>2000s was a bad decade for comics>2000s was a bad decade for cartoons Why does this era get held up as a sacred cow again?
>bad decade for comics>posts two of the best comic runs ever
>>153548535Those are cherry picked examples; the 00s was an ugly and dark decade for comics
>>153548520I wish Ed McGuinness would've stayed on Batman/Superman longer. Michael Turner isn't bad, but the Supergirl story would've been better with McGuinness art, guy is underrated, and is the closest we still have to artists like Art Adams or Mike Wieringo still working regularly.
>>153548606It doesn't look cartoony enough. Still has that realistic look to it.
>>153548520Third best decade in comics, unfortunately. 1980s > 1990s > 2000s > 1970s > 1960s > 1950s > 1940s > 2010s > 2020s
>>153548606McGuinness continues to be the most overlooked creative of his time. It really sucks. I dont think he's ever done one bad comic.
>>153548687>the 40's, 50's, and 60's being that low
>>153549022>terrible adventure time fanart imageYou have no say.
>>153549092Neither do you judging off your dogshit tastes
>>153549136>judging off
>>153548520Because the 2010s and 2020s have been worse. 90s comics aren't as bad as people said they were btw, many good runs
>>1535486871960s>>>>2010s, just forget about most of DC
>>1535496342000s ruined 90s comics and cartoons.
>>15354902250-60’s yes but 40’s? Please gain a personality besides trying to look unique by being interested in shit that was still shit 80 years ago.
>>153549687I tried reading a Justice Society collection from the 40s and it was just a complete slog to finish compared to the Silver Age and Bronze Age collections.
>>153549687>>15354971040s has some cool things like Plastic man , Superman, Captain Marvel,Zatara and some Wildcat and Hawkman stories.But in the end is the worst decade
>>1535485202000's Marvel doesn't feel like a true continuation.It feels like reality TV.
>>153548520It doesn't at all really, I don't think it was that bad for cartoons though
>>153548535Neither are good, especually not Superman/Batman.
>>153550191I never understood why people liked this
>>153550279It was a huge step down from 90s cartoons and yet still gets praised today for being innovative.
>>153550191True continuation of what?
>>153551310Our characters.In the 2000's they come-off as fun house mirror versions of themselves. They all became flanderized.
>>153550191>DiddyAt this point it's looking like she likes being slapped around.
>>153551329Our?
>>153551329And yet this board holds up 2000s Marvel so highly. I don’t get why more shit isn’f given to the characters.
Before OMD, Spider-Man was in a better place character wise so it wasn't all fun house mirrors.
>>153550279Childhood is thinking 2000s was a great time for cartoons.Adulthood is realizing only Samurai Jack and Avatar were worth a damn.
>>153549687>>153549710You two are queers. Atleast >>153550178 recognizes some of the decade's highlights. It wouldnt surprise me if most of the people in this thread were the type to find early timely and national titles "unreadable" too. Are we also writing off comic strips? Popeye era Thimble Theater, Alley Oop, Palooka Joe, Annie, Mickey, and Li'l Abner were great reads too.
>>153548535If Bendis made one of the best comic runs ever then we really do deserve all the mockery mangafags give us.
>>153551543You're not cool because you eat shit anon. Even the guy recognizing the highlights of the era still saw it as the weakest decade.
Loeb Superman is cool though.
>>153551571>mangafagsTrolls who start east vs west threads for You's
>>153551543I don't know why you're getting upset. I'm giving you an honest assessment of what I read.
>>153548542Not even remotely true. Outside of identity crisis itself it was DC’s strongest decade ever. 98-2010 was fantastic.
>>153548520I don't know about cartoons, but 2000's was the last time ever that I cared about capeshit comics.
Marvel was mostly good in the first half of the 00s and DC was mostly good in the last half.Cartoons were just fine, a lot of action cartoons had finally figured out how to make character designs that worked well with animation.
>>153551599My point still stands.
>>153548520>Thinking ultimate Spider-Man is good Soft admission to being filtered by based Ditko, Lee, and Romita
>>153551639Fuck outta here retard, DC's best "decade" the way you cherry pick and go beyond 10 years would be 1983-1995.
>>153548520Fucking great comics right there though. You must be a zoomer.
>>153551909OP is saying the exact opposite
>>153551912Not at all faggot. Imaging every series was as good a MoS, Perez WW (which falls off after the first 12 issues) or Frank’s 4 issue year one is pure meme opinion nonsense you picked up from faggots like leifeld who still push that bullshit. 98-2010 was by far the peak.
>>153548520Nostalgia, obviously. Lots of people on this site grew up on 2000s comics and cartoons, so they look back at them with rose-tinted goggles while shitting on things that came afterward. People who grew up in the 80s and 90s do the same thing, and we're starting to see this with people who grew up in the 2010s as well.People will always view things they grew up with more positively.
>>153550191>jannieShe does it for free!
>>153551571>Bendis made one of the best comic runsHe was a super star writer for a reason. His Daredevil is still considered onn of the best runs on the characters up there with Miller's and Alias was one of the best street level comics
>>153548520I liked GL, Blackest Night, and Morrison's run on Batman. New52 pissed me off.
>>153552109DC's best years overall were when Giordano was Executive Editor. The first few years of Carlin were all right and Didio put out some good books, but man did he have a lot of obnoxious preferences.
>>153552109You're not just wrong, but a retard on top of it.
>>153552306Yeah. That's precisely why comics are a laughing stock. Those comics are garbage.
>>153551915>zoomers have discerning tasteDamn.
>>153552306Mangafags are right, manga is just plain better and it was never really a competition.
>>153553158>Bendis won an Eisner Award for Best Writer for his work on Daredevil, as well as other concurrent titles, in 2002 and 2003. Daredevil by Bendis and Maleev also won the Eisner for Best Continuing Series in 2003. It's a good "independent" feeling corporate comic.
>>153548535ultimate Spider-Man is massively overrated
>>153548606>chael Turner isn't bad, but the Supergirl story would've been better with McGuinness art, guy is underrated, and is the closest we still have to artists like Art Adams or Mike Wieringo still working regularly.anon, do you not know Nick Bradshaw? He's basically an Art Adams clone
>>153553427Manga is better. There's a reason it was kicking ass in the 90s.
>>153553427>goodNope.
>>153551571>>153553158>>153553542You're not actually saying why it's bad.
>>153551909Both are bad for different reasons. If you want Lee, Ditko, and Romita without the corny art and writing, read Shotaro Ishinomori manga.
>>153553521This looks like AI slop
>>153553536Manga in the US? It wasn't.
>>153551892>a lot of action cartoons had finally figured out how to make character designs that worked well with animation.No wonder western animation is a laughing stock to anime fans.
>>153553563The awful, pseudo-TV writing and horrible, traced art aren't enough?You're not saying why it's good. Just reading off public opinion and listing awards. Saying>It's a good "independent" feeling corporate comic.is a meaningless description, especially since it doesn't apply.
>>153553614>The awful, pseudo-TV writing and horrible, traced art aren't enough?Just say you got filtered.
>>153553614>is a meaningless description, especially since it doesn't applyThat was the whole point of the Marvel Knights line
>>15355342Nevermind that you call this crap good because it won some eisners but>"independent" feeling corporate comicWhat?
>Golden Age bad>2000s bad>2010s badThen what are good comics to you people?
>>153553578The first 25 or so years of Spider-Man aren't bad though and especially not the Ditko, Lee, and Romita stuff
>>153553592Bendisbro, post the real sales figures.
>>153553663It is bad.
>>153553663>gauche overwritten and melodramatic writing>stiff, generic artAstro Boy would have swept in the old days.
>>153548520No it was not
>>153553808There was a reason the 2010s was considered a renaissance
>>153553706It isn't though. You just haven't read any of it beyond a couple of pages >stiff, generic artNaw
>>153551368Because Marvel shills from the 00s are still trying to push the "2000s Comics Good, Old Comics Bad" claim like they did 20 years agoNotice how generic the defenses for 00s comics and complaints about Golden Age to Silver Age comics are in this thread?
>>153551329>They all became flanderizedI immediately dismiss anyone's opinion who uses that phrase because it tells me you're not actually knowledgable on the subject you're just parroting whatever your favorite internet person says
>>153553656They don't know yet, the YouTuber they get their opinions from hasn't actually talked about comics they like just comics they should hate
>>153553945>Notice how generic the defenses for 00s comics and complaints about Golden Age to Silver Age comics are in this thread?People have been saying they both suck thoughbeit.
>>153553951>>153553964Found the Marvel shills from two decades ago
>>153553995Found the YouTube faggot
>>153553973Yeah, in a corp-speak version of "edgy" way
>>153553945>people like something>they must be shills who have been on this board since 2006Most of this thread has been saying DC and manga are better btw.
>>153554014Nothing in this thread has been corp speak.
>>153553945>complaints about Golden Age to Silver AgeMost of it aged terribly.
>>153554001>literal edgy corp speak
>>153554030You aged more terribly
>>153554017Because they are.
>>153554199DC shill…
>>153554199Manga ironically stopped being good after the 2000s
>>153553951Hi Dan.
>>153554306No.
>>153554306Not at all. Comics did though.
>>153554527>>153554559Name good post 00s manga.
>>153554601>spoonfeed meNo.
>>153554559This is nostalgiafagging. Comics were on an upswing after the 00s.
>>153554601Dungeon Meshi
>>153554614>can't name anyThought as much.
>The 2000's in a nutshell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcryyvQAqc8
>>153554690I hated what CN and Nick become by this time
>>153554601You're a Bendis fan, you wouldn't know good if it hit you in the face.
>>153554792>Bendis out of nowhereWe're talking about post 2000s manga retard
>>153548535>Batman/Superman>goodAnon, it was one of the first comics I ever read when I was getting into the medium but it's shit. It's a bunch of shock bullshit happening with zero thought put into it.
>>153554905We were talking about 2000s comics and you tried to deflect with a ridiculous statement and then you wonder why nobody takes you seriously. Retard.
>>153554928Better than Ultimate Spider-man though.
>>153554978And we're talking about 2000s manga now and have been talking about manga but you'd rather deflect and avoid comparing comics to manga. And you wonder why /a/ laughs at you guys.
>>153555043You tried to steer away discussion from post 2000s comics after they were called shit by deflecting with a ridiculous statement. If you wanted to have a conversation you should have tried instead of posting low quality bait and getting a buttmad nobody is taking you seriously. Retard.
>>153554601I haven't read much, but these are good:>Cats of the Louvre>Dungeon Meshi>Golden Kamuy>Goodbye, Eri>Land of the Lustrous>My Broken Mariko>Sunny>Tokyo These Days
>>153555095No one disagreeing that they were called shit retard. But when they discussion tried veering to manga, you went full retard and started chimping out and throwing random Bendisfag accusations. Maybe leave a conversation instead of throwing a tantrum.
>>153555095But you agree 2000s comics are shit and manga mogs, right?
DC was great but, with few exceptions, 2000s Marvel just felt "off" somehow. I can't explain it. Even reading it at the time it was strange and I didn't like most of the stuff they put out at the time. 2000s Marvel is the true dark ages in my opinion.
>>153555141Shit compared to>Alias>Monstress>Immortal Hulk>Southern Bastards>Injection>Hickman Fantastic Four/FF>Bendis and Maleev Daredevil>Ultimate Spider-man
>>1535552402000s can't be the dark age when the 2010s and 2020s exist.
>>153555240It was the Dark Age for Spider-Man but nowhere close a dark age for Marvel as a whole.
>>153555206>went full retardThat's literally you. And the thread is full of Bendis apologists, you dumb fuck.
>>153555240It feels like your reading TMZ.
>>153555287All the acclaimed stuff in that decade sucks.
>>153555271It's all one long Dark Age.
DC has always been better than Marvel. You just didn't notice until the 21st century.
>>153555302NTA but it's just a few people saying his early works were good you damn drama queen. That didn't used to be a controversial opinion until now.
>>153555240>Your meathead older brother gets the keys to the kingdom and drives it into the ground.
>>153555248No, the manga I listed are significantly better than any of those.
>>153555362>NTAYeah right. Bendis is trash and the fact that the threads starts off by saying he's one of the best and not just of the decade, the best ever, would be enough material for the entire thread. But this is the entire point, you think Bendis is great therefore you have shit taste and should shut the fuck up.
>>153555306And people held this up as better than the 2010s
>>153555404You're unhinged. No one said that.I don't like most of his output but there is such a thing as being blinded by the hateboner.
>>153555422Do they?
>>153555442>No one said thatLiterally the first post in the thread.>>153548535Are you a bot? Sure looks like it.
>>153555240>>153555326>>153555341>>153555384I will not defend Identity Crisis, Countdown or Didio
>>153555467Nothing bot like about that, you're just an angry retard.And that was specifying Ultimate only, not Bendis as a whole. Why aren't you being this mad Jeph Loeb was also praise?
>>153555341The companies are only as good as their editors and both have had their share of good and bad and even some who do good and bad, like Quesada and Didio.
>>153555496Because Bendis apologists disgust me more and there's been more Bendis apologism in the thread than Loeb apologism. Calling either of those two some of the best comics ever means you're a retard. Getting buttmad that people shat on Bendis and trying to deflect towards a better and healthier industry and trying to pretend it's not better is just bot like behavior.
>>153555654DC has had better editors (and writers) over the years.
>>153555663That's not at all what's happened, you're quite literally blinded by your hateboner and making up narratives that don't exist.
>>153555663>trying to deflect towards a better and healthier industry and trying to pretend it's not better is just bot like behavior.This is the kind of east vs west behavior I hate. /a/ themselves are willing to point out the industry isn't as healthy as it seems but god forbid you take away /co/'s hammer to bash their own medium.
>>153555699You've made a dozen posts already that amount to nothing beyond "LEAVE BENDIS ALONE!!!". You're mentally ill.
>if you like something I don't like you're a retard! And a bit! And other mean words!Then maybe actually list some things you like. Because all I'm hearing is "entire decades shit, entire companies shit" with no nuance.
>>153555778It's in a better place that comics so when you try to deflect and pretend the manga industry is the bad one then you look like a clown. Look at them and learn, perfect, improve. Don't look at them and snicker as if you're not the one below.
>>153554601JoJo part 7/8HitonerOne Punch ManWelcome to the NHK
>>153555685Marvel has had good editors, DC has had bad.
>>153555845>Welcome to the NHKThat's from the 2000s.
>>153555859DC has had better editors. DC also has has more good editors.
My post wasn't even meant to shit on manga entirely, I just don't like manga after a certain period. I don't know why my post was hijacked or why one guy is shitting his diaper over it.
>>153555868So is Jojo part 7. Part 8 is post 00s but that fell apart midways.
>>153555837>Look at them and learn, perfect, improveWhy are you aiming your unhinged nonsense at us as if we run comics?Both have their ups and downs rather than one being the superior over the other. The grass only looks greener.
So these are the kind of troglodytes left after the hack hit. Hiromoot can't shut this site down fast enough.
>>153555951One is superior over the other.
>>153556006Please go to and not east vs west reasons. Let them educate you. Stop with this grass is greener shit.
>>153556048English, Rakesh.
>>153555801Quit projecting your mental illness on others.
>>153556056/a/. Go to /a/.Being here is driving me mentally ill too.
>>153555967Which ones?
>>153556069>no uBendis tier reply.
>>153556110All of them…
>>153556115Stop seeing Bendis everywhere and take your meds.
>>153555883Which was your post?Have you read any of these >>153555141
Surprised no one brought up Bendis's high profile gig at DC.
>>153556152Okay I actually have read Kamuy, Lustrous, Meshi and Eri so mea culpa. Going to read the rest later.
>>153556139Meds? For your mental illness?
>>153556211But enough about you
>>153548520>Why does this era get held up as a sacred cow again?Only by zoomers born in the mid to late 90s. Everything post 9/11 is shit.
>>153556223Enough? About You?
>>153556238Not everything.
>>153555326Brubaker was cool.
>>153556238>Only by zoomers born in the mid to late 90s.Those solidly millennialoids
>>153556253Yes we are talking about you. Meds now.
>>153556310Meds? Now?
>>153556238>Everything post 9/11 is shit.This needs to be spread more and more. No one ever liked the 2000s.
>>153556271Eww, fuck no.
>>153556355Immortal Iron Fist was based
>>153555240>Marvel just felt "off" somehow.The switch from "THE FOCUSED TOTALITY OF MY PSYCHIC POWERS" to a character getting buttfucked on page was a lot more abrupt with Marvel rather than the gradual change DC had in the 80s. Like if you read X-Men 113 then read New X-Men 114 it feels like not only a totally different book but a different company as well.
>>153556380Meh.
>>153548520Because it is better than the shit out right now.Comics especially now suck.
