Yesterday we found out what really happened with the Gathering of Five, and Magister only dumped half an adventure>previous threadshttps://pastebin.com/05Hne7cs
Looks like we're the point where Sandman is a villain again
Okay, so far so good
>>153531993Does Johnny know yet? I'm guessing he doesn't but how long till he finds out?
>>153532032Not 'til 2005.
>>153532065That's a ways away yet
>>153532018Fuck you byrne flint made a great good guy and he and Ben were good friends
>>153531962Is Trapster going through a ninja phase? Not the Japanese thing I would've imagined from him.
>>153531967>Annually probing your brother-in-law to keep him humbleEven with the 'nua', that's really messed up, Reed.
>>153532095Over 10 years of stories down the drain because of one man's autism
WellOne down
>>153532268Ever since the Clone Saga, it's been a freefall of undoing things.>No baby>Norman's back>Vulture's old>Kingsley's the Hobgoblin>Aunt May's alive
Okay, I think I have a game plan for thisWatch me fuck it up
>>153532372Well, that's... an image.
>>153532095And here I thought spider sense could protect against sucker punches. Or at least give him enough of a warning to lessen the blow.
Where is Prodigy's giant fake nose?
>>153532475Pete don’t you actually have a job that pays well that you could be at then?
>>153532171>peter getting kissed by another woman in front of his wife and aunt
So for the few of you who haven't read Slingers before; The gimmick of the first issue is that there are four versions and they're about ~50% the sameSo I'm going to cycle between the differences as they becomes relevantThose first six pages are the same but now we diverge
>>153532805>>153532811>>153532835So Prodigy went from Superman to Batman.
>>153532866Yeah he's not really sticking to Peter's original script
>>153532675Outside of them completely ignoring how Peter lost any of these costumes, wasn’t the whole thing with this suit that it was to heavy for a non powered person to use?
And this is where the four issues come back together
>>153532095Shit. It was good while it lasted.
>>153532179I"m sorry, but no. The Wizard has been a joke villain since at least Acts of Vengeance. Maybe the Mad Thinker, but not the Wizard.
>>153532225>cassieIs this before Cassie Batgirl?
And we split again
>>153533120By a matter of months.
>>153533138Huh, wish I could go back in time to see how that was going over at the time.
>>153533138I can't believe DC ripped off beloved Marvel character Dusk
>>153533199Considering what happens to this dude, this is kinda sad
>>153533169Does that mean Wonder Girl Cassie is a rip-off of Cassie Lang?
>>153533281>>153533415Gotta say, I like this artist's bug-eyed expressions.
And back together again
And there we goThat wasn't as painful as I feared, even if it went a little longLooks like tomorrow it's more Slingers.I don't hate these guys, of course they're suffering from some early series roughness. But there's potential for story here I see
>>153533551Thanks for storytiming, Magister!
>>153533551And like most things in Marvel, that potential gets squandered and you never see or hear from them again. A shame... Dusk's a cutie.
>>153533576Prodigy's in The Initiative. That's something, right?
>>153533551Thanks magister
>>153533576They showed up in Beyond, but that's about it.
>>153535592*Beyond and PAD's Ben Reilly series.
>>153532573>So for the few of you who haven't read Slingers before; The gimmick of the first issue is that there are four versions and they're about ~50% the sameI was going to ask if Marvel made a version that combined all issues into one, but apparently this series hasn't been reprinted or uploaded to Marvel Unlimited
>>153532268>Over 10 years of stories down the drain because of one man's autism>So many such casesThanks, Byrne
>>153534817Richochet was in Loners, Dusk showed up in a Ms Marvel story I think, and Hornet got killed for no reason in Millar's Wolverine run.
>>153533099Anon, stop. A villain can come back from one bad portrayal provided everyone shuts up about it instead of trying to define them by it. There aren't that many Wizard appearances between then and this story, but none of them were "joke villain". Even Acts of Vengeance is more about him being completely out of his depth amongst the big dogs of Marvel villainy.
>>153532573>So for the few of you who haven't read Slingers before; The gimmick of the first issue is that there are four versions and they're about ~50% the sameFeels like Marvel looked at DC and saw that they did a similar gimmick with Team Titans #1, but decided to take it a step further and have Chriscross draw 87 pages total
>>153537333>instead of trying to define them by itThere's some irony in saying this in the same thread as the Sandman reversion. I'd try to find it, but I'm too busy missing Macendale.
>>153532095this is fucking retarded.
>>153532091>>153532095>"He was on FBI's list therefore he is a bad guy!">Ignore him just going straight, working for a well respected mercenary unit, becoming an AVENGER of all things>Also make him related to Norman Osborn just for kicksByrne sucks
>>153533323Prodigy what the hell?
>>153532391Wasn't Kingsley/Hobgoblin embargoed for about a decade until Slott brought him back just to kill him off and give the identity to Phil Ulrich in Big Time?
>>153539592Sort of. The character got embargoed but Bendis used Kingskey in Secret Wars 4, but fan complaints led to Bendis having to retcon him being a new version that only appeared that one time (same with that story's version of Diamondback which was supposed to be Rachel Leighton but got turned into a new version that only appeared once).Then DeFalco used him in the second Spider girl mini as the big bad
>>153537646>There's some irony in saying this in the same thread as the Sandman reversion.Irony wasn't planned. With Sandman it wasn't one story making him look like a loser, and nobody having the sense to let it go, it was a star talent being set on turning a reformed ex-villain back into a villain, and Marvel editorial turning 'Sandman is a villain again' into a hill they'd die on despite nobody else really wanting it. Like a lot of things stars like Byrne get to break, there never seem to be many people in the industry who actually want to fix things.>I'd try to find it, but I'm too busy missing Macendale.You're not alone. I suspect a number of the Shocker appearances in Mackie's 1997-1998 Spidey books where he's working as a merc might have been him instead if editorial hadn't killed him.
>>153539592>>153539631As far as we know, there wasn't an embargo, it was just Spider-Man writers not wanting to use Temu Norman when the real Norman was available. Slott addressed it in an interview after he killed him and made Phil the new Hobgoblin, he said once the mystery was over there was nothing interesting about Kingsley and nobody had wanted to use him in years outside of DeFalco's Spider-Girl AU, so he tried to replace him with a new Hobgoblin who proved different enough to Norman that he'd get more usage. Fans didn't want Phil to be a villain, but he was showing up in a lot of different books, but Spider-Man fandom has a lot of 80s kids and Hobgoblin was their first big bad, there was a lot of fan anger about Slott killing Kingsley, he caved in and brought him back then insisted it was always his plan.IIRC the Hobgoblin in Bendis' Secret War was always meant to be a new guy, he reacts to Spider-Man like they've never met.
>>153539643>and Marvel editorial turning 'Sandman is a villain again' into a hill they'd die on despite nobody else really wanting it.They do a lot of that, don't they.
>>153539962Fragile egos I bet
>>153539643>there never seem to be many people in the industry who actually want to fix thingsOn the contrary, there are too many. They fix the issues like Peter becoming a father, Aunt May knowing about Spider-Man's identity, or Sandman reforming. They do nothing but fix these deviations from what they know Spider-Man must be.
>>153533311>Any more bright ideas?
Meh
>>153539704Actually there was an embargo. Stern admitted there was after Goblin at the gates, that Kingsley was off limits except to him.And Slott killed Kingsley off because he was pissy that Stern was too thin skinned for the mandate that all writers on BND Spidey had to badmouth the marriage after he did some one time while promoting his Juggernaut arc in the Gauntlet
>>153533032It's a rough read, but these two are kinda cute.
>>153543705>Actually there was an embargo. Stern admitted there was after Goblin at the gates, that Kingsley was off limits except to him.I can buy that there was an embargo between Hobgoblin Lives in 1996 and Goblins at the Gates in 1998, I can buy that it stayed in place while that editorial regime was there, but I don't for one minute believe that after Quesada became EIC and replaced most of the editorial old guard with his own people, and Stern hadn't worked there in years anyway, that anyone cared at all about keeping that embargo in place. JMS, Jenkins, etc, just didn't care about using him.IIRC Stern stuck to the party line on BND and the marriage like all the other writers, that Slott killed Kingsley for the reasons he said is believable, Slott did have a stopped clock moment there.
>>153542813Exactly.
>>153533551I was wondering how you'd handle the 4 different first issues of slingers #1Well done
Fuck, Spider-Man got really retarded.
>>153548739no u
>>153532059I like how the artist depicted a lit flashlight facing head-on
