unironically the best comic hero
>>153584767Raider is based.
>>153584767>>153584806>tfw my country probably created the most autistic thing in the world since Sonic
unironically I have like him better then marvel superheroes. also I think Xadhoom is the right girl for him never mind daisy.
>>153584835*most awesome thingSeriously, Paperinik is great, even if it's autismal as hell. Mile-a-minute comicbook insanity. Time travelers, alien vampires, alternate dimensions, and all sorts of other crazy cosmic shit.I'm also really impressed at how likeable Xadhoom was. She's an OP anti-heroine with a major attitude problem, yet I was rooting for her all the way even though in any other comic she'd be insufferable.
>>153584767Americans will never embrace a Donald Duck that isn't just "haha angry bird talk funny".
>>153584936Let me guess, you need more?
>>153584936Because Americans love everything angry that talks funny. They constantly elect such a thing.
>>153584835If you’re talking about Duck Avenger then first, how dare you Second, not even slightly close bro
>>153585357I’m italian and just look at his shit for a second
>>153585366I did and again, what are you on about lolMy man you don’t know the meaning of autism bro
>>153585522Well, it just give me that vibe
>>153584907>the burns he got from a thank you kissHe’d never survive
>>153584835GODTALIANS AUTISM IS STRONG!
>>153584767I will always hate that americans didn't call him Phantom Duck. It was right fucking there.
>>153587974duck avenger is kinda fitting honestly, since in the original stories he mostly takes revenge for injustices done against donald.I really like one particular story where he starts using the mask as a kind of coping method for his life sucking, and donald's bad luck starts haunting paperinik too, he starts sucking at the one thing he's good at and has a little existential crisis until he figures out that what he really needs to do is help others. it's a great bit of character development for him.
>>153587974If you did that people would expect a completely different aesthetic because no one here was going to appreciate the allusion to FantomasI can agree that “Duck Avenger” probably isn’t the right name either but it feels like a closer middle ground of Euro and American superhero sensibilities and the role Donald actually plays as the hero
>>153584767Someone however long ago made a thread asking people to vote on something about Paperiniik's HQ getting destroyed, they wanted it to change and I snidely said I'd vote against that.I want to apologize for that.You might think I'm joking, but looking how things have turned out in DC and Marvel from editors and writers obsessed with preserving their idea of things instead of progressing the stories they were trusted with has made me realize how important it is for fans to have a voice in this sort of media. I don't even recall if I actually did vote or just shitposted but it's the sentiment of the thing.
>>153588126>>153588134I think people can understand the phantom thief theming, especially nowadays when Persona 5 made the cliche popular again. Duck Avenger can be the localisation of "Diabolical Avenger", which is his title. "Diabolical" applied to Donald Duck is probably way too cringe for modern audiences to appreciate anyway.
>>153586670It's not fair Birgit never stole a kiss from him.>>153587974Duck Avenger works fine, same as Darkwing Duck. If anything Darkwing is more menacing. Phantom Duck imo connotes a more ethereal gentleman thief than what Avenger is.
>>153588676I think she'd kill him even faster
>>153588676>Phantom Duck imo connotes a more ethereal gentleman thief thanDonald literally becomes paperinik by stumbling on the secret lair of an old gentleman thief called Fantomious. That is exactly what it is.
>>153587974the motivation to get at Duck Avenger is silly as hell but the name itself works perfectly, if anything it's one of the best cases of English localisations of Italian Disney concepts. Certainly better than "Dickie Duck" or "Boomer Buff"
>>153589357yes but does this carry through in Donald's design and action style? certainly not in the PKNA comics, though I've never read the older interations
>>153589357He stops being a gentleman thief like three stories in. Hell, he was never one to begin- it's notable that while he's using the suit of one, who's even named accordingly as "Fantomius", Donald's "Paperinik", after Diabolik, who was a thief but a much more openly cruel and violent one, certainly not the "Gentleman" archetype; and his motivation was not to steal or rob but to fuck with Scrooge and punish him for treating him like shit. Most of the history of this character is moreso as a bit of a gag "what if Donald Duck was Adam West Batman", so a name that focuses on that makes sense.>>153589637Most of the stories of his normal iteration are still fairly straightfowards superheroics, just cartoony and comedic.
>>153589637Like I said, the original comics mostly have him enact some kind of vigilante justice on behalf of civilian donald. although he pivots more towards genuine heroism later on.PKNA is a lot more americanized, with all the weird interdimensional alien stuff.
>>153589514>Boomer BuffMan, do I wanna punch that ugly retard
>>153589734"later on" is really overselling it, anon. It's near instant, they realised that once the catharsis of Donald getting to fuck over someone else rather than being the one getting fucked over was done, the character needed softening. It's a small handful of stories before he's instead focusing on fighting the Beagle Boys and stopping random thieves
>>153589747I like him as a concept and I even like his stories often, both for himself but also how they play Donald and Gyro as friends. His design is a bit too much for me though, the result of Mastantuono's Disney style being really exaggerated; and the name "Boomer Buff" feels wrong to me
>>153587974Remember the brief period where he was being called "PK" in America?
>>153589347I fucking love seeing Duck comic edits. Are there any decent ones with the Ducklair sisters?>>153589357What Donald stumbles on and how/why he uses the suit are two different things. Think Terry stealing the suit in Batman Beyond. He added his own sense of style rather than live up to Bruce's idea of Batman.
>>153589783It's really weird that Duck Avenger actually stuck considering it was part of a failed project. I guess people just enjoyed the name regardless
>>153589755I mean the really early stories he's more or less a villain, yes. they course correct that fast.but then there's a fairly long period where there's more ambiguous stories, he still fucks with people who wronged him as donald, but more in a way that actually exposes them instead of it just being petty revenge. I think one of my favorites is where he plays scrooge and ruckerduck off of each other to make them expose each others underhanded business tactics.it's not until the 90's where we really start to see pure-heroic stories with clearly defined villains, and of course PKNA itself.
>>153589805I didn't even remember that it was a shitpost edit that I saved until you pointed it out just nowI'm much more of a latecomer to the series so I haven't found much
>>153589783I remember because that period was the Star Wars prequels of Duck Avenger and it's fucking infamous with fans
What's wrong with PK?
Imagine Donald’s bulge in that skintight suit
>>153590079There was an attempt at making PKNA an international brand but they thought Americans would find it hard to accept the idea of Duck Avenger since it didn't have the 40 years history it had in Italy. So they rebooted the origin story to make it happen at the same time as the new stuff (Evronians and whatnot) and made it so PK was flat out the superhero name instead of it being short for Paperinik (and they also went about it in a really corny way, they had him choose that name because it's the first two digits on the shield's serial number). Not only did the reboot piss off fans of the main continuity, which again, was technically 40 years of comic book history, but the stories of this reboot were deemed much lower quality and only got worse. You can find some Ken Penders tier shlock in the reboot pages and a couple good stories so at least it has some entertainment value.
>>153589912They pop up in all sorts of places it seems.
>>153584767Why do Nordics love this Batduck so much
>>153588676If anything Darkwing existing already is the main reason PK is not a think in America
>>153584767Does Classic Paperinik even have a proper rogues gallery outside of Magica and Beagle Boys? I remember that he has some recurring super villains but majority of them are just one off villains.
>>153585064I like this comic's version of him, yes
>>153592469Recurring villains are rare (maybe Spectrus or Mad Ducktor).Plus, modern Paperinik (in Italy) is returned to be less superhero and more avenger.
>>153593685>SpectrusIsn't he from that one mega-crossover of every disney comic character where they hunt some magical zodiac or whatever it was?
>>153594512yes.
I am once again asking for the Pikappa side stories
>>153596320Damn she gets to bang Donald?
>>153594512>>153594584>SpectrusPhantom Blot's an old Mickey Mouse comics regular, actually.
>>153597074No, she's for native American D.
>>153597558Phantom Blot's Italian name is Macchia Nera(a pretty literal translation).Spectrus is >pic related
>>153597764>(a pretty literal translation).Eh, surely "Macchia Fantasma" or something would be more literal? The changing of the "Phantom" to "Black" is why Italian Disney stuff has been able to backport their name into the english "Blackspot" sometimes to use as a real name for him- Signore Blackspot, Macchia Nera
>>153597734donald is an honorary indian
I always wondered why Disney made up Darkwing Duck when PK already existed. there's a lot of overlap with the Phantom and Shadow pulp influences. maybe "real" Disney didn't even know what the Italians were doing with their comics
>>153597839Yes, Macchia Fantasma is more literal.
>>153598005>maybe "real" Disney didn't even know what the Italians were doing with their comicsmore or less this. egmont is pretty much completely shielded from corporate disney.
>>153598005> maybe "real" Disney didn't even know what the Italians were doing with their comicsThis. Disney USA not really cared about licensed comics from foreign countries (aside from special case like the "scandal"about the story with Mickey' marriage.)
>>153598046Italian Disney stuff wasn't Egmont. But yes, by and large, the comics worldwide were done with minimal Disney involvement. The odds Tad Stone and the Ducktales team knew about the Duck Avenger are minimal, and even if they did, the odds they'd want to behold themselves to these foreign comics in a foreign language instead of just getting to do what they wanted are dubious.
>>153598070I do like the hidden worldbuilding of St. Canard being implied to be in Canada, somewhere roughly north of Duckburg.
>>153598005The original plan was to make Donald a James Bond parody, Double-O-Duck. I think Stones just didn't want to put Donald in a soulless parody and so we got Darkwing. That said, it did come to pass later in comics as DoubleDuck (because Fleming owns the 007 license).
>>153598005Ultimately they did not know what was going in the Italian comics world, and PKNA was not a thing yet. If they did know they might have intervened and made it into a PK show, because they did try to make him a thing in the 2000s when they did find out Actually it is surprising they did not intervene and make Donald be Darkwing, since they directly made input for DA shows at the time to have Rescue Rangers star Chip n Dale and Talespin have Jungle Book characters. Startling then that they made a new original concept of an egotistical, sarcastic duck hero directly tied to Ducktales and none of them said to make him Donald
>>153598338>>153598639Double-O-Duck was never Donald, they were just doing the usual thing of every duck looking like Donald. It started as a spinoff of a Ducktales episode where Launchpad was the one being the spy, but then they made a new character to be the spy and had Launchpad as the sidekick; and then evolved the concept from spy parody to pulp adventure and superhero parody- Darkwing is basically The Shadow, visually.
>>153598127>in CanadaIt does?
>>153599565>Drake Mallard>Kent AllardThey even knew the deep Shadow lore about the Shadow's actual identity outside of Orson Welles
>>153600288Huh, neat
>>153584936We'd be willing to accept it if Disney made it more mainstream here. Paperinik is only known here through one almost forgotten video game 20+ years ago because that's the only thing Disney has shown us. My biggest exposure to him was through here.
>>153600049yeah there's a few episodes where they reference real life canadian locations like the northwest territories, I forget exactly which since it's been so long
>>153584767Is he like.A paper-based hero or something?Is paper his gimmick?
>>153599565I always thought it was weird how they tried multiple times to give Launchpad his own show and then backed away from it. First TaleSpin turned into a period piece with Jungle Book characters, then they back off of making him the MC of the next series, despite it basically having been halfway set-up by a DuckTales episode.
>>153600762No, just a case of weird translation
>>153600762Donald is known as "Paolo Paperino" in Italy.
>>153600762his power is he's strong enough to puch through wet newspaper
>>153584767>Thought I saw ducktits in the thumbnail.
>>153600762It's a portmanteau of Donald's Italian name, Paperino, and the anti-hero Diabolik
>>153600862the amerikan pig dogs don't know about Diabolik
>>153600815Launchpad simply isn't the kind of character who can hold a show on his own. He's designed to bounce off another character, be it Scrooge, Donald, or Darkwing.
>>153600913I know MST3K ended its original run riffing his live-action movie.
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>>153600913Hating Americans in a Donald Duck thread is certainly a choice
>>153601410american disney has spent the past 30 or 40 years making worldwide disney comics worse so it's not unfounded
>>153601462>american disney has spent the past 30 or 40 years making worldwide disney comics worseWas Don Rosa’s works really that bad?
>>153601542Don Rosa's works were made for Egmont in Europe, anon. They specifically AREN't American Disney, because he did a couple stories with them and hated it
Sex with Lyla.
>>153600951Surely a higher quality version exists?>>153601862Anon no think of the timestream or something.
>>153601929>Surely a higher quality version exists?if anon can tell me what story it's from I can probably quickly get a better screenshot
>>153600913yeah but the /co/ nerds know MST3K
>>153601410the joke was almost nobody knows diabolik, sorry america anon ;_;
>>153601987Not sure, but I think it might be from Topolino 3194.
>>153602839looking for it. meanwhile here's a modern italian take on rosa's depiction of goldie. just find it interesting
>>153602839ok it was actually 3072. ere you go, anon
>>153603088Based. Could we get a storytime if it's translated?
>>153603169I don't have it translated, sorry, anon, I just have a lot of scans of the Italian comics.Tell you what though. Years ago I did a scanlation of this other Fantomius story, since it was mostly textless on account of the silent movie gimmick. I might as well post it now. Pardon some clunkiness in writing etc, I'd do some things better nowadays.
>>153603242I used the official localised name of Fantomius in English, Fantomallard, as you might've noticed. Also redrew text etc. It's not the best, but was basically me working from nostalgia- it's what the translations of disney comics I grew up with used to do.
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>>153603395loved it man. the silent movie style is such a neat idea.>>153603242I quite like what they called him in danish, Fabuland, basically 'fabled duck', echoing the -land ending a lot of fancy posh surnames have.
>>153603308Bro is smooth as fuck>>153603326Surprised she wasn't left with heart eyes from an implied kiss.
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At least Paperinik and Duck Avenger are cool sounding names.In Spanish, it was most commonly localized as Superpato (i.e. Superduck), though apparently Patomas (a play on Pato + Fantomas) was also used.
>>153584767His name is Superkwęk, you heathen...
>>153607071Silence, pierogi
>>153584767I'm italian and only just recently I realized that his superhero name is a combination of papero/Paperino ("duck"/his italian name) and Diabolik (an old long-running italian comic book about a master thief who uses all sorts of tricks and gadgets, Paperinik started as a parody of him)so maybe a good english version of his name could have been DiaboliduckTho I guess Duck Avenger works too because he was indeed intended to be an avenger, he called himself "Paperinik the Devilish Avenger"
>>153608063For a long time I thought it was meant to be a play on “paper and ink”Because comics
I tried a few but I'm not a fan of Italian duck&mouse stories, often most of the OC are tall and humans and overdesigned, making the originals character look alien in their own universe.
>>153607071Powerduck is better than all the other names honestly, the fuck is a paperink?
>>153608879Yeah the italian name absolutely doesn't work if kept unchanged in other languages. For example I don't like Duck Avenger that much but it's still a better option
>>153608928The Finnish name Taikaviitta (Magic Cloak) is kinda shit.
>>153608879Swedish has him as Steel-Donald(Stål-Kalle), referencing Superman, who goes by The Steel-Man(Stålmannen).
>>153608954Thats kind of cool but it doesnt make sense considering hes more like batman and ironman combined
>>153609030The translators were probably just lazy, a lot of early Donald Duck character names are weird in swedish.Also, the Swedish translation for Batman used to be Läderlappen, which translates to The Leather Patch, but which also refers to the Vespertilionidae bat family. This was likely dropped in BTAS onwards because squeezing in four syllables in place of two was too cumbersome.He's just Batman now.
>>153609030>batman and ironman combinedNo, he’s broke and has only one technologically advanced gadget
>>153609079Lmao translations are funny as hell, a shame they dont do that kind of shitposting anymore at least in most places i think
>>153609101The talking ai feels very ironman to me even if he had a butler before it was an AI, the secret identity too as well as the lair and the car , probably something closer but its what i see
>>153600840I assume paperino is italian for duck.
>>153609134>The talking ai feels very ironman to me That’s more like Spider-Man 2099>>153609139No, just a silly name
>>153608954>>153609030Eeryone knows Super Goof is the true Superman analogue here.
>>153603242I to this day do not know who Fantomius is. I usually see the Topolino characters playing other roles in the other era stories but he looks like no one I am aware of Is this just some OC?
>>153608879Polish version has that nice upmh - SuperQuack
>>153609145Huh, I assumed it was like how Mickey is called Topolino.So does Paperino just not mean anything? Would the English equivalent be something like Paolo Whateverino?
>>153609145fair enough thats probably more specific im generalizing too much i think
>>153600913https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVfyPK2tMvE
>>153608684And then you get the true oddities like Eega Beeva who somehow eclipse the Disney cast in popularity.
>>153609172Like that, as name derived from a real world
>>153603313>Lon Chaney cameoNice
>>153603395I liked it! Redrawing the text must've been a real bitch
>>153609101gyro gearloose provides him with a fuckton of crazy gadgets, his car is modified like a james bond car with ejector seats, amphibious paddles, sometimes it can fly, in one story it has a fireproof shieldI remember one time he used a solid moonlight flashlight to walk in the air
>>153609236For free
>>153609172"papero" means duck, the other guy replying to you is a retard
>>153609364No, you are the retard
>>153609165Yes. Fantomius initially was just mentioned in Paperinik stories until the 2000s where he became a full character with his spinoff. >>153609172It mean "little duck". Similarly, Topolino mean "little mouse".
>>153609079More Swedish nonsense:Scrooge McDuck is Joakim von Anka, making him seem German instead of Scottish.Gyro Gearloose lost his last name and is now Oppfinnar-Jocke(Inventor-Jocke). Jocke is a name, but also a short version of Joakim. A bit redundant.
>>153609134The run where he has the supertech shield and the ai assistant (pkna) is a specific self-contained series, the baseline Paperinik is less advanced (although, exactly how powerful his stuff is varies from story to story, sometimes he has a net shooter and spring loaded boots other times he has a paralyzing ray and rocket boots, stuff like that)People sometimes look at the pkna version and assume "oh, that's the italian superhero Donald", but the truth is that the Paperinik New Adventures aren't so "new" by now, they ended a long time ago while the regular Paperinik stories where he operates from a small hideout under his home instead of a massive futuristic skyscraper are still being made
>>153609165>>153609441fantomius since the very first paperinik story is who paperinik is based on>>153609522it makes sense, actually. the "scottish rich guy" trope is very american, not really understood in europe. whereas in denmark and sweden the rich german with an upturned nose trope was more common at the time.
ah, here it is, with the moonbeam. one of my favorite old paperiniks.https://secondhandscanlations.tumblr.com/post/179260854942/scanlation-paperinik-lord-of-the-moonbeamtranslation is kinda crummy, though. not sure if it's worth storytiming like that.
>>153609582wait, reading it over it's not the one I remember, I must have mixed them up. I could have sworn it was the one with the moonbeam. oh well.
>>153609441>Even their official names are calling them manletsDonald and Mickey bros….
>>153609530Yeah its a shame its over i really liked it , the evronians and uno(the ai assistant, his name in french ) were really neat characters, also liked layla instead of using daisy, the one story where theres the giant gardening robot is incredible in particular
>>153609771it was surprisingly popular so it's a bit strange they just stopped it.
>>153609852maybe they ran out of ideas, though i feel like its only recently that picsou magazine and its counterparts and related content have been not very good, maybe they thought it was too serious or something, i got no clue
>>153609563It’s because of the cultural status of Andrew Carnegie, who Scrooge is largely modeled off of alongside the obvious Ebenezer Scrooge reference. That figure is not prominent outside America so the traits get lost in European adaptions, especially the aspect influenced by Carnegie of being disillusioned with his wealth and seeking other things in his life. Why also American adaptions of Scrooge simply are nicer and more sympathetic than Euroscrooge who is just typical mean rich guy
>>153609852Oh they didn't stop it completely, it had various sequels and reboots and additional one-off stories set in that continuity since then (and by "then" I mean fucking 2001, that's when the original run ended), of varying quality and success. It's also sometimes referenced in regular stories because it's so belovedIt didn't became a standard thing because it's such a departure from both the usual laid-back and sillier world of the regular stories, and because it's intended to have a stronger continuity where every character should have a coherent and consistent narrative arc and progression across the series, where usually in the regular stories the authors just make up any self-contained plot they want and reuse characters or make up new ones liberally (especially enemies that come out of nowhere and then disappear after they are defeated.)the whole pkna experiment was based on the premise "let's pretend we're american supehero authors", but they aren't ACTUALLY american superhero authors. Personally, I think they could have kept it up and continued to make stories in that style (not even necessarily in the pkna world), but to do that they would have needed to reorganize the way they make comics, and someone somewhere decided it wasn't worth it, maybe the higher ups didn't think it was a good idea or the authors didn't feel like it could continue for long or something like that.
>>153610350i read a bit of the newer powerduck stories after the original run ended but they felt different , not bad but not as good really
As a child I thought the concept of turning Donald Duck into a genuine superhero comic was kind of bizarre.
>>153587974In sweden he's just called stål-kalle (steel donald), superman is known as stålmannen here so it's a shamelessly uncreative reference
>>153589805>Duck editsScandinavia has a shitload of demented edits. The finnish are the best of course, but the other aren't bad. >"And you can keep your fucking portrait of hitler!"
>>153610490Goofy being an absolute pussy magnet in all universes but one wasn't odd though?
>>153610405yeah i don't exactly remember how the various sequels worked but some were hated because of how bad they were, instead of having a similar narrative style they instead used the same characters and concepts but with the more kid friendly and less edgy style of standard stories.moving away from specifically paperinik, generally italian disney comics have become much more sanitized and censored in recent years, for example there can't be weapons or violence against animals and reprinted stories are edited to fit, so you have pete surrendering to cops who are just pointing their fingers at him and "fish photography competitions" replacing fishing competitions
>>153609364>>153609441Actually, "papero" means specifically "duckling". The correct translation of "duck" was "anatra"... Until Disney comics changed the day-by-day use of the word.
>>153584767I prefer the old version, feels a lot more grounded.Don't really see the need to turn him into a marvel tier superhero.
>>153611477Nah, the Marvel-like stuff is cool
>>153611380>>153609441>>153609139Yeah from what I'm told it's slightly weirder. I think "papero" is something a bit more like "gander", right? A kinda more generalised name for all these "duck-like waterfowl". But Donald was localised as "Paolo Paperino" (and incidentally, the "Paolo" bit is basically unused, it's basically just a bit of trivia, everyone just uses "Paperino") and then everything spun from that- Scrooge is Paperone, Daisy is Paperina, Fethry is Paperoga, Duckburg is Paperopoli, the newspaper Scrooge has is Papersera, etc. It just became stock to incorporate "paper-" into anything in this setting. Hence, Paperinik, Paperino and Diabolik mixed.But the more proper term for duck is "anatra", making it feel very odd but also I think kinda making it feel like the "papero" term becomes a bit more exclusive to Disney Ducks.
>>153612356In the same logic, incidentally, there's evidence in some very early children's book etc that Mickey's supposed to be "Micchi Topolino", but everyone's always only used the "Topolino" part.>>153609165>>153609441>>153609563In the Duck Avenger's first story, Donald accidentally comes into possession of an old delapidated house. Exploring it, he learns it was the home of old-timey phantom thief, Fantomius. We don't see him- we just see him mentioned as Donald discovers his diary and one of his suits, and dons it to become Paperinik/Duck Avenger.In his second story, one of the plot elements is a costume party. You'll have to forgive me, I'm going more by memory- but basically both Donald and Gladstone wear Fantomius disguises, and so we get what's technically our first look at how he looked- it's basically the Duck Avenger but with a full mask on the head and no Donald sailor hat. We also get the mention that he had a partner, Dolly Paprika, as Daisy dresses as her. I'll add an image of a panel from this story.And then that was it for decades. The stories focused on Donald as the Duck Avenger instead, and these small tidbits of info on Fantomius were left as just background lore, to be forgotten. In the late 90s I know Egmont did some stories with an old man Fantomius meeting the Duck Avenger, but even those ended up forgotten.Then in the late 2000s or early 2010s, writer Marco Gervasio did a story where Donald time travelled and met Fantomius at his prime, and we finally got a proper look at the character; and from there that started spinning out into a series of stories set in the past and exploring this character and the setting. They're fun kids' heist adventures and are now one of the main recurring series of stories in Topolino.
>>153612412In English, incidentally, there's no stories of this character. But IDW tried translating PKNA (it only managed three issues iirc?), and to prepare for that first, they localised and finally did an english version of the Duck Avenger's debut story, the one from all the way back in the 1960s. Which as you'll remember namedrops Fantomius, letting us know that now, officially, in English, the character is Fantomallard.
>>153596320You made me very happy with this
>>153611277The Finnish edits are full of so many inside jokes about the black metal scene that they're impossible to translate lol
>>153611477Always like when they call back to this panel
>>153612425Disney Adventures also tried a comic adaptation of its own, which roughly followed the PKNA storyline with Donald being summoned and supplied by Ludwig von Drake to recover a crucial world-ending device from the Evronians. It didn't really take.
>>153612356Funny how to an English speaker it would seem like they just decided to name the Disney Ducks around paper for some reason.
>>153609159Too bad Mickey doesn't have a big superhero persona like Donald and Goofy.
>>153613476Yeah. The biggest legacy that one has is that it's where the name Duck Avenger was created- so he was DA, like Disney Adventures. Also the story was drawn by Steven Butler, more known by most here for his Archie Sonic work.
Is PKNE still alive?
>>153613529Whenever this guy shows up things get weird enough anyway.
>>153613104Kinda surprised Daisy is taking it so well that a painting is groping and fondling her man.
>>153614384based Eega Beeva>>153614331yeah. In fact, this year is like the 30th anniversary of PKNA iirc, and they're doing more PK stuff to celebrate.
>>153613529Which is funny because the Phantom Blot has steadily become over time a supervillain worthy of actual superhero stories, while Paperinik doesn't really have any serious nemesis
>>153614767They had one in the late 2000s and early 2010s in the form of the Mad Ducktor, the evil copy of Gyro. But they seem to have stopped using him
>>153614384i never noticed his feet god those are nasty looking feet, what is this fucker even supposed to be an alien?
>>153615080highly evolved human from thousands of years in the future
>>153615128And also considers moth balls to be a delicacy.
>>153614384always hated this little freak
>>153614767>no nemesisYou dare minimize ANGUS FANGUS?
>>153615128more like thousands of mutations due to asbestos, microplastics, uranium ,and 5g radiation, if my great^30 grandchildren look like that i hope they get aborted
>>153614767his real nemesis is society
>>153584806>running a superhero TTRPG game for my group in the next month or two sometime>Not!Raider is already one of my planned villainsProbably gonna try to squeeze Trauma in somewhere too because he was a fun villain too.
>>153613697I feel like Duck Avenger was only picked to match the initials of Disney Adventures, and it ended up sticking because they couldn't think of anything better to call him.
>>153615534Yes anon, that's what I was saying. It's a play on Dark Avenger, like Batman, but was specifically chosen to match the initials of the magazine; he even had "DA" in his belt, in that first story. It stuck just because it works well enough, even as everything else about that push got intentionally ignored.
>>153613529Does he need one? Mickey is pretty much a straight up Pulp Hero in certain stories, he doesn't need a cape, just a cool ass trench coat.Still, Mickey as a more traditional super hero would be kinda cool.>>153614384This is such a European looking design but he was actually created by an American iirc
>>153613529The fact he's a pulp detective in the middle of superheroes ended up becoming an intentional comedic aspect
>>153615615Wasn't there a major crossover that kinda ribbed at that a bit with all the superhero guys, Mickey ends up being the one to make the biggest leads in finding and stopping the bad guys?And then all of them getting saved by Scrooge McDuck towards the end iirc
>>153615640Yes, there was a whole line of stories like that that Boom translated from the Italian in the 2000s, Ultraheroes. Arguably a bad choice of story- the notion of these characters being superheroes wasn't really cemented in the US, and they choose to just translate the story where the point is focusing on the history of that concept
>>153615664Ah right that was it. Admittedly I didn't read the whole thing, the source I was reading them on only had the first half or so(up to Paperinik fighting the Phantom Blot in the sewers) and I read a quick synopsis of the rest of it.
>>153587974Not really. The reason why he's called Paperinik is because originally the character started as a parody of Diabolik, with Donald going around stealing shit from Scrooge and enacting revenge plans for past mistreatment.It was only after the character was handed to a number of authors over time who knew nothing about his origins that Paperinik started fighting crime for some reason, moving from an anti-hero to a standard superhero."Duck Avenger" is because of that.
>>153615404>big bruiser with psychic powers that let him use your worst fear against you>name TraumaPure ‘90s kino.
>>153615837I try to rename villains I rip off so it's not so obvious(even though I'm confident no one in my group has ever heard of PK before), but honestly Trauma is just such a bullseye of a name I'm probably going to leave it untouched, maybe toss a few more psychic powers on for good measure(like making a "mental blind spot" around himself so people can't see him). One PC is a robot so just DMing him that there's this big brick shithouse of a guy standing in the middle of the room that no one else is seeing or having any reaction to is going to be funny.
Pkna2 sucked so much compared to the first PK.
>>153612509God bless that one author who was obsessed with Lyla. He totally knew what he was doing.
>>153614384el goblino...
>>153584767>Loved these as a kid>They only ever translated and published a handful of them in finnishI should look up and read the rest of them in english someday
>>153584835>>153585366>Italian finds disney comics cringeYou don't deserve your own stuff man. If all the Topolino/Paperino/Bullshitino variants were an American thing, we'd have twenty years worth of generals here.
>>153616040Ho paura che questa volta faccia sul serio. E quendo ci si mette, sa davvero scavare nel fango!I'm afraid that this time he's serious. And when he gets going, he really knows how to dig into the mud!What issue was this anyway?
>>153618741>Fango=MudTILWaitPardon if I'm a retarded newfag but is Angus Fangus' name literally "muckracker" in Italian?
>>153618336Cope
>Man gets shot with an alien weapon that disrupts thought and emotion>Becomes a childish narcissistic imbecile obsessed with a cartoon mascot and starts wearing a red and blue striped shirtTHE PROPHECYSomehow, in 1990s Italy, they knew
>>153620488Chir-chan but with a gigachad body?
>>153584767Are Ducks the Euro equivalent of hedgehog autism?
>>153620520No, Ducks are enjoyed by normies all over Europe. Hedgehog autims is only for a select few maladjusted individuals
>>153609185eega beeva is apparently an american creation that lasted for a while, but most of the stories definitely have that Eurocomic flare where he steals the show and mickey is only there to put the brand inthe product
>>153618741It was one of the summer specials, don't remember which one>>153619041Angus is a somewhat regular name and "Fangus" is like having his surname be "Dirtus", a play on corrupt journalists digging up dirt on people.
wakk
>>153618238huh? I thought finngolia was well within the duck-sphere, surprised they didn't translate it.
>>153620488>>153620498Chris-chan's quest for 100% pure sapphic virgin females didn't just begin yesterday.
>>153614404Ladies want their man to be desired by other ladies, it makes them happier to know that they have what others crave.
>>153613529I guess the closest we could get to a superhero Mickey would be in the Darkenblot story. Got himself a Rocketeer style pilot outfit and a jetpack which works with the pulp hero detective angle.
>>153584767I would totally fuck him up the ass
Seriously thought he had rockin titties from the catalogue thumbnail.
>>153622153lay off the porn for a few months
>>153613104I would totally fuck both of them up the ass
>>153616012PKNA2 is so boring I couldn't finish it. It's just Paperinik dealing with mundane shit while Ducklair is a vague asshole for issues on end.
>>153616040I'm surprised they never delved into other android Timecops for a change of pace besides the one issue. Deckard was pretty interesting for the most part. It would have been a fun side story to have maybe one of the droids seen in Geena's uprising.>>153621998Makes sense?
>>153622161Nigga that's how you get people gooning to ducks in the first place.
>>153622215Yeah I had the same complaints, after giving us alien invasions time travel interdimensional bullshit cyborgs and cyberspace threats and all manner of conspiracies and villains with a very wide variety of stuff going on, who thought that it was a good idea to de-power PK and give him a very mundane job while dealing with relatively mundane threats (there's a whole episode where the villain is a hobo with very mild mind reading powers)?Meanwhile Ducklair is all like>everything is going according to plan>what plan? wait another twenty issuesbut in reality nothing ever happened.
>>153608954Danish does that one better by having him be Stålanden(The Steel Duck), which plays directly on the "Man of Steel" name, which in danish is Stålmanden(The Steel Man).>>153609030I assume it's because Superman was significantly wider known over here than Batman at the time. Batman mostly started to be known with the movies and BtAS.
>>153608954>>153622438We call him Taikaviitta (Magic Cape) in Finnish, for reasons God alone knows
>>153622259At least the covers were kino
>>153622259So basically, PK2 was trying to mash up the two different versions of Donald's alter-ego (small-town vigilante and space-trotting superhero) and it just didn't work at all. Sounds about right?
>>153622664My guess is that they wanted to go for a more down to earth series of stories with the theme of "Duckburg is Metropolis" and "Ducklair is Lex Luthor", but without any of the space creatures and superpower stuff.Like seriously, the very first episode has Uno being killed off screen. What the fuck?
>>153611277never stop the madness
>>153622585Like I have to wonder how our translators landed on that name. Varjoankka (Shadow Duck) was right there but that one ended up being used for Darkwing Duck. I've never really minded the name that much but it is a bit weird.
>>153614404Because seeing her boyfriend being groped is hot and she gets off to Donald torment
>>153623083Plöts sprölölö
>>153622585>>153623135Possibly a reference to Mandrake the Magician, known to the Finnish race as Taika-Jim?
>>153611277Who remembers Mongo Från Yttre Rymden? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cdPTd0jko8
>>153587974>In Poland he's called "KWANTOMAS"which sounds like phantomas.
>>153591066He's an everyday man. He's just like me.
>>153612412
>>153587974In Finland he's called "Taikaviitta", "Magic Cape".
>>153624169Spawn parody?
>>153599565My favorite is Maui Mallard from Disney's video games back in the day. The detective/ninja is a role Donald plays in a movie. Despite taking place in Hawaii thematically the game is almost like a halloween-themed game where Donald fights zombie ducks in the land of the dead and ghosts in sunken pirate ships.
>>153624218Eh, more just general 90s/early 00s comic flair.
>>153584767I too like spaghetti
>>153623233Very likely. At least Fantomious got a pretty good translation with Fantom Ankka (Fantom Duck)
>>153622611>business secretary actually acts a a corporate enforcer by being a literal mercenary carrying out black-ops hostage situations on behalf of her employer>also an exhibitionistBirgit really should have appeared more.
>>153624637>also an exhibitionistLooks pretty well-dressed to me
>>153624667Toes?
>>153624169This would look so much better without a shitty CG background
>>153624669Right after that mission she strips prior to meeting with Everett. A different character directly calls her an exhibitionist for having a habit of doing it. In the PK reboot? or whichever version not storytimed here she's given a whole page of stepping out of a shower for the audience and in a different story rips off her dress to reveal she's going commando as in wearing body armor
>>153624777Filtered
>>153624777It's a fan edit.
>>153624786Nice desu
>>153624789It's not even actual lightning, it's some sort of entry level 90s cg effect. I was there and IT SUCKED.>>153624801See? I was right.
>>153624242Except Disney didn't think the game would sell with Donald's name in it, so they made the developers strike all mention of his name from the title and act like he's a total OC.
>>153624681Yeah? She doesn't have duck feet
>>153625577she actually did originally, if I remember right
https://importantbusinessdinosaur.tumblr.com/post/813250595324592128https://importantbusinessdinosaur.tumblr.com/post/807760892914794496https://patemi-pk.tumblr.com/post/814978108610543616/giada-perissinotto-2026Some good Geena and Lyla art.
I still like PK2, though I acknowledge that it falls far short in scope and color of its adventures, and that Everett is completely out of whack with his previous characterization But also Korinna is really really really really really cute so she kinda plays me like a fiddle
>>153621097Titduck
>>153612412Michelino Topolino and Paolino Paperino specifically.Mickey (Little)Mouse and Pauly (Little) Duck(ling).
>>153627454>But also Korinna is really really really really really cute so she kinda plays me like a fiddleI don't recall making this post, but somehow it's here. Too bad she has no art to speak of outside the Alien parody and bikini pic or two.
>>153615596>>153615615Agreed, plus Mickey, who is usually super-competent, being out of his depth when involved in superhero shenanigans is fun
>>153618238Learn Italian. It's easy and will give you access to about 67% of the planet's Disney comics production
>>153627454>and that Everett is completely out of whack with his previous characterizationYeah, what the heck was that about.I mean I could understand if he and PK got on bad terms after the latter constantly interfered with his plans and the guy decided that he had enough, but he's an asshole from the very first episode for no reason.
>>153625873She did. It was not always evident but most early issues had her with them. This issue was the first to show her without either pants or shoes, and she still had duck feet then, but not duck legs.They went with full human legs and feet pretty soon after, I believe.
>>153628131It does look kind of weird for her to have human legs but duck feet.
>>153627933>he's an asshole from the very first episode for no reason.He's dealing with two emotionally stunted daughters please understand
>>153625495Thats not the reason. Disney demanded he's not named Donald Duck because in the game Donald Duck shoots with a pistol which is too naughty for Disney. Even when its a bug gun that shoots slimeballs. So when its not Donald Duck directly but Donald Duck playing a role of a different character, some of the spooky content and the bug pistol got loopholed through Disney's inner censorship.
>>153626651Yare Yare DazeYou made me dig up my thousand year old unused tumblr account to go digging for Lyla pics like the starved dog I am
>>153629274By the first episode he wasn't even dealing with that, he had just returned to the city and had yet to meet either of them
>>153629594I know the former artist has alt accounts which may be higher but you'd basically have to go through their gallery because of poor tagging. At least ducks are still relatively popular there.
I guess that's good to hear but yes I have not enjoyed the process of the search
>>153630096I would recommend and image expansion extension, sometimes helps.>do it for her
>>153627933Like I said I don't dislike the take on the character in a vacuum, it's just a problem when you try to reconcile Everett the regular genius with some megalomaniacal tendencies he's working on that was happy to help One try to become more like a real human bean, and Everett the alien on the run from his crazy wife who will stop at no moral red line to find his daughters and callously deleted One
>>153631280>Everett the alien on the run from his crazy wife who will stop at no moral red line to find his daughters and callously deleted OneI prefer this version. It's more compelling.
>>153631600>filename
>That one time Korinna hitchhiked with the Simpsons>And the artist made sure to draw her whale tail
why is catalog so fast damn
>>153631827The guy was watched his daughter get changed while having a conversation of his wife, her mother. Then more or less took her out on a date. Juniper reading his mind would explain some of her conduct towards him.
>>153633300HE TURNED AROUND BEFORE SHE TOOK ANYTHING OFF
>>153630096>>153630254Fug, poor GeenaI know she went over the line but it still makes me sad
>>153584936In the comics at least Donald is meant to be an everyman with some issues.
>>153597558>Phantom BlotRemember when he was just a guy in a cloak.
>>153634144Yes and he was fucking amazing
>>153623935>Kwabotynkek
>>153613529There was that one time he got that Red Wasp costume, which is weird because Goofy also got one when Red Wasp and Super Goof had appeared in stories together.
>>153634378I think this was a really long, like 3 part story? And they went to space at some point? The villains were regular crooks and still had goddamn rockets and their method of getting rid of the heroes was shooting them into space, lmao
>>153633300To be fair he turned around first, and he wasn't talking to her he was monologuing while spying on her from behind a special mirror as she started to cha- oh.
>>153634190I still remember that one episode where the villain used some sort of hypnotic suggestion on Mickey to frame him repeatedly for crimes he didn't actually commit, and how the guy dynamically switched his costume from black to pure white to become invisible when on the backdrop of the snow
>>153634602Yeah, that's the Blot's Double Mystery.
>>153634515Dangerous Dan and Idgit the Midget were common criminals that were usually involved in all kinds of weird shit.
>>153634788I remember one of them in Finnish was called Sikari-Sakari (Cigar Zach)
>>153612509>>153621097WOOO OOOH
>>153584767fucking stupid name though. Nothing sounds badass in Italian
>>153635422Not really
>"Want to see something REALLY fun?"And then she flashed the little boy she was saying this to
>>153624192Vittu Sattanna
>>153633405>>153634577>wanted his daughters all for himself>sweating profuselyThe signs were there.
>>153634309>Kek What A Bird
>>153635646Did she really?
>>153634190>>153634602I was scared of the Black Phantom when I was a child. I legitimately thought he could appear out of the darkness of the night anytime due to his black as coal costume. I believed that unlike other comicbook villians, he could murder me and get away with it. The fact that he always escaped Chief O'Hara or got out of jail pretty quickly was what made him a formidable foe of Mickey and Donald.I remember him once threatening an entire City dam with a tiny sponge that could drained the whole basin. Let me tell You, these were some good comicbooks.>worked
>>153635768Yeah
>>153635805He has amazing stealth skills, in his first appearance he sneaks into the same taxi Mickey gets on and neither he or the driver notice
>>153635833May I see it?
Is there any Phantom Blot in Paperinik where PK is put in the death traps Mickey is usually put in for his stories?
>>153635422In poland Donald's alter ego is called Super-Kwęk which means super-*duck noise*.Additionally - every character has some sort of a variation of the duck noise in their names, as well as the Town names, institutions, etc.Scrudge McDuck is called "Sknerus McKwacz" which translates to Cheapskate Mc*duck noise*Scrooge's opponent - the Vesuvian Witch is called "Magika de Czar" - translated: Magic'a de Spell>dimesIt's especially this variations of educksculation of this Duckworld that makes the translated world 1000% better than the original English version which is devoted of any funny/satirical/self-referent world building.I came to understand, that we Europeans posess a trait of jokes only know to us and our own countrymen, while Americans, have no such things in their culture at all. Their language is just plain communicative tool, while we have many ways of calling one noun, funny ones and creative ones too.It's almost as if we (I believe some poles can call themselves European too) evolved into a higher beings through our thousands of years spent on these lands, improving our way of speaking & writing while the american language has been stale or devolving for their short 200 year span of life.
>>153635840>>153635840lmaoHere he's called Fantomen, phonetically:>Phantomenand here he does turture mickey with candles,ropes and a pistol. This is no common criminal, this is a legitimate psycho/socio-path that will go as far as murder to achieve his goals. I wanted a boy's comic-book, I got Law&Order special victims unit.
>>153636063isn't the reason for the rube goldberg traps that he's too squeamish to actually see blood?
>>153624801Cavazzano was great. They knew what they were doing.
>>153636495I forgor. Possibly ?It's a great way to write these stories without making plot holes about Mickey always getting to escape his traps/being rescued in time.
>>153624801nice, however too pink for me.I'd prefer a male duck to be either portrayed on a blue sky or a dark night star-riddled one.
>>153635805I love that one story where he memory wipes the entire city with a special rain storm he created. Mickey doesn't even catch him in the end and the Blot gets to restore his status a feared criminal mastermind. Darkenblot is also a good one where he gets a Iron Monger style battlesuit.
>>153636574yeah, it isalso the only time we ever see his face I think
>>153635850I don't have the scans at hand, it was one of the summer stories. She does totally flash the little boy her robotic parts.
>>153636495He says that but he would still have to clean up the mess laterHe doesn’t want to technically be the one who kills Mickey nor see it, but is a complete sadist who wants Mickey to be tormented in his final moments
>>153637123>the only time we ever see his face I thinkNah, plenty of stories show his face.
