>Is just as bad as man of steel, but it has good vibes so it's okay actually
>>153483869Incorrect
>>153483869>but it has good vibes so it's okay actuallyIsn't that just true though?A Superman movie should have good vibes and if it doesn't then it's doing a bad job
>>153483920Ideally it should have a good fucking story. Which this movie doesn't.
>>153483970but it having better vibes mean it isn't as bad as man of steel
Both good desu :)
One of the major plot points is a foid ruining something by acting like a foid, which makes it better than Man of Steel.
>>153484179Accurate thoughever
>>153483970How does it NOT have a good story?
>>153486542>No attempt was made at showing how 300 years of meta humans being on earth had affected the earth at all, everything still operates the same as the real world except with super heroes now>Lex's motivations are never fucking explained, ever>Superman's inconsistent characterization and unbelievable naivete, especially with how long he has been on earth for>Scientists somehow translate a completely alien language in a single day, somehow. >Lex Luger uses the most retarded way possible to defeat Superman when he literally has all the technology to just kill him whenever he feels like it, but instead uses this over-complicated retarded plan
>>153483869>OP woke up today and chose to pick a fight with a year-old Superman movie loooong after the hype's already died down Don't you have anything better to do with your time?
>>153483920I mean if nothing else it's at least less obnoxious pretentious, though if you ask me it's just a case of opposite extremes
>>153486709The usual election tourists are still seething over Gunn Superman because it made a mockery of the heat chart thing they were trying to force at the time.Also they unironically thought Luther was the good guy even though he murdered someone in cold blood just to spite and torture superman.
>>153486624>>No attempt was made at showing how 300 years of meta humans being on earth had affected the earth at all, everything still operates the same as the real world except with super heroes nowHave you ever even looked at a fucking comic? I couldn't even make it to the rest of your post. This is a brazen display of stupidity.
>>153488237It was probably written by Ben Shapiro
Is Superman (2025) a good movie? No- but on the other hand, is Man of Steel a good movie? Also no.
>>153488237>Have you ever even looked at a fucking comicHow does this refute my point? Comic writing is shit? Well no shit. Doesn't mean we should tolerate bad writing.
>>153483869It's a good movie but it missed the superhero boom. The energy is gone, especially when it comes to getting invested in an all new cinematic universe. The Snyder movies, while they disappointed a lot of people, at least had passionate discussion. I barely see anyone talk about this one.
>>153488326You didn't make a point to refute. What you said was pointless. Meritless. Baseless. Asinine. The gibbering of a sponge. Idiot.
>>153488402Oh okay, so you don't have any argument against anything I said. Why didn't you just say so?
>>153483907>IncorrectYeah, the vibes SUCK.James Gunn's comedic style worked for the Guardians, who are a bunch of fringey and sketchy characters parodying super heroes. But it's a terrible fit for Superman.My God, this is one of the worst monologues ever written. Luther had one equally bad several minutes earlier.https://youtu.be/yn_6jJ49E7w?t=29
>>153483869>>Is just as bad as man of steelMan of Steel was art, Superman was dogshit
>has an absolute kino portrayal of guy Gardner and Mr terrific Gunn is alright in my book
>>153487056Did your LSD aliens tell you this fantasy?
Would you agree with this statement?
>>153489058>Shill on Shitter says
>>153489058She was hot here, and nowhere else.
>>153488310Okay, what IS a "good movie," then?
>>153486624>No attempt was made at showing how 300 years of meta humans being on earth had affected the earth at all, everything still operates the same as the real world except with super heroes nowMoS did this right by having Superman be the modern world's first real introduction to superheroes. Even if Kryptonians showed up thousands of years ago, they can easily be explained as the angels and gods of myth like in Smallville.
>>153483869>Is just as bad as man of steelMan of Steel sucks because of its tone. But it also sucks because it's also not a good movie. And it's directed by Zack Snyder, who has never made a good film in his life, so there's also that.
>>153488326That anon's just an autist who can't discern quality so if the adaptation is faithful even to the shit parts, it's all good.
>>153489058How the hell she look completely different here?
>>153492457>it's directed by Zack Snyder, who has never made a good film in his life, so there's also that.https://youtu.be/_CIYR_XgBSY
>>153483920You sound like a massive faggot
>>153483920MoS still made more money even without inflation. That goes to show that the world doesn’t want bubblegum Superman.
>>153492463Lol this
Reminder
Max Landis was right.
>>153483869It's not bad though? I swear Drinker, Mauler, and Nerdotic ruined people
>>153483869I think the movie is okay, but how did Lex clone Clark and visit the Fortress in the same movie without figuring out his secret identity? I was also disappointed all Guy did was fuck up some soldiers, wish we saw him do something cooler
>>153496333No, it is. Even Mauler ripped it apart on EFAP.
>>153483920>A Superman movie should have good vibes and if it doesn't then it's doing a bad jobright because superman is one dimensional.
>>153483869>>Is just as bad as man of steelWhich is to say, it's better than MCU slop, but the D*sney astroturfed hate that sank public opinion in MOS failed this time because everyone knows the MCU is shit now.
>>153495812Demon Slayer beats it too.
This movie was terrible. Just as bad as Superman Returns.Whiny pushover bitchy Superman, where we're expected to like it because he smiled more than Henry Cavill Supes did.
>>153496870>>153495812Damn, DC gigamogs the best of Marvel AND tranime? DChads stay winning.
>>153483869It was nice seeing colors in a comic book movie again.But that's like saying its nice oxygen is in H20. It should fucking be there anyways.
>>153497059Get those eyes checked, bud.
>>153492457The parallels keep piling up.
>>153496627You just proved my point, retard
>>153483869>no penis shaped pods >no Clark destroying some guy's car because they bullied him in a bar>no blatantly stealing clothes from a random person >no "stop, my immortal son. Don't save me and give away that you have superpowers">half the fucking city wasn't leveled with millions dead from fighting one guy (seriously you cant tell me every single building was evacuated and no one got hurt)>didn't have to actually kill somebody to winI'm thinking Gunn's Superman is way better
>>153497417Still flopped.
>>153497417>half the fucking city wasn't leveled with millions dead from fighting one guyAre you being fucking for real right now? Did you even see the movie?
Why is /co/ dead set on trying to convince people it was bad? I have yet to hear an actual argument outside of memes or hyperbole. I'm willing to hear the other side, it's just comes across as disingenuous
>>153497533Not him but the destruction of Metropolis wasn't Clark's fault in that movie, that was directly Lex. In MoS all of the destruction was directly Henry Supes fault.
>>153497540You have multiple different ones right here. You're just refusing not to see them.>>153486624
>>153497604I just got here, let me look at your post. >No attempt was made at showing how 300 years of meta humans being on earth had affected the earth at all, everything still operates the same as the real world except with super heroes now.....So the DC universe in general? DC comics basically treat metahumans as the norm. Why would it be treated differently in the movie?>Lex's motivations are never fucking explained, everBut they did? Did you not get that? Lex Luthor hates Superman because despite all of his accomplishments and feats to steer humanity into what he believes to be the better, they will always remember and love Superman over him. That's petty and in character. >Superman's inconsistent characterization and unbelievable naivete, especially with how long he has been on earth forWhat inconsistencies? How is he being naive? It's not naive trying to think people are capable of being better.>Scientists somehow translate a completely alien language in a single day, somehow.Actually it was Lex in combination with the data he stole from The Fortress. Linguists merely cross referenced given the data they were given, and confirmed.>Lex Luger uses the most retarded way possible to defeat Superman when he literally has all the technology to just kill him whenever he feels like it, but instead uses this over-complicated retarded planThe point wasn't just killing Superman, because simply doing that makes him a martyr and harder to overshadow. He had to discredit him first. It's a pretty simple and obvious plot.These complaints are reaching
>>153497758>.....So the DC universe in general? DC comics basically treat metahumans as the norm. Why would it be treated differently in the movie?So shit writing excuses more shit writing?>But they did? Did you not get that? Lex Luthor hates Superman because despite all of his accomplishments and feats to steer humanity into what he believes to be the better, they will always remember and love Superman over him. That's petty and in character. What made him so petty and like that to begin with? Never explained. That's not even close to a good explanation for why he hates Superman.>Actually it was Lex in combination with the data he stole from The Fortress. Linguists merely cross referenced given the data they were given, and confirmed.And they managed to do all that in a single day?>The point wasn't just killing Superman, because simply doing that makes him a martyr and harder to overshadow. He had to discredit him first. It's a pretty simple and obvious plot.If he wants to kill him, he has all the ability to. He doesn't need to set up any kind of legal precedent to kill Superman when he's shown that he doesn't care about legal precedent in the first place with all the shit that he regularly does throughout the movie. You have no argument.
>>153497758>What inconsistencies? How is he being naive? It's not naive trying to think people are capable of being better.He wants to try and capture a foreign leader, not realizing all the political turmoil that could come from doing something like that. That's retarded and it shows an incredible level of naivete that thirty years should have gotten rid of by now.
>>153496746How is a movie having good vibes one dimensional? How is a movie being gloomy and depressing more dimensional?
>>153497939>How is a movie being gloomy and depressing more dimensional?hmm maybe because its letting him being more than one thing retard.
>>153486624>No attempt was made at showing how 300 years of meta humans being on earth had affected the earth at all, everything still operates the same as the real world except with super heroes nowThat's shit doesn't need to be established, that's like the one contrivance of any superhero media.>Lex's motivations are never fucking explained, everHe hates Superman and he's extremely petty/megalomaniacal, it doesn't need to be explained.>Superman's inconsistent characterization and unbelievable naivete, especially with how long he has been on earth forHow is it inconsistent? He's always been a boy scout that's one of the main things everyone knows about the character.>Scientists somehow translate a completely alien language in a single day, somehow. Now this is getting into straight up autism>Lex Luger uses the most retarded way possible to defeat Superman when he literally has all the technology to just kill him whenever he feels like it, but instead uses this over-complicated retarded planHe doesn't want to just kill him, he's orchestrated a scenario where the US government is giving him a blank check to take him out.
>>153497851How is it shit writing?What do you mean "what made him this petty"? It's pretty self-explanatory, and I even told you.If you have the proper data to translate and cross reference, yeah?You just completely ignored what I wrote and fixated on the killing partI have arguments, you're just brushing them off because you personally disagree with them
>>153497992He's not being more than one thing though, you're replacing the thing he's known for with a different thing.
>>153497887>He wants to try and capture a foreign leaderHe didn't want to capture a foreign leader? He deescalated a conflict in action, and sat the guy on a cactus. Your argument shouldn't be "Clark is naive to wider implications" it should be "Clark is naive to the skeptics who question his motives" because Clark has been nothing but forthcoming about why he's Superman to the world
>>153497994>That's shit doesn't need to be established, that's like the one contrivance of any superhero media.Shit writing doesn't justify more shit writing.>He hates Superman and he's extremely petty/megalomaniacal, it doesn't need to be explained.The motivation for your main fucking villain ought to be explained.>How is it inconsistent? He's always been a boy scout that's one of the main things everyone knows about the character.He wants to try and capture a foreign leader, not realizing all the political turmoil that could come from doing something like that. That's retarded and it shows an incredible level of naivete that thirty years should have gotten rid of by now. That's retardedly naive and not something you'd see from a Superman on earth for 30 years.>Now this is getting into straight up autismNo, you just don't have an argument.>He doesn't want to just kill him, he's orchestrated a scenario where the US government is giving him a blank check to take him out.Why? When he can just do so immediately with all the tech he has and has shown that he doesn't care about the law?>>153498035>How is it shit writing?Because the politics and pecking order of the world would look VASTLY different if meta humans have been around for longer than the United States has even existed.>What do you mean "what made him this petty"? It's pretty self-explanatory, and I even told you.There's no backstory or any fucking explanation that explains why he is the way that he is. It's completely trite writing. >If you have the proper data to translate and cross reference, yeah?And do all that in a single fucking day? That's not believable at all.>You just completely ignored what I wrote and fixated on the killing partNo, I'm pointing out how fucking stupid his plan is and it isn't getting through your tard helmet.>>153498077That's a retarded level of naivete that he simply shouldn't posses after living on earth for 30 years.
>>153497555>all of the destruction was directly Henry Supes fault.Most of it was Zod, dude. Remember his machine?
>>153498041You demand he's only depicted one way so you want him one dimensional.
>>153498115Again, simply replacing it is not adding a dimension, it's a lateral move.
>>153497992But Synder Super was only one thing, and that thing was gloomy/depressing.
>>153483869I'm long tired of stories trying to be overserious—it's reddit-tier cringe shit. This Superman really was a breath of fresh air because it really does seem like something ripped straight from a comic book but with some added goofiness. Gunn's Superman is honestly one of my favorite Superhero films period. Even got the steelbook.
>>153498165How about stories be fucking good? Because this movie certainly wasn't.
>>153498097>Because the politics and pecking order of the world would look VASTLY different if meta humans have been around for longer than the United States has even existed.Like what?>There's no backstory or any fucking explanation that explains why he is the way that he is. It's completely trite writing.The film LITERALLY tells you. I don't know what else you want spoodfed. Its actually in character too.>And you can do all that in a day?This is a weird hill to die on for one thing. If I have a map, and I know how maps work, it cuts a lot of the time down. Translating is a different story, they were merely confirming an already translated language as valid given the info>No, I'm pointing out how fucking stupid his plan is and it isn't getting through your tard helmet.But you not only completely missed the point of what the film told you, you blatantly ignored what I myself told you in favor of focusing on the killing aspect. What exactly are you not getting here?
>>153498112We're referring to stuff like punching each other through buildings and Clark not doing dick to keep the collateral down. At least Gunn Supes took the fight to an evacuated stadium, the upper atmosphere, and an already destroyed section of metropolis. Hell the film bashes it over your head that he wants to keep collateral to a minimum and people safe during the kaiju battle
>>153498157its adding a dimension to his depictions in film, you have 6 films where he's a boyscout, and the one where he isn't you bitch.
>>153498363Story was fine. lmaoVillain shows up, Superman and some friends defeat the villain. It was a fun spectacle with entertaining characters and heart. Not much more I really wanted out of it.
>>153498420That's not what adding a dimension to a character means retard
>>153498378>Like what?Everything from the way that the country's governing bodies are structured, to the way that the laws are structured, from the way that military conflicts are handled, everything should be different. But yet, nothing of that is shown in the movie.>The film LITERALLY tells you. I don't know what else you want spoodfed. Its actually in character too.No, it doesn't actually. We're never given a backstory explaining why Lex is the way that he is or why he truly hates Superman.>This is a weird hill to die on for one thing. If I have a map, and I know how maps work, it cuts a lot of the time down. Translating is a different story, they were merely confirming an already translated language as valid given the infoNo, it's actually not. Kryptonian is an entirely alien language. That's not something you are going to figure out in a single fucking day. >But you not only completely missed the point of what the film told you, you blatantly ignored what I myself told you in favor of focusing on the killing aspect. What exactly are you not getting here?I'm pointing out that the "the point" is fucking stupid because he has all the resources to simply kill him and be done with it without having to manufacture some pretext for doing so. >>153498441No, it actually wasn't. I'm also surprised that you even tried arguing that there's too many stories being "overserious" when there's the exact opposite problem with Whedonisms infecting everything.
Just felt like Temu Superman
>>153498458enjoy your flops.
>>153498097Holy fucking shit why are you even on /co/ if you don't like comics?
>>153498165Just curious but how old are you? Nothing will ever top Blade, Spider-Man 1 and 2 (Raimi), Christopher Reeves Batman, The Mask and The Crow for me. That's already a lot and Gunn's Superman doesn't even come remotely close.
>>153498469Gunn's Superman is like the furthest thing from any Whedon-type of film or story. lol
>>153498469>Everything from the way that the country's governing bodies are structured, to the way that the laws are structured, from the way that military conflicts are handled, everything should be different. But yet, nothing of that is shown in the movie.So you have a problem with the DC universe in general? What exactly are you looking for here?>No it doesn'tSee now you're just being obtuse and stubborn because acknowledging what I and the film directly tell you in turn means you're wrong. What isn't clear to you?>No, it's actually not. Kryptonian is an entirely alien language. That's not something you are going to figure out in a single fucking day.Ah, so you're just not reading what I'm telling you at all. They're not translating, they're confirming an already translated language from data stolen from The Fortress. Language has specific rules, and if you know what they are, you can understand it. That's how fucking language textbooks work, anon.>I'm pointing out that the "the point" is fucking stupid because he has all the resources to simply kill him and be done with it without having to manufacture some pretext for doing so.Again, YOU'RE NOT READING WHAT IM TELLING YOU. The point isnt' just about killing him. Do you understand why that is? Do you see the problem killing him immediately? Go back, and read the earlier posts.You're only proving your own literary limitations here
>>153498550Cartoon porn
>>153498573Retard Im not reading that wall of tect
>>153498573>So you have a problem with the DC universe in general? What exactly are you looking for here?I have a problem with bad writing, which is what you're so obviously trying to defend.>See now you're just being obtuse and stubborn because acknowledging what I and the film directly tell you in turn means you're wrong. What isn't clear to you?So is there a backstory for Lex that explains why he's the way that he is? Yes or no?>Ah, so you're just not reading what I'm telling you at all. They're not translating, they're confirming an already translated language from data stolen from The Fortress. Language has specific rules, and if you know what they are, you can understand it. That's how fucking language textbooks work, anon.Yeah, and doing that in a day is not believable, especially because it's a completely alien language. That's not something you're going to do in a day.>Do you understand why that is? Do you see the problem killing him immediately? Go back, and read the earlier posts.And yet he has all the resources to be able to do so and simply won't do it. Instead he relies on an overly complicated plan to try and manufacture pretext for something that he can already do. It makes zero sense.
Snyderfaggots suffer from mental illness.
>>153498613>I have a problem with bad writing, which is what you're so obviously trying to defend.You didn't answer my question.>So is there a backstory for Lex that explains why he's the way that he is? Yes or no?Yes and the film tells you. You not paying attention is not a fault of the film. And it's pretty simple to understand too, even if you have a loose familiarity with Superman material. Hell I already told you earlier>Yeah, and doing that in a day is not believable, especially because it's a completely alien language. That's not something you're going to do in a day.So if I give you a sentence written in Spanish, and a textbook/dictionary, you couldn't read it in a day?>And yet he has all the resources to be able to do so and simply won't do it. Instead he relies on an overly complicated plan to try and manufacture pretext for something that he can already do. It makes zero sense.I am convinced you are ESL. You can't sit there and say you just read what I wrote and still say that. This is either bait, or you are unironically fucking retarded. Because your posts only make sense that way. Anon, for the love of god, READ and INTERNALIZE what is being given to you.
>>153498570He's literally on top of the list of directors that have pushed that type of humor into movies over the past fifteen years.
>>153498681>You didn't answer my question.It's bad writing, retard.>Yes and the film tells you. You not paying attention is not a fault of the film. And it's pretty simple to understand too, even if you have a loose familiarity with Superman material. Hell I already told you earlierSo, no. Because if there was, you would have explained it to me already. The fact is that there isn't one. It's never explained why Lex is the way that he is, nor his backstory.>So if I give you a sentence written in Spanish, and a textbook/dictionary, you couldn't read it in a day?It's a completely alien language.>I am convinced you are ESL. You can't sit there and say you just read what I wrote and still say that.I'm unconvinced that you're still this retarded as to defend this movie's god awful writing.Stop making overcomplicated excuses for what's so obviously and so directly bad writing.
>>153486624There are criticisms to be made in this movie, and these are not them. Dumb.
>>153498558>How old?Early 30sI watched Spider-Man 2 in theatres as a wee lad. I also vividly remember watching the opening sequence of Revenge of the Sith in theatres. Good times and memories with the family. I've kinda just got to the point in my life where I'm tired of these wannabe "super serious business" stories. If you're going to make a serious story, at least make the film fun to watch—spectacle, color, highs, lows, joys, and falls. It's why Revenge of the Sith is in my top 5 films ever (always has been, really). Not trolling, just explaining my thoughts. For favorite superhero films, it's probably a tie between Spider Man 2 and Batman Begins. And yes, my favorite pre-2000s era Batman films are Batman Forever and Batman and Robin.
They hired zach to make a superman movie like nolan batman because it made a shit load. The movie is decent, good even, but autist cant accept anything that isn't reeve which is why the character has been dead for 50 years. DC pivots to making shitty comedies like marvel and churns out flop after flop. The "new direction" under Gunn is to make more shitty marvel comedies despite the only successful things since snyder and realistic dramatic depictions, the batman, joker.
>>153498709You know I was giving you the benefit of the doubt in the hopes of actually having a discussion at the start but you really are some sort of retard. We're going in circles because of your own doing. Go up, READ, and then maybe I'll continue wasting my time
>>153483869Don't care. I'm just glad it's not Zack Snyder. Even that shitty Richard Pryor Superman movie is preferable over Snyderslop.
>>153498715>Revenge of the Sith is in my top 5 films everjesus fucking christ.
>>153498761>The movie is decent.It isn't. It's the most average, nothingburger Superman movie there is. I personally detest it because of its tone. People like you love it for the same reason. The reality is that it's somewhere in the middle: a bland, forgettable nothing movie.
>>153498795if it were forgettable you wouldn't be obsessed with it 13 years later.
>>153498763No, it's just that the movie is complete dogshit and your excuses for it are so flimsy they fall apart in 2 seconds.
>>153483920>Superman loses every single fight>He shows his hair trigger during the interview with Lois (big oof for the strongest man on earth to be this easy to bring to anger)>He spends all movie whining and crying>Something something punk rock nonsense>Autistic retards interpret this as good vibes Wow you retards would not be able to tell a banana from an apple if somebody told you otherwise.
>>153488584Shouldn't deny it
>>153483869Superman Fans are so picky.
>>153499489NTA but if you want to actually discuss shit usually you have to provide some sort of argument instead of going "nu-uh it bad"
>>153493266The world doesn't deserve Superman
>>153499856He fucking won't because he's a tool. Dude is only interested in baiting people by intentionally acting dumb. You can see it in the thread by how he doesn't even acknowledge what's said to him
>>153499856>>153500007I've given multiple arguments and the only responses I've gotten are over complicated excuses that don't acknowledge the bad writing of the movie. I mean look at this shit>So you hate DC Universe in general?How the fuck does that refute what I said?
>>153499768Not really. Just don't get Zack Snyder or some other grimfuck himbo faggot to direct the film and we're good.
>>153498848No. The only time I ever think about the film is when one of you chucklefuck snyderretards make a thread about it whining about James Gunn.
>>153500077>over complicatedTo you, because you're stupid>How the fuck does that refute what I said?Well first it establishes that despite these people existing it's treated as the norm both in film and in comics. When you were asked a specific question asking what exactly you were expecting, you proceeded to ignore that question
>>153500163>To you, because you're stupidNo, because it doesn't actually refute the criticism.>Well first it establishes that despite these people existing it's treated as the norm both in film and in comics. So shit writing to justify more shit writing? Again, this isn't an argument. Just because the comics have shit writing doesn't mean that movies have to have it as well.
>>153486624>I've never read a fucking comic
>>153499489You're just another Snyderfag retard
>>153500189You just don't like comics
>>153500249I don't like bad writing. There's comics without bad writing. Therefore I like comics. Not the shitty ones. >>153500229>You don't like shit movies so you must be a snyder fan!
>>153500189And again, you continue to ignore the question. It's almost like you don't have an answer to it
>>153500272I don't like bad writing. There's comics without bad writing. Therefore I like comics. Not the shitty ones.
>>153500284You're just trolling. Here's your (you), I hope it helps fill the void.
>>153500300No, you're just retarded and using bad faith retarded questions to try and avoid obvious and clear criticism of something that you like. It's hilarious to watch.
>>153500284>I don't like bad writingThat's pretty weird, because you sure like seeing yours a lot.
>>153500335It's hilarious how you can't debate any criticisms of these shit movies so you resort to insults and attempts at trolling.
>>153500284That wasn't the question. Man, you really are baiting. It's not even good effort either
>>153500349>Still can't address the point about bad writing
>>153500372How is it bad writing? Illuminate us, oh wise one
>>153500372Bad writing is not "Thing I don't like". Also part of a conversation is addressing the other parties point, which you continuously fail to do to instead default on a broken record statement. Why do you refuse to answer?
>>153500347The writing in Gunn's Superman is great. You're just a discord tranny. lmao
>>153500424>Still resorting to insults
>>153500447Ah yes, the entire DC universe should be restructured to your likings. It operates the same way DC operates in the comics>but that's bad writingGo read something else, then. Nobody else shares your retarded view.
>>153500405>>153500404If Meta humans have been around for 300 years, everything from the way that the country's governing bodies are structured, to the way that the laws are structured, from the way that military conflicts are handled, everything should be different. But yet, nothing of that is shown in the movie.That's bad writing.
>>153500475>Ah yes, the entire DC universe should be restructured to your likings. It operates the same way DC operates in the comicsIt operates with bad writing? Why should the movie have to suffer with that same bad writing? You're using bad writing to justify more bad writing.>G-go read-No, I'll happily shit on bad writing whereever I see it.
>>153500481>If Meta humans have been around for 300 years, everything from the way that the country's governing bodies are structured, to the way that the laws are structured, from the way that military conflicts are handled, everything should be different. But yet, nothing of that is shown in the movie.Such as? You've been asked this so many times yet refuse to answer.Also this is legitimately a subplot in the movie
>>153500500You're using circular arguments. You just don't like how the setting is structured. OK, fine. But that's not "bad writing."
>>153500504Laws would be bent around the existence of meta-humans ESPECIALLY given the fact that they were around since the united states first formed. There would be laws governing their usage in combat. There would be laws governing their day to day lives. But nope, nothing about that is ever shown in the movie. That's bad writing since the setting isn't acknowledging what it's claimed has happened.>>153500526This isn't circular arguments you fucking retard. The setting is structured BADLY that's what makes it bad writing. How fucking retarded are you?
>>153500553>Laws would be bent around the existence of meta-humans ESPECIALLY given the fact that they were around since the united states first formed. There would be laws governing their usage in combat. There would be laws governing their day to day lives. But nope, nothing about that is ever shown in the movieIt's irrelevant. It's not what the story is about. How stupid are you?
>>153500553There's literally nothing suggesting meta humans have been widely known or operating in public for 300 years, you idiot. And how the fuck do you know it hasn't shaped how the world operates? Again, it is YOUR PERSONAL OPINION. You are just a Snyderfag butthurt about your precious universe being gone.
>>153500553You think you're being original but this is something that has been talked to death in comics already. How can a law apply to Superman when he specifically doesn't show allegiance to one nation? How is congress going to enforce such a law, especially to Superman? Assuming they get that bill passed, how are they going to deal with the negative public opinion of it after so many life saving incidents? The entire point of superheroes is that they're a wildcard 3rd party entity that don't follow these laws, and they're so far between in the earlier years that some even questioning their existence at all. Superman was the first big metahuman to be in the spotlight. So your complaint is not just stupid, it's not even original. They've covered these topics to death for years
>>153500585The movie made it relevant when they decided that it would be a part of the setting that human beings have been here for 300 years. The story needs to put in the work to convince us that's true. And the story doesn't do a good job for that. You're not making a good case here for your retard movie.>>153500620>There's literally nothing suggesting meta humans have been widely known or operating in public for 300 years, you idiot. That wouldn't matter. They'd have been found out hundreds of years ago, especially given that they'd eventually have to try integrating into society. That's a retarded fucking argument, holy shit. >PERSONAL OPINIONEvery fucking movie criticism is subjective you retard. That doesn't mean that no discussions can ever be had about them. >>153500631Again, you're using the bad writing of the comics to justify the bad writing of the movies.
>>153500679>Again, you're using the bad writing of the comics to justify the bad writing of the movies.>"I'm just going to ignore your points and default to my script because I have nothing to counter it with"I accept your concession
>>153500701No, you just have no fucking response. Saying that "comics have discussed it before" is not refuting the fact that the story has bad writing by not acknowledging it or making it a part of the setting. That's a fucking retarded argument.
>>153500719>No, you just have no fucking response.I literally have given you plenty of stuff to work with yet time and time again you fall on the basic bitch drone response ignoring all of it. That's not a me problem, that's all on you. You are in fact exhibiting hobbyless behavior, and it's kinda funny/sad at the same time.
>>153500750I'm just going to wait until you address the point.
>>153500779See now you're trying to mimic, which is a sign of low intelligence and unoriginality. And what's crazy is that you're completely wrong too. The comics, and even the film, talk about these topics but not in a way you want so you instead accuse it of "bad writing".
>>153500800I'm just going to wait until you address the point.
>>153500807Address my point first.
Did I finally break him >>153500807? He really doesn't understand how conversations work
>>153500839You're both broken autists. There was nothing left to break.
>>153500814>>153500839Are Superman fans this retarded? Holy fucking shit.
>>153500846Defaulting to just name calling and nothing else, another concession. I mean why even bother taking you seriously if you're just going to ignore everything you're given?
>>153500853You ignored all my arguments and proceeded to try and rail me down this whole bad faith logic rabbithole because you can't acknowledge the criticism and refute it directly. Fucking embarrassing.
>>153500860>You ignored all my argumentsPeople can read the thread, anon. See now you're just devolving as we go because you've lost interest actually trying to acknowledge arguments. Why is that? Were you ever interested in listening or merely farming attention?
>>153483869Did anyone elae think its "good vibes" were completely insincere and Gunn just wanted to get this out of the way so he could turn Justice League International into another Found Family of Lovable Antiheroes?
>>153500885How about addressing my arguments?
I love Superman!!
>>153492143Superman 1978.Hell even the George Reeves serials are better than most Superman films.
>>153500969He wants Justice League International but ironically can't use Batman yet lmao
>>153483869I've been saying the movie was just as cynical if even more so than the Snyderverse since it came out, but no one's ready to have that discussion.
>>153483869Yes, exactly.I’ll take a happy optimistic retard over a miserable violent retard any day.
>>153483869>His father, John Corenswet, was from a Jewish family
>>153498715>Revenge of the Sith is in my top 5 films ever
>>153486624>Lex's motivations are never fucking explained, ever
>>153502575>>153498774It's a kino movie. Get over it, retards.
>>153503209It is kino, but in the top five?
>>153492143I rather unironically enjoy Citizen Kane, myself.
>>153492143Cold In July.
>kill zod as a last resort to save lives>murderman>kill ultraman as a last resort to save lives but jokes>le hookin comfers vibeskys
>>153497540>Why is /co/ dead set on trying to convince people it was bad?I've seen a great deal of people actually writing out what makes the film "bad" in their eyes. If you want to discount every opinion you don't like, then that's on you. But sharing a negative opinion is not the same as trying to "convince you". You're literally not that important dude. It was an absolute dogshit film. Superman gets shown up by practically every supporting character in his own film, from Lois, to Mr Terrific, to Supergirl, and even the fucking DOG. How, exactly, is he "Super" again? There are a number of issues with this film, but it's also abundantly clear Gunn & the studio simply couldn't have a "Super" Man that's a White guy be better in his own film than his own supporting characters. He's a whiny little bitch. But hey, you liked the "vibes", right?I mean, you gotta love the movie where the invulnerable "Man of Steel" literally flinches when the angry White Man throws a rock at the BACK of his head. Do you consider that to be consistent story telling? No, they wanted the imagery of the angry White Male showing he's anti-immigration by attacking the "hero" so SUDDENLY Superman can actually FEEEEL the rock so you can see how emotionally upset he is. I know low IQ's can't spot blatant propaganda, so glad you enjoyed your soooperhero moobie kid! This scene was SO important they made sure it was featured in the trailer!
>>153498715>Revenge of the Sith is in my top 5 films everSo, plot contrivances are standard in your world>Padme died because she lost the WILL TO LIVE>Trust us, Jedi Dudes, for we are mechanical droids and have a "Will To Live" monitor, where when that Will drops below a certain level, it's Game Over, man!>What is this "CPR" you speak of? Code Blue? Never heard of it! Crash cart? Defibrillator? Huh? No, you see, the monitor clearly indicates her WILL level. It's low. It's heckin' GONE!>Trust us, we're droids.We know all about Will power and Will to LIVE. Bruh>And yes, my favorite pre-2000s era Batman films are Batman Forever and Batman and Robin.>Batman and Robin.>Batman and Frikken' Robin.I've always said any child raised on a diet of bland cardboard will delight at the dumpster buffet. We all have our "guilty pleasure" films. Hell, I loved Troll 2 before it became widely known, because it was fun. But to confuse "fun" with "good" is just......Bruh. Damn. People like you are literally the reason why Hollywood doesn't even try any more.
>>153500719>No, you just have no fucking response.Correct, he doesn't. His "I accept your concession" is literally his fall back insult that you will constantly see here because he uses it ALL the time. Every time I see it I go "oh, its THAT anon again". He's literally memorized it and whips it out constantly because he thinks he "wins" with that. He's literally an NPC with a catchphrase.
>>153488439Luther was literally "and that makes me angry" tier with his speech.
>>153503731>literally flinches when the angry White Man throws a rock at the BACK of his head.You didn't watch the film and are repeating EFAP talking points you watched on Nerdrotic streams.
>>153488439Dog mauling jumpscares are the least heroic thing I could have ever imagined. Was I supposed to laugh?
>>153497851>What made him so petty and like that to begin with? Never explained.He's Lex Luthor. He's just THAT much of a natural asshole. That's been a constant of his character since forever. The only version that actually tried to justify him being such a petty jackass was Smallville and even that just boiled down to daddy issues.>If he wants to kill him, he has all the ability to. He doesn't need to set up any kind of legal precedent to kill Superman when he's shown that he doesn't care about legal precedent in the first place with all the shit that he regularly does throughout the movie. I'm pretty sure Lex straight up says it wasn't enough to just kill Superman but to kill Superman after convincing the world that he's a threat and getting permission to do so just so he could rub it in Superman's face as he died. Because again, Lex Luthor is a petty megalomaniac.
>>153504664I don't watch "nerdrotic" and the scene is literally in the trailer. Why do you have to lie so hard to protect a corporate product? Did you tie your personality up in this film or something?
>>153504724>the scene is literally in the trailerAnd it isn't in the film, retard. Thank you for proving my point of you having not seen the film.
>>153504882>They cut it after the mass critiqueOkay, so you admit that they were in the wrong for filming it?Of course, no one with an IQ above 70 saw the film because the trailer was trash. If the commercial is bad you don't go out and buy the product...well you probably would, but normal people wouldn't. >B-bu-but then you can't criticize itOf course I can. The trailer (which is supposed to be the best part of the movie to attract an audience) was trash, so the movie had to be too.
>>153500405>Bad writing is not "Thing I don't like"Yes it is
>>153504882>Thank you for proving my point of you having not seen the film.Except....I have. >Noooooo whatever they cut means they changed their sensibilities! Disregard ALL their talking points about this being a pro-immigration film!Next are you going to try to argue that Superman wasn't a bitch in his own film? That everyone else was portrayed as more competent and heroic than him? Gunn didn't GET the character. Next are you going to defend Jor El telling Kal to go forth and conquer with his concubines? Because he changed it for the home version, it was "cut" too? Are you wearing Mr Teriffic Underoos right now son?
>>153505017>Are you wearing Mr Teriffic Underoos right now son?No, he's clearly wearing Hawkgirl panties.
Thread was about to be archived yet the attention whore bumped it desperate to rile someone up
>>153504993>They cut it after the mass critiqueNo, it didn't have the finished visual effects.>i didn't see the filmThen stop talking about the quality of something you didn't watch.>>153505017No, I'm wearing this pic related Zack Snyder Man of Steel t-shirt actually. >Next are you going to defend Jor El telling Kal to go forth and conquer with his concubines?As a matter of fact, this I will defend.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ_jHjaWHpc>Because he changed it for the home version, it was "cut" too?Nothing was changed for the home version.
>>153505134>Thread was about to be archived yet the attention whore bumped it desperate to rile someone upAnd yet, here you are, bumping and calling for attention.>>153505220>No, I'm wearing this pic related Zack Snyder Man of Steel t-shirt actually.What is your wife's bull wearing though?
>>153505269I'm gay, can't you tell by my Zack Snyder Man of Steel t-shirt?
>>153505134Dude literally can't handle that people liked films he disliked. The only live action Superman films I don't like are 3 and 4.>>153505269>no argumentI accept your concession.
>>153500077>How the fuck does that refute what I said?Would you complain that a Christmas Carol film contains ghosts?
>>153503312>write a situation where Superman is forced to brutally snap a guy's neck>write a situation where Superman punts a braindead clone of himself into what is probably the Bizarro dimensionThere's a reason the first one is seen as retarded and the other one isn't
>>153503312Who said Ultraman is dead?
>>153483869man of steel atleast had one straightforward plot. Superman is just kind fo a jumble of ideas with rushed CGI. Its weird Man Of Steel had better looking CGI.
>>153502572And Superman was made by two Jewish guys, get the fuck out of here.
>>153483869It still bad, a different flavor of bad
>>153483869I love dis poster
