What is the best possible Avengers lineup? I'd say pic-related but with Hank and the Maximoffs added.
>>153589864>Hank and the Maximoffs added.Same but I'd add Carol and Vision as well
>>153589864I miss Hawkeye's old costume
>>153589864This is just EMH's lineup but without antman.
like canon line up or like an OC line up
>>153589864CapHulkIronmanThorPantherScience adventurer Hank PymWasp as a socialite turned heroine and not with hank. Hopefully asian.Ms.Marvel Carol DanversThe maximov twinsLiving lightning as the new kid and latin representation
>>153590127Agreed.
What the OP already stated, plus Vision.
>>153590127And Falcon and Wonder Man. But leave it at that.
>>153589864Remove T'Challa with Hank in your picture and that's my lineup.
>>153589864There have been enough Avengers that you could easily fill 3 rosters with a mix of A-Listers, classic Avengers, and some folks that are only around because the MCU was pushing them
>>153590809You could make a whole army of Avengers.
>>153591082I don't think it should count once they made everyone an Avengers. Like Spider-Man and core X-Men members should never be on the official roster.
>>153589864>with Hank and the Maximoffs added.>add Carol and Vision as wellIll add War Machine and Sandman
>>153590263Panther is more like their number 1 guest ally, he can't really be around often enough to officially be on the team
>>153591407The way they did it on EMH made sense.
>>153592438EMH was the last Marvel adaption to be mostly untarnished from the shadow of the movies and the horrendous comics of the 2010s.
>>153592815Never forget what Jeph Loeb took from us.
>>153589864SteveSentryHulkThorBeast or WolverineHank
>>153590154So do I. But people are so attached to the frickin' Fraction run and him being a goofy loser that they won't let him wear his classic suit and only bring it up to make fun of it.
>>153589864>hulk in avenger rosterNO, JUT NOI hate it with burning passion, same way cyborg in JLA, is just "investors" melding.the one time after 1963 that hulk was in avengers roster was in 2012 after MJU film was released. Disgusting.Avengers rosters should be the one from perez and busiek era, or any roster from the 80s or 90s.
>>153589864Six Paul Rabins.
>>153590390They don't really add anything other characters already bring to the table though.
>>153594212He was great as a member on EMH.
>>153594995Black?
>>153594995I liked them as important members in United They Stand.
>>153594212yes
>>153594212Hulk was a founding member. Cyborg wasn't and was a core member of another team
When I think "Quintassential Avengers">Captain America>Iron Man>Thor>Hulk>Ant Man (Hank)>The Wasp>Hawkeye>Carol (mostly as Ms. Marvel)>Black Panther>Falcon>Quicksilver>Scarlet Witch>VisionSo those.
Literally this
>>153600703And Wonder Man. Then yes.
>>153601508It till hurts.
>>153589864Hulk is a founder but Hulk sticking around afterwards just feels wrong, even if the movies did it. Excluding Hulk, the essential Avengers are everyone from the founders on through to Black Widow finally officially joining in the early 70s and even that could be debatable. Nobody afterwards is really essential in any way, at best they're just important to a specific run or two.The core of the team is>Cap>Iron Man>Thor>Hank>Jan>Hawkeye>Wanda>VisionI'd like to add him, but Quicksilver's not really around enough to be as essential, and 8 characters is too many for most writers to deal with already.
Basically this minus the Beast and plus Hawkeye (who couldn’t be in this shot due to a crossover gag). I actually kind of think of Beast as a key member because I started reading with the 70s lineup that this represents, but he’s not, he’s just fun to draw.
>>153600703>HankPoor Hank and Jan have been treated like crap since the Avengers movie and people thinking Natasha was a founding member.
>>153604742I’d put Nat on a black ops Secret Avengers with Bucky, Agent Anti-Venom, and Eric O’Grady.
>>153604742If only we lived in an alternate reality where Zooey Deschanel's Wasp was also in the Avengers as the new hero on the block. Then we'd have gotten Hank as the protagonist of Ant Man instead.
What's the best mixed DC-Marvel lineup for a flagship superhero team? The DC trinity is a must, but who else?
>>153606320The Ant-Man movie was hard-locked by Edgar Wright since 2007, that's a big reason to why Whedon gave up in using Wasp, chances are that if he and Marvel were okay with making Wasp appear in the Avengers movie, then we would probably get the bizarre pair of Scott and Janet as Ant-Man and Wasp.
>>153607066I don't mind Lang, but I wish they wouldn't have skipped to him and screwed over Hank and Jan in the movies. If reality is rewritten in upcoming movies, it would be the perfect opportunity to use a more traditional version of them as Douglas and Lilly have recently announced they've quit acting anyway. Rudd can stay, but the OGs deserve to shine.
>>153606322Probably the most popular from Avengers, X-Men, FF, Titans, and JLA.
>>153594212Hulk is a solo character and doesn’t work on a team outside of isolated special exceptions. Cyborg graduating to JLA is entirely fine. Especially when Titans doesn’t work as a team anymore outside of the roster being underage teens
>>153600703I'd swap Hulk for Wonder Man and Falcon for Black Knight
>>153603939When I think of Pietro on a team I think of X-Factor
>>153608500That was literally just 1991-1993 and 2013-14 though. He doesn't have a huge history as part of that team.
>>153607795The point that anon was making is that the Ant-Man movie was always going to be about Scott Lang, so by the time the MCU got rolling, there was never any potential situation where you'd get Hank Pym as Ant-Man.>>153608256Cyborg, or any of the 80s Titans lineup graduating to the JLA after the Titans is fine. Having any of them as founding JLA member while also having the Titans exist as a team that's supposed to still broadly have the same history is just something that doesn't work.
>>153589864>>153590162yeah season 1 EMH Avengers is the definitive roster, a good balance of fun colourful personalities with their abilities and powesets.
>>153604345>shot of the whole lineup in one panel>individual poses are chosen so your attention is inevitably drawn to one placeWell played Perez.
>>153610792Agreed. Back when there were people who actually considered adapting classic stories rather than just the new ones.
>>153611610Did they just stop hiring people who know the comics?
>>153612289yes
>>153612289More like they started hiring people who think comics are beneath them.
Swap Justice & Firestar for Hank & Jan
>>153614323No one cares about antman and wasp.The fact that they NEED a spousal abuse thing to give them drama and a hook is all you need to know.
>>153610630It's still pretty messed up that Hank and Jan aren't seen as founding Avengers to people who only know the movies.
>>153614357I mean the spousal abuse story is just the culmination of years of weird or unhealthy relationship things, like Wasp using Hank’s schizophrenic breakdown as an excuse to marry him while he thinks he’s his own murderer.That’s part of what makes them essential Avengers. Vision and Wanda mostly have an idealized relationship (not always, but a lot of their time together) and Hank and Jan carry a lot of the soap opera when the writers need a couple that doesn’t quite work.
>>153611610If EMH had gotten a a third season, the planned episode list was full of adaptations of 2000s and early 2010s stories like House of M and AVX though. We probably dodged a bullet with the show ending when it did.EMH not including Wanda and Pietro was the one major mark against that show's lineup, but the plans to introduce them in a third season did not sound good.
>>153612289MCU has an internal team of comic experts. No im not kidding. But when it comes to the directors and writers they have a policy to avoid people who are hardcore comic fans. So the people who they do hire can do whatever and request knowledge from the 'comic people' when they want to. Its really retarded. Imagine Sam Raimi being skipped over because he sincerely loves classic spiderman, theyre retarded.
>>153615593>EMH not including Wanda and Pietro was the one major mark against that show's lineup, but the plans to introduce them in a third season did not sound good.The idea that EMH took place in the same universe as WATXM was the problemWATXM Quicksilver was such a cunt and outright supervillain. You can't really have him go from leading the Brotherhood to joining the AvengersAnd Wanda being leader of Genosha is also hard to reconcile with joining the Avengers
>>153615791The people making X-Men cartoons kept treating Wanda and Pietro as characters you just HAVE to include in an X-Men cartoon, despite how little they were in those comics, and kept doing weird out of character takes on them. Evolution and WATXM both have Pietro as an outright unrepentant villain, and both shows basically have OCs wearing Wanda's name.They really should've just kept the twins out of that show and saved them for EMH.
Hank is the soul of the Avengers
>>153616285I think Yost said he was planning to have them join in the third season. He wrote them being disillusioned with Magneto's villainy in the canon EMH tie-in comic.
>>153617229I remember those comics. They were good original stories until EMH was cancelled and they suddenly started just taking screenshots of the show and put the script in word balloons. What a scam.
>>153615315>That’s part of what makes them essential Avengers. Vision and Wanda mostly have an idealized relationship (not always, but a lot of their time together) and Hank and Jan carry a lot of the soap opera when the writers need a couple that doesn’t quite work.Hawkeye/Mockingbird and Quicksilver/Crystal were the couples who got married way too soon after meeting and had all their drama afterwards, Wanda/Vision had all the (good) drama on the long road to getting together and getting married, so they were the more stable and happy marriage. Hank and Jan fell somewhere in the middle, their relationship started off more of a light-hearted saga than serious drama, and most of their time together was relatively drama-free until comics got more 'mature' in the 80s and people started thinking more seriously about how screwed up some of the big building blocks of their relationship were. Then they go on to be the ones with all the drama of being together again then apart again for decades, which is mostly just different writers or editors wanting different things, it lasted until mid 2000s Marvel put an end to Hank/Jan and Pietro/Crystal as couples and it seems to have stuck so far, the same happened to Hawkeye/Mockingbird after Bobbi came back, while Avengers editorial gives Wanda and Vision the same sort of treatment Spider-Man editorial gives Peter/MJ.
>>153618551I like all of them together. More than Peter and Mary Jane actually.
>>153617229This makes me think it's not the same universe as WATXM as the Wikis say.
>>153620283It never made any sense because Hulk in WATXM has a toddler's intellect.
>>153621065And Hulk Vs. had Wolverine with longer ears on the cowl when first meeting Hulk and in Wolverine and the X-Men, they were short when they first met.
