It's crazy how much more iconic Syndrome was as a villain. Why couldn't they make a female villain work?
>>153544753Because Brad Bird just didn't care.
>>153544753Because she wasn't a Super villain, Unironically the Screenslaver that was just a fall guy was more threatening and interesting as a villain concept then disgruntled hit the wall Roxanne Richie.
>Iron Giant is the only 2D animation film directed by BirdTruly sad
Who was in the wrong here?
>>153544753She didn't work because they were too pussy to go full lezdom.
>>153544786Legitimately could've done way more with someone trying to fight against supes return via brainwashing the masses by television than inciting a possibly international incidient by super obvious mind control.
>>153544753>actual villain in cool costume with good backstory vs >some retard with daddy issues
>>153544802>Something that bothers me about film in general these days... this notion that something has to be in your face every second... It's an attitude of of panic, for short attention spans...Oh, Brad, if only you would've known how much worse it'd get.
>>153545248Bob for only seeing major achievements as anything worth celebrating.
>>153545745>Bob for only seeing major achievementsit's not even an achievement
>>153545248he's right that its a dumb ceremony, but still wrong for not wanting to go. moving up grades is a big deal for kids.
Females inherently are not seen as threatening.
>>153545248while Bob said something true in the discussion it was Helen, the graduation thing was just an example about Bob's role as a father, he just diverge the conversation
>>153545248Bob. Yes, it's a stupid ceremony, but it doesn't matter - you're there to show your kid you support them.
>>153545248Bob. Who cares if it's not important. He's your son. Go support him and make good memories.
>>153545248Bob. The ceremony is stupid, but you still go for your kid. Then you explain to your kid afterwards why the ceremony is stupid. This teaches the kid a valuable lesson without making him feel slighted.
>>153545248Helen. It might be an obligation, but it is a stupid one. You don't have to WANT to go there, there's just nagging.In any case the inauguration of summer vacation should be focused on joining some summer activity, not a "graduation".
>>153544768This. You expect me to believe he approached Incredibles 2 with the same passion and spark of creativity he did the original? Lol pleeeease, this was just something Disney forced him into making.
>>153544753Because they based her villainy entirely on the fact that her father was a fucking idiot and played that shit straight rather than point out how stupid it was. Made her look stupid by association.Like, seriously, burglars break into your house, and are literally steps away from your bedroom door, but instead of going into your panic room (which should already have a phone in it!) you try phoning the heroes. Even if someone as fast as Dash picked up the phone, there’s no way the dad could’ve been saved, he didn’t even have time to explain what the problem was before he was killed.How in the world is that turned into a ‘he was too reliant on incompetent heroes’ issue rather than a ‘he was a stupid idiot who thought he’d be saved within 5 seconds’ issue?Also as with other recent animated film stories, twist villain = not nearly enough screen time to actually have fun being evil in. Incredibles 2 in general was a boring mess.
>>153544753Because the movie was written explicitly to feed into the shared delusion hollywood was suffering about the world demanding girlboss movies. It was made as a movie with nothing to say. No themes. No message. No loving pastiche of genre or aspects of the genre. It was literally just>what if we made a movie only about Helen?And they had to contrive a whole movie around that idea, which had no actual depth to it.
>>153545248Helen is wrong for exaggerating finishing 4th grade as a graduation, as if Dash was finishing High School, which is a real milestone, and not that he had just finished another year of basic schooling which he would be doing for the next 7 years, at minimum.Bob is wrong for not wanting to be there for his son who has been badly acting out to get more parental attention, making Dash believe that the only way he'll ever be worthy of acknowledgement is if he becomes a big damned hero like his Dad.
>>153545248Technically Bob, but his point is still valid and salient, but that's a deeper rabbit hole to delve into. More importantly, he should show support for his son, and/or explain to him why he disagrees with the graduation ceremony.
>>153546190>making Dash believe that the only way he'll ever be worthy of acknowledgement is if he becomes a big damned hero like his Dad.Dash isn't wrong. He better hope he never loses his powers or he'll be dead to Bob.
>>153544753It turns out trying to do literally the same movie but with Elastigirl didn't make for a compelling sequel
>>153545248Bob for projecting his own unhappiness about the mediocrity and tedium of his life onto his family.
>>153544753Because Syndrome was created before 2008 and Evelyn wasn't. That's the only real difference between anything becoming iconic and having cultural impact or not, whether it was before or after the takeoff of social media.
>>153545248Bob was being a faggot. Who cares if it's a dumb ceremony? A lot of things in life are silly and pointless, but they still mean a lot to people and you can respect that meaning, especially if you love someone. Anyone who says he was in the right here is just as much of a miserable douchebag as he was in this scene. He was literally just projecting his own misery onto everyone else because he hated his lot in life.
>>153545248Bob knows they have end-of-year awards at these things right? They don't just celebrate getting the bare minimum done. If he could think beyond encouraging Dash just for sports (an excuse to use his powers), he wouldn't have to worry about "mediocrity". Or maybe he does know and hates the idea of his son getting too smart since that would remind him too much of Buddy who indirectly ruined his true happiness in life.
the original movie was a redpilled masterpiece
>>153544753MarketingBesides syndrome played into loser randian fantasy of superiority that pixar lovesAnd screenslaver was too close to revealing the trut for hollywoods sake.
>>153546212I don't think people give enough attention to what a weird supremacist asshole Bob was in the first half of the film. He was one bad day away from becoming Homelander.
>>153545829fuck I thought it said who was in the right
>>153546517OMG, you should post this on Blueksy, xister!
>>153545248Depends. If Bob has a limited amount of paid vacation days a year, taking off a full day for such a ceremony seems like a waste. Considering his employer, I doubt he'd even be allowed to leave early without some sort of demerit, or even be forced to make it up since he's probably salary.
>>153546517He really is a piece of shit. And dash playing sports even though he can outrun everyone and celebrating mediocrity is bad messaging. Unless it was bad messaging done on purpose.
>>153546583I did think that scene was kind of weird. Who's benefitting from Dash pretending to race so he can win silver medals and second place trophies by casually trumping regular people?
>>153546606you're righthe should've won gold
>>153544768The sad thing is that it's Disney, so he couldn't even make it overt Helen fap bait to at least have fun with it. Although he tried.
>>153544753The sequel wasn't bad but it felt really lazy in comparison to the first movie
>>153546139>this was just something Disney forced him into making.Most likely as an apology for Tomorrowland tanking so hard at the box office.
Part of it was the fact that she was another fucking twist villain with almost zero presence until the reveal
>>153546606Dash could have fun playing sports so he gets some value out of it even though he could wreck every kid if he wanted to.Maybe if he competed in something that didn't involve his super speed would have made more sense.
>>153544753They landed on the name Evelyn Deavor and wrote a character around that.
>>153546606Exactly. Fame and being special is important. But youre too special so dont stand out because those normies are beneath you.Its stupid and still supremacist as hell. Maybe if they made it his 4th grade graduation instead.
>Incredibles is the first animation movie composed by the guy who previously did the music of the series Alias (from J.J Abrams) and the Medal of Honor videogames
>>153546680The fun is in training pushing yourself and winning through effort. This is a solo running sport where he is practially unbeatable.He learns no good lessons at all.If it was a team sport and his speed wasnt an issue sure. But there is no such sport
>>153546160>How in the world is that turned into a ‘he was too reliant on incompetent heroes’ issue rather than a ‘he was a stupid idiot who thought he’d be saved within 5 seconds’ issue?The Disney of this century would never publish a film that could be construed as encouraging civilian firearm ownership for home defense.
>>153545806But it was a tradition for ALL hurricanes to be named after women before some faggot complained about it.
>>153544753The only reason her traumatic incident even occurred was because her parents decided to have the phones outside of their safe room instead of in it for some ungodly reason.
>>153547145It would have made more sense to me if she herself had masterminded their deaths.
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>>153544753Galbrush paradox. Women aren't allowed to be real villains, they always get some sympathetic quality that sucks the evil charisma out, and if not outright redeemed their defeat will be much softer than the brutal punishment men get.
>>153548108Her punishment should have been 10 years as Helen's fluffer and pussy cleaner.
>>153547145>>153547167If her parents were smart or she was evil, she wouldn't have had a reason for hating supers. The best set-up would have been if she was disillusioned. Like she walked in on her parents and their super friends having decadent cocaine-fueled orgies as a kid.
>>153545248Is he refereeing to the last day of 4th grade, or first day of 5th?
>>153546287>Bob knows they have end-of-year awards at these things right?Why would he know that? When Bob's generation went through K-12 the only graduation ceremony was for high school.
>>153544753I think the worst thing about Incredibles 2 is that it doesn't feel like a movie about the family it's an elastigirl movie, like sure Incredibles 1 was about Mr incredible but the family also did things and engaged with the plot meanwhile in 2 they only really do something in the final act
>>153546744It was his big break because afterwards he got mainstream attention.
>>153548443>turn a family movie into girlboss slop
>>153545248Helen for being a hypocritical annoying inconsiderate wife and a massive bitch overall
>>153548870so in other words, a woman?
>>153548894No. All hypocritacal bitches are women.But not all women are hypocritical bitches.
>>153548894precisely
>>153546160>How in the world is that turned into a ‘he was too reliant on incompetent heroes’ issue rather than a ‘he was a stupid idiot who thought he’d be saved within 5 seconds’ issue?I don't disagree with you, but I saw her reasoning as "he grew too docile to take matters into his own hands."Unrelated, but my dad watched the second one for the first time recently and he thought the Screenslaver voice sounded like the Central Scrutinizer. Made me appreciate the movie a bit more.
>>153544753I don’t understand how Syndrome’s “everyone can have superpowers” is evil.
>>153549679your missing the part where he engineers his own heroics beforehand and is acting out of jealousy towards supers
>>153549706>If everyone's gay... no one will be!
>>153549985false analogy
>>153546171Just say you hate women
>>153544753Because they demonstrated that the difference between a Villain and a Super Villain was PRESENTATION!
>>153544753Also kinda surprising shes not more iconic since shes fucking hot as fuck.
>>153545248Both, for not asking Dash if he actually wants to go or not.If he wants in, then they both go and be supportive.If he wants out, then they find an excuse to get him out and they go do something fun together.
>>153545248Helen. She's grossly exaggerating the importance of the ceremony as a guilt trip knowing full well Bob is not an absentee father by any stretch of the imagination.
>>153548461I'm happy for him, he writes good music
>>153550046Gru GAPED you.
>>153544786She and Screenslaver were effectively an Iron Man 3-ification of the Incredibles comic villain /co/ wanted to fuck.
>>153544753Same reason NOTHING in I2 was more iconic than the first one.It was a film nobody wanted to make (except Disney shareholders).
>>153544753There was no need for an Incredibles 2 and it shows hard
>>153551574It's a world ripe with storytelling potential. There was DEFINITELY a need for some kind of continuation; just not a retread of the first film set immediately after like what we ended up getting.
>>153549679Well as he pointed out himself, no one will actually have superpowers because he’d have genocides all that really do. And all the "superpowers" he gives out would be strictly on his own terms just like how he envisioned his heroing. The same way he could disable the robot with a few buttons, he would disable your rocket boots midair if he doesn’t like you.
>>153548289Her having always been evil would have worked best.
>>153551534Your goggle look like egg.
>>153545248I literally voluntarily skipped my own graduations whenever I could until college. None of it matters till then.
>>153546160This plot point never made sense to me. It's not an either/or situation. You don't pick to hide or call for help, you do both. It has nothing to do with super heroes existing or not.
>>153549679The statement itself is just him justifying his ideology.The evil was what he was doing. Kidnapping, murdering, selling potentially unstoppable weapons to whoever gives him money.
