>The light had its turn. >Marvel Comics presents MIDNIGHT, a terrifying new universe coming this fall. >Stay tuned next week for more information on this all-new publishing line, including series and creative team reveals.>https://xcancel.com/MarvelComicsHQ/status/2052374597106876883
>>153566917Huh
>>153566917terrifying? more like terrifyingly bad
>>153566917so terrible, you'll turn your lights off
So they're using this to replace Ultimate?
>>153566917A little to spooky for me
>>15356691710 issues then cancellation
>>153566917Mephisto Nightmare Dormammu KNULL BROSOur time is now
>>153566917>So for Midnight, our bold new initiative, Jonathan Hickman outlined a winning plan that we're going to begin to sabatoge almost immediately.wtf
>>153566917So is this Mackay's rumoured Midnight Sons relaunch?
>Marvel Comics presentsIt's gaping Absolute anus
>>153566917>those repliesThis new imprint/universe better be godly for them to have any goodwill with readers because so far the reception for this is worse than the initial reception for Absolute and we don't even know anything about it lmao.
>>153567020>MIDNIGHT Sonsnaaah, it's just a coincidenceJust kidding, it probably is
>>153567031what goodwill?
>>153567020Mackay sucks ass on teams though why the fuck are they handing him another team?
>>153567074I think it was something he pushed for since he's been doing Moon Knight for 50+ issues
>>153567093If he is on that then I hope he brings whatever crack he was on for the Blood Hunt tie in issues which ended up being the only good issues of his Avengers run lol
>Crossovers still in effect>Snyder said The Batman Who Laughs return is imminentUh, yeah, i'm thinking it's happening
>>153567129we aren't ready tbwl and knull meeting bro
>Ultimate gave birth to Absolute which is giving birth to Midnight Kirkman and the revival of Invincible completely fucked the comicbook ecosystem lol
Fuck you marvel,The comic book industry is just a bunch man-children who can’t admit they fucked up
>>153566970>So they're using this to replace Ultimate?Yes. Imo it's obvious they cancelled Ultimate because Absolute was heavily outselling it and Hickman/Momoko were leaving. Going by indie market trends, a horror line makes sense. The biggest issue for Marvel is gonna be convincing audiences this won't be cancelled after 24 issues like Ultimate 2.0.
>>153567236which will be because disney wants full msheu shit now
>>153567221Even the most gracious and least hostile fans have to admit that the majority of staff have been there too long and they need new blood, ideas etc
>>153566917I'm interested but cautious.
Honestly, I'm getting more "Dark Multiverse knock-off" vibes, which isn't that much better imo
>>153567271Agreed, they have a fundamental misunderstanding of many characters. How can you fumble Ghostrider so fucking hard? Penance stare can't be both a fundamental part of his kit, but also get handwaved every other asshole. How can you pick Fast and the Furious as a basis for a new rider, then do nothing good with the concept? Just everything with the recent Punisher. Captain America becomes a turbo-racist when written by X-Men writers. Like Spiderman bro. One step forward, two steps back. Peter goes on a training arc with his alien gf, fucking cool, Normand takes up the fucking mantle, go fuck yourself, Marvel.
>>153566917kek this is such a transparent attempt to compete with AbsoluteAt least it’s an alternate universe so it might not suck donkey balls?? I’m being very optimistic here but if nothing else at least it won’t affect 616 too badly if it flops
>>153566917Damn. Sounds KINO.
>>153567517I don't think this is a new Ultimate/Absolute imprint, it's just Marvel doing a bunch of Horror/Supernatural books
Sounds like edgy and horror based universe. Will Hulk just be a Frankestein's monster in this? Chances of Cates working on it?
>>153566917Ben Percy is confirmed to be involved in this, he also extended his Marvel exclusivity contract with another 2 years>https://xcancel.com/Benjamin_Percy/status/2052383796142420018
>>153566917Publishing line makes me think that this might be their version of Vertigo.
>>153567662Isn't Cates still persona non grata at Marvel?
>>153567674Really? First time hearing about this. What happened?
>Bloodline: Daughter of Blade by Stephanie Phillips>Magik and Moonstar by Ashley Allan>Midnight Sons of Wakanda by Murewa Ayodele>Mary Jane: Queen in Black by Kelly and Lanzing
>>153567686I too can talk out of my ass.
Quick, how would you ABSOLUTfy the Marvel characters
>>153567681 just hearsay, but he was apparently in an accident and has brain damage but he was already out of Marvel before that
>>153567689>must defend Marvel
>>153567686>Magik and Moonstar by Ashley AllanThat wouldn't be bad her magik book was decent
>>153566917Sounds like Vertigo.
>>153567745In what way?Vertigo these days, is a creator-owned line of explicitly non-cape comics.
>>153566917>new publishing lineInteresting. More horror elements I suspect.
>>153567681Went to a work party at Brevoorts house while high then pissed on Brevoorts living room carpet in front of people.
>>153567686Holy fucking KINO god bless Hickman and Snyder
>>153567795in front of some Marvel high up execs apparently
>>153567700>Quick, how would you ABSOLUTfy the Marvel charactersPat Parnel origin for Peter
>>153567074X-Men is pretty good when it's not forced into crossovers imo, Avengers had to be the most editorially dragged down book of the last decade though.
>>153566917I'm tuning out the moment this new universe focuses on the X-men, Avengers, or spider-man
>>153566917I hope closer in tone to this.
>>153566917Can't wait for all those five-issue miniseries.
>>153566917I need to see the creative teams first.
>>153567914probably something like Jed Mackay, Ben Percy, Bryan Edward Hill, Jordon D White is the editor, apparently
>>153566917I can't believe they killed the Ultimate universe for this.
KKKKKKKKKKKIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNGGGGGGvel CCCCCCCCHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAADDDDDDDDmics!!!
>>153567686>Dead of Night: Miles Morales by Cody Ziglar>Scarlet Witch and the Darkhold Defenders by Steve Orlando>Wiccan: Sorcerer Supreme by Kennedy Wyatt>Undead Hands of K'un Lun by Jason Loo>It's Jeff: Crypt of Shadows by Kelly Thompson>Savage Red Hulk by Saladin Ahmed>Sue Richards: Invincible Woman by Night by Eve Ewing>It's Symby: Marvel Zombys by Steve Foxe>Elsa Bloodstone: Red Band by Sam Humphries>Cap-Wolf 92: Revisited (1 of 4) by Christos Gage
>>153568156At least try to put some effort in shitting up the thread.
>>153568156No cunny no buy.
>>153566917Praying this has nothing to do with Knull
>>153568210it might, since White is the Venom editor, and he is editing this line
>>153567366>Just everything with the recent Punisher.Hey now Palmetti is doing solid work with Punisher. The ongoing is okay and The World to Come was also pretty decent
>>153567938>Jordon D White is the editor
>>153568187what thread quality is there to diminish? its your basic marvel tease announcement.
Apparently Hickman and PKJ are confirmed to be involved as well, along with it being a horror universe>https://bleedingcool.com/comics/scoop-midnight-is-marvels-absolute-horror-line-with-jonathan-hickman/
>>153568187nigga they took Hickman's plan to revive the Cosmic line and gave us She Hulk and Wakanda in Space.Marvel editors do not try to win back lapsed fans, they just continue reheating the stale nachos of pandering to a 2016 woke tumblr/twitter audience that does NOT FINANCIALLY SUPPORT COMICS
>>153568316Hickman can do horror but he also fucked up Imperial and UU set-up so im not so sure
>>153566917So i guess their response to the DC Absolute runs being a hit? But wasn't that the whole point of the Ultimate universe? Or am I retarded and misunderstanding?
>>153568316>PKJKINOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
>>153568316>HickmanMarvel just absolutely refuses to learn from their mistakes, you think Hickman would be the last person they would have involved after he fucked up their chance with ultimate 2.0
>>153568316>a horror universeIts either>PKJ and Percy having free reign to do M-rated takes on the horror/monster characters with vague/loose connection 616, allowing them to bend the rules away from strict continuity tie-inswhich is good---OR--->a literal new horror universe, which means Man Thing and Werewolf By Night are going to get pushed to the side so we can get "scary Spider Man," "scary Iron Man," "scary Black Panther" and "scary Carol Danvers"which is bad
>>153568316>midnight universe>Hickman>Midnight KingInhumanbros we are so back for real this time
>>153568316>HickmanAll they've shared is a label and my interest is already negative because of his name being associated with it. Impressive.
>>153566917But they already did this with the vampire shit when it was night all the time
>>153568316>HickmanThis better not be a complete failure like Imperial.
Victoria Montesi solo ongoing or we riot
>>153568316I HOPE and COPE Man-Thing by PKJ.
>>153566917Placing my bet now that this is Mary Jane ascending to the Queen in Black and being put in a pocket universe so far away from Spider-Man that she can never return, but can still be in a comic where they can try to hock variant covers.
>polish KEK
>>153568405>original Age of Krakoa>G.O.D.S.>Ultimate 2.0>Imperialsurely the fifth time's the charm!
>>153568406Literally who?
>>153567662>>153566917Come to think of it, could the FCBD Infernal Hulk story be set-up for Midnight?
>>153568455no it's very clearly set up for the Hulk event next year, which we already knew about
>>153568316This is either going to be the coolest thing in years or another forgettable trashfire>>153568348You’re retarded, the New Ultimate universe predated the Absolute universe by over a year. If anything, the Absolute Universe was DC’s answer to Marvel’s second Ultimate universe.Double points for retardation if you meant the original Ultimate universe.
Midnight Mission..
>>153568316>Hickman It's gonna die in a year.
>>153568316>PKJNice.
>>153566917Is this marvels gay retard response to Absolute DC?
>>153568447MC of the Darkhold series that ran in the '90s, one of the OG Midnight Sons, roundabout daughter and mother of Chthon, honorary aunt of Blade's daughter, part-time exorcist, full-time Italian, nemesis of magical dwarfs, probably some other stuff. Kinda like a female John Constantine that was never popular and never had a good run of comics.
>>153568367you are beyond retarded to come up with such conclusion
>>153568446He did Infinity and that was probably the one myth arc he got to see through to completion. And it wasn't even that good.
>>153568691>Blade's daughterIs this still a thing?Do we need more brown gay daughters running around that obviously exist as queer propoganda for tweens who dont know any better?
>>153568744She showed up last in Blood Hunt, so I wouldn't be surprised if she showed up in this initiative
>>153568321The Wakanda in Space was something Hickman had wanted to use for HoXPoX. Most of Imperial was all Hickman and it was terrible.
>>153567129Secret crisis isn't happening till 2030 thougheverabeitassuch
>>153566917Can Marvel do anything that isn't just blatantly copying DC? They've been the Mega bloks of comics their entire existence.
>>153568823Allegedly Brevoort was the driving force behind Imperial and Hickman was just brought on to help jumpstart the new line with his name recognition.
>>153568525We have proof that absolute was originally supposed to come out after death metal thougheverabeitassuch
>>153567129kino alert!
>>153568913I mean Absolute was a response to the initial success of Ultimate 2.0 in the first place
>>153568950Would explain why Brevoort had X-Manhunt set up Xavier going to space with a resurrected Lilandra. However, that just makes it baffling that the Exiles book is the only promised title that never happened.
>>153569052>>153568958Yep. The plan post-Death Metal was for Snyder to launch the Absolute Universe at that point. The "Elseworld" that was introduced at the end was going to be Darkseid's planet and the initiative was going to be called "Absolute Frontier" so that the titles were cheekily called "Batman AF" "Superman AF" etcBut then stuff happened with Didio and 5G it got turned into "Infinite Frontier" instead
>>153568700>retard calling someone a retardNigga it was sarcasm, I posted it with an image of a crack pipe I couldn't have made my intent more clear.
>>153567938>>153568264White is also the editor for Infernal Hulk and PKJ and Percy's "Dungeons of Doom" which set up a lot of spooky stuffMidnight is obviously the plan for those two after Infernal Hulk wraps
>>153568744She was one of the main characters of Avengers Academy until that series wrapped up last year.
>>15356723624 issues is the sweet spot for 6 books makes it easy for casuals to collect and get into the practice of collecting comics and buying variants.
>>153568406This guy has his priorities straight.
>>153566917Hopefully cool stuff. Horror comics are the best.
>>153568447Marvel's first gay character.
So since this is a horror character-focused universe, what does their world actually look like?Is it a world without heroes where the monsters come out at night? Will the Darkhold be a key plot point? Is Shuma-Gorath the true creator of this world?
>>153569800Shuma-Gorath can't appear since Marvel doesn't have the rights to him anymore. Roy Thomas pinched the name from a REH King Kull storyline so he technically isn't a Marvel character
>>153569479I'm pretty sure that's Northstar. Victoria might be the first official lesbian though.
>>153568316Holy fuck, get Hickman out of Marvel now!
>>153569825Shuma-Gorath can appear with the same character design, they just have to call him Gargantos now. He's still considered to be the same character.
>>153569884How long until Shuma-Gorath the name goes into public domain?
I would rather has a MC2 reboot with heroes kids(Rachel Summers, Spidergirl , Daredevil/Karen son, Bruce/Betty son,...).I think it could work for both old and "new" readers and too different to absolute.>>153567938>>153568264He is better tan Will Moss, his problem is his ideas work better in elseworld.
>>153566917I kinda hope we get Cloak & Dagger in there. I always felt like a lot about their characters and origins could work for a horror story.
>>153569825Lovecraft is free to use, and more popular. So why are you so hung up on "we have Cthullu at home".
edge bros we are back
>>153569988Their og stories are 100% horror inspired.Cloak for obvious reasons. Dagger? Her powers are oddly terrifying and have a disturbing power source
>>153569867Northstar was retconned gay after Vickie was created
EdgeKINO...
>>153570056Northstar came out as gay in Alpha Flight #106, which came out in March 1992. Victoria Montesi was created in October 1992, so Northstar has her beat by a few months (and that's even assuming that she was gay from her first appearance).
>>153566917Can we finally get a good Blade comic out of this?
>>153570121Plus Northstar was intended to be gay by Byrne himself, and you have lots of times they indirectly reference it before that.
>>153570023what are her powers?
>Midnight is Marvel's Absolute Horror Line With Jonathan HickmanWhat are the starting books most likely to be, and what's Hickman most likely writing?
Just give me a good Midnight Sons run.
>>153570322What if they call it "Midnight Suns" again?
>>153570280the opening book named Midnight and then he'll fuck off and the line crashes and burns in less than a yearMidnight SonsGhost RiderDoctor StrangeWolverine
>>153568366I feel wrong for making more usual guys, but a "scary Black Knight" that rips the fuck off of Bishamon sounds cool.
>>153570342If they use that to fuel cool imagery, like they did in the game, then it’s okay.
>>153567315the source wall is canon at marvel now, and storm's "mother" referenced both secret wars and mainly every reboot an crisis event at dc being healthy to keep that multiverse alive
>>153569207damn dildo hates snyder and johns, and that is a shoot
>>153570975i meant for >>153569231
>>153570023I mean it's also their backstory. Kids being victimized by bad adults is a mundane kind of horror, but it is a kind of horror.
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>>153566917Marvel's Absolute but it's lame and gay.
>>153569273In that case, you should consider a career in baiting. That was 10/10, and I fell for it
Kino.
>>153567795Don't make me like Cates now
>>153566917>HickmanFool me once, Marvel. You did this shit with Ultimate. It's very transparent this is your response to Absolute, which is completely raping your sales (rightly so). I'm calling this the Mid Universe
>>153569052>I mean Absolute was a response to the initial success of Ultimate 2.0 in the first placeNo it wasn't
>>153567236The Ultimate Universe was never meant to be long running. They said so like a year ago.
>>153573312Which is kind of baffling. Hickman left X-Men because Marvel didn't like his original plan that wound end Krakoa earlier than they wanted because sales were good, yet even though sales are good for Ultimate they're going to end the whole thing? They could have the Maker defeated but still keep the line going with stories about having to rebuild afterwards.
>>153568420People seem to think Mary Jane will be blasted off Spider-Man a lot recently huh? Can't blame them but its kinda funnt
>>153573312It feels weird because for example USM felt like a lot of set up. I thought it was going to continue for a little longer at least. Plus whats the point of introducing so much cool new shit or status quos all for nothing? Why have a Peter with a family? Why have XMen that are kids again and new ones? Just feels like a lot of set up all to be "yeah guess what? Its ending"
>>153566917>The Light had its turnIn the Dark Age? Bitch, when?
>>153573312I don't buy it mainly because it goes against the way Marvel handles things.
>>153573995That was the plan at least. They said once the main story arc ends, Ultimate is finished. But that was like a year ago so they can change their mind and continue some of the more popular solos.
>have multiple successful horror themed comics in recent years with MacKay's Moon Knight, Ewing's Hulk, Percy's Ghost Rider, etc.>instead of making a Midnight Sons book, they make an entirely new universe just to do horror books>>153568420>>153573406I'm sure this will make Midnight sell 10x more copies than USM with Peter married to MJ.
>>153573995Idk seems pretty finished to me lol. That plus the new universe just seems like the final nail
>>153574104USM was selling well tho. It never left the top 10 no? Peter and MJ married sells. They just fumbled with the execution a little.Would this idea sell better than the marriage? Doubt it. I only see people hate MJ so idk how a character that is disliked at the current moment will sell more. It is weird how Marvel has to make alt universes constantly just to do ideas that they coukd also do on mainline lol
Ok.>It was always the planNo, it became the plan when they realized the ultimate universe was just USM and everything else was not going to sell no matter what they did, they just want the whole thing to be done and collect it in overprice special edition paper backs.>It's endingYes, however Peter's son will have a new spiderversesque run with Dylan where they will meet other spider boys and girls, so it doesn't really matter.>What is this?Midnight is not a horror story sorry, it's MARVEL trying to pull a watchmen, even the title is actually a reference.
>>153574235>Yes, however Peter's son will have a new spiderversesque run with Dylan where they will meet other spider boys and girls, so it doesn't really matter.where was this?
>>153574256Most likely and assumption that isn't far off since any spider related event brings in people all over the multiverse like Renew your vows, Spider-Man venom hybrid, etc. Not a bad assumption imo
>>153567795I thought it was quesadas house
>>153566917>It's HickmanslopAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>153566917>Ultimate Marvel 3Pass
