Frank and Estelke Costanza and occasionally Newman. That it was beaten easily by a crappy ai version of it shows how shit it, and by extension you for liking it enough to defend it, is
>>153473296Brown
>>153472013>for free on YouTube, preferably with no ads, while the creators and animator juggle a full time day job on top of it?who is saying this? put 3 episodes on a vhs tape and i will buy it for 19.99. you can put ads for other shit before the feature, too.
>>153472823I meaneverybody has crimes that literally do not interact with other people, only involve you looking at or thinking or saying something.we have a lot of work to do
>>153472013I'd actually be totally fine with an incredibly limited animated series with choppy animation but hysterical writing and vocal performances.
>>153473552>everybody has crimes that literally do not interact with other peopleNope. Real crimes involve interactions with real people. Fiction is not real & thus does not involve real individuals. You are literally calling drawn pixels on a screen a "crime." Fuck off. No one's buying your delusion.>only involve you looking at or thinking or saying something.Yeah that's what makes it a thought crime. Glad to see your honest about at point. You want to control people's thoughts. Just be honest for once: This has nothing to do with art. We get it. You hate cartoons.>we have a lot of work to doWE? Who's "we?" It's only (you), smooth brain moralfaggot. Do you have any idea where (you) are right now? Mootchan literally created 4chan to discuss lolicon. In short, I'm not a part of your "we" group, & I hope you lose.
Been watching some season 30 zombie Simpsons because I have no standards. Why is Marge such a cunt?You guys always talk about how terrible Lisa is, but Marge is a colossal shithead. There's a bunch of episodes where she just shits on Homer for no good reason.
>>153472733Good on you for finding my other bait. I've found using grammar or spelling errors let's me know who I've triggered with my bait.
>>153473263You got it all wrong. They're gonna improve the LLMs with Mass Surveillance, code monkeys included. They've already bought all the RAM & the HDs are next. The average consumer will be outpriced from even owning a machine. That's the whole point: Complete total control of the Internet. Be ready to jump ship when they roll Digital ID out.
>>153472013Japan can do it. Why can't you?
>>153472055It will take a lot of hard work but executives can't mangle your entire pitch with major forced changes that ‘your’ fanbase completely accepts, amongst many other benefits
>>153473753Anon, I am lamenting the problem. but If I outline it any further, I will get banned. Read between the lines, or you'll keep shitting on the people who are on your side.
>>153473861The cracks have been showing in anime for a while (One Frame Man, The animation in DB Super)
>>153473584Text-to-Speech device had it the best. Bouncing PNG puppets and funny bits can carry a show
>>153474123Lowest bidder animation is some shit. Anime these days is just an ad for the parts of the franchise that actually make money, so it's all done by whichever studio will do it cheapest. As a result there the majority of productions are fucking terrible quality. You still get exceptions, but probably for not much longer.
>>153472447> This is the sort of slop we want.No it isn’t. Not all of us are tasteless faggots
>>153472013you can have ads, i have adblock.you can even charge for it, i'll just pirate it
>>153474166>Anime these days is just an ad for the parts of the franchise that actually make moneyBro, that's all anime (and cartoons) has ever been.You guys have some wild delusions of grandeur when it comes to what animation actually is.
I sometimes feel like as an art form, animation is simply not worth the effort and suffering required to make it. Like I'd say I'm relatively passionate person in terms of pursuing what I want to do in life rather than taking an easy paycheck, but people who want to become animators are on a different level. Like surely a lot if not most of them would have a better quality of life just switching to a different medium for their art.
>>153474303Once upon a time people bought physical media. So the economics of the situation was different.
>>153472055You're brown.
>>153474123>>153474166But that’s because the studios were working on other shit and didn’t have enough people. Dbs had shit animation but Toei’s other properties, Toku and Precure looked good.
>>153474350I'm pretty sure when studios in Japan say that they can't be engaged because of working on other projects that's actually just an excuse to save face because they can't say 'we weren't offered enough money to do that shit'.
>>153474166> You still get exceptionsYes, you still have those exceptions unlike western cartoons
>>153474373Nah, it’s and understaff problem, You can’t allocate so many resources to multiple franchises. Dbs had shit animation but Precure(depending on the season) had pretty good animation and that’s because not the same people were working on it.
>>153472013>wanting good stuff is le bad
>>153474123Witch Hat Atelier looks amazingbut yes, animation has always been built on slave labor. games too. we need to fix that by fixing the tools.
>>153473861Because the nips still have a few 50+ directors that are making stuff. You need old experienced people. >>153472587The last nipples I've seen in an animated project were from video related.
>>153474602>You need old experienced people.THIS. I wish all the old creators that have opened youtube channels nowadays would instead take apprentices and teach them the crafts
>>153473753Holy shit, learn to read before going off the deep end and sperging. He agrees with you and is commenting on the absurdity of the situation.
>>153474602I enjoyed the hell out of this OVA, one of the few times I went out and bought a blu-ray for something.Shame the collector's editions were all either sold out or Japan-only.
>>153472013ars gratia artis
>>153472013I'll settle for limited animation but good art, character designs and writing.
>>153472013Um, excuse me OP, the thing is there's not really anything wrong with what anons want, they're as retarded as ever, but Californians can't make cartoons. And you're a fagget for getting the joke wrong.
You know what's funny? The show proposed a good cartoon can die of repetition, whereas in reality all cartoons go bad and fast. Enough to make viewers wish it was cancelled, like the Simpsons.Wait, that's not funny at all.
>>153474602sauce on the anime?
>>153473861>Japan can do it. Why can't you?JewsWomen in position of powerTumblr feminist dykes who weaponize cancel cultureExecutive meddling with the source materialMoralfagging puritans who feel all animation should be as sterile as possibleThis is why
>>153472587Whats going on in France is 20 times worse then whats going on in Canada and Japan is worthless without it's American leash.What you really want is...>Show wild takes.>Funny animals, NO HUMANS (except for Popeye, Fred Flintstone and Laura Haruna of course).>Hire actual talent from Japan and keep the rest of Asia away from it.>Have a actual budget.>No celebrity voice actors to bloat the budget, money must be spent on the animation itself.>Allow creator driven animation>Allow falling anvils/safes/pianos.Thats what the fans want.
>>153473861It's 20 times worse in Japan then what it is here.
>>153474882virgin punk
>>153474915>>153474922Tiny Toons is fucking awful.
>>153474726Go take a look at 90s berserk and shshows from that era. Still frames, panning shots, animation limited in certain scenes while they spend the entire budget on pivotal scenes. Its a well budgeted use of resources.And you overestimate how much animation is needed over direction writing voice work and music. And listening to the audience. There are channels out there that are nothing VA and music over still pictures that routinely get between 10k and a million+ views on youtube regularly. Consistency abd having a good product abd building and participating with the audience is key. Patreon and merch are next. Kishimoto and kubo create things that are tailor made for merchPeople are still walking around with Atsuki and bleach style merch. Square knew it and are still capitalizing on FF merch. Look at transformers. They are not selling the merch. They are not selling yhe idea of transformers. They are selling a basic bitch cartoon in a transformer suit to a nonexistent teen audience and transformer lifers. The last one who understood yhe assignment was fucking Michael Bay.
>>153474969No it is not, Tiny Toon Adventures is a masterpiece that gives Dragon Ball Z a run from it's money.
>>153475043Tiny Toons is the worst 90s cartoon, absolute fucking garbage for retards.
>>153475130No thats Hammerman, Tiny Toons was a masterpiece.
>>153476833Nope
>>153472234Why are people so fucking against AI when it could literally help create spectacular 2d animation?Like think how much time you could save if AI did your inbetweens for you. I'm not even saying it needs to color anything just help with the inbetweens and inking. That alone could not only speed up production time but cut down on how many people you need to animate.This hate for AI feels like retards that hated computers in the 1990s
>>153476864YES YOU STUPID FUCKING RETARD!!!!!
>>153476889No, keep seething.
>>153476881
>>153476894No.This isn't seething, Tiny Toons and Animaniacs are Heisei's greatest accomplishments.
>>153476908Kys, Famicon
>>153474343I doubt he'd propose the US bring back slavery if that were true
>>153476881First of all most mainstream AI models are not ethically sourced, second of all AI shits itself trying to keep things coherent and consistant.If it looses the wealth of all the uncountable amounts of stolen data then its very limited in what it can do.If you must keep trying to push it torwards keeping even a single character looking exactly as it did two scenes ago you will spend tremendous amount of time flipping a coin that this generation will do exactly as you hoped.
>>153476967>most mainstream AI models are not ethically sourcedWhat is this even supposed to mean?
>>153476967I'm talking about using it for inbetweens. You'd still draw keyframes which would still acount for multiple drawings per second. Are you seriously telling me an AI model couldn't do the in-between frames? For fuck sake it can already add inbetweens for scenes to make 12 fps into 24 so I know you're talking shit. This is just ignoring a new toolset because of some luddite fear of tech.
>>153472013>Let me get this straight, a hungarian guy can do that, alone, with microsoft paint and a mouse?>Maybe it's just the tramericans and trapanese who do nothing but complain?
>>153474305I think while that’s true it seems like the only reality more because of the economics than the medium. You didn’t have to be extra obsessed or privileged to make it a career when inbetweening work was a common entry point, you didn’t have to suffer to meet deadlines on films in the Soviet Union. You just had to be qualified to do the work. Conditions select for people who are able and willing to prepare on their own. On the other hand you have your Winsor McCays, so animation does seem to naturally attract the people who have that level of dedication, and they push the medium forward. But I think if more work existed more of the people we’re overlooking would emerge to lend a hand too. It’s a pretty young medium in the world of commerce, anything can change.
>>153472013>No time limit mentionedIt's already happening. Been happening since YouTube was conceived.
>>153474602Extremely based ova.
>>153472234because they unironically enjoy shiny balloon women porn with too many fingers
>>153472506>Whiny "cunnychad" sperging out at the mere mention of "above age"Cry harder dipshit
>>153474915>what you want is looney tunes drawn by japs>>153476881If AI could produce from something as simple as a half made storyboard, you would find every Californian cartoon pitcher would want to use it because they hate drawing and aren't a part of the animation studio.They would only be ideologically opposed to it and not for the reason that it makes their job even more insecure if literally anyone could do it for them because that's pretty much the industry right now and their security is through networking and not skill.
>>153472506>They don't have real ages. They're not real. 5 yo, 5000 yo, -20 yo. It's all the same.>Fuck off & let the shotacons & lolicons have their fun.Unironic 300 year old witch moment
>>153472587>muh bean memeOpinion discarded.
>>153474439>slavery is good if it results in more products to coonsoom
>>153477949Dumb idea, inbetweens are the soul of animated cartoons
>>153479560Never said that thoughever
>>153479560What product do you consoom that isn't dependent on slavery?
>>153477920In bed with the gov and built on stolen content
>>153474303In the Golden Age people came to watch quality cartoons before films alongside news reels. They paid directly and merchandise was, relative to today, limited. Franchises weren't a thing.You seem like you just want to fuck with the head of kids who don't know basic history
>>153479323>What you want is looney tunes drawn by the Japanese.Thats what everyone wants.
>>153479509Even industry professionals affirm there's a beanmouth artstyle nowadays. You can stop being in denial already.
>>153479894No thanks.They can't draw or animate.They lost the technology.
>>153480275Everyone can draw, just take a pencil, a paper and start practicing.
>>153479304Cope
>>153480328Tell that to the nips. Maybe they'll make something that's not a moeblob isekai for once.
>>153480425They've already done that >>153474602 here + many other anime. There is plenty of non-isekai being made all the time.
>>153480275>>153480425Yes they can draw and animate, case in point.
>>153472013Mostly I'd just like to be left alone
>>153479604Is that why the majority are done in korean sweatshops?
>>153480425Was gonna say Sentenced To Be A Hero but that is native isekai.
>>153480425There was literally an anime last season about a human-chimp hybrid boy living in Missouri being targeted by vegan terrorists, all played completely straight.
>>153479146>shiny balloon women That's the best description I've heard to describe that slop.
>>153476881You retards throw a fit whenever an animated show uses rigsHow the fuck do you expect AI to be any better?
>>153472506Fuck off cunnyfag
>>153476881>retards that hated computers in the 1990sThey were right to do so, but we're not ready for that conversation.
>>153480773Yeah they have seoul
>>153472013We've had this discussion hundreds of times. You just want to live in the Hollywood Hills and work the months out of the year
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