It's time for marvel fans to face the music and pack it in it's over for you now DC rules checkmate.
lmao congrats on winning on a dying market lmaono one even fucking reads comics anymoregood luck with injustice 3 kek
>>153503671Turns out focusing on having fun and scrapping weak titles works way better than an ossified editorial trying to force their vision on everyone else.
>>153503671I like DC now but fuck off with your e-celeb war reaction bullshit
>>153503671Amazing Spider-Man (January, Part 1) #1Amazing Spider-Man (January, Part 2) #1Amazing Spider-Man (February, Part 1) #1And so on and so forth. All written by the return of fan favorite writer, Dan Slott who will be writing the title for the next ten years, all consisting of #1 issues of Amazing Spider-Man.
>>153504163500 #1s
>>153503671Marvel lost the plot nearly 20 years ago anon. Its time to face facts.
>>153503671>DC's now the King of trash pile!Meanwhile manga sales wipes its ass with both.
>>153504476marywhoreshitters.... *sigh*
>>153505094I do enjoy seeing them cry so much *smug face*
>>153504476More like 22 years ago, since Disassembled began in 2004.
>>153503671>>153505094>>153505162Do you read comics in general atleast?
>>153507081wonder what else prime loses his shit about. i'd imagine he has strong opinions on jean grey making bobby gay
>>153503671people still pay for comics?
>>153503671I feel bad for all the DCfags on /co/. Sorry but gwenschizo now will larp as a DCfag and give you guys bad rep
>>153503671Cute opinion. Did a YouTuber give it to you?
Only one thing can save Marvel now.
>>153507119
>>153507128DCbros...
>Spider-Man editorial is a joke>Ultimate line is ending (and failed to attain the momentum Absolute DC accrued despite that one coming after)>Entire 616 continuity feels directionless>Relaunches up the wazoo >Seemingly big initiatives gone kaputIf Marvel is to improve it needs new leadership
>>153507140Paul's return is foretold in the Delta Rune prophecy.
>>153503671Marvel is literally incapable of appeasing fans.Hell, they sabotaged their Ultimate line for the crime of briefly selling more than 616/ASM.There is nothing you can do to fix Marvel.Especially since they have no incentive to fix since Mickey Mouse is paying the bills.
>>153503671Good for them but you couldn't pay me to read absolute. Overrated shit
>>153507305>Hell, they sabotaged their Ultimate line for the crime of briefly selling more than 616/ASM.What you said makes no fucking sense Marvel was still making money regardless on whether it was an Ultimate or regular title. Also what's wrong with comics ending on a high note? A few years from now Absolute will have is Ultimatum like event and you fucks will say something like "DC should have followed Marvel example and ended the line instead of milking it until dry", you people just love whining for the sake of it.>>153503698You are an imbecile Absolute Batman is currently outselling most manga titles in North America the Absolute line as a whole sold more than 1 million units last year. The only thing dying is the "comics are dying" grift
>>153503671It won't last
>>153507630>Over hyping a woke and gay Batman comic this much Yeah comics deserve to die
>>153507651>Reporting facts about sales data=hyping up Batman Yep you are an imbecile
>>153507693You're proclaiming a dogshit comic that is still not original and based on an 80 year old IP having a short term bump is "saving comics"Okay
>>153507701>You're proclaiming a dogshit comic that is still not original and based on an 80 year old IP having a short term bump is "saving comics"Pushing the goal post are we? Anyway I got the numbers wrong the Absolute line sold more than 8 million units in its first year and now it surpassed the 12 million benchmark, looks to me that comics are more popular than they were in the 80s and definitely more than in the 2000s
>>153507305>Marvel is literally incapable of appeasing fans.More like the fans are literally impossible to appease.
>>153508015Marvel fans are very easy to appeasePut spider man with mj and stop doing stupid shit like paul and whit washing norman osbornDont be retarded about punisherDont turn x men into orgy/mutant supremacistsDont kill big initiatives like new ultimate universeAnd finally replace gay/communist shit with good writingThere are enough gays and ethnic heroes but not enough well written storiesWhere is marvels kingdom come/watchmen or hell even something fun like absolute batman ?If it wasnt for brand recognizability current transformers run would rape and gape spider manI feel like 80% sales of spider man since atleast paul is just hate buying,cover collectors and readers who love trainwrecks
>>153503671Would be impressive if DC go for 3 decades without a Crisis
>>153508149You gotta retcon stupid shit like gay superboy or green lantern having weakness to russian wood sooner or later
>>153507630>the absolute line as a whole sold over one million units last yearSo split between 5 ongoing comics and a one or two mini series that’s what each individual issue selling 40 or 50 thousand a pop? That’s not bad I suppose
>>153507081the polack doesnt read comics, he reads boruto>>153507118DC filters the retard hard, same as /a/ where OP filters him too
>>153508110And what would you do if Marvel actually did all of that? Would you never complain again?
>>153507118Am afraid absolute batman will do thatI know is the best selling comic but I also know is a slap in the face to all the editorial goodwill DC comics had for 80 yearsOut of model non canon grimdark and exxxtremeAbsolute batman will never capture the hearts of the fans like detective comics does
>>153503671It's a seesaw.One day DC is going to do something really stupid, and their Absolute series crashes and burns, leading to Marvel to outsell DC once more.The cycle will continue until the sun explodes.
>>153508015>More like the fans are literally impossible to appease.This must be the most retarded thing i heard someone said in this site.just a bullshit excuse from terrible writers who can't handle a bad critique, you working on the entertainment industry then develop hard skin on feedback.it has never been about "appeasing everyone" that's fucking impossible no matter in what medium you're working. but you need to at least make sure to appease the majority, and judging by the numbers that's certainly not the case.the >buh hur fans are impossible to appeaseis a bullshit excuse from bad writers who have given up on telling a compelling story and the only thing that move them now is rage baiting and engaging people on internet to feel like they are not completely incompetent at their jobs.luckily for them they don't have to actually put any effort into appeasing anyone since they survive on Disney adaptations money and they know it.
>>153508420Look I have hated marvel for as long as I can remember and even I know they tried their best but there was no fixing the main issueContinuity
>>153507630>an entire line of comics sells 1 million units in a year>this is a success in the current marketThe comic industry is dying.
>>153508441Lots of people like Marvel’s continuity for what it is The main thing that turned off so many readers was the constant retarded decisions and synergy Marvel was doing in the 2010’s.
>>153508420>This must be the most retarded thing i heard someone said in this site.I have literally seen anons admit that they will never be satisfied. Why should Marvel try to please someone who will never be pleased? Because it makes your dick hard to make people play deliberately unwinnable games?
>>153508824You mean retconning everything?Or raping everyone?
>>153508356Just like the batman who laughs. I remembered it had some popularity until it just vanished.
>>153505094Tom Brevoort I am going to slash your throat and make you pay for raping those girls. I am the sword of Michael, the EyE of Providence the Reeper of Weet U shall pay 4 uR sins
>>153505162ur Makriing the voices MAD your making the voices MAD FUCK!! I need to skin Nick Lows epidermis and itch the fiberglass
>>153507128He was too good for ASM, but he died for MJ, Peter, Eddie, Carnage and Torments sins.Blessed
>>153507143New leadership won't matter if the company line / manifesto(s) stay in place due to corporate culture, desu.Lowe was groomed by Brevoort to be the insufferable band kid he is.
>>153507589Eh, Absolute Wonder Woman is more faithful to the spirit of Diana's character than whatever the fuck Tom King is trying to do with her. But otherwise, yeah, I kind of agree.
>>153507648Nothing ever truly lasts, anon one day the universe will collapse in on itself or experience heat death.
>>153507651>comics deserve to dieAgreed.
>>153510333
>>153508015They are weirdly obstinate about NEVER undoing OMD even 20 years later.They ended Nu-Ultimate prematurely because they (Brevoort) got assblasted over USM BTFOing ASM 2-3.5x over in sales consistently over 2 yearsThey made Carol Danvers a totalitarian jackboot leading up to her film's release.Stephanie Phillips all but admitted she didn't give a fuck about Phoenix and was solely doing the book as a quid pro quo for Binary and Daredevil as demonstrated with her shitty treatment of CableMarvel keeps fucking over LCS with the blind bags damaging books and the "lol no refunds" bullshit so they latter aren't inclined to do THEM any favorsBrevoort like the arrogant retard he is went on his Substack and praised AI for how it will inevitably replace artists and writers that DC capitalized on the PR gaffe, Cebulski had to run damage control and Brevoort had to issue a fake PR non-apology and temporarily suspend said Substack because it alienated and pissed off ACTUAL artists and writers who fled to DC, Image, Skybound, Ghost Machine or other indies because they don't trust Marvel anymore
The Absolute Line saved DC. No matter your opinions on it, it was a success.
>>153508802I said I got the numbers wrong, spending too much time in this board with you morons must have affected me with your dumbassery.The Absolute line sold over 10 million units
>>153508224He would
>>153510432I read it and saidThis has nothing to do with 20 years of canonThen I looked to my side to the people who weren't reading weekly for 20 years and I understood why they like itSadly is a one trick pony and won't work again in 20 years just ask x men relaunches
>>153508441That's on them for doing dumb shit like One More Day and then waiting 3-4 years for One Moment in Time after Quesada's smarmy "It's magic--I don't HAVE to explain it." condescension without taking into account butterfly effect ripples like Kraven's Last Hunt or the baby.The drawn out convoluted bullshit of The Clone Saga.Lowe being a lazy fuck also screwed them as recently as the Zeb Wells run regarding since it was stated Paul and MJ were "mysteriously married", then he denied it on twitter saying it was an "oversight due to the holiday rush" and then he took exception for the repeated statement in narration that 4 years had pass in Paul's dimension when he spergged out when a fan asked if that means MJ is now biologically older than Peter and said it only FELT like 4 years (when its HIS job to vet this shit for consistency when he is literally to lazy to ensure clothing style/color consistency in the same damn SCENE from panel to panel.) Then there is how Deadly Genesis fucked Charles from ever being seen as heroic again in 616.Spider-Versity recently had Silk say she's in her 20s when she is older than Peter by a few years and should be in her early 30s since Brevoort said Spider-Man is roughly the same age as Cyclops who is in his late 20s. The OG Gwen Stacy (should) be alive again as Weapon X-31 since it was established in the Clone Conspiracy that ALL of the clones have the original souls in their bodies so thanks, Cavan Scott... but it's never addressed.
>>153508110>and whit washing norman osbornNo, stop blackwashing Norman Osborn. First that stupid cartoon, then artists drawing him with black people hair, it has to stop.
>>153510582>since it was established in the Clone Conspiracy that ALL of the clones have the original souls in their bodiesThat was supposed to be confined to just the specific cloning tech the Jackal was using in that one story. Marvel trying to retroactively apply it to every clone in every story is just more retarded crap from Zombie Marvel that should never have made it past an editor who was awake.
>>153510582Am not a marvel reader but I pay enough attention to know about one more day and secret wars were everyone turned out to had been a skrull this whole time making less than minimal sense for dozen of titlesWhen I read marvel at least since the disney take over all I sense is that the writers know as much of marvel as I do, the stereotypical DC reader who looks down on marvel
>>153510775Quesada was trying to outedge his butt buddies DiDio and Harras at DCThe only miracle that let JLA avengers happen was previous contractual papers both signed in the 90's before these retards rose to EIC power.
They should kill Carol Danvers to boost sales
>>153504163>fan favorite writer, Dan Slottthis dude keep flip flopping from loved by fans to hated by fans, now he's back to being loved i guess. lol
>>153510830George Perez was an angel and comic books are not the same without himI was simply never curious as how that ackward phase of killing and raping characters to create internet controversy was at marvel>>153510833Yes internet yes more character souls yes
>>153510474Yeah the success is in the simplicity. That you can just pick up a comic and read it. The "start at issue 1" conundrum that has plagued comic books is solved, because they can just start at issue 1. I mean I am aware that eventually it will get complicated the longer it goes on, and more difficult to get into, its what happened with original Ultimate. But for now, its a success because it's easy to get into. No bogged down bullshit comic book lore is needed.
>>153510977I think marvel sort of knew that x men is ready for a relaunch on 2026 after the Krakoa arc but I think they fumbled it at the starting line to many timesAm sort of ok with x men united if they execute it well
>>153510830You've got that the wrong way around, things like Identity Crisis were DC reacting to the 2000s edge of Quesada's Marvel. IIRC Harras was just in DC's reprints department in the 2000s, it was the 2010s by the time he was in a higher position.I think JLA/Avengers actually was something Quesada was influential in getting done, only to then be the guy who poisoned relations between Marvel and DC for 20 years.
>>153510582>The OG Gwen Stacy (should) be alive again as Weapon X-31 since it was established in the Clone Conspiracy that ALL of the clones have the original souls in their bodies so thanks, Cavan Scott... but it's never addressed.Zeb Wells contradict this seeing Gwen was brifely brought back by a celestial to peter as a reward
>>153511337Gwen also mentions her being away somewhere fror a long time thus dan slotts of clones having the original souls is thrown out completely out the window.
>>153503671Marvel is just garbage in both its top titles and its business practices.Spider-Man committed suicide with OMD and has listless and meandering ever since. X-Men, I don't read it but I've only heard fans say bad things about that line these days. The Absolute line was killed before it could even begin, and was fucked from the get go with the retarded 1 issue = 1 month gimmick.Those are their biggest ip, and they're going nowhere.The event books are both way too numerous and not exciting in the least.And then the constant renumbering just fucks up the interest any returning or new fan could have in Marvel.When people realize that a book they follow will only last for maybe a year at best, and most likely just be a miniseries, when they realize that new number 1's are actually just new arcs in a long running volume that's fucking impossible to follow, they realize that Marvel is just worse than DC right now.
>>153503671Congratulations, DC!
>>153511533This is such a Marvel-coded character.
>>153509027Imagine missing my point entirely just to keep being a smug retard.You know what, If only the 4chan user was the one complaining you may have a point but you know that's not the case, you can find the very same complains on sites like reddit, X, YouTube, etc. And people dropping the books in mass is clearly a signal of the 4chan being right.The stupid shit you are saying is the equivalent of a restaurant owner who couldn't handle receiving a bad critique once and started to shitting on everyone's food since then and when people leave he justifies himself saying "buh hur you cant please everyone, people will always find new things to complain"But since you seem to be an autistic retard obsessed with marvel fans you probably will miss my point again just to keep being a smug retard so I will take my leave and let you speak alone retard.
>>153511639And written by a former marvel employee
>>153510254Yes, it sure is a shame that my brother Paul is definitely dead for real. Fortunately, he had a very generous life insurance policy.
>>153505094>>153504476>marywhoreshittersLook at them and laugh.
>>153511533>>153511664DC needs to stop hiring the writers that helped kill Marvel.The only writer DC needs to raid left at Marvel worth raiding is Hickman
>>153503671Noooooo why didn't sheboon Iron Man, Hydra Captain America, Chink Hulk and Lady Thor sell????>those are all from ten years agoThen the fact I can't bring up a single current Marvel run should concern you
>>153512017>The fact that I can't name a single current Marvel run should concern youNigger you don't read comics. You followed some online controversial series back during the mid 2010s.And Lady Thor actually did pretty well sales-wise. Can you name a Marvel run from the past 20 years which isn't one of the culture war touch stones?
Turns out people don't give a shit about continuity and just want books that start with a #1 in a new universe.
>>153512157That's all been done before. It would have flopped if not for the art.
>>153512110NoUnless Gwenpool counts. I like Gwen
>>153511659>people will always find new things to complainYes. What makes you think that a habit you've developed over years of your life can be dropped so easily?
>>153511963They write better for DC
>>153512451So true, sister! A veritable TRVKE NVKE if you will!
>>153503671>DC Continues To Outsell Marvelyeah but isn't that all just from the Absolute universe
>>153512451No they don't. DC's just pairing them with better artists.
>>153507081I love that people think this is support and DC doing an epic takedown of Marvel when it's showing Prime being a toxic fanboy
>>153508280I would shit on them for not putting mutants in the camp and read punisherMaybe look into spider man if premise of the run is decent But at the end of the day Im firmly into dc,marvel atmosphere doesnt do it for me
>>153514113Taxidermy of the author
>>153514113His current attitude is significantly tamer than how he was 20 years ago.
>>153511533>Weird little homo goblin creature is hanging around with that little shit Klarion
>>153514308>he can't touch typeno wonder he's mad all the time
>>153507630>Absolute Batman is currently outselling most manga titles in North America the Absolute line as a whole sold more than 1 million units last yearMaybe compared to random josei titles but most of the the big shounen titles sell more in North America alone than Absolute Batman does worldwide.
>>153507143>Ultimate lineIt's wild how much Marvel failed to make it a success to the point it feels like they deliberately sabotaged it.
>>153514467>they deliberately sabotaged it.Again with conspiracy theory?
>>153514467Is a possibility a hijacked editorial process some newbie gets editorial mandate for whatever reason and manages to destroy spiderman simply by not caring
>>153507115If he were just gay then fine whatever but instead every time he appears now they have to stick a giant flashing neon IM GAY AS FUCK sign over his head.Also every gay character is in a relationship 100% of the time, usually with some unpowered normie, usually a liberal black guy. Relationships for hetero characters are only mentioned specifically when they're dating another cape on the same team. Like 200 x-men, about 180 of them are straight and of those 4 of those are allowed to be in an on panel hetero relationship with each other at any given time.
Was I supposed to take care of spider man and neglected it?How much power do this posts online really have?
>>153508110their lead writers on their main properties are a bunch of bums, mckay, north, gail simone, duggan, joe kelly, steve orlando. The got talent raided and they're working with left over scraps. The only decent writer they have left is al ewing.
>>153503671The OP of this thread is the famous child rapist, the Gwenschizo.
>>153514698I love how both Ewing and Kelly have to fix the fuck up of the wells run and are only coming out with mix results.
>>153515701That's what happens when you let your writers pander to people like Gwenschizo. He's toxic.
>>153503671I’m going to boil this thread down for anyone who hasn’t seen this thread before>sane anons shrug and aren’t surprised because Marvel is dull, boring, lazy shit now>Marvel shills try to downplay by saying comics don’t sell anyway so who cares>other Marvel shills insist any day now the Absolute line will crash and Marvel will magically go back to the top without doing anything different>spider-man thread fags bring in their bizarre lore with gwenschizo, Paul, and Poland shit that has no bearing on the threadThere. Just saved you from reading three hundred posts
>>153515749>bizarre lore with gwenschizo, Paul, and Poland shit that has no bearing on the threadGwenschizo is quite literally the OP of this thread. If the OP wasn't a clue, the *smug face* shit is already obvious. >>153505162
>>153515701At a certain point even a good writer can get lost in the weeds. This is a editorial/lowe issue.
>>153515749They've been in this position before multiple times. In the late 90s with Harras releasing a bunch of dull, go-nowhere comics, and the post-Secret Wars mess Alonso made after the mid-10s. It won't magically happen, but Marvel will probably figure out something yet again, even if it costs Cebulski his job as it did Harras and Alonso.
>>153514624Hello Prime
>>153514113>it's showing Prime being a toxic fanboyHim being "toxic fanboy" when Marvel has no equivalent independent of collab character to retaliate against him only disproves your own argument>inb4 multiverse refugee Gwenpool who admitted narrative defeat to Deadpool for possessing Gwen Stacy's clone who's currently alive running around as Gwenpool too
>>153516028>Marvel will probably figure out something yet again, even if it costs Cebulski his job as it did Harras and Alonso.Cebulski and Brevoort need to go, but the people at the time need to stop being complete jews and pay good writers and artists what they're worth. They're never going to have another run like Miller's Daredevil or Claremont & Byrne's X-Men if they pay third world-tier rates to everyone, and no royalty or creator incentives.
>>153507630>>153507779>>153510434/co/pe & seethe in piss/co/cksucker
>>153517471no bully
I'm glad that DC's putting out pretty solid books now. I read a lot of them and I enjoy them. It's not perfect, they still hire some people I don't think should be working in comics at all, but overall, they give me a lot of books to enjoy. I'm not so interested in Marvel right now despite being a much bigger fan of Marvel when I was a kid.
