So I finally watched the various Moomin cartoons after getting sick and one thing has become abundantly clear... the shippers are both creepy and mentally ill. After watching it I looked up what all the "queer baiting" was and they were just moments of friendship or general caring for one another. Not even the out of place "blush" that can hint at deeper feelings. Even the 'queer' aspects of the comics and novels were such stretches it wasn't even funny. Normally I'd just chalk it up to fags being fags, but in the examples I saw I began to realize that these people view almost everything from a sexual lens.Why in the world did this IP attract such a bizarre audience?
First time dealing with faggots? They do this to every franchise, it doesn't matter which.
>>153568044>Even the 'queer' aspects of the comics and novels were such stretches it wasn't even funny.Yes and no, the author was a lesbian or at least bi, she did live with her girlfriend.But she created specific characters to be a queer allegory in the Moomin series that aren't the Moomin themselves.> they were just moments of friendship or general caring for one another.Were you expecting porn?Romance is full of friendship.
>>153568044>the shippers are both creepy and mentally ill.This is always the case.
>>153568044Those are the (mostly caucasian female) weirdos in every "fandom" of entertainment media: books, anime, manga, cartoons, rpg videogames (because those are just number grinding rather than games that take skill and reflexes) and movies.
>>153568074Stop trying to groom with the idea that romance is a more “advanced” relationship than friendship or CS Lewis will zap you from Heaven
>>153568074I'm starting to wonder about that. If you look at pre-2001 interviews Tove said she lived alone and was just good friends with Tuulikki. After her death though, a bunch of stuff came out about her being gay and her Niece was especially adamant about Tove herself saying she lived alone on the island was "wrong". Even in her allegorical novel about her and Tuulikki, they were just very close friends as the both of them had been saying until after their death when her supposed letters were published. All this, of course, starts being popularized among the time where LGBT people are trying to find examples of themselves in everything to the point where they'll read themselves into characters and history.
>>153568113I mean, he was right. His essay on "the right to happiness" is also something more people today need to read.
>>153568044proto-beanmouth artstyle
>>153568100Sometimes I get it. Even if I'm annoyed with it, western cartoons will appease these people every chance they get (ie: the aforementioned blushing in various situations). With Moomins its a bit more unsettling as the examples, especially from the 2019 cartoon, are literally just acts of normal friendship and kindness and these people are frothing at the mouth for characters in a children's cartoon to have gay sex.
>>153568103I've had this thought for a while, but what is it with women's proclivity to want to see or implement sexually degenerate relationships in the work they create and consume? Men do it too of course, but I find that it tends to be a lot more common in women.
>>153568044>the shippers are both creepy and mentally ill.That's literally all shippers. Shippers are mentally ill. Imagine defining yourself with a title that means "I want to see particular fictional characters fuck and will throw a tantrum if they don't." Like really think about that. It's creepy and mentally ill. Shipping should be used as an international standard as a means of identifying mental illness.
Poor neglected Snorkmaiden.
>>153568113>>153568171Do you believe that romance isn't full of friendship? Do you believe that romance isn't supposed to contain any friendship?
>>153568317It just sticks out like a sore thumb when these people read it into series it has no place. I think Korra and subsequent series that gave them what they wanted have them thinking they can force their will into any ongoing creative work so long as they push it hard enough. It just becomes infinitely more odd when they discuss it around shows meant for literal children like this or Bluey when there's no romantic subtext or it's portrayed in a very innocent/straightforward manner.
The author was a fruit of some sort at least, which in modern era means the entire thing is now branded as giga ultra gay as it's main theme and identity.
>>153568044>Why in the world did this IP attract such a bizarre audience?Because the creator is bisexual? It's not that unexpected. And Moomin's adoration for Snufkin was inspired by Tove's own adoration for her ex. So even while the relationship in the canon work is just a friendship, it's not too hard to see why some people would choose to read romantic subtext from it. Just to be clear, I don't like the Moomin x Snufkin ship. But it isn't a mystery why it is popular in the fanbase.Also it's very wrong to conflate romance with sex. While there will always be shippers who like the sexual side of romance, the majority of shipping content is fluffy sexless cuddly slop. Basically friendships but they kiss each other's cheeks and say they love each other sometimes.
>>153568044I think you just uncomfortable with tenderness, and decide what you fear is creepy and sinister.
>>153568333Herehttps://youtu.be/m4hI638mskQ?si=QS9KJm9uAxhZBMgIHis opinion in his own words, first in a series of four.
>>153568318She's kind of a hoe but i still would.
>>153568315Women are just bigger degenerates. Every society knew this and limited their influence in those societies accordingly. And now we idiots in Western, "progressive" Nations have given women all manner of un-earned power and control, and look where it's gotten us. Adam and Eve was a cautionary tale that many people still don't understand.
>>153568401I don't interpret tenderness as gay romance among two same sex characters the moment they show it and view people who do as creepy and sinister when they do it with a children's show and underage characters. That's what makes me uncomfortable.
>>153568440Ironic how even the religion they make concessions for (that being Islam) echoes this and even takes it to an extreme.
>>153568378>Tove's own adoration for her ex.Again, when you take things out of context its easy to portray it however you want. She appreciated his free spirited nature and wanderlust. She wanted the character to encapsulate those two things and Moomin to be infatuated with it.
>>153568416I didn't ask for his opinion.
>>153568504Eros contains elements of Phillia and Storge, yes.
>>153568504>spend two hours debating with me if friendship and romance are mutually exclusive and if that applies to same sex relationships so we can walk away thinking exactly as we do, but minus the two hours we wastedNah, he's right. Just watch the video. It'd be a better use of your time.
>>153568545Also, C.S. Lewis actually has the ability to break you out of your scientifically proven lack of thought diversity.
>>153568044>the shippers are both creepy and mentally ill.what a surprise
>>153568044>Why in the world did this IP attract such a bizarre audience?>creator herself was a bit faggy>cozy cute artstyle that simple
>>153568545Does romance contain friendship? Yes or no? This shouldn't be a difficult question for anyone to answer in their own words.
>>153568588I did answer you.
>>153568317>Shipping should be used as an international standard as a means of identifying mental illness.I think it can be "ok" if you're casual about it, like there's characters I wouldn't mind seeing together, but these fuckers take everything so seriously
>>153568592No you didn't. Why are you having so much difficulty answering a yes or no question?
>>153568619If I tell you will you watch the video?It's not very long and Lewis had a very nice voice.
>>153568630Ok.
>>153568658The answer is yes
>>153568333>>153568074Not the same anons, but I think there needs to be some self-restraint.One can't just assume that every display of friendship amounts to romantic feelings or sexual desire.A genuine friendship is a beautiful thing. It is selfless in nature. If you nudge it towards romance it starts to become a bit less idealized. Not that romantic love can't be something beautiful, selfless and genuine as well, but it might give the idea that the character is only acting friendly towards another because they desire to earn their romantic love.
>>153568772I think what exasperates this is when a show clearly defines a cute relationship, but then people try and want a realistic portrayal and, more often than not, a breakup. So not only can you not have friendship, but even an idealized romance can't exist... it also just so happens that every romance this certain group likes to gripe about tends to be heterosexual.
>>153568154>All this, of course, starts being popularized among the time where LGBT people are trying to find examples of themselves in everything to the point where they'll read themselves into characters and history.The reason why they read themselves is because those were real euphemisms used by non-straight people and is well documented.I live in Mexico, and the amount of gay people well into 2026 that are just "very close friends" that live together just so their parents don't have to accept they're gay is astounding.
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>>153568772That’s why well depicted friendships appeal to shippers who want to imagine the possibility, though. It’s inherently about the appeal of the relationship and getting hooked on that is not necessarily a real demand that anything happen differently onscreen. If every friendship in a show actually turned romantic and there were a dearth of deep friendship stories that would be reasonable, but shipping is about (for the vast majority) uninvolved viewers using their imagination to amuse themselves.
>>153568873Yeah I agree. 'Realism' (or at least, what some people expect from it) has its time and place, it doesn't need to apply to every story and character.Not every story needs it to be relatable and good/appropriate for what it is trying to convey.
>>153568317Friendly reminder that almost every single fandom incident that involved people trying to get others to kill themselves has involved shipping in some way.
>>153569357 The problem is that shippers often get raving mad if their ship does not become true. They complain how the author has 'baited' the audience and such, even when it wasn't even the intention of the author to make the thing seem romantic to begin with.Like, at the end of the day, it's all good, as long as people don't get too extreme. People can enjoy the story however they want, I jsut find it unreasonable to DEMAND and criticize the author too harshly just because their desires weren't made true.
>>153569336Didn't know they hired hags at Raisins.
>>153569550I understand you, but since it’s not limited to shipping, that category of behavior I see as a type itself, whether it’s demanding in shipping, plot development, or another type of fanservice, the behaviors and attitudes manifest the same ways with different points of obsession.
>>153569886I don't know. I think that's sort of a "all sides are violent," copout. Especially now when 90% of the violent death threats come from the side that are claiming to be baited by authors who, most of the time, have clear ships from the get go but because they don't give into the demand of certain shipping Fandom, they feel slighted. I legit had one yuritard in particular in all seriousness argue that physical violence was an appropriate action for portraying any sort of gay ships as straight.
>>153569420I still wonder what kind of wild death threats that guy who did the anti-abortion zootopia comic got to get him to come back and recant the whole thing. I imagine it must have been bad.
>>153569242>and is well documented.By gays who read them into previous things and then tried to set the standard in the mid-2000's. Again, you go back trying to find sources on a lot of this stuff and, much like the media has become, it's just them sourcing eachother.
>>153570219Yeah I can understand how that would be reflective of your experience in fandoms with a lot of shipping like /co/ stuff for kids.
>>153568154Not implausible, her brother Lars had a family but also banged men on the side.
>>153570348>Not implausible, her brother Lars had a family but also banged men on the side>look it up>same Biography that came out after her death and made a bunch of unverified claims of her life contrary to her own quotesNow I don't wanna go full tinfoil, but I'm thinking this may be one of the biggest LGBT revisions in a persons personal history.
>>153570459Sophia Jansson (Lars' daughter) wrote about her dad in a book that came out last year and said that her parents' marriage was unhappy because of the gay stuff going on in the side.
>>153570559His daughter is also super into the sauce. I watched an interview of her where she legit says her aunt didn't mean what she said when she said she lived alone and the biography written by a left wing socialist (who dabbled in political wiring) was closer to the truth. Iunno, just seems weird to me when you have the persons own quotes being thrown out for an "approved" biography that came out after that persons life. It also doesn't help that all the sources I can find for everything are journalists citing eachother or them referring back to the biography.
>>153570607Of course, I did just come off the Mansa Musa rabbit hole, so I may be looking overly critically at this and what people accept as fact. It just came to my attention that a lot of the homosexuality related stuff came out in a time when it was more trendy to present it.
>>153568074Finns are by nature pure subjects of the Tsar with no vile homosexuals allowed to exist.
>>153570773What happens in the sauna stays in the sauna
>>153568044Speaking of gay mentally ill Moomins, what do you think the upcoming Rebecca Sugar Moomins movie will be like?
>>153570348That's just what fennoswedes are like. For them it is tradition, just like their beliefs in their racial supremacy over us Finns as well as crayfish parties.
>>153573067What the fuck, jesus god no.
>>153573126Y-haplotests on the Janssons proved the family originally was of Finnish descent though, are Savonians known for being gay?
>>153568044Moomin are so cute!
>>153568044>>>/a/
>>153573067>what do you think the upcoming Rebecca Sugar Moomins movie will be like? Cancelled mid-development.
>>153568569diggin fer gold
>>153568044Lil hippo fellas
