How do you tell someone their art is ass in a way that would make them actually realize it?
>>153572698Why?
>>153572744They'd never improve otherwise
>>153572758Is that their goal, or yours?
>>153572698Take one of their earlier works and their most recent work, chances are there isn't going to be much of a difference between the twoThen take a much better artists early work and their most recent piece and then compare the growth between both artistsHopefully the artist gets the jist
>>153572870It should be everyone's goal, dumbass. If someone is waddling in mediocrity for years and nobody ever tells them, they'd never get any better.
>>153573024>inb4 "But I don't want to improve! This is just my style!"
>>153572698She seems like a nice girl, why bully her?
>>153573024You won’t be able to make someone realize something if you operate under the assumption that you know what other people are supposed to think. You have to relate the info to their values, not yours.
Is it a webtoon or something, I don't draw that well or that much but when you need to shit out a new chapter every week you have to take shortcuts here and there. It's not uncommon to have artists draw decent single illustrations but their animations and long form works will suck balls because they only have half an hour per panel
>>153573104Because they used to draw faces so much better
>>153573183Then it's probably what >>153573180 said, you gotta shorten your work time to meet a deadline.
>>153573183
>>153573247And now, every single face has these huge fuckass eyes
>>153572698Maybe their art is not bad, drawing vibes shift once you actually have do make a living out of it
>>153573275Forgot pic
>>153573183That’s normal when you have to keep up on a schedule
>>153573280This person doesn't draw for a living, so I don't know what you're on about. It's just a degradation of their artstyle.
>>153573223>>153573280No respectable artist would be content with McDonalds-ifying their burgers for the sake of efficiency. It's entirely possible to both work fast and still create a reasonably good product. Those newer faces are just objectively worse to look at.
>>153573275>>153573344So the problem isn't her skill, you just personally don't like her current style?
>>153573411>It's entirely possible to both work fast and still createAnd if its outside their current ability than they need to do things the get their product out to their customers in the mean time. This chick has a patreon and a schedule, if you don't want you customers to leave you gotta deliver, and if they're happy with the product then why rock boat? It's just good business sense.
>>153573411It sounds like you're projecting your unrealistic expectations on this random person. Maybe this is just a side hobby she's doing for fun? It's also kind of weird you're talking about this like it's some consumer product that must be held to some professional "objective" standards in your head even though I assume you're not paying for anything here and the artist hasn't asked random people for criticism. Do you like these comics in any way and want to see the artist succeed or is this something that vaguely annoyed you on social media?
>>153573484Ok, clearly you have some kind of outside attachment to this artist to be jumping to their defense like this, so I'm just going to be blunt here: their current artstyle direction is SHIT and you are only damaging any possible growth by coddling her like this. Artists often gradually change their artstyle over the years, and sometimes it's NOT for the better, and there's literally nothing wrong with pointing it out as an objective viewer.She's not some big-time cartoonist, frantically scribbling out comics on a strict deadline for the hungering masses or else she'll lose her job, so let's stop pretending this is out of sheer necessity. This isn't her fulltime job; it's a hobby.
>>153572698Your art is ass Hans Pebblethrow, and mocking other artists isn't changing that
>>153573667>clearly you have some kind of outside attachmentI don't, I just looked her up to see what all the fuss was going to be about>This isn't her fulltime job; it's a hobby.Then why worry so much about her growth and shit, it's more like you are a jaded fan that doesn't vibe with the art but no one else cares.
>>153573729>why worry so muchI'm literally just sharing my opinion on a comic discussion board, you fuckwit. You're the one obsessively clambering on all fours to her rescue just because you don't like to hear negative feedback about your favorite artist's saucer-eyed homunculi.
>>153573823Nigga then just type everything you said in this thread and send her an email? What did you want from us engaging in your thread?
>>153572698By being a white woman. Preferably some flavor of gay or trans one. Otherwise you're not *really* talking about the are and are just a bigot.
>>153573901>NOOO YOU CAN'T HAVE DISCUSSIONS ON THIS DISCUSSION BOARD AAIIEEEEEWhy does literally anyone make threads about anything? Fuck off.
>>153573955Well OP argues like a woman so she's halfway there.
>>153573964We did have a discussion and we determined it wasn't a skill issue, but a style issue. So just tell her you don't like her new style and you think it's gonna stop her from growing big. Bam.
>>153572698You lead by example. Post your art :3
>>153573993>"we">it's just been the same one guy suckling at her anus for the entire thread
>>153574019Sounds like you just wanted to bitch and argue at people regardless
>>153574019I'm not the one writing paragraphs about her fag, sounds like you don't like her and are mad no one cares.
>>153573823The art sucks but it's on her to privately seek out improvement if that's what she really wants. You started the thread with the implication that you want to tell her to improve but it's not in your place or any other random internet person to do that if she's not actively soliciting advice publicly. You might have a problem with social cues and context so relax. Getting worked up over an amateur hobbyist(?) isn't helpful. You aren't magically going to get her to study LOOMIS with your brutally honest but socially inept bumbling.
>>153574069You literally are, but I know it's hard to see with your head so far up your own ass.
>I don't like what this artist is doing>instead of being upfront with them about it I'll complain on 4chan and hope the fabled anonymous legion takes my side and we get to bully the artist later
>>153573280When did /co/ become so soft? It's ok to admit the art looks kinda bad and uncanny. You don't have to bend over backwards making excuses for someone.
>>153574228sounds like you don't like her and are mad no one cares.
>>153574420>herYou mean "him"
>>153574507sounds like only you care
>>153574228>>153574420>>153574550>U MAD?? NO ONE CARES! I SAID NO ONE CAAARES! STOP IT!Someone here DEFINITELY cares
here is a video titled 'Ways Brits say they hate their meal.'https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8kr-_UJaoV8I'll change the subject matter to art>It's certainly different>It's quite not what I expected>I've never seen it drawn this way>I don't think I'll read it again>I've seen better>I've seen worse>It's good to have a change now and again>well you tried a new style haven't you?>It's interesting
>>153573247>>153573275>>153573288Do you pay for a subscription? Im guessing you do. What other stake would you have in making her go back to her old style? The arts not my taste but it looks like you liked her old style more. Just tell her that.
>>153574585>no one takes the bait>complete meltdownsure
>>153574708>"no one takes the bait">takes the baitoh brother
“You know, if you started using AI it would actually be an improvement.”
>>153573183Hm that does look better, I wonder if there are external factors.
>>153574942Concession refused, good luck moving on
>>153575053I'm not even that anon, take your meds.Looking at this thread, I'm convinced you might actually be someone who knows the artist or pays for their "art", because I can't imagine getting this twisted over someone slandering some random comic.
She's so close to understanding
HER NAME IS MANGAKAIKIALL HER SHIT LOOKS LIKE THIS OP IS A FAG AND A SCHIZO BUT HE'S NOT WRONG
>>153575111At last, I truly see
>>153575134>another reddit artist>op trying to rile up peopleThis is just Pizza Cake trying to deflect hate, I just fucking know it is
>>153573024what do they owe you?
>>153575218My time back, so I can spend it plapping your mother
>>153572698There is a collection of pre-made objects. The Artist literally drag and drop the objects in the empty canvas.>>153573180webtoons are designed for Facebook and Instagram, one punchline in a single panel, simple designs and background in 100% white. And the fact who uses Post Offices in 202x ?
>>153572698>>153573065Honestly?I'd look at what they're influenced by, see what they're making, and try to help pivot them into something that closely resembles their actual artstyle but looks more appealing Focus on their strengths and lean into it
>>153575201If we're talking about comics we hate, gold star absolutely goes to THIS ugly clipart shit. Every time it pops up on instagram, it has like 70k likes on it, but it's always the most dull unfunny tripe I've ever seen.Don't even get me started on her "animations" made of still images that wiggle around a bit. It's insane how she's been at this for a decade and barely improved at all.
>>153575430>little fish sidekickWhats with all the fish sidekicks?
>>153572698Be harsh but firm, explain your points clearly don’t insult them just show them the problems. Like tell them it looks stiff and puppet like, like honestly add puppetmons nose and bam puppet.
don't care about whatever drama may or may not be going on in the thread and I'm just here in case someone draws porn of her and I mention that to get the ball rolling on that
>>153575430Is she talking to a butt plug?
>>153575480Why dont you draw the porn?
>>153575473OP isn't interested in talking about the issues with the author directly
>>153572698OP if you're serious. say that her art looks like it was made by AI. im serious. being compared to AI triggers a lot of artist.
>>153575525Well he’s no fun then, let’s talk about something more interesting, like what’s in the box!
>>153575525Nobody comes to 4chan looking to make change. I'm just here to look at fat cartoon milkers and shit on things I dislike.
>>153572698Never give an artist unsolicited criticism unless you genuinely don't care about their reaction.A lot of artists are thin skinned and will perceive any advice for improvement as an insult. Not saying what you're doing is wrong, just that artists are mentally insane as I'm speaking from experience.
>>153575646saying "your art sucks and you should do better" isn't criticism
>>153575646That’s terrible advice it sucks as much as that crappy art OP posted.
>>153575746I'm not wrong.
>>153572698You tell them their art sucks. Then you grab a piece of good art, put their art next to it, and tell them again that they suck.
>>153573288They're obviously just doing like B^Uckley and Pizzakek and gluing premade assets together like a lazy twat.
>>153575646>Never give an artist unsolicited criticism unless you genuinely don't care about their reactionOh, I careWatching them lose their fucking minds over having bad habits pointed out to them is vitamins to meAnd I hate AI but I hate lazy trend chasing retards with Patreons more
I hate these comics and art, holy shit
>>153575715No"You're imitating popular people for likes without bothering with fundamentals""Chromatic aberration to hide your insecurity with your linework means PRACTICE YOUR LINEWORK" "Oh, your OC is a punk tiefling with black lipstick and a hime cut, never seen that before"
>>153572698
This whole thread? All me.
I wish people would tell me my art sucked instead of getting crickets on every art post I do
>>153573288
>>153578411your art sucks so badly nobody even wants to bother commenting on it. you need to work harder to get good enough for people to tell you your art sucks.
>>153578411*monkey's paw curls a finger*
>>153573024Dude if they never realized it themselves then they're just retarded and there's no cure for that. We're not talking about "actually who's doesn't exist, it's whose". We're talking hardcore same facing in the pictures that anybody with eyes can spot right away.
Why is almost every reddit webcomic about lesbians, trannies, goonbait or politics?
>>153579408>Why is almost every comic about lesbians, trannies, goonbait or politics?ftfy
>>153576507>you art sucks and you should do better
>>153578250Your coward will only do more harm the artist in the long run.
>>153572698thats good art tho
>>153573183thats not better. the one in your OP is better.
maybe it's time to nuke japan
>>153573183This seems more like generic anime, she's gone from that to her own slightly more distinct style with the saucer eyes. I can see how you might not like that she's streamlined her work for greater output though. I think there's a therapeutic aspect for her when she draws her comic, I wouldn't want to criticize it too much.
>>153573247>bloating, weight gainGive her more.
>>153575646>Never give an artist unsolicited criticismReplace "never" with "always". Modern artists need to develop a thicker skin.>>153578517>We swears on the Precious.
is this epstein, the beginning?
>>153581717This man an inspiration fr !!
