People shit on the Titans for not having many good runs, but the JL is just as bad despite DC throwing all their A-list creatives onto the book
>>153555178Grant Morrison tricked people and DC into thinking JLA is a workable book and it just isn't in reality. It's a boring franchise because you can never actually do shit with those characters.(And JLA is already some of Morrison's least interesting work imo. Even if we just limit it to team books, his Doom Patrol or New X-Men are far more interesting)
>>153555178I liked the first two issues of Meltzer's run where it's just the Trinity judging if various DC characters are good enough to join the League, but other than that it's all mediocre at best with usually pretty art.
its hard to do "all star team" when all the star characters have their own books, storylines and editors pulling them in different directions. The JLI launched in the format it did because DC wouldn't let JMD & Giffen use the Trinity since they were being rebooted post COIE (Denny O'Neill said it was fine for them to use Batman)Waid's JLU is constantly reacting to and providing exposition for the consequences of event crossovers. The only times its probably worked (in recent memory) were Johns on the New 52 reboot and Morrison's JLA. But even Grant was stuck having to accommodate things like Electric Blue Superman and No Hawkman
>>153555441the last two Avengers runs suffered from this as well
>>153555178It is a team up book, instead of a team book.And the characters are spread across the editorials
>>153555441The other problem currently impacting JLU is "where do you go from here?"If every hero is a member of the League, how are they ever disadvantaged? It means every threat has to be world-ender which gets tiresome or plot stupidity takes over. And it always runs into the conflict of "the metas that report to the government" In hindsight, the idea of "JLU" probably works better as an anthology-style book where every storyline is a standalone adventure with a different creative team, featuring a different line-up of characters. BUT MODERN COMIC READERS DON'T WANT TO READ ANTHOLOGIES FOR DUMBASS REASONS. The League works best with the Big 7 motif but that still doesn't solve all the problems. I feel like the most workable solution is only having one (1) member of the Trinity on the team and then you fill out the roster with upper midcarders: a Flash, a Lantern, Martian Manhunter, recognizable folks from cartoons or the CW shows with one or two oddball pet characters that the writer likes. *Maybe* there's room for a JL Task Force spinoff to fulfill the rotating-team anthology idea OR a second team with more gritty, street level esque characters (Green Arrow, Vixen, etc) that can address all the "comply with the government" conflict that inevitably pops up.
>>153555583build a Justice League team. Must include the trinity. Between 7 - 14 members.
>>153555178Team books tend to be weaker than solo books because a writer has to be skilled enough to juggle multiple voices at once while telling a story within their allotted page count. Most comic writers are not skilled enough for that.
>>153555583>The other problem currently impacting JLU is "where do you go from here?"Snyder really likes the idea of the Justice League being an all-expansive team, including other teams like the JSA or the Titans (which only generates problems for those books as it's an inherently retarded idea).I suspect he got the idea from Hickman's Avengers. But the point of Hickman's run is that the Avengers, as expansive and powerful as they are, are all actually a bunch of bums who are completely useless as the world is (literally) falling apart. The real heroes are the Fantastic Four.
>>153555178I actually liked Justice League Detroit.It just needed other characters that didn’t have their own solos.Just look at current DC and see all the big guns that currently don’t have their own comic:ShazamMary MarvelMartian Manhunterbooster Holdblue beetle HuntressGreen ArrowvixenBlack canaryBig bardaMr MiracleHawkmanFireIcePowergirlThe AtomDr LightPlastic ManPhantom LadyCaptain AtomAnd many more.Aside from the trinity, the current JLu comic is using Mr Terrific, Ted Kord, Red Tornado and The Question as regulars.
>>153555713>I suspect he got the idea from Hickman's Avengers. But the point of Hickman's run is that the Avengers, as expansive and powerful as they are, are all actually a bunch of bums who are completely useless as the world is (literally) falling apart. The real heroes are the Fantastic Four.>Doom saves all (well, some) of reality from oblivion>Reed: BUT I WOULD HAVE DONE IT BETTER>Doom: Yeah you're rightTotal Fantastic Four victory
>>153555178From what I've seen of Waid's stuff his problem is trying to spread everything out evenly.No disrespect, but he should rewatch the JL and JLU show and see that episodes focused on certain groups and issues between an on-going plot.Jumping from the JL debating ethics and law in space, to an incident on the streets by armed idiots backed by T.O. Morrow, to a premise for The Search for Superman doesn't make the world feel complex, it makes the story seem confused.Don't even get me started on how every time they do this JL XXL it's under the claim they're going to be doing XXL things, only for that not to actualize.Keep the scope reasonable and my expectations and disappointment will follow.
I hate the "big seven roster" with burning passion. (and the same goes for every single avengers book post dissney buyout)Justice League should be a team book of DC heroes not your trinity or "le hecking big mandatory 7 characters book" as other anon pointed out before me.Let the book BE A BOOK.
>>153555178It's a group of shit characters. Lumping them together is only going to stink more.
>>153555178Unironically making the Titans the Justice League was the only good idea DC had. It solves the problems plaguing both Titans and JL.So of course it lasted 15 issues and they didn't even explore the premise.
>>153555178Because DC is bad at team books
