>>153476436
>LEAVE THE BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY ALONE

>>153476451
>>153476436
You should just kill your self if this means so much to you. It’s not changing.

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>accidentally opened my app and not web browser
What the heck are YouTube ads anymore?

>>153476451
It's funny how people shit on this but don't give a fuck about how anime will use 'tricks' to save budgets. An old example would be Soul Eater. There would regularly be 'jokes' where characters just freeze for a good 5 seconds before going
>HUUUUUUUUUH?
Or something. Those 5 seconds, done a dozen times through the 51 episodes would likely save them thousands. Or repeating the 'before adbreak scene' again after
>b-b-but that was common in Japan be-
Yeah I know, dipshit. It's just another money and time saving trick. Or reusing battle scenes or shots (they even flat out used the same scenes again by the end in the same episode). It saves money and time. This isn't particularly odd or unique.

As for Invincible, the episodes are ~45 mins long, not 20 mins. Most of the money goes to dickheads like Rogen or people like Oh. We already know this. It also goes on paying for music and shit like that so they can do 3 mins of Mark flying around simple backgrounds with music playing to pad out the episode. Again, this isn't unique or abnormal (Family Guy would do 2-3 mins of Conway Twitty for example, then would make jokes about how they used him because they couldn't be arsed to write jokes).

tl;dr none of this is unique to West or East and budgetary demands decide where the money goes and no company wants to spend more than they have to. If they can get away with covering Thaedeus mouth in the recorded video so they don't have to animate it moving for 10 seconds, they will. Same as anime will do a 'backshot' of protags (often female characters) and put a bit of detail into their buttocks so you look at that and not notice that nothing else on the screen is moving, it's a static image to save on animation costs.

>>153476533
man
it's amazing how those look better than this

>>153476540
Again, remove the 'big star' cheques, remove Seth Rogan's 'double dip' cheque (Producer and VA), remove music royalties etc and you could hire more animators. The people have already come out and said there are about four people who do details for the scenes (shading etc) and they have insane deadlines and it's extra difficult because each episode is 40+ mins, not 20.

Again, hire no-name actors, don't let Seth double dip and you could hire some more people. But if it was possible to do that, the suits would do it and not spend the extra money. Why hire 20 guys to do details and shit on scenes when 4 will do it and it'll be 'acceptable'?

To use an /a/ism - it would be forced animation or dishonest animation if it was good (see KyoAni).

>>153476533
I am ok with saving money techniques if there is good direction, color choices and effective use of budget in important parts. SE had a lot of standout scenes and even the camera and framing choices were good. I know that invincible is short on staff and had less people working on it compared to Se but you are basically agreeing with that anon. They should be shitting on the company for mistreating its animators.
>>153476565
>dishonest animation
That's a zoom zoom buzzword that was only used once to shitpost against Kyoani(for Hyouka I think?) and Hyouka looked great.

>>153476635
Eh, dishonest animation has been used for old stuff too. SE's main quality is the VA. They're all well cast and Maka's actor puts a lot of effort in. Also apparently a good dubbed, not watched it though. But there is still a lot of cheap outs (again, not saying this is bad or unusual). Invincible is 'fine'. I would like to see it done with a large animator staff, but it just won't. It's not about mistreating, it's about some guy in a suit going
>We only need X to do Y in Z time frame
And no company, as I said, will go
>Okay if we save $10m here, we can use this $10m to pay for extra X so it looks better
They'll use that $10m to pay for something to actually get it done OR if it's going to get done anyway, they'll pocket it. Or in Invincible's case, pay their established names. Oh winning an Academy Award probably shot her price up 75%.

Until companies can put out quality stuff on the cheap, we'll never see big companies do stuff. Look at other mediums like video games. Baldur's Gate 3 comes out and other developers shit on it saying 'you can't expect all RPGs to be as good as BG3' or some nonsense. So even if an industry gets something good or 'high grade' then the rest won't try to aim to emulate or beat it, they'll just crab bucket it.

As long as it sells, it'll be fine. Amazon has no desire to spend more money on animators. They prob have some specialist position going
>We worked out that we will get a 13.3% increase in viewers if we have Rogen and Oh as VA but only a 9.8% if we increase the animation quality because market research worked out that 89% of people don't notice after a certain point and 97% don't know what good animation looks like anyway
Shit like that. Same reason why every advert and commercial is usually a mixed race couple - because market research worked out you 'appeal to the minority' (and I don't mean minority as in ethnic minority or w/e, I mean a minority of % of the population).

>>153476565
>remove all the big name stars
>animation is still shit because westerners don't take animation seriously unless it's ripping off anime in the laziest way possible
What then

>>153476517
What addblocker do you use to get rid of youtube's adds?

>>153478272
Brave has a built in one and let's you play videos in the background.

>>153476436
Nobody is directly attacking the animators for the poor animation. This is disingenuous. Everyone is fully aware that they're crunch with what limits Amazon give them. Everyone is bitching about money being wasted for celebrity voice actors and not giving animators the time and resources they should have.

>>153476436
Who cares

>>153478558
Some people are also shitting on the animators, but telling them they're wrong is also beating a dead horse. What's more, there's a good chance of those people being children. Also, what's the point of repeating the same discussion over and over...

>>153476517
ai ads for fake products that don't exist its gay as aids

>>153476436
Yeah, sure, I feel bad for the guys on the team putting in real effort, but they ought to just cope and say "Well clearly I'm not the problem."

So you're telling me there's an alt universe Mark whose defining trait is wearing a tracksuit and furiously masturbating in public?

>>153476436
>yfw the shitty fighting game has better fight choreography than the show ever will
It's honestly pretty impressive at certain points, the animators have a better handle on these characters than anyone involved with the show
https://youtu.be/P_Y1QJtR56M