Remember when you liked Force Awakens?
Liking The Force Awakens is for cowards. Do you have the courage to like The Last Jedi?
Better not be too loud, you'd hate to admit that one wouldn't you? That would be weirder than the time you thought Kylo Ren was a better version Hayden Christensen's Anikan Skywalker
>>153526037No one has ever thought that in history
>>153525990Not really, because I only liked Force Awakens for the first 30 minutes or so. Ironically, it goes to complete shit as soon as Han and Chewie show up.
>>153525990I can remember back to the 20 minutes after I left the theater, yes.
>>153525990I remember the "Kylo Ren killed his father Han Solo" spoiler memes and fakeout animated gifs being posted around this site more than anything else.
>>153525990Yeah, still do.
I remember the week where I pretended it was kind of good, even though I was bored out of my mind actually watching it.
I’m honestly so glad I didn’t grow up liking Star Wars. I enjoy the original films a lot and think they’re incredible, but I don’t really have all that much nostalgic attachment to it the way other people do. Seeing how the fandom is always in shambles makes me feel relief not to have this franchise be one of my favorite things.
>>153526037Even when I kinda had hope for the sequels I thought Kylo Ren was a weenie.
>>153526459Kylo Ren is the best part of the sequels, or at least the part that had potential.They sure did do a terrible job writing every part of that trilogy though.>dude, he went dark side and killed all of his friends, because Luke tried to kill him, because he had a bad dreamLike, I see what they thought they were writing there... They made every character idiotic and reprehensible, but I can kind of squint my eyes, and see a much better version of this story, where it's actually dramatic and good.
>>153525990No>>153526012The truly brave thing is liking The Rise of Skywalker.
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>>153526506I dunno, even before the stupid reveal of Luke nearly committing to killing him in his sleep, the idea of Han Solo having a kid with such bad daddy issues that it turned him to the dark side was supremely uninteresting and a bit silly.
>>153526590I can kind of see the better version in my head, where Han and Leia's marriage breaks down, and Ben is more or less raised by Luke, and then Luke completely fails to meet his needs because he's a high-minded Jedi teacher, and not a father.If you literally just step in, and write an entire movie for them, that they didn't bother to write, parts of it are quite good, actually?
I remember not liking The Force Awakens a few weeks ago on my last rewatch. But I came in with a mindset of not hating it even though it's a very mean-spirited film which deserves to be hated. I'm just left wanting to see George's saga completed rather than soft-reboots or 'requels' which Iger mandated
Although Rey never becomes a good character, unless she's a surprise villain reveal in the second movie. Man, Rey is boring. >oh, I'm the best and most righteous person ever, but what is *my* place in this world?Shut the fuck up, Rey.
>>153526454What a weird thing to lie about
I remember misinterpreting that Finn was supposed to be some kind of deuteragonist from just seeing The Force Awakens. Then in The Last Jedi they send him on a (literally pointless) C plot with an unimportant character. And it only got worse from there.
>>153526454Yeah, that's how I felt watching 7 in theaters: a mild disappointment that balanced out at "wow, I'd be pissed if I hadn't been a trekkie as a kid."
>>153525990Everyone in my local theater loved it. An experience I'll always cherish, regardless of chud revisionism.
>>153525990Is that a problem for you?
>>153525990This guy is retarded, why would I ever care what he says. Both the animator and the character he is using as his strawman.
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>>153526012>. Do you have the courage to like The Last Jedi?Yes. It actually holds up better than the other two of the ST.
>>153525990I only remember thinking "It looks alright." and feel good to see practical sets, and puppets. Don't put words in my mouth.
>>153525990>Remember when you liked Force AwakensNo I wasn't some mindless retard who was impressed with hollow remember when muh OT
>>153525990I remember women shipping Rey and Kylo. I remember joining in on the hate raids on the Asian actress’ instagram account. I remember the black guy seething that people weren’t making ship art of him and Daisy Ridley. Fun times.
Not only did I go in thinking it was great, I genuinely believed Starkiller Base to be a good escalation from the Death Star.Funny thing is that I dropped liking it fairly quickly.
>>153526037>That would be weirder than the time you thought Kylo Ren was a better version Hayden Christensen's Anikan SkywalkerThat didn't happen, though. Kylo Ren was interesting because he had no ability to be Darth Vader, whereas Hayden Christensen did a heroic job of making the Anakin-Vader transition semi-believable despite the script. Kylo Ren does not function at all without Christensen's existing effort.I can admit to getting temporarily fooled by The Force Awakens, but only when the characterization of how we were fooled is accurate.
>>153525990>>153526037TFA wasn't that bad. The way ROTJ is elevated by how good it's predecessors are TFA is hated because it's sequels are so fucking awful. TFA is still better than either TPM or AOTC. Stay mad prequeltards.
>>153532483TFA isn't "good" or "bad," it barely exists. None of the characters even have any motivation or passion beyond Kylo's tantrum and the meme stormtrooper that accuses Finn of being a traitor.
>>153532483>is still better than either TPM or AOTCno those movies didn't shit all over the OT protags accomplishments or reset any of their character development
>>153532542>those movies didn't shit all over the OT protags accomplishmentsNigger you are fucking retarded if you think the prequels respected the original protagonists
>>153532584>moving the goalpostI don't give a shit whether you think it respected them it is an objective fact that TFA undid all of the OT protags accomplishments and totally reset Han's character development and that the PT didn't
>>153525990>>153526037I never said this retarded shit. In fact, I have never watched the new trilogy.
I didn't even watch Force Awakens, or any of the Disney slop Star Wars. I'm not stupid.
>>153526076It works at such a good, fun pace- then boom, elderly Solo and Chewie shows up, and the whole thing grinds to a halt. Maybe not a hot take, but if they had excluded all of the old cast save for R2, C3PO and Chewie, the whole thing might have turned out better.
>>153526645>>153532450I think they should have made it where Kylo simply wasn't that great at being a Jedi. His granddad was one of the greatest Jedi and Sith, his uncle rebuilt the Jedi Order, his parents are war heroes, and he...meets the minimum standards of competency. Like, if he had been born 100 years prior he would have been a rank and file Jedi of little note whose career could be summed up as "adequate at tasks performed." So he's resentful of everyone which tempts him to the Dark Side of the Force and he turns on everyone, wiping out Luke's school. But the power of the Dark Side doesn't actually make him better, it just makes him more powerful; his big claim to fame is him a dozen buddies essentially committing a school shooting. Hux doesn't respect him because he has zero military discipline or acumen despite his rank, the rest of the FO think he's a psycho nepo baby, and for all the neat little Force tricks he pulls Finn and Rey are able to stand against him in a lightsaber duel because they have actual training and experience in fighting.
Hurr durr clone troopers are people. Okay let's kill a bunch of clone troopers now. HAHAHA
>>153526410I still want to fuck this british mutt so hard. While her loser edge lord boyfriend watches.>>153525990oh yeah something about palpatine or whatever.
>>153532790Basically this, but I would add a tragic angle of him being legitimately good at something else, but he considers it irrelevant because it isn't Being Anakin Skywalker/Being Darth Vader. As in, here and there, you get clear flashes that he could have become someone else entirely had he not embraced this imaginary obligation. Exactly what that is, I don't know, maybe something Han related.
>>153525990>>153526037>JeetCanyon
>>153532941I'd have juxtaposed him against Finn and Rey - which TFA did a little bit. Him and Finn are obvious points of comparison while you could give him and Rey similarities like a need for external validation and sense of personal dissatisfaction. They also should have contrasted him with Hux. Hux has lived his entire life within the FO, his dad was a big shot and he lived under his shadow but unlike Kylo Hux's dad's shitty parenting drove Hux to exceed his parentage through work and skill. Hux is the guy Kylo wishes he could be, capable and respected, and for that he despises Hux.
>>153532620The PT made Anakin a child killing retard because he was scared of losing some bitch he had no chemistry with.
>>153525990Never watched it.
>>153532941Give him the force healing ability, but limited combat talent.
>>153525990No. I read the fan script and thought it was awful. A year after the movie comes out, I watch it, and my initial thoughts were correct.
good thread, because I did very much enjoy it. Very clear they were going for something but all the nerds called out what they were going for and they got cold feet and bailed on the original plan. I know a lot of people didn't like Princess Daisy that's not up for debate she is canonically the grandaughter of an emperor or John Star Wars but it was a perfect setup for dismantling the previous bureaucratic institutional concepts of Jedi that had crippled the Jedi's true capabilities over millenia. You don't need to train as a child to hold a lightsaber, you don't need direct training for the force to flow through you, and that the force is NOT about good or evil but maintaining balance. Adam is perfect metaphor for what I mean. His ass was twisted blind by manipulation from so far away he thought it was his own ass that stank, but he was essentially a puppet being guided through a maze. Palpatine/Snoke was so god damned baffled by this because he thought he held such a tight grasp of the cosmos as to become invulnerable to it. The truth is he strangled the shit out of the force and it finally got to breathe through Rey's tight ass wrapped in gauze panties. Just like Palpatine drove Kylo down the path of Darkness, there were the Jedi masters who sought to drive Rey into the path of Light. It's a great movie followed up by a middling waste of narrative space and a bum rushed finale. Had the original Plagueis narrative continued very little would have changed from what we actually ended up with, but the focus was certainly shifted away from a white woman dating a black man for a black and an asian and that remains one of the funniest things I've ever seen. So absolutely I remember liking it, but I don't remember loving it so much that I wouldn't masturbate to it. Pic not related
>>153533454>The PT made Anakin a child killing retarddude he was Darth Vader in the OT there was never anyone reason to think he was above killing children, what a retarded complaint
>>153535148only adults lived on alderaan
>>153525990No, I hated it the moment I saw it and argued with people about it back then.
>>153526037Adam Driver is a much better actor than Hayden Christensen but the writing was lamer.
>>153525990Yeah, for a brief moment it felt like there was hope for Star Wars againThen the shiny newness of TFA wore off and TLJ came out not long afterAll our fears about Disneywars were proven true
>>153525990I thought it was a competent movie, but I walked out profoundly disappointed they chose to do the absolute most boring fucking thing with the ST and had no interest in what they were going to do later.Which is why I liked TLJ so much, cause it made it seem like they might actually do something worthwhile. More fool me. Should've recognized it was just cause the people whose job it was to keep this shit in order didn't give a single fuck.
>>153525990>>153526037>Force AwakensDidn't really like it, but didn't think it was unsalvageable like the rest of the trilogy.I thought 'yeah its a bit derivative, but they can still do something with this one the next one'.Little did I know that it'd be the worst SW movie ever made.
>>153536133Reminder that TLJ was as much a remake of Empire as TFA was of New Hope. It wasn't "subversive" in any way that actually mattered.
>>153536362I don't care if it was subversive or not. That wasn't what was interesting. It was incel Vader having total control of a war machine because it turned out trying to manipulate a kid with anger issues can spectacularly backfire and after that no one following him wanting to follow him but literally none of them can stop him. It's him turning this grand Galactic War into his personal revenge trip. I was interesting in seeing where that'd go.I also preferred the point about Rey just being some girl who had destiny thrust upon her, and having been in denial about her family.
>>153525990>>153526012>>153526037I thought The Force Awakens sucked balls before the credits even ran. It was a lamer copy of A New Hope. Then they teased Luke right at the end, which is when I remembered that crap was directed by J. J. Abrams, who's whole thing is teasing the audience that something will happen and never delivers anything satisfying.If anyone thought it was good, they were probably no older than 12, so I can't really fault them for having shit taste.
>>153536133>Which is why I liked TLJ so much, cause it made it seem like they might actually do something worthwhileWhere did you get that vibe? Rian totally failed to keep the ball rolling and completely killed all momentum with that movie. Kylo just didn't have enough going on to be the single antagonist of the trilogy. What did he think other writers were going to do with Rose? What exactly was his plan in seemingly writing the resistance to a lifeboat worth of people? It didn't matter who was going to direct the next movie, they were going to have to backpedal on a lot of Rian's decisions to keep the story moving. He didn't really leave any meaningful plot threads to follow up with, and even if you liked his interpretation legacy being a scam, with things like the Jedi books being burned and Rey's parents not mattering, those were really complete thoughts that didn't need continuation in the next movie.
>>153535044>was a perfect setup for dismantling the previous bureaucratic institutional concepts of Jedi that had crippled the Jedi's true capabilities over millenia. You don't need to train as a child to hold a lightsaber, you don't need direct training for the force to flow through youOkay, but that's literally the original trilogy. That's Luke. >the force is NOT about good or evil but maintaining balanceAnd that's wrong. George was always very specific: "balance" is what the Jedi do, and "imbalance" is what the Sith do, because they're evil. Ultimately, Star Wars has a Christian style black and white morality central to it's themes. You can't just decide three decades after the fact that it's actually a ying yang thing, where you need a certain number of Vaders to balance out a Yoda. Vader was a man who did terrible things, but was not ultimately beyond redemption (because it's a clunky metaphor for sinners accepting Christ). In the end of it all, he's a Jedi again, which was always where he was meant to be, and his immortal soul gets to go to Jedi Heaven,Literally just what was shown to us across six movies.
