How the FUCK do these two get along? Reed is all about muh science but then the literal sorcerer supreme is standing near him. Same with niggas like Thor and Ghost Rider. Boom. Proof of two seperate religions being true. Meanwhile here's Reed fucking Richards still being a card carrying atheist
>>153475241A quote that often gets credited to Socrates goes something like this. "It is the mark of an intelligent man to entertain an idea even if they do not agree with it." They don't have to agree with everything. They can talk about other stuff.
>>153475241Because he's not stupid. He can observe that some of these guys can twirl their fingers and speak some latin phrases and have administrative access to the universe. He just does not grasp how that is accomplished. But he can see the observable cause-effect relationship for himself.
>>153475241>have you ever witnessed something that contradicted a fundamental aspect of your worldview? You just have to live with that.
>>153475241https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9IGF4s8PQA
>>153475241Do they get along?
>>153475241The same way there are atheists in a universe where gods appear before them in the flesh
>>153475309Modern atheist attitudes have completely warped our view of this sort of thing from how it was a couple centuries back. Religion's supposed to be all about proof and evidence. God did this, God did that. You can see it right there. Or you can't see it anymore, but the people who did see it got killed for it, so they must not have been faking. Or the people he helped are still alive even though they should be dead, or...Unfortunately in the modern day, every sensible viewpoint defines every aspect of itself after whatever the opposing viewpoint accuses it of, unquestioningly.it's bizarre that, of all things, comic books like this actually show so much respect to the idea that somewhere, beyond everything, above it all, behind it all, is still one singular consciousness. They always keep it vague, but it's definitely, canonically there. And everything else, no matter how cosmic or magical, is below it.
>>153475309>He just does not grasp how that is accomplished.This is always been one of the stranger points for me. Like these are guys who study the world and it's forces. That they'd just not know or bother studying magic once they learn it exists just seems odd. Like I get it for a meta reasons, not to shake up too much of the character's gimmicks.
>>153475589Dunno. 80 years and the only character who crossses over with everyone in this damn universe is the one who got bit by a spider. What you wanted to see Namor interact with Beta Ray Bill? Tough shit. You think Galactus should be in constant battle with Mogo and the Watcher? Pfft. Dumb idea! No we need more of that sweet Spider-Bump to get this shitty girl comic off the shelves. Genuinely infuriating how small this universe actually is.
If there are so many gods, which one is the God?
Ghost Rider and Mephisto imply it's Yaweh. Thor and Hercules as far as i know are aliens. But in actuality since Deadpool and She-Hulk can literally jump out the comic to talk to the artist and writers they might as well know its whoever is in charge of Marvel Comics that creates and runs the universe
>>153475241They have an extremely long and storied history of helping each other out, so it’s kind of hard for them not to. Pic rel is from Fantastic Four #27; Strange was helping the entire Fantastic Four out before Sue and Reed had even married. He also attended their wedding. He helped Reed beat Galactus by basically doing it himself, too— they’ve always been very close, though it hasn’t really been “explained” in the way you seem to want it to be.It might also be worth noting that Franklin’s babysitter, Agatha Harkness, is a witch. Reed is hardly hostile towards magic— that’s more of a retarded modern interpretation that ignores things like his explicit belief in a higher power during Byrne’s run, or his willingness to leave his fucking baby with Agatha, or the aforementioned close relationship he’s always had with Dr. Strange.
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Strange Is generally depicted as an affable guy who tries to see eye to eye with others. It's part of how they kept the Defenders on track when Hulk and Namor would have rather compared dick sizes.
Agatha Harkness was Franklin Richards's babysitter. Reed can clearly see that magic exists, he just believes there are rules behind it.
>>153478650Wonder if they form a club with J J Jameson and Nick Fury
Reed Richards is known to give his head a shake a give an incredulous chuckle under his breath when he sees Ben going to temple in Kippur
>>153475241fyi the biblical god explicitly admits at many points that other gods exist by repeatedly explaining that you shouldn't worship them, while the power of those other gods is also explicitly referenced at various points; the religions that are based off those texts aren't monotheistic, they're henotheisticofc there have been multiple wars fought by these various religions specifically over the issue of monotheism, but that's because most people don't read above an 8th grade level
>>153475309Reed probably dismisses everything Strange does as Alien/Xeno physics manipulation and not human. Anything instinguishable from magic is science.
>>153475241The whole universe doesn't make sense.
>>153475241Reed has personally met a large number of beings that can effortlessly manipulate reality on a molecular scale, or have psychic control over matter. He has a good understanding that there are beings who can exert control over physical matter and energy from a minute to colossal scale. Everyone from Blastaar who can contain large amounts of energy in his body and then shoot it from hands. Or Heralds that just can manipulate large quantities of energy to whatever uses they wish, to cosmic abstracts that can rearrange matter and create lifeforms on a whim if they so want. His brother in law can psychically control fire itself and make it take whatever shape he wants. He can take a tiny flame from a match and force it to take the form of a life size horse. He can make that fire horse solid enough to carry physical objects and then fly around with seemingly no fuel for the flame for as long as he wants. Reed can accept that, then he can accept a wizard twirling a stick and making magic happen.
>>153476224He likely sees it as inherently dangerous. Psychically linking oneself to an outsider from a far off dimension just to borrow some of their physical or mental energies to perform some trick, with no real understanding of the drawbacks or care about repercussions of doing that type of thing sounds completely reckless and insane from a scientific point of view. Linking one's own brain to an otherworldly inhuman intelligence that might not have any bearing on a human's moral or physical well being is just stupid. Especially one they do not know about and only know of as a line or two in an old book.
>>153476302The one above all
>>153475241Strange used to be a world-class surgeon so he can probably talk multiple science topics with Reed pretty easily. I've had a headcanon for a while that Strange still likes to keep up with all the latest science trends or new technologies.
>>153475241Reed is aware that magic people seem to be largely connecting themselves to a cosmic abstract or higher evolved non corporeal being from another dimension of some type and using their powers while on Earth as a kind of broadcast signal. Most higher power beings seem to have minions and servants that work on Earth or in 3D space. He knows Strange channels the powers of Eternity, the Vishanti, and Cytorrak. He knows Heralds are channeling powers from GalactusHe knows He knows Juggernaut channels powers from CytorrakHe knows Thor channels powers from his home dimensionMagic seems to be a means of connecting to a power source that may or may not be intelligent, from a separate dimension to the common 3D plane.It's really not too different from Sue pulling her powers from Hyperspace, Carol drawing her powers from a white hole in the Andromeda galaxy, Super Skrull getting his powers from a signal sent from Skrullos, or really any othre character who's powers are from an extra dimensional source. Magic people just seem to do it from an intelligent extra-dimensional source that answers psychic communication (in the form of meditation or a chant)
>>153480981This, Doom is arrogant and stupid enough to think that no matter what, if any non-corporeal outsider tries to screw him over, he will triumph over their attacks because he is DOOM. (He should know better because that is exactly why his mother is in Marvel Hell)While Reed would think that is fucking insane to link his brain or astral self to some cosmic outsider that might rewire his brain, accidentally blow it up, or use it as a conduit to invade this dimension. He wants to shoot fire, he'll build a flamethrower. He wants to conjure storms, he will build a storm creating weather machine.
>>153481106>He wants to shoot fire, he'll build a flamethrower. He wants to conjure storms, he will build a storm creating weather machine.That might be the other part of it. If he wants to perform some task, he can already build a device that does it. He doesn't need to learn how to conjure shit or magic anything when he can made a super science ray to accomplish the same task. The man made an anti-Watcher cosmic energy gun in about an hour out of random shit he found in a room once while Aaron/Doom was trying to kill them.
>>153475309Probably helps that Strange is an acclaimed doctor that can carry a conversation rather than some illiterate mountain man that waves a stick to summon meteors.
>>153481040I’m honestly shocked nobody has taken advantage of that, yeah. There’s no way he isn’t keeping up with medical journals at the absolute least. You don’t just excel at something to the extent that he did without having any kind of passion for it (unless you’re a sociopath I guess, which Strange decisively is not).Old comics actually used to bring it up, having Strange meet with others in his field and talk surgery with them even outside of the magical stuff, so it’s a shame that newer comics hyperfocus so hard on the “muh surgery” part of being an acclaimed neurosurgeon and not the networking, the sustained enjoyment of medical discovery, the debates surrounding the topic, etc.
>>153476179>it's bizarre that, of all things, comic books like this actually show so much respect to the idea that somewhere, beyond everything, above it all, behind it all, is still one singular consciousness. They always keep it vague, but it's definitely, canonically there. And everything else, no matter how cosmic or magical, is below it.Its name? The editorial board.
>>153481854kek if this actually was the reason they kept honoring a higher power in-universe I wouldn’t be surprised
>>153482545Like I said. When you have 4th Wall breakers like Deadpool and Shulkie its probably the only logical conclusion
>>153484094And when the closest thing to god your universe has depicted is an old artist, I guess there’s no getting around it
>>153484094Which would mean Reed is 100% right to be a non believer
>>153481231do you think they spend a lot of time arguing about the brain while off-duty
>>153485311Not really, a fictional character knowing their creators are really mortals doesn't then suggest there isn't a creator above them.It would however make sense for a character to suggest their beliefs or lack thereof are just what they're made to have as characters, not what they really are, sort of like that scene in Eternal Sunshine.But in the film that was a sort of dream character acting on behalf of the subconscious, not something authored. For a self-aware story that sort of scene just spirals into meaninglessness since the very instance of them admitting they're aware they're under someone's control is just something under someone's control.
>>153478650>>153478986You're thinking like Brain Bendis now!
>>153487518The fuck did i do to deserve that insult anon? We're all friends here
>>153487764Bringing up awesome facial hair bros is bad enough to warrant the insult.
Just because reed is smart doesn't make him a an asshole
>>153481004And he is…a bum who looks like Iggy Pop?
>>153475589Bendis made them both a part of that stupid Illuminati team where they orchestrated disasters, black ops war crimes and try to control the world where Namor (the guy who obsessively wants to cuck Reed and is one bad day away from flooding the entire world is inexplicably the sole voice of reason and restraint).
>>153475241Also how can be he atheist when he met God. Same with Blue Marvel. Muh science bros are retarded
>>153488802If you are referring to when he appeared before Peter as a homeless man in One More Day? Then yes.He also sometimes looks like the stereotypical imagining of the Christian God as a powerful old man with a beard.Or He's just literally Jack Kirby when the Fantastic Four first met Him.
>>153488802He looks like Jack Kirby. But the most common depiction is the golden god
>>153488863>>153488894Or the giant flame covered Everyman, towering over all. He has a polar opposite, The One Below All, which looks kinda like a raging green Grimace, manifestation of ALL hate etc. Ironically, the is the source of Gamma energy in the Marvel universe. Also see The Green Door
>>153488853Because to guys like Reed and Brashear, that's not a deity worth worship who was the benevolent creator of humanity in the classic sense. That's just another weird glowing cosmic abstract entity. Reed knows tons of them and has interacted with lots on all levels of the cosmic scale. He knows damn well that praying to him, going to a church or begging forgiveness is not going to accomplish anything. Meanwhile humanity still evolved randomly on a world in a universe that was also created by the big bang still according to all scientific theories. And that was not an event that was done on purpose by any benevolent creator either. He might even be aware that this is the 7th incarnation of existence. He is fully aware that this is not the first considering he is on a first name basis with Galactus.
>>153489186Weirdly in both Marvel and DC, ordinary humans would have way better results praying to the polytheistic pagan gods than they ever would have trying to worship the big G god above everything.
>>153489186The One Above All doesn't even bother paying attention to the lower realities anyway. He leaves all of that up to the Eternity/Infinity/Oblivion/Death abstracts per universe. And the Living Tribunal deals with them if they get out of line or bicker with each other. >>153489195True. When it comes to following a religion, gaining the favor of a god, or trying to ensure a nicer afterlife, it's better to go with the local pagan gods since they actually do pay attention to humanity, answer prayers, and take souls to an afterlife. The OAA or the Presence is not doing that in either universe.
>>153489255Yes, but the times he has shown up it was to straighten things out. So…then who is the DC equivalent?
>>153489266The PresenceSome nebulous weird intelligence that functions as the Endless' and Lords of Order/Chaos boss. But never actually appears.
>>153489266He fixes things when the multiverse is broken too badly like when the Beyonders messed up all the universes. Or when Thanos started breaking down the universe it has to show up.
>>153488816Hey now. They also send the Hulk to space and create the worst fucking arc I've seen in my life
>>153489266Didn't Animal Man cover that?
>>153489301Oh he appears. He look most often like a British man in a bowler hat, umbrella, etc. basically, Wilfred Brimley sans glasses
>>153489195Jesus used to show up in Ghost Rider as "the Friend" before editorial cottoned on to the implications of this and tamped down
>>153481372Surgeon Supreme was at least in part about this. Sad it got killed by COVID
>>153485908>Not really, a fictional character knowing their creators are really mortals doesn't then suggest there isn't a creator above them.What is Ewing's Defenders
>>153489195I mean personally I'd be going to the Spectre if I needed to contact the Big Man since he's literally His right hand
>>153491303Don’t remind me, anon…
>>153491315dogshit
>>153475241>How the FUCK do these two get along?How the fuck does Wolverine get along with everyone in Marvel? What does he even talk about? Beer, stabbing and hockey? At least he could talk jailbait with Hal Jordan if he was in DC.
>>153475241Their common ground is being an amoral glowie.
>>153485357Reed is actually comparatively bad at biology (for a near-supernaturally intelligent person).It's not so much that curing The Thing is hard it's that it's hard for him.
