John K never entered the animation industry; What changes?
>>153567798Well for one, Invader Zim never gets made. That probably has a bigger cultural impact than any of his shows not existing would have directly.
Spongebob never gets made.
Avatar never gets made.
>>153567798Insufferable fanboys find something else to use as a replacement for actually having a personality.
>>153567798Someone else fills the gap. I'm guessing someone, if not all of those from International Rocketship Limited. They are pretty good.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM9AIRrhVck
>>153567798Without John K.'s autism fucking things up, Nick has no reason to found it's own in-house animation studioRocko, and by extension SpongeBob, never gets madeWithout SpongeBob, and assuming Doug still moves to Disney, Nick likely has to rely more on Klasky-Csupo for their cartoons
>>153567798Loud house doesn't get made because John K himself kickstarted Chris Savino's career.
>Whaty changesWe wouldn't have Cartoon Network nor Dexter's Laboratory.Especially since S1 Dexter was heavily inspired by R&S
>>153567798We get Disney Channel Original Movie Jimmy Neutron
>>153569956We'd still have Cartoon Network because Ted Turner still would've bought the Hanna Barbera/MGM/Warner Bros. library without John K, but its original shows would've been radically different
No detailed close-up shots.
>>153567798Nobody picks up the reigns and animation becomes strictly Disney-related crap until nobody cares about that anymore, which they were on the verge of before the Renaissance in the 90s. Animation becomes as lame as magic tricks, radio plays, and puppet shows. People look back on the dead industry of animation and think all of what was made was just Disney and Looney Tunes, the rest is toy commercials.Literally nobody else would've done what John K did because he not only was obsessed about making expressive animation, he built the pipeline that every other animation production emulated afterwards. Not only did he build the legs for Nickelodeon but he also helped create Rough Draft Korea, inspired Cartoon Network's pipeline, trained all of the artists who would then establish the industry or open the doors for the artists who came after Ren and Stimpy, proved that creator-driven productions work best, and invented Flash animation by working with the original developers of the software who didn't plan on it being used as an animation tool.John K either directly or indirectly inspired most of what you see today in regards to Western animation, whether it's TV or feature film. Even Pixar artists were inspired by him in their earliest days. He was a revolutionary and his crazy behavior is partly why he knocked doors down to make Ren and Stimpy happen. Unfortunately, he ruined his legacy and could've just been remembered as a legendary artist.
>>153570228There's always these guys>>153568291And animators on MTV that would have filled that void, it would be only a different direction.
>>153567798The 80s standard would last a lot longer, Street Sharks perpetuated it at the same time Ren and Stimpy was airing to set a new standard.The tv production pipeline wouldn’t have been reshaped, no one would have had such an insistence on inventive poses and expressions, etc etc. a lot of things he did required a special history-changing man willing to deal with endless shit from the common folk.
>>153570454None of it is accessible to a commercial audience, they were fine as one-offs for film festivals and shoe commercials
>>153567798What if adventure time was never made?
>>153570033>We'd still have Cartoon Network because Ted Turner still would've bought the Hanna Barbera/MGM/Warner Bros.It would have forever remained a syndication channel airing reruns of those shows instead of making og programming
>>153567798Someone else that can make deadlines fills the void.
>>153567798I agree with this >>153570499.I believe the 80's standard would go well into the 90's.A lot of people say that someone would fill the void, and yes of course that would be the case, but fill it with what y'know? What would be the thing that would influence and push a style and a generation of cartoonists?I wonder if people would get more or less inspiration from anime in that scenario, given that they were still doing their own thing, likely largely unaffected by John K. The west already made use of many japanese studios at the time, mainly to handle the animations in some cases.
>Another John K thread. People act like John is one of the main reasons, in some alternate timeline Ralph would've probably trained Eddie Fitsgerald or Bob Camp and hlthey would've would've made something instead. REMEMBER! It takes a team to make a cartoon.
the world explodes
>>153567798Bill Plympton becomes the best animator in the world and people only watch hand drawn cartoons
>>153567798Guy fades out of photographs like a scene from Back to the Future.
>>153570568Dead industry, and that would be a good thing
>>153571027>People act like John is one of the main reasonsIt's his show, his vision, and his ingenuity that mad Ren and Stimpy. All of you guys can't comprehend that John K both did terrible things as a person and also did incredible things as an artist.You oversimplified his contributions and pointed to the next nearest Spumco artists to say "they could've done the same thing if they felt like it." Ralph Bakshi gave John an opportunity and it was John's values and tenacity that made him successful.Chris Reccardi and Bob Camp were the best of the original series, and neither of them were able to do what John did. Meanwhile, John created his own productions several times after.
>>153571912>John created his own productions several times after.KEKok, retard
>>153567798Nothing you see that came out after this show would have been made and no one would be hired. Execs are retarded and John fumbled the bag. But to deny him being influencal is just wrong.
>>153567798A couple of shows don't get made, a few people go unmolested, not that much different really
>>153571534KEK
>>153571912nigga he got thrown out after a singular fucking season and then went on to do literally nothing of note, he wasn't even the originator of what he was doing with ren & stimpy, you people are insane
>>153572066He did. They weren't successful. But he did. Cans was the worst. Both in production and quality.
>>153572162Ren and Stimpy is John's show. Cope.
>>153572134The gay and raped opinion>>153572162Your personality was invented on social media, you think everyone before it was crazy.> he got thrown out after a singular fucking seasonYou say this because you think the conservatives your gay peers cut out of their lives won’t come back into their lives but you’re wrong and you’ll have to give them credit for a lot of things.
american animation comes to shit no american adult animation
>>153572066He did do this. Didn't seem to do a good job but he did technically do it
>>153567798Western animation shifts towards making appealing characters instead of ones who are ugly on purpose.
>>153573195Everything becomes a barbie doll nightmare
>>153573226And that's a good thing.
>>153568180You mean you don’t see John K’s handiwork in every blade of grass on the ground, and every smile you see out there in the world?
>>153573242>Different sizes
>>153572134Tom Ruegger and Toshihiko Masuda have alot more power in the animation industry for starters, there will be changes.Also South Korea, The Philippines and Taiwan would be just as irrelevant as Malaysia, Laos and Thailand if John K never entered the animation industry.
>>153574865Shut up Famicom.
>>153569868If anything Nick just sticks to anime dubs.
Did you niggas forget The Simpsons came first? It even beat John K at the animation department when you look at the early seasons.
>>153567798No Fop which means no Camp Sherwood
>>153567798Bakshi would've taken his spot instead.
>>153567798Bruce Timm takes over.
>>153577361Tiny Toon Adventures made alot more impact, so much so that we got Porco Rosso out of it.
>>153577361>when you look at the early seasonsAnd then Matt Groening ruined it by going scorched-earth on any drawing that isn’t perfectly on-model. Besides it's not the best example to use when nobody was influenced by The Simpsons for its early art style, but rather for its writing.
>>153567798No Spongebob.
>>153577410Kys
Oh fuck TMSfag is here, abandon thread
>>153577549You first tourist.
>>153577516No, that would be Toshihiko Masuda, so much so that his brother Junichi would be the one to leach off of his brother rather then the other way around like in our timeline.
>>153577533>Besides it's not the best example to use when nobody was influenced by The Simpsons for its early art style, but rather for its writing.It influenced Family Guy which then influenced every adult prime time cartoon.
>>153577549No as that would be the good timeline
>>153577361You think that it is either one or the other, or that it is down to the complexity of the animation rather than style or tone. Like consider the gross out zoom in's on Spongebob. That's a direct Ren and Stimpy influence. If anything, Spongebob is in part a counterargument to Ren and Stimpy's cynicism.
>>153577567That's not a positive, Anon.
It's a shame that John K indirectly caused shit like this
>>153577516Action shows were dying off by the late 90's due to laws against advertising to children and diminishing toy sales. Bruce Timm never takes over. The best end for Bruce Timm is Mask of the Phantasm is a mega hit and WB goes all in on action animated movies.
>>153577567But under Japanese industry leadership shows like Family Guy wouldn't exist, we be getting this all the time if Japan was in charge.
>>153577639So you are saying that without John K than we will had never got to deal with Fop/Camp Sherwood
>>153577633No, if anything Tom Ruegger and Toshihiko Masuda takes over and Pokémon never went passed Gen 1, let alone got it's anime as John K is the reason why Pokémon got a anime and became the world's number 1 IP.
>>153577639What Japanese leadership? Pixar wasn't run by Japan. Nor Mainframe Entertainment (makes of Reboot).
>>153577658Yes.
>>153577678Than one hand we would not have that evil exist but on the other hand John did gave me mine lifegoal.
>>153577677If you can't tell, there are at least two schizos in this thread trying to make it about a porn fan comic and irrelevant anime.
>>153577677Japan made alot more impact then both Pixar and Mainframe Entertainment.Case in point.
>>153570756I don't see why that would happen, original programming seems inevitable as the channel got bigger and they started it pretty quickly after launch. They would be very different shows though impossible to imagine at that point
>>153577710I'm not a schizo
>>153577710Hamtaro is extremely relevant.https://x.com/oricon/status/2046865513792573509
>>153577727You're either the porn comic schizo or the Tiny Toons/TMS schizo. And if you want to act like less of a schizo, stop replying to everyone with the same shit over and over again.
This ship sucks.
>>153577733Not to this discussion.
>>153577735Again Camp Sherwood is evil that I'm going to defeat on Mobius. I do love Tiny Toons through.
>>153577742No, dyke
>>153577758Says the troon who likes the tranny dyke shit
>>153577745Yet....
>>153577756Kys, subhuman
>>153577782Just wait until we meet on Mobius.
>>153577766Still you
>>153577800No you are the troon
No fuckin' way R&S inspired so many cartoons and future creators. So aside from the pedo shit, why does John K get so much flack, especially here?
>>153577809Because tranny Camp Troonwoodfags hate him.
>>153577809Japan suffered because of him.
>>153577803You are >>153577816Nope
>>153577838Go back to liking shit like this
>>153577844I’m not, retard
>>153577855Yes you are
>>153577809He's a bit of an asshole who had a blog where he made many insulting statements about really just about every cartoon made after the 40s and especially 90s and 2000s that many people here liked.
>>153577861No
>>153577876YES YOU ARE
>>153577758Yes, yikes
>>153577782you first subnormal tourist.
>>153577800No u>>153577838Eeyup
>>153577809> why does John K get so much flack, especially here?Because his cartoons suck.Notice he just lives off Ren and Stimpy and nothing else? How is that suppose to be a role model when he can't even grow his own industry?Say what you want about Matt Groening but at least there's something else to talk about besides just Simpsons.
>>153578104Also Tom Ruegger.
Having achieved a post-scarcity civilization and immortality, while also curing all disease permanently, humanity expands to the stars, colonizing most of the galaxy by what would be the modern day today.
>>153567798No Happy Happy Joy Joy...
No other Nicktoon gets made. Not even the ones that premiered alongside or before his.Peter Jackson's LOTR movies don't get made.Breaking Bad doesn't get made.An asteroid wipes out all complex life on June 21, 2018.
If it wasn't for John K, Chrissy would have not gotten made over the Triboro Towers situation right then, BOOM.
>>153567798>John K never entered the animation industry; What changes?
>>153580754>Breaking Bad doesn't get made.Instead of BB we get Slippin Jimmy first.
