How good are the lawyers in Marvel/DC for people who should 100% be getting the death sentence to get way more lenient sentences? Like surely somewhere like Gotham has to have really fucking good lawyers for the Joker to not get sentenced to public execution by firing squad the moment he steps into a courtroom.
>>153564514capital punishment hasnt been used in new jeresy, where gotham is supposed to be, since 1963 even though it was technically on the books until 2007
>>153564514>in-costume inside the courtroomSo disrespectful.
>>153564514When Trek does is courtroom drama it's always kino but when comics do it it's fucking clown shoes.
>>153564514Laws in comics work differently because none of it would fly in the real world. There's a book that goes over a lot of things in comics. Pretty fun read.
>>153564514Doom can't even be arrested. He has diplomatic immunity.
>>153566520Until someone Lethal Weapon 2's him.
>>153566520If the US can arrest Maduro then it can arrest Doom too.
>>153564514It's not just a lack of death penalty. There are many stories where a bad guy is back on the streets and is explicitly stated to have been released legally because they've served their full sentence. Somehow career super-villains who have escaped from prison multiple times are getting laughably short sentences.It makes sense for guys like the Kingpin or Tombstone since in their case it's clearly just corruption, but for "blue collar" guys like Shocker or Rhino how the fuck did they pull that off? There must be some really cheap lawyers out there who have somehow managed to get their super-villain clients the best plea deals ever.
>>153566472Why am I surprised that this exists?…how old is it?
>>153566844Holy shit, this has been around for yearshttps://lawandthemultiverse.com/
>>153566814The original idea of Ostrander's Suicide Squad was to get villains back on the street quicker.
>>153569040But they all have sentences in the hundred if not thousands of years. They’re expected to die first.
>>153566472Is this the same author of Science of Superheroes?
>>153564514The law in capeshit recognizes that certain classes of citizens (men without penises and women without nipples) are, in fact, immortal and don't die if you kill them. So the death penalty becomes cruel and unusual and non-applicable to them.
>>153566520I should really catch up on intlaws, but iirc i assume this was done after some sort of conflict, impeachment, or the collapse of Latveria as a statem
>>153566459Why are the muscles so tight on her neck but not her chest and face or hands? Her legs dont even really look as defined as her neck.
>>153564514capital punishment doesn't exist in 23 states and didn't exist at all between 1972 and 1976also, as a head of a foreign state, Doom has immunity from US prosecution in the US, because the US only has domestic legal frameworks and international treaty obligations to follow as a non-member of the ICCI know, I know, Senor Oilco is on trial right now, how do you think that's going to end? not good if all the Pinochets and Karadzics of the world end up in the US with their stolen money buying whatever they want to call justicebut if that goes the other direction, and kidnapping a guy you don't like because he won't do what you want becomes US-legal? war, son, war, and plenty of it, brought to you by the producers of "Three Day Special Military Operation" and the director of "Operation Epic Fury"enjoy twenty dollar gas and never flying again
Wacky but never funny.
>>153566814>but for "blue collar" guys like Shocker or Rhino how the fuck did they pull that off? There must be some really cheap lawyers out there who have somehow managed to get their super-villain clients the best plea deals ever.A lot of the time there's probably not much they can even be charged with beyond just fighting in public and property damage. And if the guy they were fighting has a secret identity he probably won't press charges. The "blue collar" bad guys would only be looking at bigger sentences if the pull off a bank robbery, fight the cops, or actually kill somebody. But they usually still only have light sentences.A number of Marvel stories where a masked hero or villain ended up in court have had them derail the trial on the point that a number of different people have used that costume and identity, or larger number of people could impersonate them and do what they do, so how can you prove it was them in the costume at the time doing the specific thing they're accused of? If they're not caught and publicly unmasked immediately after the crime, they have a good chance of getting away with it.
Very few people can make this kind of bullshit "work".
>>153564514wtf is this artstyle
>>153576405Degenerate.
>evidence procured by Batman? Why, that's not admissible in court! Free you go!
>>153564514Ironically I'm sure it's easy to get cases thrown out when the arrests are made through vigilante action with no warrants and no reading of miranda rights, the real question is how good are the prosecutors that anyone gets found guilty at all
The entire Common Law system is retarded to begin with.
>>153578577Only a repeat offender of the law would say this.
>>153574652The problem is that most of the time, super-villains commit their crimes in public in front of dozens of witnesses, and a lot of them don't actually wear masks. It doesn't matter if Spider-Man can't/won't testify, everyone saw the Rhino smash into a bank and then wreck a bunch of cards during his getaway and fight with Spider-Man.
>>153578305I guess this judge never heard of the doctrine of inevitable discovery. Even if Batman found the evidence, as long as the cops can prove that they would have found the evidence through legal means anyway, then it wouldn't matter.
>>153580436There's always someone willing to give Kingpin an alibi, so nobody can ever successfully connect him to the things he does in his Rhino costume.
>>153564514Isn't Doom the leader of Latveria? He gets immunity as a head of state. Or what would probably happen in a comic is he gets extradited back to Latveria to be put on trial for some other crime and is shockingly acquitted.
>>153564514Laws in comics don’t work as we know them. People always get on Batman’s case for not killing but if the courts worked the Joker and most of his rogues would be dead or locked in some max-sec government prison or black site. All that matters is the ideal and status quo.
>>153580347Not at all. It's just stupid how it leaves so much wiggle room while at the same time bind way to hard in other cases because somewhere two hundred years ago some hick somewhere ruled in this or that favor.
Look at this Reddit crap.
>>153583846Screw you, this looks like my kind of shit. If the whole comic like that? Because I would totally read it if it was.
>>153583846>creatively thinking of what a law firm would actually look like in a superhero world is Reddityou gotta go back
>>153584102Oh great another quirk chungus how original.
>>153584165Well Harvey Birdman did it first and loads better.
>>153584167In case I wasn't clear enough the first time, screw you. I just want old-fashioned problem stories where the protag working in a certain venue has to deal with a variety of uniquely weird situations and clientele in the course of their job. Space Cabby kind of stuff.
>>153584506Also Damage Control.
>>153584506Go read it and comeback to me.
>>153584569That defeats the point of asking beforehand.
I think part of it is just that writers tend not to have a good grasp on the justice system, or whatever justice system there might be within the setting. This isn't really something a lot of people are educated on.And also because it's always easier to just bend the justice system of your setting to drive the drama of your story than it is to do anything with any realism to it. Because a lot of people don't really give a shit if you include actual courtroom lawful etiquette. Which is why even TV shows that focus around courtroom drama are completely and totally abstract from realism.
>>153566728Arc of US Agent busting in and capturing Doom for justice when?
>>153584633Well when you do read it have some booze on hand because you can make a drinking game in how many times Jen says "Ohmigosh!"
>>153576405Frank Miller
>>153580993Doom counters by abducting the president or having his own shock team come and get him. The guy has too much plot armor at this point to be held by anything less than some super hero base and shield is a joke 98% of the time.
>>153574359God that comic is legally so retarded.
>>153584764The punchline is it was a doombot all along.
>>153584898It should be illegal for a book to be this bad.
>>153564514I assume most judges have been replaced with shapechanging aliens years ago.
>>153585599>What is this, some kind of Kangaroo Court?>all the Skrulls in the room sweat nervously
>>153566814There are rich guys like Justin Hammer that specialize in hiring blue collar guys and provides legal protection so they can do more crime profit-sharing so the corruption works in their favor as well.
>Comics are legal documents.I quit, Comics are fucking stupid and I've wasted my life reading them.
>>153564514I've said it before, and I'll say it again. We need a Law & Order clone that takes place in a super hero universe. The focus need to be 100% on the courtroom drama.
>>153588036I want it to be semi serious like Sabretooth eating people and none of this pansy "Oh Thor beat me up! & I want compensation!"
>>153587881>Being a drama queen over comics because of one of Dan Slott's shitty comicsA tragity
>>153588199Hey if Gen-Xers can whine about Lucas till the end of time. I can take potshots at Slott.
>>153585194>Donald Trump hands.
>>153564554What about federal crimes though?
>>153566520Wouldn’t it be sovereign immunity?
>>153565128They should be charged for that.
>>153565128Doom is wearing official Royal Lavterian clothing and it would be disrespectful to his culture to try and make him take it off.The Fantastic Four are in their official scientific outfits, you wouldn't chide a doctor for spectating in a lab coat after all. If they were on trial, maybe they could be persuaded to wear more fitting attire, but as it stands they're under no obligations not to wear attire that's appropriate for one of the most influential scientific institutions in the world. Ben Grimm is the obvious exception and the court has to recognize his disability and allow concessions so long as he is not showing anything inappropriate. Dr Strange is currently wearing the official garb of the highest magical institution in the land in a world where magic is verified, even if you want to eschew his religious right as you would a hijab wearing individual, there is no code in the legal system his dress is violating as he needs to wear that cape for completely verified reasons. Captain America is wearing the actual military garb he word during his many covert operations during WW2. Yes, covert operations, you read that right. He mostly did spy work if you can believe it. Regardless he is without question wearing Military dress and is as entitled to wear it as a recognized general is to his stripes. ...someone should probably deal with Iron Man though. Not someone squishy, but someone. How did he get in. He's wearing a gun.
>>153590947He is wearing multiple guns and a portable toilet.Better question: who’s going to wrangle Wasp?
>>153591021Wasp in the profession is referred to as "Didn't see shit and if anyone asks you thought it was a bug out of the corner of your eye."Fucking nobody in that room is paid enough to try to catch a small lady with the power of flight and the ability to punch through walls. You didn't see shit until she starts acting up in the middle of the court.
>>153589117Maybe. The other's the term I've seen used though but either they got it wrong or it was one of those periods he was deposed.
>>153590947A lab coat in a courtroom?
>>153578305Kek.
