>>153510257
I hate how OP is allowed to post his faggotry.

>>153510257
Those people are morons who care more about their status than merit, They think things like John Lasseter isn't talented cause he hugged a woman.

>>153510257
Bait, but I'll bite:
It isn't just the predatory/pedophilia nature of this clown. But how he's legitimately part of the problem with how the industry is shit (or shittier) these days. The only reason the first two R&S seasons work is because he and the guys who did the later seasons worked well together. And given their later attempts at trying to do their own takes of the series (John with APC; Paramount with the shelved reboot, much less the Games seasons), even that feels like a fluke than anything else. Everything else this guy has done is marred by his shit animation, shit taste in humor, and his even worse attention to schedules.

>>153510257
I hate how people imply he’s only hated for being a predator and not for being a one-tricky-pony whose main claim to fame is producing like 7 episodes of an extremely basic “cat and dog” cartoon before being fired for having a dogshit work ethic and generally being a complete fucking asshole behind the scenes.
These people choose to think he’s a genius because he has some good critiques of the animation industry while also largely making nothing but shit. The Ripping Friends and George Liquor went absolutely nowhere and every pitch he ever made sucked donkey balls.

He’s the definition of a man who can very well dish out criticism and analyze animation, but cannot for the life of him produce something worth a damn. Like a YouTuber, his autistic hyperfixation supersedes any actual ability he has to practice what he preaches in this critiques. Ren and Stimpy only happened because Nickelodeon execs pointed to the cat and dog in his George Liquor pitch and said “make it about them.” Then he proceeded to just copy a bunch of things that already existed and pretended he made an original show that revolutionized the industry, when really it was just the first in a new string of creator-driven shows brought on by the successes of late-80s animation like Roger Rabbit and The Simpsons.

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>>153510388
OP, just take it to chatgpt if you want conversation. Samefagging isn’t the same.

Guy should be here any second now...

>>153510257
He wasn’t just a predator, he was extremely unpleasant to be around and work with by all accounts. He just seems like a jackass and probably went after underage girls in part because they’re naïve enough to put up with his bullshit unlike most adult women.

His correct statements such as? I can think of few very broad things that aren’t John K exclusive wisdom in the first place. You do know most people usually argue against his claim, then denounce his credibility since he only used his position in animation to do a le raep and take advantage of kids? The argument isn’t usually hes wrong for being a bad person, especially considering he has a sizable fanbase that still exists of retards like you.

The only thing he ever made after Ren and Stimpy that was any good we’re those Old Navy commercials. And the only reason those were good was probably because the Old Navy marketing team told him he couldn’t make the ads about his dad or have characters drinking pus out of pimples or whatever deranged crap he wanted to do.

>>153510257
His cartoons post stimpy where ass and hes a sad pedophilic sack of shit that is only good at complaining
Biggest example of a hack fraud we have in the last 30 years but R&Sfags will never let it go

>>153510257
I always knewed Reed Richerds was a diddler

The problem is that even if you try to ignore the pedo shit his interviews and blogs are still 40% good info and 60% him having sperg outs about stupid shit or talking about how some ugly old plush toy of Top Cat is more appealing than anything produced since.

>>153510356
You’re gay.
>>153510388
How many extremely bitter messages have you written like this?
>>153510455
Katie Rice personally helped teach his “bullshit” to a whole generation of artists with no apparent qualms. The self-serving feminism came in later.

>>153510831
That’s funny since shows like Hazbin seem to have taken after his critiques of toys while designing their successful plushes and other merchandise. His rants about Top Cat helped produce the world you live in and take for granted.

>>153510726
Doesn’t look like him.

>>153510257
If he was more professional in the work place and treated people better, he would still be in the animation industry. He could have made friends with powerful people had he been professional and they would have made sure he had a job for life. They would have protected him, even make sure to erase the sexual misconduct cases against him. But since he wasn't professional and he treated people bad, they never gave him protection, to them he is expendable and unimportant.

>>153510257
He should have kissed more Jew ass, he wouldn't have been denied. Look at what they did to Michael Jackson, he bad mouthed the Jews, so they made him a joke until he died.

>>153510496
Pretty much all of his commentary about 80s animation and how toy infested it was back then are 100% correct and are common criticisms that were made by other animators and creators back then too.

>>153511835
No.

i only started hearing claims that everything good about ren and stimpy was down to bob camp after the allegations surfaced, which doesn't exactly make me feel like they come from a place of good faith

>>153511783
John believed in sincere relationships. Ren and Stimpy aren’t together for money or even always being happy about it. What you expect goes against his values and the values of many of his fans.

>>153510257
I don't care that he's a predator I care that he hasn't made a single cartoon I've liked and that if anything he's more responsible for gross out gore like Family Guy becoming popular.

People talk about how he revolutionized the industry because his show was creator-driven, but they forget that it was Nick that had the very idea to do this in the first place. Doug and Rugrats are just as important
>b-b-but Ren and Stimpy was the most popular so it had the biggest impact
This is true but it’s not like John was the reason the industry went in this direction.

If anything, he FUCKED it by taking too many liberties at Nick’s expense, which led to them tightening creator control on all their projects moving forward. It was his gross mismanagement and shitty behavior that led to networks being more restrictive. They didn’t have this problem with Doug or Rugrats, or even Rocko which also pushed boundaries a bit more.

There’s nuance. Not everything John did was gold, nor was all of it bad. He’s just not the “punished innocent artist” he always tried to portray himself as.

>>153511935
You basically weren’t allowed to say anything bad about John before then, lest you wanted fanboys getting on your ass about it. The allegations made it possible to criticize him.

>>153511922
Yes. Look where he is now. Nowhere. He should have taken the money and shut his hole and do what he was told. Therefore, he would have had a job for life. And he blames mental illness for his problems.

>>153510882
Feminism had nothing to do with it. It was the Jews that run the industry, he should have made friends with them had he done that, he would be protected from allegations of sexual abuse. They would help him erase it.

>John K: be a creepy weirdo dickhead pervert who always delayed R&S episodes if he didn't like certain frames
>/co/: IT WAZ DA JOOOOOOOOOOOZ

>>153512043
People said bad things about John all the
time. They were just usually bitter, stupid nonsense that eventually evolved into extremely bitter nonsense like >>153510388

What you mean is that they couldn’t say bad things that were CORRECT. They hated that reality is tough and adjusting to the truth is difficult, and supported anybody who would tell them an easy gay lie instead.

>>153510257
>I hate how people use him being right about some things to deny that he's a shitty person to interact with in literally any capacity

>>153512920
Everybody’s doing it. They’re all making and watching shows influenced by John’s work and blog.

Your issue is with a nonChristian approach to accusations - you’ll remember that people brought this same energy to the whole Catholic Church, I didn’t accept it was wrong to interact with church hierarchy either.

>>153510257
Repeating advice he copied from better animators doesn't make him the one true prophet of cartoons, you disingenuous retard.

>>153510388
The extremely rare "Fourth Post Best Post."

>>153511899
>This thing that everyone thinks is trashy and made to push merch on kids is BAD
>WOW HE'S SUCH A VISIONARY! HE SAVED CARTOONS! WE OWE THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY TO THIS ONE GUY WHO SAID THE THING EVERYONE (even the people working on those cartoons) HAVE SAID FOR YEARS!!!
That's it. That's John K's amazing legacy of deep, meaningful cartoon insight. Extra funny too, since R&S made tons of money off being a merch-heavy show lmao

>>153513233
But Peter can be the true pope and the church founder because he heard the words of Jesus from nazareth...

Some times is just repeating like a parrot

>>153513196
>They’re all making and watching shows influenced by John’s work and blog.
That doesn't mean he's not an asshole.
>Your issue is with a nonChristian approach to accusations
No, my issue is with people pretending he's not an asshole.

John was a visionary and truly ahead of the curve.
It would take at least 20 more years before every self-absorbed e-celeb animation enthusiast would be cancelled for grooming teenage fans over Discord. He did it before anyone else.

>>153511964
The reason Ren and Stimpy are together changes every episode. If you ever watched the fucking show, you would know that instinctively.

>>153510257
Yeah, but was kinda shit at making cartoons despite his technical knowledge. It's like Gordon Ramsey burning scrambled eggs.

>>153513233
>Boil
>>153513396
I care about intellectual substance, not name calling. I think people should grow out of that and gain bigger insight into their own feelings.
>>153513313
Actually on 00s internet people would get shocked at the idea that 80s He-Man and Transformers were bad toy commercials.

>>153513473
Ok moment of honesty here there is nothing technically wrong with his cartoons, they obey cartoon rules and are funny to watch as in an animator he has it, as an artist he has the talent

What he doesn't has is our patience and tolerance

Like Mozart but more pedo

>>153510257
My hot take is that Kricfalusi's ideal image of animation production; one that is storyboard and animator driven that locks out writers and producers, is why American animation is in the current job creep state it's in now.

He's a talented artist, but he wasn't the right guy to lead the charge in making the American industry better in a post-outsourcing environment.

>>153511899
>Pretty much all of his commentary about 80s animation and how toy infested it was back then
Anyone who actually thinks that's a legitimate criticism of 80s animation can be safely laughed off as a moron who knows nothing about anything.

>>153513547
Outsourcing is bad but even if John or anybody else were perfect at their jobs, there was nothing against executives that would’ve “proved them wrong” and made them stop outsourcing. Outsourcing and the disgusting greed of the entertainment industry are not problems that artists could have stopped. The problem is much larger than that:

>>153513480
>I care about intellectual substance, not name calling. I think people should grow out of that and gain bigger insight into their own feelings.
What intellectual substance? It doesn't matter what skill or knowledge he has if he's deliberately mean spirited to people around him. His ego certainly isn't "intellectual substance," it is in the fact the opposite. And his work certainly doesn't have a lot of intellectual substance, being by and large crass gross out humor that even children rapidly find tiring. Any substance he has is more than offset by his attitude, the way he treats others, his own poor work ethic and lackluster output. Ignoring the bad parts of him to glaze the good parts is itself lacking intellectual substance.

>>153513635
Hello LioConvoy Reviews.

>>153513480
You're full of shit as always, Guy. Do you ever get tired of being wrong, or is this fun for you?

>>153513517
Amadeus was just a movie

>>153513693
> It doesn't matter what skill or knowledge he has if he's deliberately mean spirited to people around him.
Childish/autistic manchild attitude. “I quit my job because my manager is Mean” is a great path to poverty.
>glaze
That’s for the people who don’t care about intellectual substance, only social status. Nasty slang.
>>153513677
John made big waves among executives to the point that they were screaming they didn’t want him to decide the Nickelodeon brand.

>>153513517
>>153513547
John's artstyle and signature animation gimmicks are distinct and you could immediately tell when he was actually doing the animating. At the same time, I don't think any of it is truly so amazing and so revolutionary that he deserves some special considerations when appraising his whole body of work. Besides, Looney Tunes did all of it first, and better.

Also, whatever special sauce he used to have has long since run out. Look at the Simpsons couch gags he's made since becoming an industry pariah. He's lost all sense of design, weight, impact, and style. He draws like he's some kind of cartoonist Picasso, intentionally doing things wrong, because that's subversive and high brow.

>>153513812
>faggoty questions
Personal harassment beyond 1 instance means emails. Here’s your warning before all the industry folk sweat about my brain
>>153513904
You go by superficial impressions instead of philosophy and analysis.

>>153513915
It's really cute that you pretend to be an academic intellectual while you spend all your time slinging faux-pithy insults and impotent jabs at random people on 4chan during the dozenth "John K is a huge retarded faggot" thread.

Go on genius boy. Analyze for us. You badly seem to think you have intelligent things to say. Why don't you? You can engage with real smarty pants philosophy and analysis, can't you?

>>153513904
From my humble perspective growing up with all the mtv generation of animators his shit stands out

You inmediatly think that's a cartoon

>>153514071
Eh... Peter Chung was better. Lot of liquid television animators were doing more interesting things than John K's "looney tunes but gross and more angry" shtick.

>>153514034
>fag melts down
Ok emails
>>153514358
These kinds of superficial takes are for normie discussions, not animation enthusiast discussions. Gays also love to bring up “anger” but audiences loved Ren’s angry moments.

>>153510257
Can I dismiss him on account of him being a hack whose work has only degraded since RaS

>>153514562
No because your opinions are socially generated and you don’t have the intellectual discipline to compare doodles and outlines to network-funded whole episodes.

>>153510455
This. He was only outed as a predator well after his career was already over.
People stopped working with him because he couldn't adhere to schedules or budgets and he was, on all accounts, awful to work with. And after R&S, his output was complete dogshit, so people were even less prone to put up with his bullshit than they were before.

If John K was as talented as he and his sycophants seem to think, he would have been able to scrape together some semblance of a respectable career after the 90s instead of being stuck doing ads for Old Navy and shit.

>>153514597
Nice cope

>>153514358
Is not being the best animator is that sense that you were watching a cartoonist do it's thing is like when they were showing anime and you could tell anime, of all those mtv styles john k has to be the most prominent this days cartoonists imitate it the most, and is logical they do he was imitating others and was a part of the united states animator system

>>153514893
what in the word salad fuck is this?

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>>153514597
>retard has a melty and starts sputtering about some schizo shit
Never gets old. Tell us again about how you're such a philosopher and you only care about intellectual analysis?

>>153510257
nothing he ever did has ever been unusual until like 2012 at the absolute earliest.

>>153514928
Exit to the left

>>153514893
>of all those mtv styles john k has to be the most prominent this days cartoonists imitate it the most
No one is imitating John K's style at all though. What the fuck are you talking about?

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>>153510257
Talented guy but shouldn't have been in charge of a cartoon production
the only thing he should be in charge of is drawing cute girls bouncing up and down.

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>>153515160
You know he is a pioneer in this flash style of digital coloring

>>153511223
Yeah that's what they said about mustachio too yet here we are

>>153515160
Lmao full gay deranged delusion
>>153515101
Keep racking up penalties manchild >>153515273
Coomer moment

>>153515685
Shut up, intellectual. Retards are talking.

>>153514597
>your opinions are socially generated
Yes? What’s wrong with that? What’s wrong with communicating with other human beings off the internet and gaining a more informed perspective on the world? This isn’t about John K anymore. This is about you admitting you’re an antisocial curmudgeon who’s failed at the real world.

>>153515606
Not even the same hair color.

>>153515818
Guy likes to pretend he's smarter and better than everyone else and that there's some kind of conspiracy where people get the wrong opinions (one's he doesn't like) because someone else is forcing people to believe the wrong things. He is desperate for (You)'s either way, so it is better to laugh at his face and tell him his art is garbage.

>>153515846
Yeah that's what they said about the human torch yet here we are

>>153510412
You're a retard if this is all samefagging.
>>153510882
>How many extremely bitter messages have you written like this?
And you? Is that your life in a nutshell? Do you tell your family they're pathetic faggots for having opinions that don't align with yours? How have the mods not raped and b& you yet? Tripfags and namefags are a cancer.

>>153514838
This, the man already garnered more than enough hate and distrust by virtue of his work ethics. Cans without Labels took 7 years for something that looks more like it was shat out in 2 weeks.

>>153516236
The guy has his place in animation history, but anyone who pretends like he was some superstar God of animation who singlehandedly saved the entire medium from the toy commercial dark ages is a drooling retard. Especially if they cite his blog as some kind of important touchstone for the whole industry.

First few times we had these threads, there were a bunch of retards going on about how great and how important they believed John K was. I'm glad more people have finally realized what an overhyped faggot he was this whole time.

>>153516560
>Especially if they cite his blog as some kind of important touchstone for the whole industry.
Equating this with your previous sentence proves a dishonest and manipulative mind.
>>153518500
Lol it’s obvious the gay side of animation twitter is active on the topic right now. They all hate anybody unlike themselves.
>>153515854
You can’t laugh at my face without actually reading my stories and looking at my art. Since you’re too gay and illiterate to do those things you’re getting off on insulting a strawman.
>>153515818
Because there isn’t the freedom of thought to change one’s views without getting their whole social group involved to create a new consensus. Takes a lot more than simply coming up with right and nuanced takes.

>>153518500
Anons are super easy to influence. When some egotistical retard tells them that they are very smart or talented, they believe them.
Works both for narcissistic artists as well as politicians.

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>>153510296
>John Lasseter's talent on display

>>153514864
Nice arrest

>>153510257
Even if he weren't a predator, it's not like he's made anything good in a very long time. Tonthe point it's reasonable to assume that whatever good he has made was probably a fluke.

>>153519618
If you're going to repeatedly reply to the same posts over and over, at least try to say something of substance instead of this schizoid retard act you mistakenly believe is the least bit convincing or intelligent.

Your stories, art, and writing fucking suck, Guy. You're an incoherent, subhuman faggot.

>>153510257
He was always wrong, mean-spirited, and made hideously ugly cartoons that were unfunny.

Tourists love him for shitting on the "cal arts" style, but he was actually referring to the good art styles that came from the golden age of 2D animation between the 80s-90s. He shat on Sinbad, Prince of Egypt, Iron Giant, Land Before Time, NIMH, and Anasthasia for looking appealing and realistic.

He also shat on his team too ajd missed deadlines. "Tell it how it is" assholes have never right, but people like you mistake assholerly and unprofessionalism for wisdom.

>>153510257
>You create a beloved animated comedy show, but does anyone call you "Comedian, John K"? No. You create a successful animation studio, but does anyone call you "Studio Executive, John K"? No. But you sexually harass one teenager...

>>153513547
I'll even argue that other creatives managed his production model with far more consistent results and far greater success
>Genndy Tartakovsky
>Craig McCracken
>Danny Antonucci
>David Feiss
>Bruce Timm
All creators that handled the Ren and Stimpy board-driven style better and more consistently without glaring compromises in animation quality. The system wasn't busted, it was John's control of the system that was busted.

Pshhhh... if you ask me..? Nigga Was An APEX PREDATOR.

>>153510257
No, I use his shitty portfolio to deny that he was any good. Most of his work has been shit, it's like defending the entirety of One Piece because you liked one arc.

>predator
I'm going to assume this is a false accusation

>>153523445
Nope, you fagtard

>>153521203
Screenshot for emails.
As a homosexual you can’t even grasp the concept of understanding an individual. You just fetishize group concepts and see individual males as people to degrade for your sexual pleasure. Industry folk shall be punished for enabling homosexual abuse.
>>153521271
Are you a Mr enter fan or something? A literal autist manchild, with a pilot about kids replacing adults?

In order to be a proper adult you need to take things like criticism. In a lot of jobs people will die if you refuse to better yourself to the best of your ability. Whine that someone yelled at you for botching a surgery? Better care more about the upcoming lawsuit - but you’re too childish to make it to that life position anyway.

You can only get away with bitching about criticism like this because so many people don’t give a fuck about kids, especially their entertainment.
>>153521787
Literally all those artists need to give John major thanks for their careers. Genndy gave it.
>>153523336
Doubt you’ve seen it. Post an example, bet it was saved from a hater’s page.

>>153523503
As a “predator” he was only accused of sex with adults. Plenty of people in this community groom kids into sexual lifestyles directly and from their artwork. Promising very young artists have been ruined by being groomed into degenerates with broken identities, dozens of animation folk were responsible. John uplifted Katie Rice’s identity.

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>>153510257
John K had already ruined his credibility with Cans Without Labels. Since it was crowdfunded and there were no higher-ups, he couldn't blame its production issues or how poorly it turned out on meddling executives.

>>153524009
The reputation was ruined far earlier than that. He was already infamous for missing deadlines, delaying episodes, causing trouble for everyone at the studio by demanding they redo entire sequences over and over for no good reason, and then pissing off executives and acting like they were wrong. The only reason Ren and Stimpy even got multiple seasons was because they got rid of John.

When he was brought back to do Adult Cartoon Party, it was so fucking terrible with him in full control of the show and no executive oversight that it was cancelled before even finishing its first season. Cans without labels didn't happen until after that, when everyone should have already realized what a terrible creator he was, but they gave him money anyways.

>>153510257
I hate how people use him creating Ren and Stimpy as an excuse to deny every single horrible thing he ever did to teenage girls.

>>153524261
They never think it is like it is

You spam a faggot and he ruins the youth

>>153524091
> and then pissing off executives and acting like they were wrong.
This gives away the fact that you worship money.

Compare Spumco and Games output and you’ll easily see John had very good reason to redo frames and sequences. Some absolutely hideous art came from Games that spoiled the reputation of the show in reruns.

>>153524443
Address the actual point, retard. He was on a deadline and could not keep to a deadline. The second he was gone, production smoothed, episodes improved, and the show became more successful. When he was put in charge again, the show sucked and got cancelled. When he was given kickstarter money, he spent years and only had an unfinished pile of shit to show for it.

They weren't wrong to fire him. The man is terrible at his job and runs productions into the ground.

>>153524860
>the point is “made up nonsense that wasn’t even in the original post”
do you think people can read your diseased mind

They’re going to go with the actual truth instead of what you say regardless

>>153510257
Pedo opinions don't matter.

>>153524009
As much as people (fairly) complain about Cans taking so long, at least he actually finished and released something in the end. Which is more than you can say for many kickstarters.

>>153519918
Good filmmakers have had way lower career nadirs than Lasseter.

>>153524891
The truth is that John K is a piece of shit and that you're a pathetic retard.

>>153525038
>muh emails
No one cares, retard.

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>>153524989
Nice cope

>>153525072
Ok let’s test that theory - although again, you just say whatever you want to be true as your mind becomes more diseased and resentful and isolated.

>>153525020
At this point, I'm convinced Lovecraft IS John, or at least someone close to him. Which is why his posts are schizo retard nonsense that sucks John's dick without question.

>>153525103
You really need to stop projecting on everyone. You can't seriously believe that anything you've said in this thread of any others is remotely sane or intelligent.

>>153524989
if a pedo said don't jump off a bridge, would you jump off it?

>>153525311
Trans kind of reply.
>>153525195
I was a student of John K and other animation groups refused to let me in so I kept honing my studies of his work.

>even John K worshipers think Guy is a retard
Lmao

>>153525595
Trans kind of reply.

>>153521179
>To the point it's reasonable to assume that whatever good he has made was probably a fluke.
This is what I've been shouting from the rafters. He only made PART of a good show from 30 years ago and he was fired from that. He's had plenty of opportunity to follow that up with something else and was even able to take a second crack at the same thing it with APC. He didn't lack for opportunity or funding. And he even took several years to make a crappy short so nobody can pretend it's just that he needs time to be creative or whatever.

>>153524999
>at least he actually finished and released something in the end
John K was a middle aged fully seasoned animation veteran at that time. The fact that THIS is the win you can come up with is sad as fuck.

>>153525698
He educated a generation of cartoonists and other artists with his blog.

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>>153524891
Here's the truth: you're not a teenage girl, so John K's not going to fuck you no matter how much you glaze him.

Lmao there he goes again, treating John K's blog like it was the holy bible to cartoonists.

>>153525785
While he was making it people still thought Thundercats was good cartooning.

I also participated, inventing my own contributions. People were educated by me as well - as a minor!
>>153525769
1 more harassment and I’ll switch to emails.

>>153525323
NTA, but there are more reasons to not jump off of a bridge than just because a pedo told you not to. In other words, a pedo can hold the opinion that you shouldn't jump off the bridge but the fact that you don't jump off is likely going to be attributed to more than just the opinion of that pedo.

>>153525974
Except you wouldn’t have John’s style, achievements and philosophy without him. People want to give credit to someone else but they can’t because what John did is individual.

>>153525785
the stuff John K spoke about on his blog was pretty basic bread and butter art theory. It's cool that he spoke about that in a blog because, at the time, it wasn't posted everywhere and was the sort of stuff you'd learn in your first year of art school. That said, I think a lot of clueless idiots mistakenly believe that John had unique insights and that he created the principles he wrote about. He just regurgitated the stuff he learned from the one year he went to school.
It was good info, but the blog was not proof of genius.

>>153526032
If that was true people wouldn’t have gotten enraged about his criticism. They became incensed back in 2007 at the idea that cartoons like Little Bear or He-Man weren’t drawn well or good in general.

His college was also Free and the college you’re shilling is Hella Expensive.

>>153526139
Back in 2007 as a minor I criticized gamer webcomics for things like having 1 facial expression or never drawing the characters from the waist down. Compare that indie work to things like Digital Circus and it’s night and day - projects like Digital Circus are indebted to John, his friends and followers for reviving cartooning techniques and pushing the medium forward.

>>153525459
>I was a student of John K and other animation groups refused to let me in so I kept honing my studies of his work.
That explains WAY too fucking much.
>>153525698
John's work ethic is such that I have to wonder why he even bothered animating when he was this much of a perfectionist and toxic influence even without the sexual abuse. I mean Lovecraft's cat is a clear example of that influence, since they won't stop sucking John's dick.

>>153526206
Also back in 2007 would you describe yourself as "groomed" by john kriskafaulsky?

>"student" of his "college"
>paid to read John's blog posts that were free anyway
lol, lmao

>>153525817
Thundercats had been over for nearly 2 decades by the time he started his blog in 2006, retard.

John is an unfortunate case. Both Sick Little Monkeys and Happy Happy Joy Joy dive into this at length, but Ren and Stimpy's production was ridiculously unprofessional and grungy. It was all amazing work produced out of a really crappy building with a bunch of guys that already knew each other. I think John picked a lot of that up from Ralph and his studio, which was run very similarly but also produced completed work.

John made himself a messiah because he was an explosive personality who controlled the narrative on animation at a time when his show was #1 in the US and uncontestable quality-wise. It's the reason why every depiction of a cartoonist on film for a decade was a Freddy Got Fingered-tier schizo who babbled to himself and made "wacky" drawings, no doubt they were all a little influenced by John K (and Jim Carrey's Mask).

His attorney argued he had bipolar, I agree. I think John always had some sort of mental condition, he was just as mentally ill as his art. It produced great art, but damaged professional relationships. He broke it off with Chris Reccardi for dating his ex, denounced Billy West for job hunting, and soft-blacklisted the Spumco vets who stayed at Games. He was emotionally unstable.

Outsiders assumed he was just putting on a show and doing it for the art but I know he was the type of person to flip out and hurl extremeties at the drop of a dime. There are many cartoonists like this too, for some reason TV work attracts more fiery temperaments. (Maybe because they hired younger?)

He could've stuck to advertising like Richard Williams. He could've gone indie like Bill Plympton. But I think John was always a better director, a better teacher, a better recruiter than he actually was an animator. Go back, most of the shots John himself did on Ren and Stimpy were crude. The best work he did on that show was getting already talented artists like Kelly Armstrong, Bob Jaques, and Jim Smith to hone their talents further and produce amazing work.

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>>153510257
>John K thread
>100+ posts in little over a day
What on earth could have happe-
>Half of those posts are just guy/manlyburger/lovecraft's cat having a meltdown
Ah, no surprises here, then.

>>153529413
He's been replying to the same posts repeatedly, no less.

>>153529500
And all of that simply because his mommy would lose her shit each time a principal urged her to have her son evaluated by a psychiatrist.

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Post yfw picrel happens to Guy when John kicks the bucket.

Was he actually a pedo groomer though? I remember the allegations and him falling for aomw obvious bait but I don't ever remember there being anything concrete or him being charged for anything. Specially considering his on accuser Katie wasn't known for being reliable or smart.

>>153525091
The animation is probably the only good thing to come from it. Naked Beach Frenzy is really the only reason I go back to watch it sometimes. Ren Seeks Help is probably the best plot-driven episode overall, but I'm not so crazy about the cartoon violence as much as the cute girls.

Speaking of John K, he also made Brik Bradferd of The Outback. A failed pitch that never saw the light of day.

https://nightreader-bookblog.blogspot.com/2016/07/brik-bradferd-of-outback-1983.html

>>153523740
If bad art exists, then so does bad criticism. He made nothing but figurative dogshit throughout his career and that extends to his "advice". You only think that it is great because you mistake his abrasiive attitude for confidence as opposed to him being ignorantly full of shit. "Tell it how it is" types are always dumber than rocks and objectively worse than the people that they complain about in every metric.

>>153529848
Yes. He showered Byrd and Rice with gifts and affection, gave them both jobs fresh out of college, and in Byrd's case, gave her room and board. The only reason he wasn't charged with anything severe was because the statute of limitations had long-expired. I also don't think Byrd's parents should have sent her away to live with a total stranger, but that's an entirely different can of worms.

>>153524009
I still remember him doing bumps for [adult swim] in the 2010s & was actually really eager to see him make something besides bumps. Heard he was doing Cans Without Labels, & even saw a few interviews online. It still boggles my mind it took him 7 YEARS to finish a 10 minute cartoon short.

>>153530008
>"Tell it how it is" types are always dumber than rocks and objectively worse than the people that they complain about in every metric.
I agree, but I'll say this, everybody in animation has opinions, some dogshit, some clever. What separates people like John from other opinionated animators is that they A) don't treat their opinion as fact, they recognize subjectivity, and B) are professional and easy to work with. They can read the room and speak their mind without burning bridges. There are plenty of "tell it how it is" types working in animation but they're not all assholes. Some of them know they're working on shit and don't care. Some of them are the story team whose job is to be pedantic and sand down a story. The loud, blustering types are the ones that get shitposted to death on /co/. Keep it private, keep it professional.

>>153523503
Eeyup, you sperglord.

>>153525072
Cared enough to reply, newfag

>>153525099
Nice arrest

>>153510257
Can anyone tell me what kind of tablet is he using here? The way he draws with the pen, & the fact he has to redraw the line after it disappears tells me he's using one of those chink tablets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiYs5Dz89aA

>>153531302
Cintiq 21UX, none of those "signs" you spotted suggest a cheap tablet, he's just speeding through clean-up for demonstration purposes.

>>153510257
>correct thing
lol
lmao

>>153510257
DIDDY AHH BLUD!!!!!!!

>>153525817
>people were also educated by me as well?
oh boy i can only imagine what alumni came from the manly burgers school of animation

>>153530008
John K got to control the narrative about himself and his career through his blog because all of his peers were too busy working on the cartoons and movies he was slinging shit at on his blog. So you get a lot of "John K is the most important cartoonist of the 90s and 00s, Source - John K's famous blog, by John K, peer reviewed by John K." No one really challenged him at the time because of professional courtesy, or just not wanting to deal with him if they didn't have to. Why start beef with other animators when John K was already exiling himself from the industry by talking a lot of shit about beloved animated movies and shows, like complaining about Iron Giant's "calarts style" and calling Animaniacs gay? And just look where that's gotten him.

>>153510257
His cartoons are not even remotely good enough for the amount of dicksucking this pedophile gets by his fans

>>153510257
John K doesn't support trannys like Butch Troonman

>>153535030
what cantor means this blud?

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>>153510270
fpbp
John K? fraud
>>153510356
tpbp

anyone could've said what John Pedo said
but only John Pedo fucked kids

>>153510257
I honestly don’t care if someone is a pedophile anymore as long as they’re not fucking anyone under the age of like 10 or some shit

I mean I don't really know that much about john K except that the simpsons couch gags he made were such abominable dogshit that he's probably wrong about everything else

>>153535030
Stfu

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I think most of /co/ just wants to fuck cute cartoon girls, so when they don't get that, they waste their time getting mad at something they are not into, like it's a crime for something to not appeal to them. What's the deal with that?

And when they talk about what makes a cartoon work, it's always vague "You have to make it good because being good is good" types of criticisms that in the end, is just a cover up for their true feelings which is coomer brained animation

>>153537509
The couch gags alone are evidence that the guy lost whatever talent he had, if he ever truly had it.

>>153537642
I will agree with some of the masturbators in these threads that John K was pretty good at drawing cute girls, at one point. If he made a show about cute girls in silly situations, he'd maybe doing just fine. Otherwise, you are right that his defenders are saying John K's stuff is/was good because it's good and it's good because John K said so.

>>153510257
The only correct thing he ever said was call Kyle Carapedorozza's designs unappealing.
I guess it takes one to know one.