https://www.thepopverse.com/comics-spider-man-brand-new-day-oral-history-marvel-matters-comics>“We wanted to bring in some cast members, and Gwen was one of those cast members that I remembered fondly as a kid,” Joe Quesada told me in a 2010 interview for Spider-Man Crawlspace. “Both JMS and myself were vehement; we wanted to bring her back. We passed this piece of paper around a room of 50 creatives, and we put Gwen, and no Gwen. And we asked people anonymously to check one box. By the time it got back to me, bringing Gwen back had won out by one vote. One single vote. So, we were going to bring Gwen back.”>A few months later, Brevoort approached Quesada and convinced him to keep Gwen in the grave.>“Tom walked into my office, closed the door, and he said, 'It’s a mistake. Bringing Gwen back is a mistake.' And we talked about it. One of the things that he said that was poignant was she’s been dead longer than she was alive in the comic books. So, the only people that really remember her with that sort of affection are fans that have been reading the books for that long a period of time. So, he questioned me and said, is it something that you want to bring back because you emotionally like the character or is it really going to be good for the cast?”>In the end, Quesada concedes that Gwen’s revival would’ve felt too cosmic for a Spider-Man comic.
>>153535757But Spider-Gwen is somehow okay, sure whatever.
>>153535757That's real interesting. Isn't that Gwenschizo guy a huge supporter of Tom Brevoort and the current X-Men line? I wonder what he thinks about the guy in charge of the X-Men also being the one who is making sure Gwen Stacy stays dead? That the more he supports his favorite comic, the longer Gwen Stacy is going to stay gone forever?
>>153535757>>153535780*chuckling* Let the blonde whore rot.
>>153535757This doesn't change my opinion on him.
>>153535807I'm curious if this changes the polish guy's opinion on him but he won't wake up for another seven hours or so.
>>153535757Based Tom
>>153535773It doesn’t invalidate her death in 616 and she’s essentially a complete different character so yes.
>>153535834Arguably a better character too. A Superior Gwen.
>>153535757something something broken clock
>>153535807This fable just informs me how much of a contrarian he is, his points to Joe aren't arguments for why it's bad for the cast, only observations about how the majority and Joe feel.Secondly I'd humor this if it was a landslide in one way or the other and Joe was just mulling over if he should do it anyway, but the tight wire part just reeks of trying to cop that Jason Todd died by a single vote energy. On that note what the fuck was Gwen going to do after all that time for significance? Become Gem Goblin and start killing off crime families?Find a higher place to hang?
>>153535780noo... you can't mean... surely, you are not implying...
>>153535757Why are there so many fucking Gwenfags at Marvel?
>>153535757I’m fucking serious.How are there so many boomers obsessed with bringing back Gwen Stacy?Peter was married to Mary Jane for thirty years and these literal boomers and Gen Xers are obsessed with the 70s.
>>153535757Didn't Dan Buckley claim that it he decided not to bring her back because it was a tie and he felt that the pro-Gwen team needed one more vote to win?
>>153535757I might've said this was a positive but honestly at this point why not? Who cares, bring her back, just complete the return to the 60s. No saving this franchise anyway, bring back Uncle Ben and Flash's legs too, who cares
>>153536093Yeah, but OMD isn't the only time they tried to bring Gwen back. Secret Invasion was also supposed to see her return as well.
>>153536108Bringing her back is a bad idea. In fact, Paul, while being utter dogshit, was still a less bad idea than bringing the original Gwen Stacy back. They can't justify it to themselves, and thus they always get cold feet. Sorry to all the schizos.
>>153536123I think Paul was also a means to bring Gwen back. Cebulski was hyping up Gwen in the early days of Wells' run. There was also a one-shot that never came about as well as a blurb about Peter's destiny being tied to the Krakoan Resurrection Protocols.
>>153536123I don't think it's any worse than any of the other dumb ideas they've had at this point. Maybe in a vacuum but the franchise has been so run into the dirt it's like, what does it matter? I'd say that this would at least stop them from milking the death all the fucking time but I'm sure they'd still find a way.
>>153536139Again, they just can't bring themselves to do it. Because they don't know what to do with it once it's done. Gwen is back, and then nothing. Because there's nothing you really can do with Gwen. Shay Marken, that nothingburger character? She was pretty much the OG Gwen Stacy, just brown. And nobody, not even the writers, could force themselves to give a fuck about Shay. Kelly replaced her with some space-bitch and she's out of the cast pages. That bitch is somehow even more dead and buried than fucking Paul.
>>153536107>bring back Uncle Ben and Flash's legs too, who caresQuesada think that Ben Death is a key factor for the character.Although ,he also think that Wolverine not having memories are not that important and Steve can have many conections pre-Captain.He was a retarded EiC that only the fags Who readers who started with Bendis/Brubaker Daredevil and Nuvenger like
>firing Brevoort means one step closer into undoing the OMD>but doing that also means one step closer into reviving original Gwen StacyMight as well make the DC Collab 2026 Spider-Man's fffm_foursome route canon in the mainline comics at this point. Give her a symbiote like Toxin while we're at it.
>>153536589>he also think that Wolverine not having memories are not that importantIt isn’t. His mysterious past was fun and all but it’s been 20 years and the character didn’t lose its appeal or be worse off just because you now had a definitive origin story for him. You got some bad stories out of it but it’s not like you didn’t have those even when his past was a mystery.>and Steve can have many conections pre-Captain.This isn’t fundamentally wrong or bad either. It can get dumb but it’s so inconsequential that you can ignore these things as they almost never come up again anyway
>>153535757>she fucked Norman Osborn, so… no. We keep that whore dead.>you don’t think so? Fine. Then I’m cancelling the X-Men.
Make interdimensional travel less "It's Tuesday" and send Spider-Gwen back.
>>153538510Nah, keep her. She serves a vital function in being another nail in 616 Gwen Stacy’s coffin.
>>153536139>Peter's destiny being tied to the Krakoan Resurrection ProtocolsAh, then no wonder Tom Brevoort killed Krakoa and retconned the resurrection protocols into a bad thing. It was to keep Gwen Stacy dead this whole time.
>>153538510As long as Ghost-Spider exists, Gwen is staying in the ground.
>>153538567>Krakoa and retconned the resurrection protocolsDon't they still exist in Marvel Rivals? I'd commend the efforts if original Gwen is somehow added as a playable character in such Chinese game, especially that there is no Gwenpool nor Spider Gwen in the roster.
>>153535959Ideally Gwen coming back could be seen as the ultimate cock block for Peter and MJ getting back together on the basis that writers would push her and Peter as a couple. Especially if they also planned to force MJ and Harry together.
What about that whole "Gwen was resurrected by weapon X"? Was it just a clone after all?>>153538567>Ah, then no wonder Tom Brevoort killed Krakoa and retconned the resurrection protocols into a bad thing.Why is it a bad thing now?
>>153537450With Wolverine's real name and his past, the movies put Marvel in a situation where they felt like they were forced to make something up before Hollywood did it for them. Even if you don't care for what they came up with, it's understandable why it happened.On the subject of Captain America, Brevoort has also said most people who got to write the book would pitch stories for bringing Bucky back, and he'd rejected a number of them himself, and had a list of conditions Brubaker's story had to meet before he'd agree to it, though some here have suggested that it was more just that things had changed and Brubaker was allowed to do it because Quesada was in charge now and his boys got to do whatever they wanted.
>>153539169Under Brevoort it was revealed that Krakoa's cloning system suffered from clone degeneration syndrome after all also Jackyl's clones.But only Magneto and Mystique have it so far and mainly it's a plot device to sideline them (Mystique) and keep them from being too OP on their team.
>>153535757I have to agree despite my contempt for the man.>>153536080I'm GenX and I've NEVER understood the Gwen obsession. She was mawkish and dull.
>>153538574the plan was literally merging both her and george with their 616 counterparts and claim that they were at witness protection at europe due to kingpin and otto, but brevoort is literally a damn dildio level of threat that needs to be blacklisted from the industry
>>153539428>the subject of Captain America, Brevoort has also said most people who got to write the book would pitch stories for bringing Bucky back, and he'd rejected a number of them himselfJim Shooter said the same thing, anybody who wanted to write Cap wanted to bring Bucky back and anyone who wanted to write Spider-Man wanted to kill off Aunt May.
>>153535757And?Being less retarded than Quesada is hardly an achievement
>>153537450Origins was just a Secret garden rip off and his comics since Old man logan has been Spiderman tier but without people seething at how bad they were.
>>153539064I would only find Gwen coming back agreeable if she had nothing but contempt for Peter for being responsible for her father's death and then lying through omission about it. Unfortunately all the Gwenfags who want her back just want their uwu relationship back and paper over the massive problems she should have with him.
>>153539169>What about that whole "Gwen was resurrected by weapon X"? Was it just a clone after all?Yes. She was a clone of yet another Gwen Stacy clone for good measure.
No no no Gwenfaggots I thought Tom Brevoort was Gwenschizo’s friend now the MJchads are laughing at us, they’re laughing at our pedophile leader…
Everyone who cares about gwen stacey will be dead in 10 years. She was hated when she was alive and everyone was happy when she died.Bringing her back wont make spiderman better, or the comics not suck. It will help a few losers feel good but the character of spiderman will be relegated to sub avengers E-tier.Deadpool and Wolverine have already taken his place as the face of marvel.
>>153540292More like Gen W amirite?
>>153535757Marvel needs to die and become an ip retirement home fast, its amazing how anti-storytelling they are
>>153542303Loeb and Sale's revisionist Spider-Man Blue created an entire generation of Gwenfags.
>>153535757What's the point when there is a Spider-Gwen and Gwenpool running around at the same time?
>>153543742Yeah. Tom Brevoort is right.
>>153542530That kind of idealized waifuism for Gwen was getting old when Busiek and Ross did it in Marvels a decade earlier. The industry is just full of Gwenfags, at Marvel you probably have to be one to be allowed into the club.
>>153543742If original Gwen really gets revived then the clones and the multiverse refugees need to go. It only makes sense. Her death started both so her revival should end those sagas..
>>153542334Anon I know you are trying to insult me but I don't get it
>>153535757Another datapoint in my "Fat Bearded Retard with a Stupid Hat Ruins Everything He Touches" Thesis.
>>153546626W is zoomerslang for win, opposite of LSo hes calling you Gen Awesome basically
>>153535959>Become Gem Goblin>>153545343
>>153535757Why bring back og gwen when you have...>GWENVERINE>GWENPOOLE>SPIDER GWENWho would you like to fuck spider chuds?
>>153548005You forgot>GWENCLOPS>GWEN GREY>GWENBILEE>GWENCRAWLER>THE SILVER GWENFER>GWENOM>THE TASKGWENSTER>THE SCARLET GWENAnd the rest of the Marvel Gweniverse
While good, I fucking hate how they just whore her image out with dumb shit like Spider-Gwen
>>153548061Well, Gwen is a whore.
>>153535757I thought the story was OMD was going to bring Gwen back but it was agreed that it would cause to many canon problems in general to do that since it would establish a canon from before even giant sized x-men. Gwen is more important as a dead character than as a living one
>>153548299No, it turned out to be more half-assed and ill considered than that, as with everything related to OMD and BND
Still no Gwen Stacy in the MCU
>>153538474>she fucked Norman Osborn, so… no. We keep that whore dead.this. Quesada had just ruined her with the Sins Past retcons. Bringing her back would have been an awful idea.
>>153550296>Gwen Stacy in the MCUYou heard what Andrew Garfield said to Tom Holland. Become an OC fucker so you don't end up like me and all that.
>>153542414By 2040 the OG BND crew will finally be gone, the question will be how cherry-picked and cabal approved the successors are.
