What causes this? I can't recall more examples off the top of my head, but I swear I've seen badly drawn ties in a million cartoons/comics. Is this intentional? Do people don't know what a tie looks like?
Ties are gay
It's easier to draw like that rather than having the two ends come out of the top, and noone gives a shit.There are minor details of things which people do not pay attention to. This is one of those. And you don't focus on detailing the minor things that people won't pay attention to because it's a waste of time.
>>153507909not central to the plot
>>153507909I've read about loose ties being fashionable. It's to make the person seem less professional while looking a bit more casual. Sometimes intentional, sometimes not.
Seeing as we've gotten rid of all the other social clothes, why does the tie still exist?
>>153507947>and noone gives a shit.I do, this shit drives me up the fucking wall, because it takes zero effort to draw it the right way.
>>153507922Nope
>>153507909what the fuck are you watching OP?
>>153507909>Do people don't know what a tie looks like?How many people do you know who can tie a double windsor knot?
>>153508060Not many, but that's not an excuse. You don't need to know how to tie one to draw it correctly.
>>153508060I can but it looks like shit and I always fuck up with the length, I can do a half windsor in my sleep at least.
>>153508042In a few generations they'll go through the same feminization as high heels did
>>153507909Nobody wears ties
>>153508035>I do, this shit drives me up the fucking wallYeah but you’re a fucking autist>it takes zero effort to draw it the right way.It does not take zero effort to make a more detailed drawing. Even if it only takes you just 60 seconds to make the more detailed tie and match those details between each frame, 60 seconds of work at 12 frames per second for a 30 second shot you’re adding 6 hours of work to a job, just to add a detail that 99.9% of viewers aren’t going to notice.Everyone loves giving amateur or even professional animation shit for taking shortcuts, but people rarely seem to appreciate how critical these kinds of shortcuts are to getting projects completed.
>>153508830I think there's a difference between simplifying a design to make it easier to animate and outright drawing something the wrong way. Also, if adding 2 more sides to a shape is too much work for you there are better ways to cut corners, like pic related. Doesn't this look better?
>>153507909Be the change you wanna see, anon
>>153507909op have you ever been evaluated for autism
>>153507909Bad design upfront or in the process of inbetweening
>>153507947Yes, let's just drop our standards to save money and produce literal slop with the least amount of effort. The audience doesn't care, the animators don't care. The investors and the platforms don't care. No one cares about anything and effort is worthless.Details on a tree? What are you, a botanist? Just draw a green cloud on a brown stick, or some green triangles stacked atop one another. Who looks at trees in cartoons? Autists, that's who!Shoes? Pfft, just give them black ellipses for feet. Only weirdos care about that.Background art? Just use 3d, it's quicker and easier to reuse. No one cares about the backgrounds in cartoons.Why not just revert back to drawing stickfigures? They'll still get your point across. Youtube videos of stickfigures get billions of views, so it's not like people are above watching that shit.
>>153508035Draw it right now and post it.
>>1535098886 billion hours in mspaint
>>153509856Like most things in art and life, animation is trying to optimize three things - quality, speed, and cost. If you want it to be higher quality, it's not going to be cheap and it's not going to be finished quickly. And if you want it to be finished quickly or cheaply, the quality is going to take a hit.I'm all for animators doing higher quality work, but to do that they either need more time, more money, or both, and whether you're an independent animator or a studio animator, that's not always an option. Studios constantly expect more for less, animators do the best they can, but there only options most of the time are taking shortcuts or working themselves to death. Everyone loves to gush about how great western animation and anime were in the late 80s and early 90s, but they also gloss over the fact that most of the animators working on Disney, Bluth, and WB stuff in the 90s were working 70+ hour weeks, and guys at Ghibli, Gainax, Sunrise, IG, etc. were working more like 90+. Western animation studios had a crazy turnover rate in the 90s and Eastern animators were just stroking out or flinging themselves off of rooftops.If you want high quality animation you need to either accept that it's going to take a while or that you need to pay for a significantly size team to make the workload manageable. When Disney made Beauty and the Beast they had a team of ~600 animators working for two years to make ~1 million completed pieces of concept art, storyboards, roughs, keyframes, in-betweens and ~225 thousand finished cels. That's an average of 20 completed works per animator per week every week for two years. Compare that to Gafford's Fox project he's been working on solo for fifteen years. He's got maybe an hour of finished work at this point, and at 12 fps that works out to about 55 finished frames per week every week on average for fifteen years. Of course there's gonna be shortcuts, it's the only way a project like that gets made.
>>153507909This is literally how I tie my ties. Is this a bait thread or am I missing a visual that’s problematic here? Stop bitching about everything all the time!
>>153510762>This is literally how I tie my ties.You sicken me.
>>153509856*Cleverly dominates your thoughts away using my wall of text*
>>153507909You get the level of competence and reference use you pay for
>>153509475he is currently and the diagnosis is...Faggot.
>>153507909Fredryk Phox animated a Fox in Space using rotoscoped 3d models.It's at a point where I ponder what use is drawing over the models if it looks so 3d anyway?
>>153508060I can. It looks like dogshit, but I can do it
I don't even know what this thread is complaining about, except unless it is about the Mario tie looking like a flat texture.
>>153510033Isn't this the same?
>>153510762>This is literally how I tie my tiesProvide video evidence, because I'm pretty sure it's impossible to tie a tie to look like that.
>>153507922>cuts all ties with my loved ones cause that makes me gay
>>153508494>Fall asleep while masturbating>Wake up>Scream
Only yuppies actually know how to tie a tie. It's literally a modern man's leash. Wearing one makes you a dog.
>>153512833In OP’s pic they fudged how the neck loop tucks under the collar instead of referencing it. The redesign only uses the shirt collar and knot shape in order to avoid that issue, which uses fewer lines. A workable alternative would look more like picrel for shots where you can see that angle.
>>153509262>Doesn't this look better?No
>>153507909There's a lot of fatherless people which means there's a lot of people who didn't get taught how to wear a tie
>>153507909Causes what?Pedantically pointing out extremely minor details that absolutely nobody else in the world gives a fuck about?Autism. You have autism. Probably the low functioning kind if this is enough to bother you.
>>153514259Judging by op's pic it makes you a dragon turtle, not a dog
Ties are dog collars for humans.
>>153515688He's LITCHERALLY wearing a dark energy moon collar
If ties are so essential to society why aren't kids taught how to wear them around the same time they learn how to wear shoes?
>>153515730Because then how can you punish them for not knowing things they were never taught?
>>153508035>>153507909AI would fix this.
>>153515730In good schools they are
>>153515757
>>153507947>It's easier to draw like that rather than having the two ends come out of the topisn't OP's example cel-shaded CG, though? it's not like he'd have to redraw it every frame.ON THAT NOTE:>>153508295If not a lot of people wear it like that, why does it get to you that not a lot of people draw it like that?
>>153517536>If not a lot of people wear it like that,The double (full) Windsor is a bulky knot that's more complicated to tie than most other options. And so few people use that tie knot.>why does it get to you that not a lot of people draw it like that?All tie knots involve the knot wrapping around the part which goes around the neck. No tie knots have the knot sitting in front of a flat band of material that goes around the neck, as in OP's image. OP's image implies that the artist does not know how ties work in a basic sense.>isn't OP's example cel-shaded CG, though?It looks like 2D cels in front of a Phong shaded 3D background.
>>153508042Eeyup
>>153515699Yeah they’re hot
>>153507909>I still don't know how to tie a tie without looking it up>I'm nearly 30
>>153507909What an oddly specific thing to point out.
>>153507909are you seriously bothered by such a stupid and pointless thing or are you just messing around?
>>153507909they trace off of actors or 3d models and they have several frames to draw
>>153507909Is that Bowser? I thought Barry Butcher exposed his ass for doing that weird fart porn thing and tanked his reputation in the business world for it.
>>153521200i'd rather have this thread complaining about incorrectly drawn ties than some of the other shit that pops up on /co/at least this one is unique
>>153507909Do keep in mind this was just a quick side thing. They probably kept it simple so they weren't reanimating Bowser/Mario/Luigi too much...>>153512305Semi-Related.Alot of friends who was really into A Fox In Space seem to really dislike them moving to 3D Blender Rotoscoping.I'm kinda indifferent to it but I cant see how it leads to more stiff animation. Having them be a reference point is one thing but having to animate the 3D model and then rotoscope them will either lead to more static poses or having to lean more into blender and then bloating the workload when you trace the poses.I have faith they'll keep improving but I do find it interesting how many people seem to be against it.
autistic furry retard thread
>>153522368>Alot of friends who was really into A Fox In Space seem to really dislike them moving to 3D Blender Rotoscoping.Just compare his latest video with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEX44YC_CRMSure, it's far from perfect. It's not as fluid, but you know immediately it's traditional animation. The snappy movements actually add a lot of charm to it. Rotoscoping will always look off, especially if you trace 3D animation. He knows this as well, even if he likes to get defensive about it. That's why he used to only trace key frames and blurred images.
>>153520054They're a way of marking you as property. A tamed beast of burden.
How does a turtle even wear a collared shirt?
>>153525920That’s hot.
>>153525986You're pathetic. You might as well tattoo "WELCOME" on your face and lie down by the front door.
>>153526009Is that your fantasy?
