She can be black, sure, whatever. Why did they have to make her ugly?
Because it's not about representation. It's about ruining everything.
Why do I feel like a tranny drew this?
>>153538217Trannies and libs just intensely hate cool shit. Been that way for at least ten years now >>153538228The noses are a dead giveaway
Because the point is to be as obnoxiously performative as possible. This leads to a perverse incentive to make characters ugly and unlikable.
>>153538217The only valid reason to change an established character's race is if you're going to do something creatively interesting with it. If the character could be swapped back to their original race and nothing has changed then there was no point in changing them in the first place.
>>153538217They think Harrison Bergeron has a happy ending. Everyone must be dragged down to the bottom so ugly idiots don't have their pwecious feewings hurt.
>>153538217Agreed, although I also agree with >>153538322 in the sense that there's no point in changing a well-stablished characters race and main features if not for a good reason.Changing it just for brownie points sucks, it almost always makes me dislike the character, at least initially. It feels forced,>>153538228It does have some very powerful tumblr vibes to it.
>>153538217how do you make her black without making her ugly?
>>153538217Because black women and ugliness go hand and hand
>>153538556Make a Caucasian and then paint it black
>>153538228The nose.
>>153538217>2012Millennial chicks see themselves as the quirky girl>2018Millennial chicks push dei into everything>2023Millennial chicks are 30+ and fat now so anything that's pretty and thin is problematic
>Akchually
>>153538556Hire a Japanese artist. In fact, just give TMNT to Capcom. Baka gaijins can't be trusted with the IP.
>>153538217What else would she be if black?
>>153538217>That nose
>>153538217Because hacks think beauty is unrealistic.
>>153538217>She can be black, sure, whatever.YOU CAN'T GIVE IN!
>>153538217That's just how basketball American women look like>>153538228because you are mindbroken
>>153538228I think a biological woman may have drew this, but I picture her to be a fat they/them Hispanic lesbian with glasses and a nose piercing.
>>153538702how come you don't use a pic from the earlier issues?
>>153538217You have to wonder why they bother race-swapping characters. It's never improved a character....I suppose some people might prefer MCU's Nick Fury, but that's just people like Samuel L Jackson.
>>153539248You know damn well why.
>>153539267MCU Fury is so shit that I'm glad they made him black.
>>153538217no she can't
>>153538702April was drawn originally with straight hair and fair complexion. They had Corben color the comic and April was white, even before the cartoon was in development. They oversaw the color. Two isses in she got a perm, but again, that perm is similar to many people at the time, e.g. Cher. Then eventually she gave up the perm. That picture you posted was her sporting a tan. Perm and a tan but then white in original complexion and coloring. The one time she was "black" in the original series was a guest era of the series where freelancers contributed issues, some of these did not follow canon. And heck even that one, the first printing in black and white did not make her look black but the colored printing did. When it was recolored she was white. So one guest issue she went from white to black to white again.In the artobiography Kevin Eastman said that April was originally meant to be Asian (no one ever mentions this) and that her name came from an African American woman he knew (this woman was mixed race in real life). April had many different fashion looks, including that hair cut. The woman Eastman referred to was his ex wife, who to be fair looks incredibly fair skinned. BUT April also looked like other (white) women he was with, as well as other influences.Laird once said, he always saw April as white, but if you asked Eastman he might, I suspect, say she was mixed race like his former partner. But Laid also says he always saw her as white, likely Irish/Scottish and English ancestry. He said the color of her skin in color reprints had Kevin put in more input, and in those original ones she was white. The one comic that Peter colored that made April look darker was more his failure in coloring using Photoshop. The two main issues they had before printing were Baxter's race (white to black) and April's name, but her race was decided. So she was conceived as Asian, given a mixed race woman's name, drawn and colored white but then with some ambiguity.
>>153538217That pic makes 2023 look cuter than she is.The 2023 source has one of the caucasian nose phenotypes, which just makes her face look odd and draws attention to the bloated lips of her design. It's something that I'm starting to notice in a lot of artist that emphasizes the lips but shies away from the nose since it makes the head look like a fish. Not to mention that with the texture, her dreads just look like someone glued sausages to her head.The tumblr art in your pic has a more typical wider black phenotype and fatter cheeks, which helps convey the horizontalness of the design and makes her look more human, more softer and, dare I say, kinda sexy and inviting. I want this thick mommy's milk.
>>153538217what's wrong with their noses?
>>153539421>then with some ambiguity.I cut off my post. The ambiguity is only from some of those Eastman comments. Especially around the name. But Eastman never said she was completely based on his ex, just the name.
>>153539465Pic related, Eastman's ex, April Fisher.
>>153539436why she is shaped like a turtle?
>>153539529You know damn well why.
>>153539495Now THATS April
>>153538217>becoming more tumblr by the version
>>153538702Fuck off Anthony Gramuglia.
>>153538428>It feels forced
>>153538217Her being black and ugly are a package deal. The reason they made her black is the same reason they made her ugly. If they want a blacl girl character to hang with the turtles, dont make her a race swapped April and make her actually hot.
>153538702You bullshit got disproved years ago and it wont get any more true no matter how much you bury your head.
>>153539139This. Give them an inch, they take a mile. Its why we're in the situation we're in.
>>153538217In all seriousness, why not just make a new character and make her black? Why do you have to raceswap preexisting characters.
>>153539190found the tranny
>>153538228the jawline
I'll accept an April of any raceI will NEVER accept her being ugly
>>153539529Why make a new model when you can reuse one
I'll fuck any April cosplay of any race. I'm not gay.
>>153541952>nonwhite "ginger"disgusting. Arguably the worst aspect of browning April frankly. It never looks natural. Just make a new character at that point.
>>153538228Like everyone else said: the noses.
Borderline SFW
>>153538228because you know what you are
>>153541355Meant for >>153538702
>>153541952Pic unrelated, I can only assume.
>>153539421>>153539495A lot of the "originally April was going to be" talk amounts to mildly interesting trivia, but not actual evidence that April was meant to be black and that some crossed wire or miscommunication had her drawn as a white girl for numerous issues over numerous years.It would be like someone insisting that >actually Shredder is supposed to have cheese graters on his arms because Eastman picked up a cheese grater and that gave him the idea for Shredder!or>the turtles aren't supposed to look like that! Originally they were drawn to look way more like actual turtles!If they wanted her to be black or mixed race, they have all the time in the world to do that. They didn't and in one case even had to have an issue done by a different colorist because one guy misread her as black when she wasn't because of the now infamous 80s perm.
>>15353821707 and 23 were a mistake.
>>153542299I generally feel pretty ambivalent about 2007 April but her starting the trend of badass ninja Aprils is pretty shit in retrospect. We need more cheesecake relief in male media properties.
>>153542261milk
>>153541208The first two issues she looked different to that before the redesign with the perm.>>153542298Most of the post isn't "what she was originally going to be" it is about what happened. Of course April's race question snowballed into a narrative of "the cartoon whitewashed her" that evolved into the mess we have today. I forget but there was a convention where someone had asked a question about it because they saw April as black early on.I set it out in my post, she was conceived as Asian, but once her final look was decided she was pretty definitively white, the only issue they had was her name and he used his girlfriend's name. Her look also seems to have inspired April's redesign after two issues. The character went through a bunch of looks. A few coloring issues happened and other comments by the creators. Peter Laid clearly thinks she is white. Kevin Eastman probably did self insert a bit with his partner April Fisher in the redesign of April (as well as her initial naming) but Kevin also supervised some of the early color printings which were white. So outside a tan or a non canon guest book (which went from white in black and white to black in colors to white in recolors) she was definitively white initially. That's what I was getting at. >It would be like someone insisting that A better comparison would be Baxter. Originally Baxter was white in sketches and was only made black pretty late on in development. Or it would be like saying, well April was conceived as Asian, so make her Asian. The problem is people just built up the narrative that the cartoon white washed her. Kevin Eastman's comments have never been definitive but even that quote I posted he only mentions her name.>they have all the time in the world to do thatI disagree because the developed of TMNT did get away from them a great deal, it became this big beast almost outside their control.>different colorist I'll post some examples of what happened.
>>153542298>>153543243>I'll post some examples of what happened.TMNT #32 was a guest era comic, it was surreal comedy and not meant to be canon. The first printing in black and white has April appear white. The 2nd printing with Bill Fitts color she is black. The reprint for the classics TPB she is white again.
>>153541952>nose ring>tattoo >cute.png
People really like knowingly spreading misinformation on the Internet and lying about April in the Mirage comics. April isn't even a human in the Mirage comics but a cartoon brought to life by Kirby's magical pencil
>>153541952I think giving rise April twin fros wasnt a good idea for her design shes like 16 isnt she? They could have given her the red hair like in your pic related
>>153542298>>153543283Pic is Turtle Soup #4 with Laird's explanation.So in the "April is originally black" camp you basically have:>She was named after a mixed race woman who identifies as African American.>Her perm redesign a few issues in appears to also be similar to the same woman and Eastman had a history of inserting women he dated into his comics.See for a pic of her >>153539495 >Laird's comment about how he thinks Eastman may see her as mixed race. >Some tan April appearances. >These two examples I just posted of TMNT #32 and Turtle Soup 4#.In the "April is originally white" camp you have:>Her original appearance.>She was pretty much set in design apart from the name which was more last minute.>She went through multiple looks and the perm design could have easily been based on the fashion at the time.>Laird's comments are not definitive, he is assuming how Eastman may feel.>Those examples I posted were, a non-canon/mistake and a Laird mistake.>Her appearance in color reprints (overseen by Eastman more than Laird according to Laird). >Laird's view and comments.>Eastman never definitively says he did anything more than use his girlfriend's name (although the appearance comparison is there). So in my opinion, April was originally white, but the comments and ambiguity created the idea that the cartoon white washed her in her redesign even though a lot of this stuff, including some of the color reprints, predate the cartoon. Ultimately TMNT is the story of a runaway train of a success story that spun out so fast and so quickly. Of course people want to feel special by sharing "secret facts" online, especially when they align with their politics.
>she can be blackShe can't. Then she ceases to be April. Much like when the made Stockman white, he ceased to be Stockman. He was a funny character that people enjoyed, but he genuinely wasn't Baxter Stockman. April is a white, redheaded woman. That is the character. Black April isn't April.
>>153543243>I disagree because the developed of TMNT did get away from them a great dealThey were both heavily involved for decades and even after selling off the rights, they were still brought in as consultants and advisors almost every single time. April was white in the movies, the cartoon, the comics, the other comics, the other cartoon, the other movies, yet more cartoons and yet more comics... And then Rise and Mutant Mayhem, in recent years, decided >errr actually she was always supposed to be black???In a way that is completely disingenuous and flies in the face of Eastman and Laird's authority over the series for all the this time.I'm not accusing you of insisting otherwise or implying that I think you are being dishonest. I can see your point, but I do not believe for a second that they didn't have the power to change April's race if they truly intended to.
>jeet continuously posting blown out samples from his iphoneHe seems really obsessed with April which is unfortunate.
She's white, April O' Neil is a white woman and in the final finished product of Mirage #2 this is shown. This was released in 86, before the cartoon was made.
This is the cover of Mirage #2.
Proof that Eastman oversaw the colors of that issue.
Proof that Eastman and Laird signed off on that cover and colors.
So PLEASE shut the fuck up about April ever being anything but a white woman. She was unquestionably never black or half-black or anything even remotely close. She was a hapa MAYBE in the concept stage PERHAPS but the final finished product released to the public, Mirage comics #2 featuring April O'Neil, had her as a white woman. A perm doesn't make a white woman not white you stupid retarded faggots.
Because the idea is to reject anything that straight white men find appealing.
>Apparently, at the time these sketches were done, two important things had not yet been decided upon, Baxter Stockman's race and April O'Neil's name.Just going by what Peter said about the sketches, it's apparent that April being a white girl was pretty much settled on when the second issue was being made, with Baxter being the complete opposite.
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>>153543595I dunno whether you're misunderstanding me so just to be completely clear, I laid it all out before and laid it out again here: >>153543465I am commenting on what happened early on and I think pretty much think definitively that April was originally white and supposed to be white in the original comics.. I was simply explaining all the stuff people point to and all the stuff that did happen as it went along. I was trying to give the complete picture. I never once suggested I personally think she isn't white. I think there IS some inspiration for the April character from Eastman's partner in appearance, going beyond just name which is a clear inspiration. I do not think that means she is black though.>They were both heavily involved for decades and even after selling off the rightsI think you missed my point. Just because people were heavily involved doesn't mean changes don't happen. It doesn't mean mistakes don't happen either (heck I posted some mistakes). That was the point I was making there, influence is a tricky business.>I can see your point, but I do not believe for a second that they didn't have the power to change April's race if they truly intended to.I disagree because by the time we get the cartoons and movies, I think she is pretty much set at that point and changing anything beyond that would have been difficult even for them at the time. To avoid any doubt, I am just sort of trying to add nuance/discussion here. Yes they did have influence but yes influence doesn't mean absolute control or that everything always goes right. And anyway, Laird is pretty insistent he saw April as white. Eastman appears to have some influence that skews differently and according to Laird's comment may have seen her as different but to me this is like, the lightest piece of ambiguity that doesn't matter, because again, according to Laird, Eastman oversaw the color reprints of the black and white and she is white there too.
>>153543740>you stupid retarded faggots.Pretty much no one in this thread has argued she was black.
>>153543860>words words wordskys autist
>>153538217> She can be blackNo, she can't. Replacing an endangered phenotype like redheaded people is quite literally participating in genocide.
It's a pretty funny coincidence that they started to turn her black right after ESG/DEI quotas became a thing back in 2015.
>>153538217they worship satanthey hate creation, they hate beauty, they hate the worldthey literally want you to die and go to hell as soon as possible so all of their actions move towards that goal for all humanity.they are antithetical to life itself
>>153538217the last two "aprils" have been april in NAME ONLYthey literally have NONE of her original traits and actually have more in common with her nerdy best friend irma
>>153543942This anon is defending soulless gingers.CRVST VS KVNG
>>153544049Blackrock is gonna run out soon enough
>>153538217>>153538238>>153543858welp, I am claiming her and moving her with the others to my ai multiverse. just make my version of her and accept only that as canon. and she is big boob white red head. >>153544194claiming her too.
>>153538217>>153538228>>153538286Was everything to do with Tumblr art just some profound rejection of anime? If not, then what? It's reactionary to something or other.
>>153538228The (((nose)))
>>153538217>She can be black, sureno
>TMNT MTG set had a bunch of different turtles from across the series>6 individual cards for april, and a lot of appearances on other cards >and all of them are black april.>Even the 80s nostalgia-style used a black april.>and the pixelated video game style card used a black april
>>153545267God they look like shit too. Fucking repulsive.
>>153545267It's the same company that made Aragorn black. They're just obsessed with putting black people in everything.
>>153544913there. now my main city has someone to do this.
>>153545327I'm not even against Black April, but when you've got a celebration of a franchise, and include multiple variants of the same character from across their multiple iterations, but only use ONE design of April, it makes me question the decision.
>>153545363Didn't Hasbro get sued by their shareholders for making too many shitty magic cards awhile ago?
>>153545425I heard something like that, but didn't keep tabs on how it turned out. Lowkey annoyed Irma only had one card in this set, too.
>>1535382172012 was my introduction to TMNT but i stopped watching at about the time they went into space or some shit. i love how campy TMNT is with space aliens, mutant ninjas, and all sorts of stuff.
it was always the weird gay kids who didnt have any friends by middle school who wanted to bring april into tmnt playtime like dude were playing shredder and splinter and you pick april?
>>153545267fucks sake
>>153543551/thread
>>153545267That's fucking retarded lmao
These conversations are always so odd to me. Maybe I was just weird, but in all these old shows I just could never bring myself to care about most of the human cast, so much of the time they just came off as being like a diversion or annoyance.
>>153545267I think she's white in at least one card, or at least on the promo art they put on a box or poster.>>153545363It's not even a version of April from a specific incarnation. It's an OC donutsteel April that the artists and WotC fags made up for the set.
>>153539436>Leo immediately fell in love with thisBro really was locked underground too long
>>153546525>>153546588*reads it*., And this is why I with drew from society and moved out of it. Because there is too much truth to this statement. And only a few are starting to look at it and go now hold on a second....tiresome indeed.,
>>153546814Oh I am aware nor make bullshit denials. In counter I've decided any race is mine to date. fuck it. finding me a nice ocean island away from the main stream idiots and watch it burn to nothing. I dont even care at this point as even my friends who see it still larp and other bullshit about it. i'm over it all.
>>153541394Same reason why they don't come up with new ideas and just keep rebooting and remaking the same shit over and over: They are mental midgets who believe the best thing they can do is to take over, subvert, and remake other people's work to validate their own ill-conceived beliefs.
cowabunga
but why did they think they could get away with it
>>153547462No idea but more of the same. I claimed her and will now make my versions as the canon. Have fun with yours.
>>153543963Context?
>>153538217This chart doesn't really reflect their personalities at all.
>>153544439curst is kung..
>>153543716Kino
The turtles are black-coded and have been for more than a decade, nobody batted an eye, but the split second a phenotype changed on the girl, christ help us, the West has fallen, billions must sneed.
>>153548864b8
>>153547896What context? The Fugitoid was destroyed and April kept his head for safe keeping.
April FOOLS!
>>153538228Because your have an OCD level obsession with trans people
>>153538825RE engine women are hideous except AdaRetard praying for a RE5 remake are gonna seethe when they see Sheeva face kek
>>153538217They had to make her fat, black, and ugly to combine all of the unlikable physical traits of a person.
>>153538217>She can be black, sure, whateverNo, she can't.
