unironically the best comic hero
>>153584767Raider is based.
>>153584767>>153584806>tfw my country probably created the most autistic thing in the world since Sonic
unironically I have like him better then marvel superheroes. also I think Xadhoom is the right girl for him never mind daisy.
>>153584835*most awesome thingSeriously, Paperinik is great, even if it's autismal as hell. Mile-a-minute comicbook insanity. Time travelers, alien vampires, alternate dimensions, and all sorts of other crazy cosmic shit.I'm also really impressed at how likeable Xadhoom was. She's an OP anti-heroine with a major attitude problem, yet I was rooting for her all the way even though in any other comic she'd be insufferable.
>>153584767Americans will never embrace a Donald Duck that isn't just "haha angry bird talk funny".
>>153584936Let me guess, you need more?
>>153584936Because Americans love everything angry that talks funny. They constantly elect such a thing.
>>153584835If you’re talking about Duck Avenger then first, how dare you Second, not even slightly close bro
>>153585357I’m italian and just look at his shit for a second
>>153585366I did and again, what are you on about lolMy man you don’t know the meaning of autism bro
>>153585522Well, it just give me that vibe
>>153584907>the burns he got from a thank you kissHe’d never survive
>>153584835GODTALIANS AUTISM IS STRONG!
>>153584767I will always hate that americans didn't call him Phantom Duck. It was right fucking there.
>>153587974duck avenger is kinda fitting honestly, since in the original stories he mostly takes revenge for injustices done against donald.I really like one particular story where he starts using the mask as a kind of coping method for his life sucking, and donald's bad luck starts haunting paperinik too, he starts sucking at the one thing he's good at and has a little existential crisis until he figures out that what he really needs to do is help others. it's a great bit of character development for him.
>>153587974If you did that people would expect a completely different aesthetic because no one here was going to appreciate the allusion to FantomasI can agree that “Duck Avenger” probably isn’t the right name either but it feels like a closer middle ground of Euro and American superhero sensibilities and the role Donald actually plays as the hero
>>153584767Someone however long ago made a thread asking people to vote on something about Paperiniik's HQ getting destroyed, they wanted it to change and I snidely said I'd vote against that.I want to apologize for that.You might think I'm joking, but looking how things have turned out in DC and Marvel from editors and writers obsessed with preserving their idea of things instead of progressing the stories they were trusted with has made me realize how important it is for fans to have a voice in this sort of media. I don't even recall if I actually did vote or just shitposted but it's the sentiment of the thing.
>>153588126>>153588134I think people can understand the phantom thief theming, especially nowadays when Persona 5 made the cliche popular again. Duck Avenger can be the localisation of "Diabolical Avenger", which is his title. "Diabolical" applied to Donald Duck is probably way too cringe for modern audiences to appreciate anyway.
>>153586670It's not fair Birgit never stole a kiss from him.>>153587974Duck Avenger works fine, same as Darkwing Duck. If anything Darkwing is more menacing. Phantom Duck imo connotes a more ethereal gentleman thief than what Avenger is.
>>153588676I think she'd kill him even faster
>>153588676>Phantom Duck imo connotes a more ethereal gentleman thief thanDonald literally becomes paperinik by stumbling on the secret lair of an old gentleman thief called Fantomious. That is exactly what it is.
>>153587974the motivation to get at Duck Avenger is silly as hell but the name itself works perfectly, if anything it's one of the best cases of English localisations of Italian Disney concepts. Certainly better than "Dickie Duck" or "Boomer Buff"
>>153589357yes but does this carry through in Donald's design and action style? certainly not in the PKNA comics, though I've never read the older interations
>>153589357He stops being a gentleman thief like three stories in. Hell, he was never one to begin- it's notable that while he's using the suit of one, who's even named accordingly as "Fantomius", Donald's "Paperinik", after Diabolik, who was a thief but a much more openly cruel and violent one, certainly not the "Gentleman" archetype; and his motivation was not to steal or rob but to fuck with Scrooge and punish him for treating him like shit. Most of the history of this character is moreso as a bit of a gag "what if Donald Duck was Adam West Batman", so a name that focuses on that makes sense.>>153589637Most of the stories of his normal iteration are still fairly straightfowards superheroics, just cartoony and comedic.
>>153589637Like I said, the original comics mostly have him enact some kind of vigilante justice on behalf of civilian donald. although he pivots more towards genuine heroism later on.PKNA is a lot more americanized, with all the weird interdimensional alien stuff.
>>153589514>Boomer BuffMan, do I wanna punch that ugly retard
>>153589734"later on" is really overselling it, anon. It's near instant, they realised that once the catharsis of Donald getting to fuck over someone else rather than being the one getting fucked over was done, the character needed softening. It's a small handful of stories before he's instead focusing on fighting the Beagle Boys and stopping random thieves
>>153589747I like him as a concept and I even like his stories often, both for himself but also how they play Donald and Gyro as friends. His design is a bit too much for me though, the result of Mastantuono's Disney style being really exaggerated; and the name "Boomer Buff" feels wrong to me
>>153587974Remember the brief period where he was being called "PK" in America?
>>153589347I fucking love seeing Duck comic edits. Are there any decent ones with the Ducklair sisters?>>153589357What Donald stumbles on and how/why he uses the suit are two different things. Think Terry stealing the suit in Batman Beyond. He added his own sense of style rather than live up to Bruce's idea of Batman.
>>153589783It's really weird that Duck Avenger actually stuck considering it was part of a failed project. I guess people just enjoyed the name regardless
>>153589755I mean the really early stories he's more or less a villain, yes. they course correct that fast.but then there's a fairly long period where there's more ambiguous stories, he still fucks with people who wronged him as donald, but more in a way that actually exposes them instead of it just being petty revenge. I think one of my favorites is where he plays scrooge and ruckerduck off of each other to make them expose each others underhanded business tactics.it's not until the 90's where we really start to see pure-heroic stories with clearly defined villains, and of course PKNA itself.
>>153589805I didn't even remember that it was a shitpost edit that I saved until you pointed it out just nowI'm much more of a latecomer to the series so I haven't found much
>>153589783I remember because that period was the Star Wars prequels of Duck Avenger and it's fucking infamous with fans
What's wrong with PK?
Imagine Donald’s bulge in that skintight suit
>>153590079There was an attempt at making PKNA an international brand but they thought Americans would find it hard to accept the idea of Duck Avenger since it didn't have the 40 years history it had in Italy. So they rebooted the origin story to make it happen at the same time as the new stuff (Evronians and whatnot) and made it so PK was flat out the superhero name instead of it being short for Paperinik (and they also went about it in a really corny way, they had him choose that name because it's the first two digits on the shield's serial number). Not only did the reboot piss off fans of the main continuity, which again, was technically 40 years of comic book history, but the stories of this reboot were deemed much lower quality and only got worse. You can find some Ken Penders tier shlock in the reboot pages and a couple good stories so at least it has some entertainment value.
>>153589912They pop up in all sorts of places it seems.
>>153584767Why do Nordics love this Batduck so much
>>153588676If anything Darkwing existing already is the main reason PK is not a think in America
>>153584767Does Classic Paperinik even have a proper rogues gallery outside of Magica and Beagle Boys? I remember that he has some recurring super villains but majority of them are just one off villains.
>>153585064I like this comic's version of him, yes
>>153592469Recurring villains are rare (maybe Spectrus or Mad Ducktor).Plus, modern Paperinik (in Italy) is returned to be less superhero and more avenger.
>>153593685>SpectrusIsn't he from that one mega-crossover of every disney comic character where they hunt some magical zodiac or whatever it was?
>>153594512yes.
I am once again asking for the Pikappa side stories
>>153596320Damn she gets to bang Donald?
>>153594512>>153594584>SpectrusPhantom Blot's an old Mickey Mouse comics regular, actually.
>>153597074No, she's for native American D.
>>153597558Phantom Blot's Italian name is Macchia Nera(a pretty literal translation).Spectrus is >pic related
>>153597764>(a pretty literal translation).Eh, surely "Macchia Fantasma" or something would be more literal? The changing of the "Phantom" to "Black" is why Italian Disney stuff has been able to backport their name into the english "Blackspot" sometimes to use as a real name for him- Signore Blackspot, Macchia Nera
>>153597734donald is an honorary indian
I always wondered why Disney made up Darkwing Duck when PK already existed. there's a lot of overlap with the Phantom and Shadow pulp influences. maybe "real" Disney didn't even know what the Italians were doing with their comics
>>153597839Yes, Macchia Fantasma is more literal.
>>153598005>maybe "real" Disney didn't even know what the Italians were doing with their comicsmore or less this. egmont is pretty much completely shielded from corporate disney.
>>153598005> maybe "real" Disney didn't even know what the Italians were doing with their comicsThis. Disney USA not really cared about licensed comics from foreign countries (aside from special case like the "scandal"about the story with Mickey' marriage.)
>>153598046Italian Disney stuff wasn't Egmont. But yes, by and large, the comics worldwide were done with minimal Disney involvement. The odds Tad Stone and the Ducktales team knew about the Duck Avenger are minimal, and even if they did, the odds they'd want to behold themselves to these foreign comics in a foreign language instead of just getting to do what they wanted are dubious.
>>153598070I do like the hidden worldbuilding of St. Canard being implied to be in Canada, somewhere roughly north of Duckburg.
>>153598005The original plan was to make Donald a James Bond parody, Double-O-Duck. I think Stones just didn't want to put Donald in a soulless parody and so we got Darkwing. That said, it did come to pass later in comics as DoubleDuck (because Fleming owns the 007 license).
>>153598005Ultimately they did not know what was going in the Italian comics world, and PKNA was not a thing yet. If they did know they might have intervened and made it into a PK show, because they did try to make him a thing in the 2000s when they did find out Actually it is surprising they did not intervene and make Donald be Darkwing, since they directly made input for DA shows at the time to have Rescue Rangers star Chip n Dale and Talespin have Jungle Book characters. Startling then that they made a new original concept of an egotistical, sarcastic duck hero directly tied to Ducktales and none of them said to make him Donald
>>153598338>>153598639Double-O-Duck was never Donald, they were just doing the usual thing of every duck looking like Donald. It started as a spinoff of a Ducktales episode where Launchpad was the one being the spy, but then they made a new character to be the spy and had Launchpad as the sidekick; and then evolved the concept from spy parody to pulp adventure and superhero parody- Darkwing is basically The Shadow, visually.
>>153598127>in CanadaIt does?
>>153599565>Drake Mallard>Kent AllardThey even knew the deep Shadow lore about the Shadow's actual identity outside of Orson Welles
>>153600288Huh, neat
>>153584936We'd be willing to accept it if Disney made it more mainstream here. Paperinik is only known here through one almost forgotten video game 20+ years ago because that's the only thing Disney has shown us. My biggest exposure to him was through here.
>>153600049yeah there's a few episodes where they reference real life canadian locations like the northwest territories, I forget exactly which since it's been so long
>>153584767Is he like.A paper-based hero or something?Is paper his gimmick?
>>153599565I always thought it was weird how they tried multiple times to give Launchpad his own show and then backed away from it. First TaleSpin turned into a period piece with Jungle Book characters, then they back off of making him the MC of the next series, despite it basically having been halfway set-up by a DuckTales episode.
>>153600762No, just a case of weird translation
>>153600762Donald is known as "Paolo Paperino" in Italy.
>>153600762his power is he's strong enough to puch through wet newspaper
>>153584767>Thought I saw ducktits in the thumbnail.
>>153600762It's a portmanteau of Donald's Italian name, Paperino, and the anti-hero Diabolik
>>153600862the amerikan pig dogs don't know about Diabolik
>>153600815Launchpad simply isn't the kind of character who can hold a show on his own. He's designed to bounce off another character, be it Scrooge, Donald, or Darkwing.
>>153600913I know MST3K ended its original run riffing his live-action movie.
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>>153600913Hating Americans in a Donald Duck thread is certainly a choice
>>153601410american disney has spent the past 30 or 40 years making worldwide disney comics worse so it's not unfounded
>>153601462>american disney has spent the past 30 or 40 years making worldwide disney comics worseWas Don Rosa’s works really that bad?
>>153601542Don Rosa's works were made for Egmont in Europe, anon. They specifically AREN't American Disney, because he did a couple stories with them and hated it
Sex with Lyla.
>>153600951Surely a higher quality version exists?>>153601862Anon no think of the timestream or something.
>>153601929>Surely a higher quality version exists?if anon can tell me what story it's from I can probably quickly get a better screenshot
>>153600913yeah but the /co/ nerds know MST3K
>>153601410the joke was almost nobody knows diabolik, sorry america anon ;_;
>>153601987Not sure, but I think it might be from Topolino 3194.
>>153602839looking for it. meanwhile here's a modern italian take on rosa's depiction of goldie. just find it interesting
>>153602839ok it was actually 3072. ere you go, anon
>>153603088Based. Could we get a storytime if it's translated?
>>153603169I don't have it translated, sorry, anon, I just have a lot of scans of the Italian comics.Tell you what though. Years ago I did a scanlation of this other Fantomius story, since it was mostly textless on account of the silent movie gimmick. I might as well post it now. Pardon some clunkiness in writing etc, I'd do some things better nowadays.
>>153603242I used the official localised name of Fantomius in English, Fantomallard, as you might've noticed. Also redrew text etc. It's not the best, but was basically me working from nostalgia- it's what the translations of disney comics I grew up with used to do.
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>>153603395loved it man. the silent movie style is such a neat idea.>>153603242I quite like what they called him in danish, Fabuland, basically 'fabled duck', echoing the -land ending a lot of fancy posh surnames have.
>>153603308Bro is smooth as fuck>>153603326Surprised she wasn't left with heart eyes from an implied kiss.
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At least Paperinik and Duck Avenger are cool sounding names.In Spanish, it was most commonly localized as Superpato (i.e. Superduck), though apparently Patomas (a play on Pato + Fantomas) was also used.
>>153584767His name is Superkwęk, you heathen...
>>153607071Silence, pierogi
>>153584767I'm italian and only just recently I realized that his superhero name is a combination of papero/Paperino ("duck"/his italian name) and Diabolik (an old long-running italian comic book about a master thief who uses all sorts of tricks and gadgets, Paperinik started as a parody of him)so maybe a good english version of his name could have been DiaboliduckTho I guess Duck Avenger works too because he was indeed intended to be an avenger, he called himself "Paperinik the Devilish Avenger"
>>153608063For a long time I thought it was meant to be a play on “paper and ink”Because comics
I tried a few but I'm not a fan of Italian duck&mouse stories, often most of the OC are tall and humans and overdesigned, making the originals character look alien in their own universe.
>>153607071Powerduck is better than all the other names honestly, the fuck is a paperink?
>>153608879Yeah the italian name absolutely doesn't work if kept unchanged in other languages. For example I don't like Duck Avenger that much but it's still a better option
>>153608928The Finnish name Taikaviitta (Magic Cloak) is kinda shit.
>>153608879Swedish has him as Steel-Donald(Stål-Kalle), referencing Superman, who goes by The Steel-Man(Stålmannen).
>>153608954Thats kind of cool but it doesnt make sense considering hes more like batman and ironman combined
>>153609030The translators were probably just lazy, a lot of early Donald Duck character names are weird in swedish.Also, the Swedish translation for Batman used to be Läderlappen, which translates to The Leather Patch, but which also refers to the Vespertilionidae bat family. This was likely dropped in BTAS onwards because squeezing in four syllables in place of two was too cumbersome.He's just Batman now.
>>153609030>batman and ironman combinedNo, he’s broke and has only one technologically advanced gadget
>>153609079Lmao translations are funny as hell, a shame they dont do that kind of shitposting anymore at least in most places i think
>>153609101The talking ai feels very ironman to me even if he had a butler before it was an AI, the secret identity too as well as the lair and the car , probably something closer but its what i see
>>153600840I assume paperino is italian for duck.
>>153609134>The talking ai feels very ironman to me That’s more like Spider-Man 2099>>153609139No, just a silly name
>>153608954>>153609030Eeryone knows Super Goof is the true Superman analogue here.
>>153603242I to this day do not know who Fantomius is. I usually see the Topolino characters playing other roles in the other era stories but he looks like no one I am aware of Is this just some OC?
>>153608879Polish version has that nice upmh - SuperQuack
>>153609145Huh, I assumed it was like how Mickey is called Topolino.So does Paperino just not mean anything? Would the English equivalent be something like Paolo Whateverino?
>>153609145fair enough thats probably more specific im generalizing too much i think
>>153600913https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVfyPK2tMvE
>>153608684And then you get the true oddities like Eega Beeva who somehow eclipse the Disney cast in popularity.
>>153609172Like that, as name derived from a real world
>>153603313>Lon Chaney cameoNice
>>153603395I liked it! Redrawing the text must've been a real bitch
>>153609101gyro gearloose provides him with a fuckton of crazy gadgets, his car is modified like a james bond car with ejector seats, amphibious paddles, sometimes it can fly, in one story it has a fireproof shieldI remember one time he used a solid moonlight flashlight to walk in the air
>>153609236For free
>>153609172"papero" means duck, the other guy replying to you is a retard
>>153609364No, you are the retard
>>153609165Yes. Fantomius initially was just mentioned in Paperinik stories until the 2000s where he became a full character with his spinoff. >>153609172It mean "little duck". Similarly, Topolino mean "little mouse".
>>153609079More Swedish nonsense:Scrooge McDuck is Joakim von Anka, making him seem German instead of Scottish.Gyro Gearloose lost his last name and is now Oppfinnar-Jocke(Inventor-Jocke). Jocke is a name, but also a short version of Joakim. A bit redundant.
>>153609134The run where he has the supertech shield and the ai assistant (pkna) is a specific self-contained series, the baseline Paperinik is less advanced (although, exactly how powerful his stuff is varies from story to story, sometimes he has a net shooter and spring loaded boots other times he has a paralyzing ray and rocket boots, stuff like that)People sometimes look at the pkna version and assume "oh, that's the italian superhero Donald", but the truth is that the Paperinik New Adventures aren't so "new" by now, they ended a long time ago while the regular Paperinik stories where he operates from a small hideout under his home instead of a massive futuristic skyscraper are still being made
>>153609165>>153609441fantomius since the very first paperinik story is who paperinik is based on>>153609522it makes sense, actually. the "scottish rich guy" trope is very american, not really understood in europe. whereas in denmark and sweden the rich german with an upturned nose trope was more common at the time.
ah, here it is, with the moonbeam. one of my favorite old paperiniks.https://secondhandscanlations.tumblr.com/post/179260854942/scanlation-paperinik-lord-of-the-moonbeamtranslation is kinda crummy, though. not sure if it's worth storytiming like that.
>>153609582wait, reading it over it's not the one I remember, I must have mixed them up. I could have sworn it was the one with the moonbeam. oh well.
>>153609441>Even their official names are calling them manletsDonald and Mickey bros….
>>153609530Yeah its a shame its over i really liked it , the evronians and uno(the ai assistant, his name in french ) were really neat characters, also liked layla instead of using daisy, the one story where theres the giant gardening robot is incredible in particular
>>153609771it was surprisingly popular so it's a bit strange they just stopped it.
>>153609852maybe they ran out of ideas, though i feel like its only recently that picsou magazine and its counterparts and related content have been not very good, maybe they thought it was too serious or something, i got no clue
>>153609563It’s because of the cultural status of Andrew Carnegie, who Scrooge is largely modeled off of alongside the obvious Ebenezer Scrooge reference. That figure is not prominent outside America so the traits get lost in European adaptions, especially the aspect influenced by Carnegie of being disillusioned with his wealth and seeking other things in his life. Why also American adaptions of Scrooge simply are nicer and more sympathetic than Euroscrooge who is just typical mean rich guy
>>153609852Oh they didn't stop it completely, it had various sequels and reboots and additional one-off stories set in that continuity since then (and by "then" I mean fucking 2001, that's when the original run ended), of varying quality and success. It's also sometimes referenced in regular stories because it's so belovedIt didn't became a standard thing because it's such a departure from both the usual laid-back and sillier world of the regular stories, and because it's intended to have a stronger continuity where every character should have a coherent and consistent narrative arc and progression across the series, where usually in the regular stories the authors just make up any self-contained plot they want and reuse characters or make up new ones liberally (especially enemies that come out of nowhere and then disappear after they are defeated.)the whole pkna experiment was based on the premise "let's pretend we're american supehero authors", but they aren't ACTUALLY american superhero authors. Personally, I think they could have kept it up and continued to make stories in that style (not even necessarily in the pkna world), but to do that they would have needed to reorganize the way they make comics, and someone somewhere decided it wasn't worth it, maybe the higher ups didn't think it was a good idea or the authors didn't feel like it could continue for long or something like that.
>>153610350i read a bit of the newer powerduck stories after the original run ended but they felt different , not bad but not as good really
As a child I thought the concept of turning Donald Duck into a genuine superhero comic was kind of bizarre.
