>character is a regular human who uses guns to fight crime>universally a fan favorite even if it's some litwho D-Lister>character is a regular human who uses martial arts and acrobatics and maybe a gadget or a whip to fight crime>universally a fan favorite even if it's some litwho D-Lister>character is a regular human who uses a bow to fight crime>is seen as a joke no matter what despite both the Avengers and the Justice League having archers, the purple one in particular is constantly talking about being a special ops tacticool assassinWhy is this? Bows aren't even lame in other media. People tend to like archer characters. Why are archer superheroes so uncool?
Green Arrow is lame because he is a sanctimonious cunt. Purple Arrow is lame because he has been retconned into being a loser to make way for younger female boss bitch
>>153559290>character is a regular human who uses guns to fight crime>universally a fan favorite even if it's some litwho D-ListerName 3
>>153559290For me it's Roy "They don't call me SPEED-y for nothin'" Harper
>>153559460>Purple Arrow is lame because he has been retconned into being a loser to make way for younger female boss bitchShut up, secondary tard
>>153559290For Hawkeye it was>MCU did a terrible job at portraying him so normalfags think he's a joke>Fraction's run following on from that makes him a joke in the comicsPre-MCU Hawkeye was a pretty popular Avenger
>>153559758Future anon here, I shouldn't have capitalized speed like that it ruined the joke
>>153559786I mostly remember that crappy 90s Avengers cartoon that tried to make Hawkeye the tough guy like Wolverine.
Green Arrow>>>>>Hawkeye
>>153559874The bar is at the floor. Comic relief blonde Batman who's on the team for "the human element" is something to work with
>>153559774blud thinks real life is a RPG ans that he's the MC kek
>>153559786It's insane how how they dropped Clint's circus performer backstory AND his criminal past.Modern Hawkeye is legitimately not even the same anymore.
>>153559290Bows are gay.
>>153559940No, and talk like a human
>>153560030You are
>>153559655Punisher, Red Hood and Hit-Girl.Want more?
>>153560030Bows are the coolest. I wish we went back to them
>>153560256Hardly fan favorites, but Red Hood does at least have some fans. Only edgy teens and cops like Punisher
>>153560290The world was better off when killing a guy from 100yds away took skill.
>>153560306Nta but I like punisher when he's working with Micro, it had a nice buddy cop vibe back in the early 90s
>>153560306>Hardly fan favoritesNo>fans. Only edgy teens and cops like PunisherWrong, predditor
>>153560323Punisher works as an action movie hero in a realistic setting, in a setting with actual superheroes, he's a villain.
>>153560586>in a setting with actual superheroes, he's a villain.No, cuck
>>153559290Basically all this shit is always based on the same thing. Social media has the same regurgitated knee jerk comments that get oft repeated.>Urrm in the Avengers we have Hulk and a literal God do we need archer-man? Seriously? LAME.And these jokes snowball into attitudes.
>>153559786>Fraction's run following on from that makes him a joke in the comicsIt shocks me how many people didn't actually read that run but are so very confident about what happened in it.
>>153559290Make him more lethal and stealth.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfcr1A-QMmQ
>>153560733To be fair, it's unreadable.
>>153559290The latest issue of Fantastic Four had Scarlet Witch bring Bullseye out in cuffs to perform a shot that "only the best marksman on Earth can make" instead of calling for Clint.Bullseye is currently dead, too, so the writer went out of their way to use Bullseye instead of Hawkeye anyway while using a throwaway line of this Bullseye being a clone to justify using him.For whatever reason, modern writers don't want to use Clint for anything. It's frustrating.
>>153564453As good as Clint is, Bullseye is universally agreed to be the greatest marksman in the world, even by Clint. What Hawkeye can do with a bow, Bullseye can do with a toothpick.
>>153564453>>153565254its just synergybullseye is a breakout character on daredevil while jeremy renner declined an avengers return over money
>>153565490bullseye has always been the best, its not a current thing.
>>153564453Bullseye is a better shot, the kicker is that Wanda should absolutely call on Clint before a random clone of Bullseye
>>153560030we need to work with the hot elf boy aesthetic and get the fangirls on board for him
>>153565254now that is some complete bullshit, at least make it a metal toothpick
>>153565787Of course its bullshitYou need at least class 1 strength to effectively use marksmanship as a weapon.
>>153559290I just think they fuck it up by firgetting that hes peak human and a master martial artist with multiple styles under his belt.
>>153559290Archers are stupid when standing next to heavy hitters with actual powers. Gun shooters get away with it because americans are still stuck with that child-like mentality of guns looking "badass". Only gay elves use bows.
>>153565855>hes peak humanThis guy, "peak human".
>>153565634Why was Wanda fetching a shooter at all? Just magic up that whatever precise targeting needs to happen happens.
>>153565885Spoken like someone who doesnt know how dangerous either of those are.>>153565939Comic hawkeye. Not the friend of a fruend who got the job because ackles thought he was too good for thr role.He also works as the bad ass normal of the group.Every other(white) guy walking down the street who is a secret bad ass. Which they should have leaned into more with the character
>>153566013"Peak human" is kind of a dumb comic book nerd phrase anyway. It doesn't really mean anything because humans have to specialize in certain things to be the best at them. The world's strongest guy isn't also going to be able to outrun Usain Bolt.Okay Hawkeye is the best at bow and arrows you don't have to throw in some bullshit about him being "peak human".
>>153566069Hes a well rounded martail artist who specializes in multiple weapons. And oeak human means excells in multple athletic categories but nit accelling at anything in particular.He is a peak human martail arts master who specializes at bows. Its easy to understand.Hes not outlifting the strongest, outrunning the fastest, or more agile then the best normsl humsn. But he is well trained enough to compete. Thats what peak human is. Or was.
>>153566069it's just a gamified artifact, like powers having numerical scales.is character non-powered?is character not primarily a hacker or noir detective?peak human.
>>153560586Hey now....he's a deranged serial killer not a villain.
It's entirely his modern aesthetic for me. He just looks like some dude you'd see riding a bike in the city or filling up a water bottle at a park. Nothing special or larger than life about him from a outward perspective.
>>153565787It is, but it's consistent bullshit. Bullseye regularly pulls off feats so ridiculous that people who encounter him frequently falsely assume he has to have some kind of mutant power.>>153565490It's not. Hawkeye has a near perfect track record of impossible shots, but he's that good because in his own words, aim is his whole thing, so if he misses a shot, he'll have nothing, so he puts everything he has into every shot. Bullseye barely has to try and gets the same results.
>>153564453https://youtube.com/shorts/RDEiugUpTAM?si=GYPeaiV5yury2SMD
>>153566417>shorts don't embedget your shit together 4chan
>>153564453
>>153566494More than any powerwank think I'm certain that North picked Bullseye just to shoehorn the "I'm magic" line in
>>153566123I'm glad that they stopped pretending with Captain America. He's been superhuman for decades but they still wanted him to hold on to the moniker for marketing purposes, and was unironically the worst poster boy for the term.
>>153566494just teleport the shot into the target? cast magic missile? why is he here at all?
>>153566542>why is he here at all?to flex on clint
>>153566561that is a valid reason.
>>153559290I think the problem with bows is you could be using other, more compact and efficient tools.It's like someone operating exclusively with a 1950's room-sized computer instead of using a Tower/laptop or smartphone (depending on the use-case)
>>153566568Ultimate Hawkeye's bow and arrow set along with the helmet is capable of swatting aircraft out of the sky and annihilating entire tank battalions. It's stil a bow and arrows just given a huge tech upgrade.
>>153566620That’s cool as fuck
>>153566568Assuming you have the level of tech and skill Hawkeye has, the only benefit guns have over arrows is how much ammo you can carry. Access to trick arrows gives you way more utility because you can fit way more technology on the end of a stick than you can get to fit down the barrel of a gun. Anything a gun can do a trick arrow can do and more.Need to do a lot of damage to a guy in front of you? A bullet could work, but so will an explosive arrow.Need to drop a net on a guy from above? A gun wont help with that but a net arrow will. Guns only shoot in a straight line as a set speed, while an arrows speed and trajectory can be altered to fit the situation. Not to a very practical degree in real life but for fictional characters with the insane amount of skill needed to do stuff like this these things matter.
>>153566998This is why Captain Boomerang's trick boomerangs are unironically the best weapon for him to use, they're big enough to house enough technology to do basically whatever he wants on impact, and in the hands of someone with comic book level marksmanship their midair trajectory can be altered to attack from any direction, unlike bullets which can only approach from the direction of the shooter.
>>153566998>it works because special problem solving ammo only exists in arrows and not bullets in this universe despite Antman particles existing on the same teamGot it.
I dunno know. I think people like Legolas the most out of anyone in the LOTR trilogy
>>153566568Bows are cool and rule of cool trumps that. I mean why isnt he in ironman armor using "fuck everything in that direction" canons?Because its cool.>>153566307It works as a tacticool everyman thing. His OG costume had to go.
>>153568645>dunno knowI knew that looked wrong as i was typing it. I never should've have typed it.
>>153559290the fact that the vast majority of uses the bow and arrow ends up having are stupid gimmicks really makes it less impressive. A boxing glove? A taser? Gas release? Come on. If you give someone a bow don't just make it a toolbox of whatever-you-need-at-the-time, it's gay. Give him some other gimmick at least.
>>153566998give him pistol crossbows for short range, keep the bow for long range
I think we should just go straight to the real issue here. The running trend in that a bow and arrow in a modern setting is just the "we wanted a ranged weapon that wasn't a gun" default scenario.When you thing of "gun guy", he's cool because he's managing to keep up with all this crazy shit using conventional weaponry. When you think of ninja guy, he's cool because he's keeping up with all this shit using feudal weaponry that requires even more skill and is often more in your face.When you think of gadget guy, he's cool because he has an arsenal designed to let a guy keep up with all this crazy shit. When you think of bow guy, his only purpose is to be gun guy but no guns.As opposed to like, big hammer guy who doesn't exist to subvert swords.
>>153566522I think with Captain America, is that he was meant to be "supernormal" instead of supernaturally strong like Spider-Man.
>>153568645Is this a joke?
>>153569725That's still basically the same thing. Captain America can't chuck a Buick like Spider-Man, but he's still a good bit beyond non-powered humans in Marvel by every metric.
Because they want flashy special effects
>>153560586>He's a villain Tell that to Wolverine
>>153560586>he's a villain.He's not a villain, but he's not a good person and a dick even when he isn't in murder mode. He should realistically be kept at arms length even under the best of circumstances.>>153572851There was that old Marvel Super Heroes tabletop game from 80s where the rules stated that Wolverine was the only non-supervillain character that didn't take a hit to their abilities if they killed anyone, while pretty much every character would take severe penalties if they did. The reasoning was that he's such a sociopath that him murdering supervillains didn't affect him like it would anyone else. He could literally ignore the one big rule that would permanently fuck anyone else up, even if it were done by accident. He's too popular for other characters to shit on him for being a killer.
>>153573652>He's not a villainHe can play the hero in his solo books where every badguy is a remorseless child cannibal, but basically any time he appears alongside other marvel heroes the plot revolves around stopping him. >>153572851Wolverine will do the dirty deeds that the other heroes dont want to do when it's necessary, but he's still willing to play ball with the higher morality of the X-men because he's trying to be a good example to other mutants. He'll kill when he has to but considers it a last resort.Punisher fully acknowledges that he is not a hero, and murder is his first and only solution to all problems.
>>153571642If you tell me its anyone other than Legolas you are either trolling or a pedophile
>>153574489People are pretty crazy about Sam these days.
>>153569312That just seems like more unnecessary shit to carry around.
>>153574489Only fags and women like Legolas. Sam, Gandalf, and Strider are the standard answers for men.
>>153560030t. Crassus's Ghost still mad about the Battle of Carrhae
>>153574452>He can play the hero in his solo books where every badguy is a remorseless child cannibal, but basically any time he appears alongside other marvel heroes the plot revolves around stopping him.Antagonist, not a supervillain. He's done monstrous things but he's far from an actual villain.>Wolverine will do the dirty deeds that the other heroes dont want to do when it's necessaryOther Marvel superheroes have killed before, most Marvel heroes don't have no-kill rules, nearly all have "no murder" rules, and when they do kill, it's usually treated with some sense of urgency and severity. My point with the tabletop game example is that Wolverine's kind of killing generally isn't given the same level of scrutiny. People don't clutch pearls when Wolverine slices some drunk asshole biker's arm off, but Punisher shooting a cartel boss in the face is somehow treated with more severity.>Punisher fully acknowledges that he is not a hero, and murder is his first and only solution to all problems.He's non-lethally taken out people or used the threat of violence to stop someone. As long as someone hasn't done something like rape, murder, selling drugs to children, or anything else that's awful, he won't kill them. Punisher is a monster but he's not a villain.
>>153576106This is Magneto. Magneto suffered the tragic loss of his family at the hands of evil men, which filled him with a hatred that drove him to dedicate his life to taking proactive steps to protect his kind from evil men no matter how much lethal force it required.Magneto is one of the most famous villains in the world.Do you see the similarities?I'm not sure why you consider it worse to be a villain than to be a monster.
>>153574489POTAY>TOES
>>153576333Magneto is the worst example, he announced his presence and the presence of mutants by stating that humanity should be subjugated or exterminated.>I'm not sure why you consider it worse to be a villain than to be a monster.Because villains commit monstrous acts for their own sake or for selfish reasons. Magneto killed hundreds of thousands to possibly millions of innocents and held the planet hostage multiple times, Punisher... shoots pimps and pedos in the face, how the fuck is that even comparable? Both are monsters, but one's a much bigger monster on top of being a villain.
>>153575656Fuck them horse archers, though.
