I'm not going to lie.I'm jealous of them
I don't really care, OP
>>153583105I care
Jealous how? What are they taking away from you?
>>153583116It should be me (or any of us) with their sub count and moneyMeanwhile I'm facing homelessness and will never have an animated series
>>153583074seek inner peace
>>153583074Literally everyone experiences jealousy and if they say otherwise, they're lying
>>153583074Why would you be jealous of a company getting (predictably) destroyed by a looney troon?
>>153583122Good
>>153583074Just wait until you realize that 99 percent of cartoon creators came from upper middle class backgrounds If you start out poor, you're fucked
>>153583074How CAN a poorfag make an indie cartoon?Asking for a friend
My first thought is that the quality of your pitch should be aggressively good.If your main inspiration is stuff like cartoons and anime then you're doing it wrong. Not that there's anything wrong with 'em but you should definitely look outside of that scope for inspiration.
>>153583074>jealous of a company on extremely fragile foundations
once i sold exactly one copy of my bookit felt really excellentunless you're >>153583122>facing homelessness sometimes having even only one fan still feels excellent. i didn't want to focus on how many fans other people have, once you had your own.
>>153583074I give them five years before they end up like rooster teeth
>>153583197DEDICATIONhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aoRElXiAtA
>>153583197deal with looking low budget afI remember someone posted their Gravity Surge cartoon here, so I'll shill for them.https://youtu.be/hlW1DtI36qI?si=QJm7rTd7RWyHq7y5&t=2252
>>153583197Download Krita or Blender and animate. It's not hard, just time consuming.>b-but what about voice actors?Reddit, Newgrounds, even some threads on 4chan can hook you up with people looking to fill out their portfolio and work for free, doubly so if you have an interesting project.>b-but what about getting greenlit by a studio?Build up your reputation first. Make animations and shill them wherever possible. Find vectors that are typically underserviced and carve your niche there (example: D&D has a huge glut of animations so standing out is challenging, but World of Darkness games like Vampire the Masquerade or Werewolf the Apocalypse have far fewer animations, allowing a diligent animator an easier means of finding success).>b-but the indie boom is now, if I start now I won't find success!Success is not on a strict timeline. People will still want to watch new cartoons five to ten years from now. Take the time, grow your craft.
What indie show would you make, anon?
>>153583074I can't image glitch pays well
>>153583197You write, storyboard, animate the entire thing yourself. >T. Doing it right now, except will pay for voicesI could get volunteer VAs but I have specific people in mind that I wouldn't mind paying. Haven't gotten their rates yet.
>>153583644Post your work
>>153583197Suck lots of dick to get resources.Or you could get a regular job, what you make of it is up to (you)
>>153583122Please create something that at least one person enjoys and you'll be on your way to your own success
>>153583151What, like you mean they're gonna suffocate under all that money? It's become uncommon to store it on your head now we have banks
>>153583197These days Blender can be used from storyboard to final edit. Special sound effects' the only area where it's still lacking but you can complement it with the free version of davinci.No voice actors? Make something without dialogues.Here some other anon on /3/ made this the other day on zero budgethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGj8nKVFI68
>>153583714No, I mean 1.) Cooper Goodwin's antics (along with everyone on the show being a rainbow ghoul or a capitulator of such, with a matching fanbase to boot) have been a PR disaster for Glitch; 2.) nothing they have down the pike has the same YouTube Kids/Mascot "Horror" aesthetic, meaning they'll all have a smaller initial audience; 3.) nothing they have down the pike is being made by one of the West's anointed, sexually-transmogrifying eunuchs, meaning they won't have the same algorithmic boost as Circus Shit did for its pilot, or the same rainbow-cult fanbase (unless the Owl House chick making Guinevere really wants to emphasize whatever she is this week); and 4.) be honest, how remembered will this shit be after a year, let alone five?
>>153583239the employees and owners all got a new house, except for the sweatshop animators they've got employed
>>153583074It's the most successful indie animation ever got and it's a shame it's going to be torn down by noncontroveries and petty spite.>>153583655Only real answer.
>>153583962Eh, a couple years back anons were saying Glitch would fall from grace after Murder Drones.All I'm seeing is you're super focused on whatever Dale Cooper or Dana Scully or whoever else are saying on tumblr or god knows what, meanwhile a bunch of theaters near me, on the ass end of the world on the other side of the planet from where Glitch is, are showing that final episode and they were fully booked hours after it was announced to be shown here, in a country where I expected people to not even know that show exists.So I think they're gonna do just fine.
>>153584068>a bunch of theaters near me, on the ass end of the world on the other side of the planet from where Glitch is, are showing that final episode and they were fully booked hours after it was announcedAnd how likely are they going to do that again after the theater gets "Chicken Jockey"-ed on the first, second or nth showing?
>>153584129It won't stop Minecraft and it won't stop them either. The people that profit off the cinemas aren't the ones who have to clean up.
>>153584129I'm sorry man I don't even know what that means. Minecraft was basically a non-event over here
>>153584156>>153584385Oh, I only used "Chicken Jockey" as the most tame possible example. If you want my honest assessment, it'll be somewhere between that and Rainfurrest.
>>153584415That I had not heard that term until today means it's a non-factor in the real world, where Glitch is making bank
>>153584980>the real world, where Glitch is making bankBut none of their fans live, especially fans of Circus Shit.
>>153583149There are levels of jealousy. There's an initial pang where you may wish you could have something that someone else has but you're able to recover relatively quickly and either move on or use that to fuel your endeavors, and then there's crippling jealousy where it consumes a person and they don't actually move on or use it to inspire their own journey...they just stew in what eventually becomes seething hatred. Be the former and if you find yourself becoming the latter, do the work to overcome it.
>>153583160That's not unique to cartoons. It pretty much applies across the board when it comes to the upper echelons of success. It's not impossible to create a cartoon if you're poor just as it's not impossible to become a doctor. It's just harder and more rare. That said, that applies specifically to runaway success shows that get nationally syndicated on TV or "picked up" by Glitch. It's entirely possible to make something on your own and gain a modest fanbase and it's also possible to simply find work in the industry storyboarding or doing character design or whatever even if you are poor.
>>153585001Obviously they do, since they bought all those theater tickets
>>153583074>I'm jealous of themSo... you have an exclusive relationship with them, and you wish to guard that against unfaithfulness or rivalry? Or perhaps you mean that you envy them, feeling resentment at their good fortune.
>>153583197Draw every shot on paper with pencil then take pictures with an old iphone and put them into Capcut for editing an sound fx https://youtu.be/7ZbW8gdfY0M?si=f0n-1LseeaHToKw3
>>153583122>It should be meWhy?
>>153585176And Rainfurrest attendees bought tickets to that, too. Those are still people disconnected from reality.
>>153583122What you have is Envy, not jealousy.
>>153585543>>153585436I just wish I wasn't such a fucking faggot loser
>>153583585>I can't image glitch pays wellIt doesn't. It pays well enough that you can scrape together a living (barely), but mainstream industry work pays a lot better even though those rates were also low for skilled labor. Glitch is able to hire talent partially because the industry is a complete sewer at the moment. Their workforce is comprised of recent grads looking for ways to break into the industry (who are also starry-eyed over Glitch) as well as out of work industry veterans who desperately needed a gig after burning through their savings. They've gotten some good PR due to the success of TADC which has managed to "disrupt" the mainstream industry, but artists are starting to burn out and we're going to see more cracks in the foundation as time goes on unless financial structures change. Right now they're leaning on the fact that people need work, aren't ready to give up on the industry yet, and are enthusiastic about the projects they're on/people they get to work with, but that's not going to last forever.
>>153583122No one wants to see your series about your self insert not getting along with your parents anyway....
>>153583197You make it by your goddamn self, ant it will take 2-3 years. Then put it on youtube. if it's not shit then you can try to get monetized and then beg for money on patron to do more and grow from there.
>>153583962>Cooper Goodwin's anticswhat are you talking about? Goose made like two salty comments indicating frustration with the toxic fanbase, but almost immediately backpedaled and hasn't really said anything controversial since. You can't be so naive to think that that constitutes a "PR disaster".
>>153583122>moneydidn't the TADC writer the other day say he was having money problems? If you're in the production team, you're not getting shit; the suit faggots (investors etc.) are the ones getting paid.
>>153585585And what are you doing about it?
>>153585475again, speak english furfag
>>153583074>I'm jealous of themLol, if you're jealous that you don't have an audience of rabid faggots who'll want to destroy your life over something minor you did 10 years ago, you're a fag.
>>153583074>jealous>you get to work on one show for them then they toss you to the streets for the next shitty eceleb artist. theyre literally just new Hollywood
>>153584415>this time the industrycucks will be right and glitch will die
kitt at least broke the trend of all the glitch protags being flatties because she's stacked as hellI'm not counting knights of guinevere because I dont give a fuck about that show
I wish I was that gloink about to be eaten by Cyn
>>153584129Everyone in the audience will scream “NEGA” when Jax appears on screen.
>>153583122At this point in 2026 you are going to have to come to the conclusion the animation industry is not going to bounce back. You are going to have to get another job elsewhere in the workforce. There is a huge amount of stupid post grads and people who worked on maybe 1 gig total a year or two ago that REFUSE to get any other kind of job since if it's not in a major animation studio they will simply not work at all. And they are losing everything since one cannot wait years to get that Dream Job. you are going to have to do some wagie shit, or sell insurance to, otherwise get a normal 9-5 since Nickelodeon, Disney TVA, or WB Animation are not going to call you anytime soon.
>>153583116Jealousy isn't about what's taken from you, it's wanting what someone else has.
>>153583160Yeah.....in the last 15 years gigs in LA became more and more a past time for people who could already pay all their bills and live in Burbank before getting started. In the 2020s it's a hobby/past time of the rich. Typically 2nd or 3rd generation Hollywood types who are the grandkids of a member of Def Leppard, or a Director from the 70s. Regular people who are not from Burbank or Glendale just do not have any opportunity to even get a small part. If they do it's just for about 3-4 months then they are back to unemployed for a year or more. They simply cannot make it. It requires a network that one is born into to get a studio attention now.
>>153585772No, a random contracted songwriter said he was having money problems. And Glitch doesn't have investors.
>>153586263I wish I was the gloink Doll is looking at like she's looking at walking garbage.
>>153585741>what are you talking about?You're right; we're still waiting for a victim to come forward.>>153585964>furfagNo, it's just internet lore at this point. Frankly, I'm surprised you've never heard of it.
>>153585772Glitch pays like middle income wages. $65-75K a year which is decent everywhere but LA/Burbank people. That's poverty level for them.
>>153586707Frankly I'm amazed you think your internet "lore" would matter in any way, furfag
>>153586780never understood why people live in expensive places, feels dumb
>>153586794It matters when you're talking about delusional internet communities, like furfags or Circus Shit fans.
>>153583149>>153583074I was never jealous of them, even at my most depressed. I always find it odd and extremely sad how many people envy being in this hellish existence. I do feel bad for you and hope one day, you'll like your life more than a fictional depiction of a digital hell.
>>153586901The only delusional one is you who brought it up
>>153583197Just do what tammers12345 does. He is a one-person (maybe 2-person) team, and he cranks out anywhere from 20 minutes to 90 minutes plus of animation a WEEK. All using free programs.
>>153587252As the other end of a spectrum of behavior that I expect Circus Shit fans to partake in, yes.
>>153586707>have been a PR disaster for Glitch>have been>we're still waiting for a victim to come forwardso no PR disaster. Good going, tard
>>153586798It depends heavily on what you do for a living. If you're trying to work as an actor/animator/director/writer/etc, living in an area known to be an entertainment hub is important. You don't find writing gigs on craigslist. You get them by being a writer and going to events where industry people are, making connections, and hopefully some of those people eventually look at your work. Working remotely in animation has only really become a realistic thing in the last few years but even so, a lot of jobs (especially for bigger shows) still require you to work on premises. And since all entertainment jobs are temporary, in order to find more work, you kind of need to do stuff like grab coffee or lunch with people to "catch up" (which is partially friendly but you're also partially fishing for leads on potential work). Doing that on zoom does not have the same effect. A lot of Glitch artists (but not all) work remotely so it's less of an issue for them specifically, but they also tend to want to hire people who have heavy credits in their portfolio. People working on Glitch shows have previously worked at Cartoon Network, Nickelodeon, Disney, etc, and they were able to do that because they live/lived where the work is. Once you get a remote gig, it would be a bit easier to move away but 1) moving costs a lot of fucking money2) all entertainment work is temporary. When your remote job ends, you'll be stuck in the middle of nowhere trying to hunt down jobs again which is not a good place to be. Things are SLOWLY shifting. Eventually in the future you might not have to live somewhere like LA, Atlanta, NYC, Vancouver, etc, but for now you end up shooting yourself in the foot if you don't live where the industry is. Trust me, high cost of living sucks and most people in animation would love to live somewhere cheaper if they could.
>>153583074Same
>>153583074Don't be. Just take inspiration from Glitch's success and let that motivate you in your own artistic endeavors. You don't have to make the next "Amazing Digital Circus" to feel creatively fulfilled. Just make what you'd like to see out in the world
>>153583074Lots of people are
>>153583074Why don't you just work hard and make an indie show?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuNW9vLUxu4Get to work
>>153590237>You don't have to make the next "Amazing Digital Circus" I don't think ANYONE is capable of making the next TADC tbqhwyf
>>153583074Well, you're not alone on this, pal.
>>153583074I can’t see a reason to be jealous of GLITCH other than their money and ability to market themselvesIn terms of artistic craftsmanship the average anime studio mogs their visuals hard.
>>153583074Glitch is the last studio I would ever be envious of, let alone jealous. Just a bunch of negas with stolen ideas.>Love, Death and Robots>I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream>Raggedy Ann. This one’s the most egregious example.
>>153590612This
>>153592274>Being inspired by others is stealing from themDo Glitch haters really?
>>153584129>me cheering on the ragatha/pomni kiss scene as the IED goes off under my seatGLITCHIN JOCKEY
>>153592848Glitch haters will stoop to any level or pull out any excuse because of their immense seething.
>>153583074Exactly why a lot of people hate them.
>>153583197There are enough programs, and platforms in the modern day to make/market a cartoon for free (or a small subscription fee) by yourself, obviously discounting the money you need to survive in the meantime but that should be from NEETdom or working a job. Figure out a good animation program and learn to draw, or go for the 3d modelling> animation pipeline in Blender if you prefer 3d. Please for the love of god also learn to write as your secondary skill. After this point it is about making concessions. You are going to be working alone for a while, or with sparse free/ amateur help if you can manage it. You simply cannot make a 24 fps beautifully rendered movie as a solo creator without it taking 15 years of your life. Fortunately, people can actually look past a ton of jank or corner cutting if there is a compelling idea or strong appeal to your work, especially knowing you are a making an indie project. Learn what you can get away with, are capable of making, and where to funnel your effort. Tamers is a great example of this. People glaze him for his output but he has a workflow set up of stock images he crudely mspaint doodles characters over and voices with TTS/ ai voices, and people love his stuff because they are there for his humor and it does not require anything more. Homestuck was a lot of text, still images, with brief moments of limited animation for key moments where it really mattered and it helped those story beats shine. Animatics or storyboards are pretty common for fandom memes and short videos and those are massively less effort than finished, polished animation while still having the ability to tell serious stories and get across audiovisual ideas. People wont give a fuck that your walking talking scenes are crudely animated if you perfectly capture expressions and movements in fight scenes or key points of the narrative where it actually matters.
>>153583074Don't be
>>153583074I'd give anything to be one of them
>>153595362Ten thousand hours working diligently on building animation skills, then ten thousand hours more on promoting your work and making contacts?
