I can see the harley 2.0 critique with her being introduced as being loyal to joker and a big fan then instantly getting her own solos and betraying joker to become the "Clown Countess of Crime". But what do you anons think?
>>153583581Already forgotten.
If she gets into some animated show and has a good design there she's gonna be a mainstay in comics forever.
>>153584418This. All she needs is one good episode.
@@153584486I'm sorry to inform the gay ghouls but once a being of eternity accepts the role of apprentice to black hand no amount of whining or clapping will bring them back. Not unless you accept culpability. I the bringer of dawn have done this? REALLY OFFICER.
>>153583581>is she a good characterno>or just harley 2.0also no harley's a sob story, punchline's not because she doesn't get abused. she's not a good character either. she's......just there
>>153583581She looks like a Mortal Kombat character and there is nothing about her that tethers to the name Punchline or being an accomplice of the Joker, let alone his girlfriend for what? A few months? Basically the character seems like a cashgrab on Tynion's part and was hoping he'd make some participation money off of her, which he still could if what >>153584418 says happens.
>>153583581>is she a good charactershes not a character, shes a function
>>153583581She has a great design tailor made for thots to cosplay as. Might need a rework or adaptation but the potential is definitely there for something.
>>153583581Tynion has never created a good character and she’s no exception
>>153583581She makes my peepee hard, so she's good.
>>153584308Truly was a Fotm>>153584418I mean by this logic that's all most need to be remembered lol. Getting a solo only 5 months after your intro and 2 more comic runs. I feel if you aren't remembered or cared about by then kind of nothing helps>>153584794Yeah can see this but classic harley felt like a good mix of abuse and character. Back when she and joker had more give and take. Now harley blames all her schizo on joker and doesn't actually improve herselfYeah punchline had potential but they instantly ruined it by trying to make her try and take over gotham she'd be a good henchman but her just going from joker to her own villain in literally only 1 run.>>153585237She's the social media girl now since her last two books involved her using social media
>>153585368Who else have they made
We really should create a term for characters made just for cosplayers and variant covers.
>>153588562Huh that's actually kind of smart, guess characters like spider gwen falls into that as well. Idk what a good word would be
>>153588562"Female characters"
Of course not>>153584418If she did get put in a cartoon, she'd get some decent fanart (most of which would nsfw, because duh) and then be promptly forgotten about.I recall some Punchline simps claiming she'd be good in the Harley Quinn cartoon. However, given that Joker is already spoken for in that, at best they'd just use her for a few episodes to make fun of her edgelady bullshit and have her as a running b-plot, then have her snap in the season finale and off some background characters for shock value. Granted, she'd still get merked by the end, but that's still a very charitable estimate on my part.>>153585351>>153588562>>153588717cosplay fodder?
>>153589314Irony about punchline is since the harley hype is dying and heard the siren run didn't go to well either. She really is just useless as much as they said she was meant to not be harley she did everything they did with harley in the early 10s. She was obsessed with joker, broke free of him, got all her crimes forgiven, then branched off into her own crime/storyline. Only difference is harley took 15ish years to get enough love to go solo and that went on to skeptical degrees of success. Punchline went solo barely a year into the joker war, she really is just wank bait sadly.I think she could work especially if they actually kept her under joker longer. But alas they refuse to do anything interesting with joker anymore and won't allow him to have a long staying partner/sidekick. Honestly her being in a harley series would 100% just be them meming on her and then harley beating her to death brutally. Maybe they'd make her a harley simp instead of joker then lead to harley killing her by accident or because she'sw ruining her new wholesome life>Cosplay foddersimple but works
>>153584418Too bad Young Justice is already six feet under.
>>153589575>Honestly her being in a harley series would 100% just be them meming on her and then harley beating her to death brutally.Already happened.
>>153591217wait she was in the harley show?>>153591007she'd be too silly for that show
>>153591404>wait she was in the harley show?No but there was a miniseries a few years ago, it's where the bathtub gaming stream scene comes from.
OP you're not going to get a good answer out of /co/. This board is infested with non-readers parroting shit they've heard from other dumbasses, especially when its a kneejerk contrarian reaction to go against something
>>153591702Oh but they were saying animated, but yes I do remember her and harley fought wait harley killed her lol. Damn imagine being used as a harley fodder when you were pitched as the harley slayer/better/2.0
She fades out faster that Joker's daughter They even have her beat JD like Harley and JD returned anyway.
>>153591923Yeah she really came out in 2020 and mostly forgotten even though she just had a run in 2025.Damn worse than joker daughter is hilarious>>153591760Yeah, sadly I can see this but in the end of the day she's just another fotm who had a moment or two. She honestly just can't work as she didn't do her job. She was made to replace harley proceeds to try and be new 52 harley not og btas harley we loved. Plus harley and joker are so iconic you'll never be able to make another villain couple as memorable it's also why they fell apart some losers saw them being a couple and got pissy online and then they broke it up to appease them.
>>153583581The problem with Punchline is that she is a hollow character because behind-the-scenes reason for her existence is an obvious case of DC wanting to eat their cake and still have it.Harley Quinn was made to be an independent more antiheroic girlboss to appease feminists after backlash over them romanticizing she and Joker's abusive toxic relationship but they also pushed her to be a lesbian lover with Ivy and canonizing her being bisexual for progressive brownie points and to cynically market issues around that every pride month like with Batwoman. Punchline is NOT Harley 2.0 in the sense that she isn't borderline retarded like Harley (whom Batman always points out "was never too bright" and who slept her way to getting a PhD) and was largely submissive to the Joker.Punchline IS Harley in the sense she s meant to fill that void on paper, HOWEVER, she actually has a spine (unlike Harleen) and is more than willing to fuck the Joker over and/or leave him for dead if the option appears to be more optimal for her. Clearly, DC was annoyed by those waxing nostalgic about OG Harley Quinn before she got Deadpoolified but also realized they were likely leaving money on the table by not trying to do SOMETHING to try mitigating the issue and these tweaks were both a compromise and a way to avoid having the same repeat Mary Sue articles bitching about another woman being abused by a man for the male gaze or whatever the fuck.
>>153592205>The problem with Punchline is that she is a hollow character because behind-the-scenes reason for her existence is an obvious case of DC wanting to eat their cake and still have it.This is ironic as they were even worse, they "wanted their cake but also wanted to eat it a second time" because they immediately started going solo and abandoned joker and even fought him. She was pitched as joker's new loyal henchman and within less of a year she was already having her own solo and next mini series was about her killing batgirl and beating joker's daughter trying to have her work her way through joker's rogues/connected gallery of rivals.True do remember this as well I remember the event and articles too. It was a valentine's thing at hot topic Of course kek, literally some people said it was toxic to consider them a couple and portray them for a valentine's day thing. It was that which sparked other bs, then she never recovered for a while it worked actually. She did decent on her own compared to others though now she's basically weirdly a robin/bat family member at this point.Really she is harley but worse as they don't call out the inherit good points of og story arc. Harley was parallel with those "I can fix him" girls and "killer lover" girls. But in the end she worked as they gave it a bit of both sides giving harley moments of dominance in the relationship but also fall off moments. Punchline was the inverse she is just a cringe college girl who knows karate but suddenly can keep up with batfamily members and can control the crime world. She's more like the fantasy of girls that wanted to be harley but without the depth of the falling off aka seeing the realistic side of working for a villain their was only good for her making her boring as hell.In the end they still flopped, also yeah punchline as a starscream actually would be better than what we really got. She's just as scummy as joker with no deep love for him but a fan and respects him.
>>153584486agree
>>153592598Hate to be the pessamist but if that was the case every character would be super popular. So many characters in the era of much better writing got solo eps and rarely truly took off. Let alone had 3 solo series/main story arcs. Don't think animation would save her just get her more nsfw then she'll be forgotten like zoe from invincible
harley has to have had the fastest timeline from creation to mainstream popularity to being completely ruined.
>>153592687I think their are others, but harley indeed has been milked dry last year april proved this
>>153592205>>153592524What would've been a better approach?
>>153593618Not trying to move her on her own immediately, also really she just can't work sadly as harley worked so well she'd always be in her shadow. I think better route would be a male henchman just to balance it out, but if we are sticking to female/punchline think a more logical schizo to really tard wrangle the joker. Like a stan edgar type respected because they are crazy in their own way just more logical crazy or more prepared to make the plan work since joker is more of a artist. I just think having someone trying to match joker's crazy will never work sadly, as we have had so many just as crazy as joker characters both male and female and none last because well everyone prefers the joker not some knock off.
>>153583581I like this character but DC gives you no reason to really care for her, its been like a year and a half since she's been in anything
>>153593785The way she was presented gave me exacly the impression of what you're talking about though. She's fully onboard with the Joker's crazy shit but she's levelheaded enough to make it all work and she's got the brains to run the day-to-day of his gang's operations while Joker himself is free to focus on the bigger schemes. Honestly that short story where she poisons her college's dean and goes "society's a joke, I'm the Punchline(tm)" was fine. Cringy but that's the point, she's an edgy college chick full of Gen Z/Alpha nihilism who just wants to fuck shit up, no sob story needed. As many have pointed out, they got greedy and blew their load too early with her, so she fizzled out, it was all a matter of presentation and pacing.
she was famous like 2 minutes in 2020 and 2021 and the nothing. Even harper row and new52 joker's daughter as other anon said got more pages and panels.
>>153594244Mr. Freeze used to be a nobody too, and then Dini and Timm happened along. The other anon was right, she just needs a good animated episode as exposure.
>>153593957I think that's the biggest thing she had just as many things working against her as she did working for her. But they blew their load, and also didn't make her interesting enough for us to care>Takes karate=being able to fight robins/batfam members>Learns to make joker toxin by joker=being able to make her own better variant>Good at reading people=she can convince all of gotham she's a victim not a serial killer>etcHer arc is sped through at a insane pace because remember both in comic and real world most of her arc is from mid 2020 to late 2021. She did so much insane stuff and also broke away from joker, the writers didn't even wait 2 whole years to try and push her on her own. The worst case I've seen since is maka akane aka spider girl from spider boy. She similarly was fotm everyone drew her and thought she was super cute also had fun energy/rival potential. Then they gave her a solo run and set her up in the X-men future comic all in the span of a few months of her intro into spider boy. An they killed all her potential by just making her a good guy/misunderstood mutant girl who has a loving family which felt so foreign to her og appearance just 6 months prior. Idk what it is with modern writers but they can't wait anymore or do things in degrees like they did in the past. Like imagine if robin was only robin for 2 years then he immediately became nightwing or went off to the teen titans? they'd have flopped too it's about earning your stripes and building a fanbase that will leave with the character/follow them.Also yeah her being a edgy college chick was a bit cringe but could have worked if they locked in. Think biggest flaw of punchline is they always double down on her, most things about her feel like memes or something some gothic/emo kid would write in a fic. "Me and joker meet and he takes me under his wing and i'm his crime princess daughterfu uwu" but they really play it all straight and none of it works by the end
>>153595346Yeah but those type of goats don't exist anymore sadly. Plus way she's pitched they'd never let her change that much. I honestly think her best bet is make her screwball but more moraless it's best way to keep their whole "social media" vibe they've pushed and make her fit a more joker esque type comedian. But really again I say by this logic anyone can be memorable, also have to think about the fact most times these characters go unloved or uncared for years if not decades. Also batman has too many rogues as is, we just had a baby doll thread proving she sadly has to wait her spot in line.>They've got the penguin show>need to make scarecrow scary again>fix harley again>give killer croc a good animated spotlight>mary dahl>etcBut if dini and timm were put in charge of a punchline comic, oh god would I read or watch it immediately. But most writers aren't that good anymore sadly they'll just use her comic
>>153583581I think there's some potential in there. She has a nice visual design and her gimmick of being an e-thot with weaponized simps is unique at least. The problem, as always, is that modern writers always fuck up female villains because they can't ever fully admit that they're wrong and evil. So they try to turn them into tragic figures or some kind of feminist message and that always ruins them. Just let them be evil and punish them afterwards, it's not that hard.
>>153596382The first one can't really be held against her because way too many people in comics are able to hold their own in a fight (both heroes, villains, and mooks) despite a lack of either fight training or experience. If you're sticking with realism then even great fighters would struggle against the Bat Family because they're covered head to toe in body armor that would cushion any blows against them while conversely the Bats would be shit at fighting because they're covered head to toe in heavy, movement restricting body armor covered with a loose cape.
>>153591760I still read comics, as dumb as that is. I've never read a comic with her in it. So yeah, it is a knee jerk response, but I know from the little I've seen I can pretty much guess exactly how she's played out. Because all I saw was a bunch of speculation and variant cover fever at my LCS. A few cosplayers on social media and at a con. And a summary of what she's done being exactly how I thought I would go. I'd love to be surprised. But I rarely am.
