So now that they're married again and raising an adopted kid, how long do you think it'll take for Marvel to destroy them? We all know Marvel's attitude towards kids and married couples.
>>153508992As a gift, in case they wanna ruin it we will accuse them of pushing for anti natalist white genocide
>>153508992Why DO so many of Marvel's higher ups hate happy couples so much?
>>153509052Combination of muh status quo + their own bitterness (if they can’t be happy then no-one can) + some retarded need for heroes to be “relatable”
>>153509052High number of divorcees
>>153508992Well Strange fucked off to Asgard and got stranded while Clea is a nearly functional retard to make Wanda look better so I'd say there's a 70% chance Marvel shits on them for their own sick amusement>you liked Stephen and Clea? Haha fuck you the book is cancelled, Strange is no longer sorcerer supreme and Clea went back to the dark dimension. Oh and we'll say they have an open relationship in case we gotta justify Clea getting some new dick>>153509052Bitter old men who went through nasty divorces or they have shitty marriages
>>153509573Our main hope lies in the fact that you’re citing two instances of writers clearly indulging in their own dumb fetishes.Literally everyone in Wanda’s book is made a near-functional retard to make her look better, but it doesn’t always translate over to their original titles. Similarly, Humphries cannot write anything without mentioning being cucked, cucking, or polyamory in some way.If we’re lucky, future writers will completely ignore these incidents and pretend they never happened. Maybe we’ll even get some more foster parenting shenanigans before these two get separated again.
>>153508992Dormammu or Mordo or whoever brings Paul back as a demon with a massive cock to cuck Strange.
>>153508992that attitude is only with characters considered teenagers by default. Characters that were always old can stay married
>>153510097that did not stop marvel from splitting this couple up off-screen
>>153509635On the subject of Wanda's book, last year between solo book volumes they did a Vision & Scarlet Witch mini to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the story where they were married, a good deal of the plot is about getting them back together, even the villain is trying to rekindle their old feelings so he can then kill one in front of the other and make it hurt more, in the final issue they're finally a couple again, but then the book resets the status quo, ending with them apart and Vision not even remembering anything that happened beyond they teamed up and defeated Grim Reaper.Orlando went from celebrating their relationship to doing an interview for the current series where he talked about not wanting to get them back together, and upcoming issues are introducing some OC as a new love interest nobody asked for.This isn't like Spider-Man where they can hide behind some narrative of the characters are "about youth" and pretend being married ruins them, and they're characters the general public knows as a couple now, but the comics still won't do it.Expect Strange and Clea to get randomly broken up for no reason as soon as there's a new writer or editor that doesn't ship it or wants to pair one of them with someone else just to make you mad, because that's just how Marvel rolls.
>>153509635I swear marvel editorial needs someone to tard wrangle them and the writers 24/7 but no one is detached enough to want that job without bringing their own bullshit into it. Good point about writers hopefully ignoring shit going down in sorcerer supreme. I had hopes for Humphries going into New Avengers though and it sucks to be let down. Put Mackay back on Strange the man clearly does not give a fuck about Xmen. Idky they couldn't have Strange and Clea together on Asgard or sealed off from earth and having adventures across the universe with Donna and Bats.
>>153510338I mean they're still married and trying to reunite. It's something at least.
>>153508992I'm more curious if Clea is ever going to tell Stephen about their biological daughter Sofia
>>153510702She’s not their daughter canonically. Her backstory was changed before she ever saw publication.>>153510666>Put Mackay back on Strange the man clearly does not give a fuck about Xmen. Idky they couldn't have Strange and Clea together on Asgard or sealed off from earth and having adventures across the universe with Donna and Bats.Because we’re not allowed to have nice things, duh. I have mixed feelings about MacKay on Strange, but he’s probably the best modern writer for the job. Ewing is a fag who can’t get his head out of his ass, Waid is getting quite old and I hated his magical debtor shit, and the rest of the bullpen either seems to hate Strange for powerleveling reasons or just doesn’t know how to write him.I hesitate to say that MacKay *knows* how to write Strange, but he definitely shows the character more respect than most of the modern staff. His run is probably the best modern one, even ignoring the vomit-worthy interior art, and I hope he gets the ongoing back next.
>>153510446I'm not against Wanda having a new romance but that guy looks like a massive fag
>>153510877I just don't bother with comparing writers today with older writers as I'll come up disappointed. Mackay's the best Strange had in years and so I'll take it. He seems to want to do right by the character.
>>153511218>I'm not against Wanda having a new romanceAfter a whole mini building to getting her back wit Vision, this is a real dick move by Marvel, and the whole thing just looks more and more like there's entrenched editorial opposition to them being allowed to be together.
>>153511218There is only one man for Wanda.
>>153511315>I just don't bother with comparing writers today with older writers as I'll come up disappointed. Fair enough. I try to do the same. It’s just that Strange in particular is so near and dear to me that it’s hard. >He seems to want to do right by the character.Maybe so, but Aaron’s shadow looms large. The snakes and Bats are irritating, I wish they would go away. Ditto for all the stupid “magical community” stuff being pushed (W.A.N.D, Bar with No Doors, etc.). But MacKay adds enough interesting new stuff to compensate well enough. I just wish he was a little better with climaxes. General Strange deserved so much better than five issues and D&D therapy purgatory.
>>153512082>t.
>>153512082How big are Wanda's tits?
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>>153516326She's a big girl
>>153516349>>153516371Power Girl anons figure she's a K cup. Wanda's got to be like D or E here.
>>153509266More like many of them are single for life.
>>153509052They feel that stable and happy relationships are boring. They think relationship drama and characters having various love interests sell better. I don't agree but that's what they think.
>>153516830There's always a degree of variation from one artist to another, and how big they'll draw boobs in general. Perez was drawing Wanda consistently bigger than most of the other Avenger girls in the book at the time. John Byrne modelled Wanda on Julia Lyndon, a Playboy model who was an E cup.
>>153511531Anon I don't mind Wandavision but I don't care enough about Vision to be mad that they're not a permanent thing. They got a taste of a happy ending and now life moves on to Orlando and Chang's totally not gay oc.>>153512336Give it a shot anon. Those old stories are still there and there's always things to appreciate even if as a whole Strange in the 2000s is long away from his best days. I think if Mackay's run went to the end of 25 or so with Mackay having another 16 issues we'd have gotten better resolution for the General and Trinity of Ash plot. How'd you like those btw?
>>153517006Julia Lyndon had a great bush and now I will headcanon Wanda has a bush. I see Wanda as like E or F. Maybe as big as Felicia or just beneath her but not as top heavy as someone like PG obviously. Wouldn't mind her at G cups.Clea is a modest C cup.
>>153509052Not just marvel, but DC as well.The only reason why Bruce and Selina didn't get married was because Didio told King that they were going to kill Selina if they did get married to give Bruce angst, so King opted for them not getting married and Bruce angsting about that instead. And of course there was the Batwoman debacle and the entirety of new 52 where Animal Man was the only semi notable married hero.The nature of the big two is continuous stories and relationship drama is easy drama. Also a lot of editors and/or writers have had relationship/women trouble and they project themselves on the character eg Lobdell thinking men and women can't be friends due to his divorce hence him writing Dick and Kory as having had a bad fight/breakup.
>>153517541>Anon I don't mind Wandavision but I don't care enough about Vision to be mad that they're not a permanent thing. They got a taste of a happy ending and now life moves on to Orlando and Chang's totally not gay oc.This is like trying to justify Paul, anon. Would you say "life goes on" to justify that? These characters got broken up because someone a long time ago didn't ship it, somehow it's entrenched in Marvel editorial, and now they went from teasing fans with what they want to turning on a dime to "new OC love interest out of nowhere".If you personally don't care about the characters then maybe it's not an issue for you, but you know damn well it's another case of Marvel trying to make readers angry by keeping characters apart, and pair them up with other people as a blocking tactic, and they'll do it to characters you do like as much as they'll do it to ones you don't care about.
>>153517541Agreed, and those old stories are more than good enough to sate me whenever I’m in the mood. Still, though, can’t help pining lol. Hard not to when it's your favorite.I'm going to split up my answer to your questions into two posts that come after this because the character limit is fucking me in the ass. I'm writing them out as we speak. Please forgive my loquacity; I have been itching to talk to someone about this stuff for ages but nobody at my LCS likes Strange enough to talk about his good stuff, let alone the shittier new books. It does not help that his movie version is played by Cumberbatch (who outright scares me and is completely unrelated to why I like Strange). It carries certain associations that kind of make it hard for anyone to take me seriously when I express sincere enjoyment of the comics. ;-;>>153517633I wonder how much would change if, somehow, only married and/or child-having comic writers were allowed to write. I doubt it'd be enough to fix everything, but it would certainly be interesting.
>>153517576>and now I will headcanon Wanda has a bush.She's actually one of the small number of Marvel heroines where an artist got to canonize that she doesn't. When artists manage to get something that lewd past editorial, we should respect it as essential entry-tier character lore.>but not as top heavy as someone like PG obviously.Marvel doesn't really have a Power Girl equivalent as their designated Biggest Boob Woman though, just things like Hulk women who are over a foot taller than everyone else, so everything about them is big.>Clea is a modest C cup.I'd see Clea as being about the default bust size for a comic book heroine, bigger than the average normie woman, but not noticeably big by heroine standards.
>>153516862They tried that with og gwen stacey. The fans grew to hate her and celebrated when she died. What makes them think people pick up comics to see what they are escaping from or hate?
>>153517541>How’d you like General StrangeProbably one of the coolest concepts in decades, executed… I don’t want to say poorly. Oddly? Anticlimactically. There were so many incredible ways the War of the Seven Spheres could have been tackled. I was going to write out a bunch of ideas off the top of my head here, but character limit says nay. Everything MacKay did amounted to the least subtle, arguably most boring option.The character overall was good— it’s incredibly hard to get an “evil Strange” wrong for a variety of reasons, and the perfect backstory was handed to MacKay on a silver platter— but he seemed to be in an awkward middle-ground between too edgy and not edgy enough. General Strange literally feasted on babies and did all the rote villain shit of decrying his past self’s “weakness,” which I didn’t like, but he was also very clearly a broken man and remained conflicted over Clea enough to give him an interesting weakness, which I did like.His design kind of sucked, reminds me heavily of Earth-X Namor for no good reason and has a shitty palette, but I can’t tell how much of that is due to the interior art being bloody diarrhea versus General Strange having an actual bad design. I get that him looking like a grotesque hodge-podge is part of his character, but it’s not creepy enough to be intimidating and not well-coordinated enough to be cool. Fucking love that third eye though, if the rest of the design had emphasized that kind of “not human but human-looking” aspect the third eye introduced it’d have been great. It got a little close with the claws.Fuck, apparently I can't even fit what I had to say about General Strange into this message. I guess I care about him way more than I thought. Give me another reply...
>>153517871(seriously, why is /co/'s word limit only 2000? Seems ridiculously small for a board so littered with fanfic and writing prompts.)I'd like to go on about the design for longer, but the art is seriously so bad (and so sparse since he's only appeared in 9 issues) that I can't make out any other consistent design features. Has General Strange got gloves? No clue. Is he wearing one shoe or none at all? Beats me. None of the variant covers depicting him render the guy beneath his torso, nor do they ever show his hands without magic glowy bits covering up the details, so I can't really say much more on that.The actual plot he was a part of is maybe the oddest part about him. It seemed a bit haphazard. The build-up to General Strange's reveal was good, but the man himself didn't get to do much. Most of his battles were ended by third parties, so Dr. Strange didn't get to show off and General Strange just used knives and teleportation to end conflicts as opposed to super cool magic refined over the course of several millennia. Which sort of defeats the purpose of General Strange specifically being from the War as opposed to some alternate dimension. The War itself was also extremely boring to witness-- just a bunch of people using borderline medieval weaponry in very normal looking landscapes, quite possibly the worst interpretation of "Magical Marvel warfare" yet-- although I did like the steadily declining narration and the general concept of the whole thing. Some other various nitpicks-->Umar marrying for "the sake of safety" was very odd (and her creating another heir even moreso). Seemed out of character for her to tie herself to a D-list sorcerer, even if he did end up conquering a different dimension.>Why did Umar let Strange and Clea babysit Donna so often if the entire point of Donna was to prevent her turning out like Clea did? Really bugged me.>D&D therapy is really really stupid. At least give him a proper party.
>>153517541(TL;DR for the General: Fucking cool concept, executed in a very straightforward and boring manner. Extends to the plot he starred it. Questionable character design, but I want to see more of it. Also fuck Mysterium.)>How'd you like the Trinity of Ashes plotStrange allying with the Trinity to take down the General... I suppose it was a little interesting. I was personally a bit bored by it. Strange has been stuck in a loop of channeling dark magic/losing his white magic/fucking around until he can get it back for nearly 40 years now. This occurrence had a little bit more thematic relevance due to the War, but otherwise it was no different to him channeling Zom to beat Hulk (still bullshit btw) or the Blood Bible in New Avengers. Except killing the Justice League was cooler visually.I have never been a fan of this. I don't even like the Gillis run, which is maybe the only solid execution of this idea, because this kind of plot shifts the characters themes away from utilitarian (yet heroic) sacrifice and more into slippery-slope subjective morality stuff. It's not outside of Strange's wheelhouse, he can definitely tackle that kind of stuff, but it's not what I like him for and it's such a radical status quo changer that it has that NOTHING WILL EVER BE THE SAME effect and makes you stop caring instead of hoping Strange finds a way out of this mess. (It's also been so horribly overdone for so long, in such soft ways, that any impact it could've had has been lost. Especially after Hickman had him murdering billions, if not trillions, with it.)I would have liked to see Strange use more of the Trinity's magic. As I mentioned before, he only had one battle with them and was stabbed too quickly to do more than fire off some black zappy bolts and act bloodthirsty. With this cool phantom limb thing they seem to be doing now, I would have loved to see some strangling bowties or gaping maws of toothy flesh.
Okay, phew, I think I'm done. Sorry about that.I'm trying my hardest to be positive. There are a lot of good ideas in MacKay's run. There are even some okay executions-- issues #6, #8, and #11 were maybe my favorites-- but the run overall suffers from death by a thousand cuts. It's just the closest Strange has been to outright good in his own ongoing in decades, so I'm inclined to like it much more. There seems to be this very strange and ingrained resentment towards the character from a lot of writers (even excluding the comics-- just look at Multiverse of Madness), so seeing Strange written by one of the very few people who seems to have escaped that weird distaste for him was a refreshing treat.I haven't been following the Asgard stuff, it sort of gave off that "great idea boring/bad execution" aura that MacKay's worse issues had. Checking it now seems like I didn't miss much. Why is Angela getting so much screen time? Does anybody actually like her in Marvel?Anyways, I hope he gets back to Earth and into the hands of a better writer (or just MacKay again) sooner rather than later.
>>153517834they don’t think far ahead enough to realize people hate it
>>153517833That was a decade ago and milf with a bush Wanda is hotter to me.
>>153517871General Strange's design is in a weird spot where I don't hate it and don't love it. It's okay and could be better but also much worse. I wondered if the endgame of that plot was General sacrificing himself for Stephen or them merging together. As for his skillset yeah I think the buildup was great but the delivery and showing off of his capabilities was underwhelming. I liked the magical bombs he made earlier in the story though. Regarding Umar & Tiboro's wedding I believe it was just for the sake of additional power against a deadly new threat and Umar lets Clea and Strange see her often since she knows Donna is safe with them.
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>>153518271Anon you're spot on about the resentment. I felt it with Hickman and Aaron and Waid and Orlando who seems to be catering to Scarlet Witch fans who are mad she isn't Marvel's main magical hero. Its weird. Mackay and Cates seemed to be the only ones who liked the guy.
>>153518664It is absolutely bizarre, and I can only assume it stems from a combination of Strange being relatively paternal (we all know how modern writers tend to feel about their fathers) and/or the fact that his power level is so ridiculously up-there when he's at his best that he's very hard to write. There's this pervasive obsession with making things "realistic" or "grounded" that's been gripping the zeitgeist for a while now, and a consequence of that seems to have been tarring every "overpowered" character with the "bad" brush. Not sure if that's the cause of this, but that might explain why even writers otherwise unfamiliar with him (who are writing movies, TV cameos, extended media) might instinctively go after the guy like they seem to.There's also the fact that his entire character centers around the idea of a bad man acknowledging his flaws, admitting that he was a bad person, and changing for the better... that might get under some more insecure types' skins. Scarlet Witch getting in the way isn't very fun, either, but seems tangentially related outside of the comics. Within them, it is mostly just Orlando being Orlando at the moment. If it really was butthurt over Wanda not being top (magical) dog, I feel Clea (and now Wong because synergy) would not have gotten nearly as much spotlight as they've been given over the past few years. Clea especially got an entire miniseries dedicated to her in a situation where Wanda could have arguably taken her spot-- if Scarlet Witch fans were the main problem, would that have ever happened?
>>153518516>It's okay and could be better but also much worse....considering Wanda's new love interest, you're probably right.>I wondered if the endgame of that plot was General sacrificing himself for Stephen or them merging together.Ooh, that latter possibility would've pissed me off something fierce. "Beat the enemy by stooping to their level," great theme for an arc about a child-murdering warlord lol.
>>153516326As big as you’d like ‘em to be
>>153519662At least this big
>>153518913Stephen and General Strange merging is not really out of the realm of possibility for comic endings lol. How readers feel about it will obviously shift from person to person. Before we knew Mackay's run would end right after Blood Hunt I thought that was a very likely part of the end for that run.
>>153519697Doctor Voodoo sucks those
>>153512082Wanda's hair curls turns me on
>>153508992Haven't touched marvel in over a year but hasn't Wanda stolen all of his shit? I think I saw some Strangefags complaining of that a couple months ago.
>>153521196Jim you don't even work for Marvel anymore, everyone else ignored your crackshipping.
>>153523057Yes, she’s currently using his cape as an ass-warmer while we speak
>>153522933That's your twin sister, Pietro. Calm your incestuous dick down.>>153523210Hey fuck you dude not everyone was ready to give poc on poc love a chance. >>153523613GIWTWM
>>153509052>>153509251>>153509266>>153509573>break up with gf>suddenly want to start reading sappy "happily ever after" storiesmaybe i'm the retard
>>153523737no, you’re well-adjusted instead of bitter and spiteful
>>153523613>she’s currently using his cape as an ass-warmer while we speakshe farts into that thing when no one is around. the cloak isn't sure if that's better or worse than when Strange was dead and Clea would masturbate while crying then wipe herself with it. it misses Stephen. He was a bro who never farted on it or masturbated into it.
>>153523812Silly anon, witches and sorceresses don't fart, pee or poop.
>>153508992While we're here can we replace 616 Nico Minoru with 6160 Nico Minoru ?
>strangefags can’t even have their own threads without getting derailed and taken over by wandafags
>>153510666The irony is that beneath all the virtue signalling, comic book company management is the textbook definition of old boys' club. You're never going to get the rot cut out because the only old farts dedicated enough to keep hold of senior positions in the funny pictures business are the kind of old farts who revel in this dumb bullshit.Case in point, Brevoort.
>>153517633selina is for the streetsbruce should never marry, rare didio W
>>153524687kek someone get Bendis
>>153524827And Lady Shiva is for me.
>>153524910Damian she'd eat you alive
>>153524687wandafags are pure psychos
>>153517541nta but that entire run is just this
>>153525111Literally living the dream.
>>153525203how do you like your women
>>153525111Stephen wants a classy wife. Clea's dark dimension upbringing has her wanting to unga bunga murder the fuck out of their enemies constantly. The sex must be fascinating.
>>153525900The worst part about the new runs is that we never get to see it.
>>153509251>need for heroes to be “relatable”>happy couples in a lasting relationship isn't relatableMarvel editorial is brain dead.
>>153526247We must have hope >>153526956We've known this for yearsSince this is a Strange thread post an underrated Strange moment in the murky waters of the 2000s
>>153526956They dont want relatable. They want anger and to upset their auduence.Some obvious paid demoralization propoganda and pure naked spite is in there too. Its not for the audience. Its for themselves abd their disney owners.
>>153527017Does using The Oath count as cheating?
>>153527075climax was better
>>153527028Yes, you understand. It's all about producing negative emotions for the insane demon god who rules over reality to feed upon.
>>153527764That insane demon god's name? SHUMA-GORATH
>>153528311It's Lord Moloch, actually. He is the only god, because He ate all of the others.
>>153510097Only case that comes to mind is Reed and Sue.
>>153517807Quesada and Wells were bitter divorcees.Brevoort is married but I get the sense he's miserable and hates his wife given how he cannot have a single normal interaction with even benign interactions e.g. "What is your favorite Spider-Man costume in 616?" without being a weirdly abrasive and condescending asshole about it.
>>153517834Gwen was considered bland even before that though and her most notable personality trait hating and (wrongfully) blaming Spider-Man for getting he dad killed kind of mad it impossible for their relationship to meaningfully progress because when he even TRIED arguing Spidey's case she flew into a rage about never dare suggesting such a thing again.Only interesting that came from that melodrama was when she allied with a card carrying Neo-Nazi who casually dropped hard "R"s and anti-Mutie sentiment because "Fuck Spider-Man he's a MuRdErEr...!!!"But Editorial tries to memoryhole that for their precious Saint Gwen revisionism (while also forgetting George Stacy died between Ben and Gwen) but nobody gives a shit about him, I guess...
>>153528311It's Gargantos now actually
>>153528588and even they got split up almost immediately after Lee/Kirby were off the booksand again in the 90s
>>153526956>implying they have brains to kill
>>153525878Straight from the root of evil itself actually, I'm just happy for Strange to see the apple hasn't fallen far from the tree.
>>153528773>Only interesting that came from that melodrama was when she allied with a card carrying Neo-Nazi who casually dropped hard "R"s and anti-Mutie sentiment because "Fuck Spider-Man he's a MuRdErEr...!!!"I see Gwen was up to some serious shit in the 6 months between her father's death and her own.
