Favorite Star Wars comics? The Knights of the Old Republic series was pretty great.
Gryph was the best Star Wars character
Also Jarael is best girl
>>153529222I gotta finish this one day I really like the twenty something issues I read. Pic related is my favorite
That Boba Fett trilogy from Wagner/Kennedy, and the half of Dark Times following the Jedi.
It's good, maybe even great, but I gotta admit, the last third of the series kinda soured me on it a tad. I just think it got too aimless and saturday morning cartoon after the central plot was resolved in the second act. Though, Jarael's subplot brought life back into the series and it all ended pretty neatly. Chantique owes me sex though.
"A Death Star is Born" from Star Wars Tales #4. It's a short and silly shitpost, but I find it fun.
>>153529433They could have wrapped it up a bit sooner but eh, watcha gonna do? I think someone at Disney owes JJM something though.
I've always felt really sorry for Rohlan Dyre. He got cheated out of a cool adventure with Zayne and friends.
100 percent canon. RIP Manny Bothans.
>>153529487It is pretty funny to look back at the game and see what a dink Malak was.
Redemption is so much better than all the TOTJ volumes that preceded it.
>>153529222The Wagner/Kennedy Boba Fett comics are fun and look great. Darth Vader and the Ghost Prison is excellent.Dark Empire is better in some respects than people give it credit for. It's worth looking at if only for Kennedy's art. It has a cinematic pace that most comics don't bother trying to replicate, and in that sense it's one of the best translations, as hacky and stupid as the story might get.
>>153529433I just realized my Chantique is tiny. Have a bigger one.
>>153529509If only the entire series had been that good. Most of TotJ is kind of awful, though I like some of the art.
>>153529532It's crazy how DE did more interesting things with Clone Sheev than Disney ended up doing.
Knight Errant was also pretty cool but it got fucked over when they dumped the old EU. The last mini they put out beforehand saw the defeat of one of the major bosses so it was heading to some kind of climax. Maybe I just like John Jackson Miller.
>>153529552>Most of TotJ is kind of awfulWhat's up with that? Feels like those should've had a lot more effort out into them
>>153529479I have a sneaking suspicion as well that the Jedi Fallen Order crew is based vaguely off of Zane and company.
>>153529643Hmmmmmm
>>153529643yeah I sort of got that impression too.
>>153529610All I remember from that series are the David Bowie Sith lord with the god complex and the one who looked like a 90s action toy
Also remember that one of the coolest Sith stories ever comes from a comic
>>153529718they were brothers
>>153529740
>>153529610All of Star Wars got fucked over by Disney, mate. Like what do we even have in Disney comics worth reading now? Reheated lunch with Darth Vader? The ghost of Jacen Solo in Kylo Ren's current series? Everything else is just garbage. At least we got the old stuff.
>>153529941I mean that's kind of what really does separate the PT and ST isn't it. You can say all you want about the PT but we were getting other stuff. We got Battlefield, we got comics, there was shit to like. What's now? Well Fallen Order was alright I guess but is anyone really a fan of Outlaws? Of the High Republic? What asshole thought it would be a good idea to take the period when everything was hunky dorey and go, let's make an adventure there when nothing happens. Here's a fucking rock.
>>153529222Star Wars: Legacy was pretty cool, and as the book that was furthest in the future I think it served as a proper finale to the Legends continuity.
>>153529222The Darth Vader comics by Marvel have all been surprisingly kino. And the Doctor Aphra comics were also pretty fun.
>>153529643Nu-canon tends to borrow a lot from the old Expanded Universe, making “spiritual successor” characters. So then you’ve got:>Kanan and Hera = Rahm Kota/Kyle Katarn and Jan Ors>Cal Kestis and crew = Zayne Carrick and crew
>>153529532>It has a cinematic pace that most comics don't bother trying to replicate,This was especially prominent to me when I read it, because they placed it after the Thrawn adaptations in the Epic Collection
It's kinda depressing knowing that even though they survived the Mando Wars, Zayne and Jarael probably caught up in the Jedi Civil War and the Purge right after
>>153529222Star Wars: KOTORStar Wars: Honor and DutyStar Wars: Darth Vader and the Lost Command/Ghost Prison/Ninth Assassin/Cry of ShadowsAs a child, can’t believe I slept on KOTOR because it was so long and hadn’t had a lot of interest with that era outside of the videogame. Reading it now, it has the best storytelling that lasted a lot better than what Marvel has currently cooking up imo. Cry of Shadows I liked because of the art, story, and this reaction image I cropped a long time ago which has had some traction.
>>153530264They're almost all worse than the templates though because Disney literally has a committee sit down and only approve the safest stories possible.
>>153529253>>153530305How many times you gonna spam this every chance you get? How many years has it been?
>>153530305How? Zayne's not a Jedi.
>>153530981he would have been a very bad jedi
>>153529222I like Legacy in its own perverse way but for whatever reason Legacy 2 really resonated with me. Shame it was a very late Dark Horse series.
>>153529979It's funny to see Plebbitors cream themselves over Doctor Aphra—WHO THE FUCK IS DOCTOR APHRAIt sounds like a fuckin serialization on the back of a cereal box.
>>153529444Just read it. That was indeed good. I actually really liked that ending too.Favourite page is Tarkin choking on coffee and Vader being misblamed.
So, is all the Old Republic pre-disney stuff collected now? Or is there still one more omnibus coming? I legitimately have no idea, I'm somewhat new to Star Wars comics.
>>153530524I don't know why Lucas couldn't have just held onto Lucasfilm, man. He could've just handed the film reigns to someone else.
>>153531521If Lucas was going to stay, he wasn't going to sell it to Disney or anyone else
So why the fuck did they do it anyway? Was Haazen fucking with them the whole time?
>>153531095It benefited from being a smaller scale story compared to Legacy 1
>>153529222That was great, also I'd like to recommend Dark Times.
>>153531584They were taught since youth to gaze into the future to predict the rise of the next dark jedi like Exar Kun.So when they got a slightly vague vision, they went full retard.
>>153531095I liked both, idgaf.
>>153531704Yeah, I get that part, but it doesn't seem to explain why these Jedi in particular were so susceptible to retardation. Usually they're more discerning than that.
>>153529979are any of the Marvel Star Wars books worth a look?
>>153531897I dunno, the kotor era jedi came off as pretty retarded to me.
>>153531897Probably the same reason Mace Windu ignore how hilariously and obviously evil Darth Saruman was. Complacency and Dunen Krueger.
>>153531947Darth Vader is the only one I thought was decent. I hear Legacy of Vader is supposed to be good as well.
I find the original marvel book extremely fascinating. This isn't even pre Clone Wars this is Pre Empire. To look at how the series vision was so ill defined is really interesting.
>>153532642Geezus, why are the colors so fucking intense.
>>153532671probably digital recoloring.
>>153532459What, Dooku? His public persona was all about railing against the corruption in the Republic, which wasn't an entirely unsympathetic position. Frankly, it's surprising there weren't more turncoats within the Jedi Order. Seemed like an opportunity for anyone who had beef with the Senate and the Council to say "Fuck you guys, I'll join Dooku and we'll make our own Jedi Order with pazaak and hooker droids"Though knowing Dooku, he'd probably just use converts as training fodder for Grievous.
>>153530611Honestly I'll take spamming a great comic over culture war shit or some autuist self promoting or god forbit another Spiderman dumbster fire
>>153531156lmao
>>153529532>It has a cinematic pace that most comics don't bother trying to replicate, and in that sense it's one of the best translations, as hacky and stupid as the story might get.I wonder if they're related. Reading some of the discontent between Zahn and Veitch is like a microcosm of the competing ideologies on the Star Wars universe that has played out even through the Sequel Trilogy: Should we tell a new story, build something beyond just the old recognizable names and plot points. Or IS Star Wars those plot points, and you can't have proper story without Boba Fett, Palpatine, and Jabba?It's nice to hear Empire is not a chore to read, I've never had the heart to get around to it myself, but I probably should.
>>153529979>What's now? Well Fallen Order was alright I guess but is anyone really a fan of Outlaws? Of the High Republic?What's truly weird is how little we got of the ST era itself. There was a kids show, Kylo got a prequel comic, probably some books. But the vast majority of the efforts spent by Disney in their EU post acquisition was rewriting the OT timeline. Everything the ST got, the OT era got many times more of. Whereas, when the PT came out, you had a ton of shit dedicated to fleshing that ERA out, presumably from the pent of efforts of the EU creators, who had been largely forbidden from touching it until then.Obviously, merchandising has changed. The PT was at the height of licensed games, licensed comics, licensed shows. Everything is harder to budget and sell nowadays. But it's clear to me that Disney, aside from never dedicating themselves to having a clear concept of what they were doing, didn't give a shit. Just redo the OT, both in the EU and in the ST movies. And didn't care about having any sort of true universe that existed beyond those movies.
>>153532642It's really funny to see how they shifted over the years as ESB and RotJ got closer to release. Pre-ESB, the comics leaned more into Luke and Leia getting ship teased or Luke and Han paling around. But post ESB, they had to acknowledge that it was going to be Leia/Han. So now we need a bunch of flashback stories about building up Leia and Han's tension.Or how they figured Jabba was never going to be important so we got this guy. I don't think they even bothered to retcon his appearances as being a decoy or imposter or whatever. Maybe the EU did later, it fucking loved trying to weld it all together, but not in the original Marvel run itself.
>>153534042>Obviously, merchandising has changedI get games take more time and cost more to make these days but it's Star Wars. If you can't market Star Wars something is very wrong. Hell it's not even like you have to rush it out to make a movie deadline, Star Wars is a forever brand.
>>153534222Disney is doing this really cool thing where the only reason they cared about Star Wars was to get drooling idiots into their parks.
>>153534222>Hell it's not even like you have to rush it out to make a movie deadlineIt's a little discussed thing that every single Lucas film came out in May, with three years between each. Meanwhile Disney released them in Christmas, not that bad a choice, but only had two years in between, and the plan was to have side movies also shilled in between each too. So one movie a year, for five years.I think they thought what you did and didn't consider that maybe taking more time to make sure their movies weren't going to run over each other would be prudent. I think they just ran it into the ground and fucked it. It's Star Wars, what's the worst that could happen?
>>153534042>Obviously, merchandising has changed. The PT was at the height of licensed games, licensed comics, licensed shows. Everything is harder to budget and sell nowadays.Yes things have changed but also it was mishandled:>The X-Wing miniatures game was at one point on the heels of miniatures games like Warhammer 40,000 (heck one year I think it was beating it in sales). Then Asmodee (the EA games of boardgaming) bought Fantasy Flight Games, the company who had the Star Wars license, and gutted it, completely destroying a multitude of Star Wars games (X-Wing, Armada etc). >EA did shit with the Star Wars license, with the Star Wars Battlefront 2 pay to unlock debacle amongst other things like a slew of cancelled games (1313 etc) people would actually want.>Disney stopped paying the writers of the old EU their residuals, creating bad press. The nu-EU gutted the old stuff, okay fine, but then the nu-EU didn't exactly keep everything straight either. The new sequel books were so convoluted in setting up the new post-RotJ status quo. Then you had a bunch of the political shit or people like Chuck Wendig getting fired for his rants.>The comics had simply dumb shit. Here, let us have Darth Vader on Exegol to set up dumb sequel shit in this OT time comic.>Merchandise got more expensive, on literally everything with the quality dropping. Fuck just look the expensive slop Lego Star Wars comes out with.>Cartoons like Rebels became so insular and masturbatory in their continuing storylines and this infected stuff like the live action.
>>153531947Vader 2017 by Charles Soule
>>153534307>Meanwhile Disney released them in Christmas, not that bad a choice, but only had two years in between, and the plan was to have side movies also shilled in between each tooBlockbusters were ruined because everyone began chasing the MCU. Then Disney itself forgot how to make the MCU work. And Star Wars failed because it was Marvelised to make another MCU. They wanted one movie a year, sequels and A Star Wars Story films. Then TLJ/Solo happened, Iger declared it Star Wars fatigue (just like superhero fatigue). All the projects were cancelled.Then they bring in Jon Favreau who kickstarted the MCU with Iron Man to create another helmted hero, the Mandalorian. Disney+ has a bunch of pressure to make a hit and The Mandalorian is a hit. But hey, after two seasons the Grogu plot is resolved and we are building Mando to be the reluctant leader of the Mandalorians. But it was a deception, the Mandalorian was never meant to be this fun show, overarching plot and fun single serving adventures. No, it was built for SPIN OFFS BABY: Ahsoka, Boba Fett, that cancelled Rangers of the New Republic show. (Boba Fett and Obi Wan show were just reworked cancelled A Star Wars Story movie plots; I feel like the Obi Wan plot was pretty much taken by the Fallen Order game.) Then they listen to the algorithms and think they are doing fan service by bringing back Grogu or making Bo Katan more of a main character. Rather than following the natural progression of the plotline. Rather than having a plan. Because MCU. Because movies a year. Then movies became Disney+ needs content. And now they are supposedly building to an Avengers style team up where Thrawn will be their Thanos. And who the fuck gives a shit besides obsessives on social media telling people they have to watch all the cartoons to really get Star Wars now.
>>153531947>>153534400Was that the one where Vader had a fangirl and then retards flipped out when he, the violent child murdering sith lord, stabbed her.
>>153534358>Cartoons like Rebels became so insular and masturbatory in their continuing storylines and this infected stuff like the live action.Something about the way people talk about "lore" online has increasingly begun to annoy me. It is hard to explain why, but it isn't this fun extra thing anymore.
>>153534466Not to be overly dismissive to the massive effort that goes into film making, I just don't understand how you can be this slapdash. Ignoring all the existing material you could pull from, I feel like any long time fanboy would have been able to cobble together a functioning outline of a script for a new trilogy with little effort. Star Wars is, at it's core, a prime lesson in the heroes journey cycle. But to buy a franchise for four billion dollars and go in this disorganized is an astounding level of retardation.
>>153534505I know what you mean I think. It feels like lore has become less a background from story telling and more a subject for youtube videos and wiki deep dives. It's all too self referential and pointless.
>>153530611Genuinely what are you talking about? How is posting a Star Wars character in a Star Wars thread spamming? And If it's going for multiple years, it's probably not even the same guy posting her
>>153534473No that was in a seperate anthology comic, 2017 Vader is set immediately after Revenge of the Sith and follows Vader's first few years in the Empire (getting used to his suit, hunting Jedi, leading the Inquisitors, dealing with all the politicking and establishing himself to the Imperials)
>>153534514In some ways everything changes, in some ways nothing does. I look at Boba Fett; something about Boba Fett didn't please Lucas so he had him killed off. Boba obviously came back in the EU. Then in the prequels Lucas bought Jango Fett in. I think he regretted killing Boba. I think something similar happened with Darth Maul. He was similar: cool aesthetic, barely any lines and popular with the fans. And Lucas regretted it because he wanted him back and one his (many) sequel ideas had Maul. I think Lucas was behaving reactively.I think Grogu coming back is a reactive move by Disney, I think it is similar in wanting to respond to some fan demand. But I think it is different. I think there is nothing there, it is hollow. I think bringing in these cartoon plot lines because of algorithms with "super fans" mentioning this shit as "real" Star Wars is hollow too. I think Mandalorian WAS being set up to have a heroes journey. He was meant to be the reluctant leader, the man who didn't seek power being the one to win it. The guy whose honour and deeds brought people to his cause. The sequels failed, it was dumb and slapdash. But the Mandalorian was taking things back to basics. Here have a defend a village or prison break episode. Here is a guy going on adventures. He gets the darksaber, we're setting things up, showdown with the Empire? Rivalry with Bo Katan? Nah fuck it, undercut him, cartoon plot, serve some sequel-adjacent plotline go for Thrawn stuff, recontextualise the sequels. >But to buy a franchise for four billion dollars and go in this disorganized is an astounding level of retardation.I guess the point of my ramble is this: if after they fucked it up with the sequels and stripped it back down to basics with the Mandalorian, how the fuck did they just go all-in on fucking it up in the same sort of way. That is beyond retardation to me.
>>153531897Seeing their own deaths in that vision probably contributed to it too.
>>153534659It feels like we lack a real frame work but they don't want to divorce themselves from anything too recognizable. Some of the Visions shorts were really good because while they were recognizable they were pretty contained and scaled back. They weren't setting up super duper plot macguffins for a plot that doesn't exist. The dark sabre will NEVER pay out.
>>153534523>>153534505Lore has become masturbatory in its indulgences and simply does not feel fun. If it isn't just for Youtube video fodder, it is for people to signal to each other, as if it is in any way shape or form "deep knowledge" that they watched a cartoon.>>153534358I forgot to mention in my mishandling list, the fucking Galaxy's Edge park. (Also there is a recent comic tie in for Galaxy's Edge too. There was some in 2019 too.) Like how do you fuck up a Star Wars park? That isn't even mentioning the failure of the hotel Starcruiser thing.
>>153529222Zayne Carrick can be surprisingly cool sometimes
>>153534714>The dark sabre will NEVER pay out.I feel like this shit was so simple it writes itself. >Grogu plotline had ended.>Darksaber, Bo etc had all been set up.>Mando understands his people want a home.>Have 2 seasons of Mando going on more adventures whilst building allies and friends with the overarching plot of returning to Mandalore to reclaim it.>(This was all pretty much stated as what should happen by the Armorer anyway.)>Mando is the relucant leader, the trope of the best leader being the uncorrupt one who doesn't seek power.>Boom, then have a movie that is both accessible for non-show watchers whilst having stuff for the fans with the Mandalorian reclaiming Mandalore, big huge battles etc.This is a simple heroes journey, Mando on the edge of existence making a living, had a code, eventually leads his people despite not seeking power. This is what people wanted. Instead we get:>Grogu must return straight away fan service.>Bo Katan is the real leader we need cartoon plot.>Cut the legs off any growth for the main character.>And now a movie no one asked for, with a plot no one knows, about what exactly? Darksaber shit is another macguffin. Who cares. But people were so burnt out by Star Wars all they wanted was the Mandalorian to actually build towards something simple but instead they just said nope, fuck that. I don't know whether it is simply their politics, their chasing of algorithms or if they feel like these tropes they set up are too "cinemasins". But for many people these tropes and stories are so simple and universal but they seem allergic to following through.
>>153534563Perhaps he doesn't realize how obvious his posting style is even after all these years.
>>153534781fuck yeah
>>153534830>these tropes they set up are too "cinemasins"Trope awareness has been nothing short of a plague. What we truly need now more than ever is an honest, sincere story of heroism and adventure. Levity is fine, the OT could be pretty funny and fairly often.>we're all fine here now, thank you, how are you? Is a rip. But it's not something that undercuts the sincerity of the story.
Someone else mentioned Legacy (which, imo, while imperfect was an excellent blueprint for how they *should* have handled the sequel trilogy) so I'll throw in for Dark Empire, which is my canon sequel.
>>153534952>Trope awareness has been nothing short of a plague. What we truly need now more than ever is an honest, sincere story of heroism and adventure.I think people mostly focus on the politics but the trope awareness has created the issue of the self referential, the self aware as well as the issue of the subverting expectations. People feel like it is "clever" to be aware and to avoid the tropes or to go gun ho with the wink wink, nude nudge comment. But what I don't think they realise is, this stuff isn't satisfying. Sure, you can have good and earned twists too, but people want to see the hero get to that place, to make you feel like it mattered. >Is a rip. But it's not something that undercuts the sincerity of the story.It doesn't cut the sincerity neither does it cut the threat. Compare that to Poe jokes against Hux at the start of TLJ.
it was smart for disney to reset the comics. it would be intimidating to new readers.
Say it
>>153535125I was a new reader, and I went straight into reading the old EU. The new stuff is shit.
>>153535231That Han bit with the gungan is embarrassingly bad, holy fucking shit.
>>153534659>>153534830One of the biggest fumbles is how Disney didn't realize multimedia projects are a one-way street. You can have live action characters show up in comics and books and cartoons, but doing the opposite doesn't work.A die-hard fan will see these references as evidence that the setting is interconnected, but a casual fan sees it as homework.I get WHY Filoni would fuck that up, though. Rebels started as more self-contained and then opened up, referencing other Star Wars media and having the plot grow larger in scale. It was received well enough too. Most people were excited to see Maul and Thrawn. Then Mandalorian followed the same outline of a small-scale conflict that gradually built up and became part of the larger setting, and virtually everyone got super annoyed by it. Partly because the execution was bad ofc, but I think a large part of the dissatisfaction was because Mando was live action, and drew in people who only ever watched the movies and didn't know or care about Bo Katan or Ahsoka Tano.
>>153535057>Compare that to Poe jokes against Hux at the start of TLJ.Right. Han was adding to the scene and the moment, while amusing, was actually raising the stakes. Things were escalating as he dug himself deeper. Poe just talks shit and nothing happens. It makes him look retarded and Kylo ineffective.
>>153535045NTA, but couldn't agree more on Dark Empire being the true sequel trilogy. It covers a similar scope to what I feel each trilogy covered in the original and prequels.
>>153535045>>153535327man I really regret not getting more of those epic collections. You'd think they'd keep the stars stuff evergreen but marvel is that retarded.
>>153535313Mando was bait and switch to introduce other things. The sad thing is, the darksaber, Bo Katan etc when first introduced, they were introduced fine. The backstory didn't feel like homework because they were explained enough in the show. The problem is when they began to overtake the main character in his own story. And then Kathleen and Filoni were saying stuff like, well the title doesn't just refer to one Mandalorian hehe.You make dog awful sequel trilogy. You strip things back to basics and have a character like Mando be so basic but people fucking love it because the simplicity sells, you introduce your dumb shit and even then people are okay with it to a point but then they just go overboard.
>>153535355I'd highly recommend the audio book adaptation if you haven't experienced it yet.
>>153535355Epic collections simply got fucked because everyone went omnibus mad. And the price got massively increased as well. Unless you're collecting them as you go along, you get fucked like that. You can of course get the omnibus editions instead but then you get given so much other shit.
>>153535442Even the omnibuses will rape you sideways if you miss out. At those prices I honestly just went and got the actual comics. Paid a little more than I'd like but not near that and having the actual comics is nicer.
>>153535504They're usually a bit more forgiving before they sell out and they are usually more forthcoming with reprints. Usually. I sincerly believe Marvel are creating a collected editions bubble that will eventually burst with the amount of stuff they pump out generally.
>>153529222Old Wounds
>>153529979>Here's a fucking rock
>>153529222when I was in middle school I was a huge star wars fan and a teacher got me a pendrive with a bunch of translated star wars comics, I barely remember much of them now but the one that stuck to me the most had a battle in a medieval-esque forest but with floating bikes instead of horses. the mixture of high tech with ancient setting really fascinated me.
What’s one or a few things you hate about the Expanded Universe canon and something you like that Disneywars canon did?I personally thought that the Spaarti Cloning Cylinders were kind of dumb, especially introducing them as far back as to the clone wars. Don’t really miss most of how Legacy turned out, but still like some of its elements like Talon. I liked Soule’s run of Darth Vader.
>>153529222star wars talesbut maybe any dark horse comics between 1999-2010.
>>153537826Cool teacher. We had a pretty big Star Wars fan as a teacher in our senior year. He was some fresh out of college pud so the class generally walked all over him but me and a friend tried to cut him slack and talk Star Wars. This was during the days of Episode 1 build up hype, god what a time that was.
All the tales series, i wish they had made revan, meetra surik and both kotor games stories in comic like those
>>153529979>shitting on geodeKys.
>>153539038>What’s one or a few things you hate about the Expanded Universe canonThe neverending Skywalker obsession.>something you like that Disneywars canon did?I think modern stuff has a better sense of the moral framework as defined in the movies.
>>153540835>I think modern stuff has a better sense of the moral framework as defined in the movies.Could you elaborate?
>>153541031The Force in a lot of the EU just feels like generic wizardry, which isn't incorrect, but it needs the spiritual/moral framework to be meaningful and bounded. Much like Lucas I think they've overextended with things like sabers turning red in an instant as in Acolyte, but I think that's preferable to Dark Empire's Dark Side Internship or the laughable story with Exar-chan in TotJ.
>>153529222>>153529232>>153529253This series was very good, the art quality was a bit inconsistent though
>>153541516On principle I don't disagree but I sure as fuck don't see where you're getting that in the newer canon. Frankly most of it seems to go out of the way to be all NUH UH THE FORCE IS DUMB! And not even in a cooler KoToR2 kind of way.
>>153529222Hard to choose. Republic from TPM all the way to Rebellion and closing off with Legacy is great. Also Tales of the Jedi. Love LOVE the sword and sorcery in space aesthetic. I'm currently going through the original Marvel comics. It's amusing that the artists always struggle with Vader's mask.
>>153535125It would have happened with or without Disney.
>>153535313I would watch some of the new shows but I simply do not like TCW. I tried multiple times. I don't like Ahsoka, Anakin is very OOC compared to Hayden, and Obi Wan's sarcasm makes me want to tear my hair out. I can't watch hundreds of episodes just to enjoy some of the new stuff. I heard Bad Batch and Mau are more gritty but fuck that insane homework.
>>153541779Try the Gendy series
>>153541917Brother I watched it multiple times since it came out.
Dark times was superb too. 2006–2013 was absolute great.
>>153530305prolly hunted down by malak high on rakata dark side
So like... has Disney actually acknowledged Mara Jade and Revan yet? I know the wiki has given them "canon" articles based on Lego game appearances but it's a little silly to say they're canon based on intentionally non-canon entries into the franchise just because they were made after 2014.
>>153534042>What's truly weird is how little we got of the ST era itself. every character got 1 mini ordained as part of the marketing/PR campaign for the trilogy.After that even when Marvel was free to work the license, nobody else wanted to touch the sequels since Tales of the Somehow happened.
>>153529253I prefer her sister, who should've raped Zayne>>153529547ayy
>>153534466>No, it was built for SPIN OFFS BABY: Ahsoka, Boba Fett, that cancelled Rangers of the New Republic show. (Boba Fett and Obi Wan show were just reworked cancelled A Star Wars Story movie plots; I feel like the Obi Wan plot was pretty much taken by the Fallen Order game.)Substancial difference from the usual take. People generally argue that the Filoni-Favreau duo director Mandalorian has Filoni overtake Favreau in season 3 and that's why it became a references galore.I genuinely can't tell if wasn't worth it because we had an unironic DARK GREETINGS mofference and i still kek to this day
>>153544183I think Revan got a mention in some clone wars or rebels episode but Mara is probably as big a sore spot
>>153544238>People generally argue that the Filoni-Favreau duo director Mandalorian has Filoni overtake Favreau in season 3 and that's why it became a references galore.The usual take is just wrong. So much stuff happened before season 3 too. In my opinion the Mandalorian was always a pretty cynical and shrewd show in its production. But the simplicity of its structure is what drew people to it, it was as much a palate cleanser as anything, simple adventures compared to the mess of the sequels. They had serious Disney+ pressures at the time and all this stuff did was give them the greenlight to shit out series, especially turning former movie ideas into series. And having stuff spin off the established show was even better. Even early in Mando, the Grogu thing was pretty much there to establish that clones were being made because Snoke. It was always bait and switch. And that is what makes it worse. Disney managed to sucker people in AGAIN and it briefly worked until people noticed that this was just Marvel Star Wars 2.0.
Which omnis are good?
>>153544183>>153544269Mara is strongly verboten unfortunately. I don't get her arc in the Thrawn trilogy is kino
>>153544269>>153544491>redhead>something good happening to Luke>the actual skywalker bloodline continuingnever
>>153541779TCW suffers from the earlier content being absolute kiddy shit but the quality increasing as the season go along to the point where it becomes worthwhile by season 3.
>>153544421the dark horse ones all of them, don't bother with dissney stuff, maybe vader stuff from charles soule is good-ishVader 2015 is to plain and Larroca is not helpingThen you had Vader from 2019-2022 is okish art is good but too many mediocre crossover, Sabe is the main character and not vader.Stay away from doctor aphra she is literally:>john constantine fatigue in star wars universe
>>153544663>the dark horse ones all of themBut if you had to choose between them
>>153544663>Stay away from doctor aphra she is literally:>john constantine fatigue in star wars universeShe's only that when written by British writers, when written by anyone else, she's just an insufferable lesbian Harley Quinn type character.
>>153544407>noticed that this was just Marvel Star Wars 2.0.Was it really? You have Mando S2, S3 and Ashoka for the "SWU" and I'm pretty sure nothing elseWe can argue Book of Booba Feet was "SWU" but to me, it felt like a vanity season where Filoni cashed in on his good standing to have a "fans run the asylum" moment. It didn't build up to anything and killed more than one character.As for the rest:>Andorvanity show by high profile director with personal approval from kenneth, and a definite ending>The AcolyteVanity show by a low profile but ambitious director that also had personal approval from Kennet, and a definite ending>Skeleton CrewOriginal self-contained concept with a bait & switch marketing campaign and definite ending>KenobiOnly surviving pre-aproved/recycled series from the pre-Solo status quo, unrelated to "SWU" that couldn't be aborted once The Somehow crashed the franchise.I honestly don't really understand the big fan rebellion of 2024 over the Acolyte, because EP3 was cringe but it had literally nothing in common with all the previous fucks up the franchise had
>>153534222>>153534358It's ridiculous and it infuriates me. It's so easy to make money with Star Wars; it's actually impressive how Disney failed at it.They could probably dump the IP onto a bunch of Gaming studios and ride the profits; And I'm not talking about big studios either, I'm talking the Warhammer 40k approach but times 4. Hell we have a huge Nostalgia/AAA fatigue and no Star Wars games are taking advantage of it. New Super Star Wars games? Metroidvania Star Wars? Fuck they greenlit Kinect Star Wars with dancing Palpatine but won't turn up production now, give me a break. Give me a Star Wars beat 'em up like the TMNT game. Give me a deck builder game. Give me a Smuggler managing or exploration game. GIVE ME A FUCKING 4X STRATEGY GAME, I AM TIRED OF PLAYING EMPIRE AT WAR IT'S BEEN ALMOST 20 YEARS.But no, you get 2 FPS multiplayer focused games. 2 SoulsLite games. 1 Post-2010 Ubisoft game. 1 flight simulator game that was abandoned due to obvious bad decisions by the head devs/writing team. 1 racing game?. And a ton, a ton of mobile slop.>Baldurs Gate made a ton of money? Don't care, no one wants a SW CRPG>GTA Online makes a ton of money? People still play Galaxies? Don't care, no one wants a SW MMO>Boomer Shooters, Metroidvanias, Party Games, Horror, VR, Flight Sims...NOTHING
>>153545150>1 flight simulator game that was abandoned due to obvious bad decisions by the head devs/writing team.What were the problems with squadrons? I never played it
>>153545390I personally really enjoyed the gameplay, and I think the game is brilliantly optimized (even my decade old PC could run it) and looks stunning. But then you have the Campaign which was rubbish. Shitty characters, the most unimaginative plot ever, and in-between missions is a slog to go through because you have to go and talk to all these characters before you get to progress to the next mission. And because the characters suck, it's like scrapping sandpaper on your forehead. The game also didn't get a lot of hype behind it, so the Multiplayer was dead when I played. It really was a shame.https://youtu.be/1-59D8HGDTQhttps://youtu.be/rZki-v47RigI even liked the short movie they didhttps://youtu.be/f2VmOqjV_7QThis all had me imagining. If Disney wanted to, they could fund a War Thunder-esque Star Wars game. Just imagine the possibilities... that's the sort of stuff kid me dreamed gaming would be like in the future...
>>153545716those graphics with Tie Fighter's story and mechanics would be the dream
>>153545150>It's so easy to make money with Star Wars; it's actually impressive how Disney failed at it.There has to be something going on, some insane Springtime for Palpatine esque plan because this should be impossible
>>153544971>Was it really? You have Mando S2, S3 and Ashoka for the "SWU" and I'm pretty sure nothing elseMandalorian set up Ahsoka, Book of Boba Fett and was going to set up Rangers of the New Republic, until it was cancelled. The success of the Mandalorian also gave them the greenlight to redo A Star Wars Story movies into shows (Obi Wan/Boba Fett). Apparently Thrawn will be their Thanos for a big crossover of Mandalorian, Ahsoka etc. Basically their redone sequels using a mix of old EU etc.Also I think you're misunderstanding somewhat what I mean. The Marvelisation of Star Wars isn't directly about copying the MCU approach exactly in it's structure with crossovers, like you seen to think I'm suggesting. It's about tone, general attitude, production pressures and everything else. It's about taking the success and formula for one thing and allowing that pressure to shift your franchise into the mess it became. The whole entertainment industry broke itself copying the MCU. Sony wanted a Ghostbusters universe, a Spider-Man universe (it tried twice). Universal tried twice with the Dark Universe/monster universe. The structure of the Star Wars universe under Disney was built around hoe successful the MCU was. And that's part of the problem.
God I miss when they made shit for boys. We've been stuck in dyke hell for so long. At least my honorary aryans still have something attached to the bottom of their torsos.
>>153546179>Apparently Thrawn will be their Thanos for a big crossover of Mandalorian, Ahsoka etc. Basically their redone sequels using a mix of old EU etc.ooofYou what I'd rather believe this is Filoni being usual pulp episodic Filoni and not Disney being so retarded as to plan this and deliberately gimp the shows for this.>>153546179>The whole entertainment industry broke itself copying the MCU. Sony wanted a Ghostbusters universe, a Spider-Man universe (it tried twice). Universal tried twice with the Dark Universe/monster universe. The structure of the Star Wars universe under Disney was built around hoe successful the MCU was. And that's part of the problem.Yeah I see it now, I just didn't classify it under "marvelization", just "assembly line cashgrabs".
>>153546969Even Avengers though at least seemed like it had some project outline. At least at first. I don't get how you can't come up with a plan for Star Wars, it's literally just picture perfect heroes journey
>>153541616>what's that Luke, ANOTHER antagonistic red head you have romantic tension with?>people are gonna talk
>>153529222I have a soft spot for the Quinlan Vos stories in the Republic book.
>>153535150pottery
>>153529222No love for Crimson Empire? Pure 90s edge and Clint Eastwood as a Royal Guard
>>153531095Another victim of Disney purge. Wouldn't mind, but they insisted of making it the grand finale of Legends Star Wars so the final issue is a big bad Jedi vs Sith battle even though up to that point Sith were hiding after Krayt got killed
>>153529600Yowch! THAT'S gonna leave a mark!
>>153529222my favorite star wars comic is Jedi Academy
I like Crimson Empire
>>153534095He was retconned as Mosep Binneed working under Jabba's name in the Kenobi novel. The EU started referencing the old Marvel comics more once they got reprinted.
