>Marvel Comics is relaunching Brand New Day this month. Dan Slott returns to write it. The promotional copy calls the era “one of the most transformative times in Spider-Man comic book history” and “beloved by fans.” That is not how fans remember it.>Brand New Day launched in 2008 as the direct sequel to One More Day, the storyline in which Peter Parker made a deal with the demon Mephisto to erase his marriage to Mary Jane Watson in exchange for saving Aunt May’s life. The deal wiped his public unmasking during Civil War, reset his status quo to a younger, single version, and dismantled two decades of character development. One More Day and Brand New Day went down in history as some of the lowest points in Spider-Man or Marvel Comics editorial history. That is not a fringe assessment. It is the settled consensus of the readership that lived through it. >What followed One More Day was a structural mess that matched its premise. Brand New Day ran Amazing Spider-Man as a thrice-monthly anthology, cycling through a rotating cast of writers including Marc Guggenheim, Bob Gale, Zeb Wells, and Mark Waid alongside Slott, each taking turns with the book in a format that made consistent characterization nearly impossible. Peter felt like a different person depending on who had written that week’s issue. The rotating writer experiment was Marvel’s attempt to sustain high-frequency publication. It produced a Spider-Man who felt unmoored from himself. Readers who had followed Peter for years watched him bounce between creative voices with no through-line on who he actually was anymore.
>More than the inconsistency, the core problem was structural. Peter Parker without Mary Jane is not a more relatable Peter Parker. He is a lesser one. MJ was not just a love interest. She was his anchor, the person who knew his secret when he couldn’t carry it alone, the character whose relationship with Peter developed across decades into something genuinely irreplaceable in superhero comics. Erasing that marriage with a demonic deal and then building three years of comics on the back of that erasure sent a message to every reader who had invested in that relationship: it does not matter. Mephisto can undo anything. Your emotional investment means nothing. That wound never fully healed, and a generation of Spider-Man readers dropped the book in response and never came back.>Slott eventually became the solo writer on Amazing Spider-Man in 2010, running the book for eight straight years. That run had genuine creative high points. Spider-Island was inventive. Spider-Verse worked. The Superior Spider-Man storyline, in which Doctor Octopus swapped minds with Peter and left him to die in Ock’s dying body, was the most audacious swing anyone had taken with the character in years. It was also the flashpoint for a sustained, ugly public standoff between Slott and his readers.>At WonderCon 2025, Slott described his convention approach to fans asking when Peter Parker would come back during the Superior run: “The first time someone would ask me that, I would lean down the line and go, [yelling] ‘PETER PARKER IS DEAD! HE’S NEVER COMING BACK! IT’S OTTO OCTAVIUS.’ And I could spare myself a couple hours without hearing the question.” He presented this as crowd management. Fans who had been reading Spider-Man for twenty years experienced it as the writer of their favorite comic screaming at them in a convention line.
>The Superior Spider-Man storyline generated death threats, which is deranged behavior that deserves no defense. It also generated something more broadly significant: a years-long pattern of Slott publicly dismissing fan criticism of his decisions, blocking critics on social media, and treating reader dissatisfaction as evidence of limited comprehension rather than legitimate response to the work. When fan backlash to changes on Amazing Spider-Man peaked, Slott’s public response was to post that “it’s impossible to ruin a longstanding legacy character” and that upset readers should use the time waiting for their preferred status quo to catch up on older stories. Essentially: your complaints are invalid and your feelings will pass.>He also turned Black Cat into a murderous villain because Doctor Octopus punched her while occupying Peter’s body. She spent years as a villain on Slott’s watch for a motivation that even her defenders acknowledged was thin. Ben Reilly returned from the dead as a villain named the Jackal. The Parker Industries arc ran thirty issues and then evaporated with minimal lasting consequence.>Now Slott is back to celebrate Brand New Day in a five-issue series timed to Marvel’s upcoming Spider-Man: Brand New Day film releasing July 31. The promotional copy calls the era beloved. The marketing need is obvious: Marvel has a $200 million film carrying that name and needs the cultural association to be positive before the movie opens. Reframing a hated creative era as a celebrated one is not artistic reassessment. It is a promotional strategy.
>The direct market numbers sitting underneath this relaunch are not encouraging. In Q1 2026, DC holds 34.7% of the direct market compared to Marvel’s 29.4%. A year prior, Marvel had 37.5% and DC had 25.5%. Marvel flipped from dominant to second place in under twelve months. Launching a nostalgia series built around the nadir of Spider-Man publishing to promote a film built on that same era is not the move of a publisher operating from strength.>Peter Parker and Mary Jane Watson belong together. Every reader who has ever cared about Spider-Man knows this. Mephisto’s deal was wrong in 2007 and it still reads wrong today. Brand New Day was the three years of comics built on that wrongness, produced by a rotating crew of writers who could not give the book a consistent voice. Marvel is calling it beloved.>The fans who bought those issues weekly know exactly what they thought of them.
>>153596197lol good luck with that
>>153596197>>153596223>>153596244>>153596262She's not coming back Jon
>>153596197I ain't fucking dead yet, Marvel, and I'm not gonna let slop pass by un-criticized....Well I say that but I quite enjoyed Bailey's first few comics. I may enjoy junk.
>>153596197Am I insane for seeing a lot of parallels between OMD/BND and Disney Star Wars? Between fan outcry, constant doubling down, and just pure IP rape. They feel very similar to me.
>>153596649No I've been seeing redditors cry about ASM/Spider-Man fanbase being the new Star Wars fanbase for a few months now
tl;dr Dan Plopp
ultimately the problem with dan slott was just that he's a fat manchild with no real life experience and it showed in his writing
As long as everyone only reads scans instead of paying for Spider-Man, it should eventually tank enough that Marvel has to do correction.
>>153596223I don't care if I sound like Mark Wahlburg when I say this but fatty's gonna have a hard time eating tomorrow if he does shit like that again.
>>153596197>Marvel Comics is relaunching Brand New Day this month. Dan Slott returns to write it.>Romita Jr. on artThe worst of everything.
>>153597343I see it as a opportunity to see how bad the sales are.
>>153596197Who are you quoting, OP?
>>153597421Probably some article on CBR or some clickbait website. Maybe Rich the Leech. I dunno. Threads like this get other anons mad at anons for bringing up the same shit we both hate while some want to just ignore it as Marvel crumbles while others want to marinate in their hate. I dunno. I kinda just want to make threads where we just talk about good shit or post cool art or talk about ideas or draw stuff.
>>153597475ok fatty
>>153597543You callin' me Slott, anon? Cause that's pretty harsh.
>>153596349How the fuck was I able to tell Jon Del Arroz wrote this without even reading the original article
>>153597162Anon it's been 19 years since OMD happened and up untill today things have not been corrected/fixed. By now it is higly doubtful Spider-Man will ever truly be fixedMy one regret true regret is that OMD did not end with timeline being being changed and thus reveling Gwen Stacy's death never happened and that she wa still peter's GF
>>153597393speculators will buy it, unfortunately
>>153598102I don't really know what they could speculate on with this comic but then again Slott was the one who threw in Spider-Boy to get some kind of hype for his return to Spider-ManI'd expect it's mainly variant collectors that don't even read the comic and have it sealed up in a CGC case
>>153597421He's quoting Jon Del Arroz, which could also possibly mean OP is himSlott also posts hereSo this is a real Alien vs Predator situation
>>153596825That sounds like shills connected to Marvel/Disney trying to push the idea of the ASM/Spider-Man fanbase being the new Star Wars fanbaseIf they had any self-awareness they would notice everything they've been doing created fan apathy
My LCS owner tried to hock this on me for next week, being like "I thought you love Spider-Man and all?"Dude has not paid attention to my purchase habits and how much I and pretty much anyone else I know hates BND. This shit will tank like any recent mini has with Spider-Man. Slott was even begging people to buy the book so it would get extended. Fat chance.
>>153598228Dunno why would you would try to compare to Star Wars if you are a shill. SW seems to be falling.
>>153596825>>153598228There's select people out there who think anyone complaining about Spider-Man is self-inserting and/or it's based in misogyny.When really, it's just no one wants to read a comic where the main hero is constantly beaten down and never really wins. For there to be any poignance to the hero getting beaten down and toughing through the hard times, they eventually need a win. And not Peter winning a single one-off fight in 3 panels against a random guy in space, but an actual win that resonates.On top of it all, the one thing Marvel seemed to still have as some kind of bait, the shipping community, they've pretty much fucked. Alt covers with Gwen, MJ, and Felicia are pointless... because now Gwen has been permanently replaced with a teenager he can't date because it's problematic, they've beaten it into us that MJ wants anyone BUT Peter and always will, whether that's Paul or Flash, and Black Cat is permagay, so can never date Peter again.
>>153598258Under normal circumstances it's not what they should do, but for a while shills keep doubling down on things without thinking it through, plus they usually try to do the victim narrative by bringing up toxic fandom despite the most toxic fans are usually the ones in charge. If Jon Del Arroz had a brain in his head he would've pushed the idea that Spider-Man is on the same trajectory as Star Wars himself
>>153598258You're misunderstanding what they're saying. "Redditors" (it goes further than that, into Xitter and shit, but of course Reddit's a boogeyman to 4chan), are claiming the Spider-Man fanbase is toxic, just like they think the SW fanbase is toxic. They're basically claiming the vocal fanbases of both are made up of incels.
>>153596197>horrible comic by horrible writer to promote a horrible movieIt's like poetry(P S when are they getting rid of Zendaya?)
>>153596197God! Why can't everyone just shut up about OMD?>Titles Movie Brand New Day>Relaunches comic: Brand New Day
>>153598757It's the only Spider-Man story that matters in the last 50 years.
>>153598757>God! Why can't everyone just shut up about OMD?Oh I don't know could it beacuse it was truly horrible, Destroyed Peter Parker as a character. got rid of the marriage. Not to mention that it has still not been undone untill today,,
>>153598757>>153598836NTA, but I believe they were laying the sarcasm pretty thick when they greentexted the movies having the name of that arc as part or it's title.
>>153596649>>153596825So you're saying it'll get retconned when the next big mini-series event underperforms
>>153598415Seeing how it’s based off Brand New Day, would everyone be okay if she was replaced by Carlie Cooper.
>>153598337>There's select people out there who think anyone complaining about Spider-Man is self-inserting and/or it's based in misogyny.To be fair, a lot of the criticisms I see do seem to come from a place of misogyny or from clear self inserters. It gets especially murky when you have every woman in a 5ft radius of Peter praising him and putting out but MJ is typically characterized as bitchy which is funny as it makes her the only one with a real personality between them.
>>153596825Meaning ASM as a series is dying in a few years? Cool!
>>153599120Its been dead for 20 years and Marvel has lost quite a bit of ground during the last 5yrs and the failing of the MCU
>>153599087Cope lmao
>>153599087>seem to come from a place of misogyny or from clear self-inserters>Being this disingenuous and focusing on only the past 20 years of Spider-Man after the BND fag patrol hijacked this character when before that MJ and Peter had sensible arguments and displays of their personalities that didn't devolve into boring drama slop.>making these assumptions to discredit anons when we have years of theads delving into how insane Marvel creatives and editors are>Cherrypicking anon desires to only focus on the bait or obvious schizosNGMI, desu. You sound like a boomer on the internet thinking everyone in the world shares insane radical ideologies with no room for discussion when you walked into an anonymous imageboard where anyone can say practically anything.
>>153596197Will I get to see Michele and Carlie again?
>>153599341I didn't discredit anyone. I just said that a number of criticisms that I've seen to seem to come from a place of misogyny. I say that because even the creatives are misogynists themselves with how they've treated MJ and especially how they've spoken about her.Remember when Quesada said MJ was a whore that didn't deserve to be married to Peter?Priest saying MJ was just a good fuck and not a decent love interest and Peter never should've gotten close to her? That stuff gets into the fanbase and they feed on it.Right now I'd love it if Marvel just completely got rid of MJ showing up in ASM and had Peter finally move the fuck on than whatever it is they're doing now to string people along.
>"The biggest problem with the Peter/MJ breakup is that it happened in such an implausible, preposterous way that now it seems like Peter is cheating on his wife whenever he dates anybody else. There was no emotional closure to their relationship--it was just magicked away. When you have to bring in the Devil to undo a marriage in an otherwise grounded book you have totally lost the plot.>And why would Mephisto concern himself with Peter and MJ's marriage in the first place? There was nothing particularly special about their marriage in particular. It was hardly rock solid. If anything it had been pretty rocky over the previous few years with the clones and fake deaths and all. Recently added to that mire is Mary Jane's completely ham-fisted relationship with Paul Rabin, a guy she met while trapped in an alternate dimension.You know, like all other normal, relatable people.>This was clearly a stunt to take her off the table. If she was involved with some other dude then of course Peter is free to play the field. But Paul might as well have been a construct of Mephisto, given how ill-conceived and ridiculous his insertion into the series seemed. But honestly--I was never really onboard with Peter and MJ to begin with. When I was growing up, Peter was mourning the loss of Gwen Stacy, so in my mind, Gwen was always "the one" for Peter and MJ was, at best, #2. In Stan's initial 100+ issue run, Peter and MJ were never a couple. She was a rival for his affections and he found her attractive, certainly, but Peter only had eyes for Gwen Stacy. >So this notion that Peter's main squeeze HAD to be Mary Jane seems very foreign to me. Peter dated Liz Allen and Betty Brant and Gwen Stacy in those early issues. Mary Jane was a late addition.And don't forget--And MJ turned down an earlier marriage proposal--so we'd a few years when they were not even seeing each other.Eric larson on, well, you know.
>>153599512(Cont)>Peter and MJ's marriage was something Stan wanted to do in the comic strip, but the two had been broken up in the comic books for some time, so the couple getting back together and walking down the aisle seemed very abrupt in the comics--it was very much out of left field. In any case--Marvel tried unsuccessfully to break the two up after they realized that their marriage was a creative dead end. They didn't want the two getting divorced because they thought there was a stigma there--but every other solution, from Peter being a clone, to Mary Jane seemingly dying in a plane crash just seemed just as preposterous.>But to this day--their ultimate solution was a slap in the face."
>>153599470>discredit anyoneNo you didn't but by using your own slippery language right now, it SEEMED to me that is what you're attempting.But, I see that you were arguing about a different set of fans. I think that kind of mysogyny is stemming from fans wanting Peter to have a backbone again and for progression of the status quo to happen again. Which I agree with. But the mysogyny stuff is like hood niggas and idiots who can't distinguish between writers choosing OOC moments for fictional characters and the fictional characters themselves. And some anons exaggerate shit and think MJ needs to see some sort of comeuppance but the whole entire canon is so fucked now that MJ's character isn't what MJ was. It's some simulacrum now. So attempting to salvage it is a fool's errand. MJ wouldn't act like that and those fag creatives couldn't even justify their own OOC moments. The move now, is disown the last 400 or 500 issues and move on.
>>153599512Why are you even posting this, who gives a fuck about Larson?
>>153599512>>153599549How is the Marriage a creative dead end. It seems like all of the creative missteps they have made were in the attempts to get rid of it not in attempting to write it well.
>>153599620It's just because they are hacks who don't know how to write it or more likely just don't want to write the obvious storylines that come from being married and getting old because it conflicts with their idea of what Spider-man should be, which to most of these guys seems to be a whiny, mopey version of Archie with superpowers. Of course when they actually did divorce them it hit that no one has any idea what to do with the fucking character anyway, they have no alternative to growing him up, which is why almost 20 years after OMD the character is still the fucking dumpster.
>>153599087>To be fair, a lot of the criticisms I see do seem to come from a place of misogyny or from clear self inserters.I don't really see the misogyny all that much unless you mean to the minimal degree that people will get butthurt the instant a female character is criticized for their shitty actions. Real misogyny would be defaulting to dismissing every woman character unless she existed as a sex prize for Peter, and while some of that exists, it's not really the fandom. Maybe there's more self-inserters than I really get, but some of that happens with such a popular character that also still has appeal to kids.
The only fucking reason to do new BND era stories is to stories you weren't allowed to do MJ/Peter dating and having adventures we never knew aboutMore fucking Norman Osborn as it was insane we only got two fucking stories when he was King Satan of the Marvel Universe Fleshing out retcons (explicitly explaining who cloned Harry, explain more of what Ned Leeds was doing while presumed dead, more of Mysterio working for Kindred)
>>153599981>More fucking Norman Osborn as it was insane we only got two fucking stories when he was King Satan of the Marvel UniverseHe outgrew Spider-Man's "street level" vigilantism.
They probably relaunching it because of the new MCU spiderman movie in the hopes to get some normies to buy comics, get rid of the old fan base and replace them with the MCU fans.However is it I think the best thing we can do is just ignore it and forget about it. Just find something else to read while the storm at marvel passes.
>>153600281They're not "relaunching", they're doing a mini named Brand New Day taking place during the time of the 00s BND comics>get rid of the old fan base and replace them with the MCU fans.If they could do that, they would've done it back in the 2010s. Instead they alienated both audiences on a large level.
>>153600557They know it didn't work before but they are retarded enough to keep trying. If it's just a mini then they are just testing the waters to see if normies will buy a comic for the hype of the new MCU spiderman with the same name.My advice is still the same I've been telling you guys for some time, just forget about spiderman and find something else to enjoy.
>>153599246>failing of the MCUSort of but not really, they couldn't sell movies post end game about characters no long gives a shit about eternals, widow, captain marvel, falcon, knock off antman etc. Spider-man, thor, gog, strange, panther, deadpool, wolverine all that shit made bank despite being deep into sequels.
Over the years I've told people with nascent interest in the character about the differences between the comic books and the wider franchise. And of course, the big difference is his family life.It is actual repellent, they first think I'm joking, then you can actually see whatever hope of turning them into a comic book reader get pissed on in real time, utterly extinguished.They can't take a faustian bargain with no comeuppance seriously. They can't take this character seriously. How can you seriously ask anyone to be a new reader if this is the kind of enforce writer feint they will have to swallow, and down the line be given seconds?
>>153599620never understood this either, peters natural arc to slowly become reed.
>>153599620Hack writing. It's a self-report whenever a BND writer says the marriage made writing hard. A healthy relationship is the emotional support beam that gives you your KLH. It empowers and heightens your conflicts, doesn't detract.If you're pumping out stories for the sake of stories and there is no natural direction, the gravity well to draw a writer to the oldest and most tired cliche television tropesCheap drama of love triangles, OOC decisions or reactions from long running well-established characters, relegating the woman of the week the wet-blanket pining or pooh-poohing from the window, or Peter being late for a date plot No. 5828382.It's why Spider-Man only seems to be Spider-Man outside of his own books.
>>153599981As much as I hate Slott's BND-era retcon that Norman always knew Harry was alive, and faked his death back in the 90s to send him off to rehab, they really do need to reconcile that with Spencer's "lol no Harry's still dead this is just a clone made by .... someone other than Norman ... for ... reasons ..." retcon.
>>153601772Most of that retcon would have worked if they had made Ned the Big Bad of the Spencer run; the same way the Clone Saga would have made more fucking sense if they had Ned ass the bug bad of that arc too along with retconning DeMatties's character assassination of Harry as Ned brainwashing Harry insane and evil
>>153602329That relies on Ned being anything more than a cuckold and patsy.
>>153602366To be fair to that anon, at the time most of the Clone Saga was written, Ned was the original Hobgoblin as far as everyone was concerned, that he was a brainwashed patsy was a retcon canonized shortly afterwards.But the original Hobgoblin being behind everything back then would rely on him being a much higher-tier villain than he ever actually was, and him knowing who Spider-Man really was, which he never did.The Spencer run on the other hand is built around a mystery villain who only makes any sense at all if it's Harry, everything points to Harry, there's at least one moment where he's literally sitting in the ambulance Harry died in remembering how he died there, and then there's a last minute swerve to Kindred actually being two other characters who hadn't even been mentioned before in the entire run, and a mess of retcons nobody cared about trying to make sense of. The only way that story could've ended in a way that made sense was if Kindred was Harry.
>>153596197>>153596223>>153596244you'll never be a spider-man fan though, only a filthy marywhorefag
>>153602618All original sins of modern Spider-Man from Clone Saga onwards come back to this belief that we can't write a married Peter, so we need to send him off to the sunset with a clone to fit his bachelor shoes or a devil to retcon his marriage etc.Just messy, awful, top down from the editor mandate storytelling. Get these tired hacks and their one rusty hamster wheel plot out of the office and get some new blood in there.
>>153603129so they really need to reboot from ASM 375.
>>153603129>All original sins of modern Spider-Man from Clone Saga onwards come back to this belief that we can't write a married PeterHow much of it is "we can't" and how much is "REEEEEEEEEEEE we don't want to!"?
>>153603990Entirely the latter.We can and have had good marriage stories and there was an entire raising family arc right THERE for the exploration. Look at Peter B Parker/Ultimate popularity in the cultural zeitgeist as compared poor hobbled 616.However, you can't phone in a plot where Peter stands up girl of the week for a date for cheap drama if you have a wife at home, so if you're a hack writer you're irate that you have to get off the BND hamster wheel.
>>153598343>Jon Del ArrozThought it was the spider schizo and not that faggot. Why doesn't he just post his articles here with a link instead of this surreptitious shit
>>153603990Marvel frames it as a "we can't" but after Ult's sales raped ASM's it is dubious if that is what caused that universe to end and not the bullshit reason that "lol we ran outta ideas." Like seriously, them as writers saying that is like the cardinal sin of a writer's excuse regarding superheroes. Yeah coming up with them is hard. But...that's the job? So I suspect they got assmad.
>>153599620Well, let's look at those who are anti-marriage/pro-OMD hardliners...>Joe Quesada had a messy divorce and custody battle that triggered a mid-life crisis and draws himself to look like Peter Parker and even had the character date his daughter (which is already creepy enough but worse when you remember he made X-23 a child prostitute in NYX when she was drawn in a sexualized manner despite being a preteen both there and her debut in X-Men: Evolution)>Zeb Wells went through a messy divorce that resulted in his contribution to Deadpool and Wolverine where Vanessa was revealed to dump Wade via flashbacks when the entire impetus for the entire trilogy was his love for her and their romance and this was also around the time of his now infamous 2022 ASM run.>Tom Brevoort is married but has said Peter Parker is about "youth" (rather than responsibility) and is more relatable as a swinging bachelor and down-on-his-luck "schlemiel" (which is apparently a yiddish term for cosmic punching bag).>Bendis is married.>Slott is married.>Lowe is married.>JDW is married.>Cebulski's personal life seems to be mostly private besides his Akira Yoshida split personality.It mostly seems like men who hit mid-life crises and/or divorce traumas who project onto Peter Parker due to their own Peter Pan Syndrome and wish to live vicariously through him without the responsibilities of marriage, breadwinning, nor dealing their own children, seeing those things as what 'ruined' their lives and independence.
>>153604510>Tom Brevoort is married>Slott is marriedTo each other, right?Right?
>>153599981For the Harry clone they easily could have pinned that on Jackal and they already had the opportunity in Dead No More, but we wouldn't be griping in these threads if those idiots at Marvel knew their asses from their elbows.
>>153604510What do writers that have never been married think about Peter?
>>153604510How does 2 of 8 guys listed being divorced somehow lead you to that conclusion. You don't know anything about these dudes. Trying to weakly imply quesada is pedofile or something has nothing to even do with this storyline, and there's nothing inherently wrong with writing a story about a homeless trauma victim ending up as a child prostitute.
>>153597343JRJR is not on art.
>>153598247Interesting. My LCS guy and I were making fun of it.
>>153599512>And why would Mephisto concern himself with Peter and MJ's marriage in the first place? There was nothing particularly special about their marriage in particular.I'm glad Spencer was, at the very least, able to give this context.
>>153601312Erik Larsen is not a BND writer.
>>153600557Slott is literally BEGGING people to buy it to make it an ongoing.
>>153604785Did much does he have ordered? Is it just to cover speculators/habit buyers or might there be a market for it?
>>153604849The stack didn't seem too large when I was in there yesterday, not for a #1 at the very least.
>>153604876It's both banking on good will for a status quo start that was - regardless of Spider-Office agitprop - controversial, whilst rewriting the early start of it because so much of it was undercooked. The latter might be cool, if not for it now hitting the skids when the rest of the much larger franchise has moved on.If it makes it to ten issues I'll be very surprised.
>>153604970It's only a mini series.
>>153597421His ass.
>>153605535They are hoping they can make it an ongoing, that's the thing that would surprise me.
>>153598247>Slott was even begging people to buy the book so it would get extended. Fat chance.This got me wondering how bad the preorders had to be that he needed to tell people to preorder
>>153604510>>Joe Quesada had a messy divorce and custody battleThis didn't happen. He's actually still married. Still though I can't believe how badly OMD tanked Quesada's reputation that people think of him as "the bitter divorced guy who wrecked Spider-Man"
>>153608123Marvel has reached the apathy doomsday scenario everyone who heard about the 'enrage to engage' selling strategy warned about."DC is going to continue to bend over Marvel over until editorial changes, problem is how does Disney factor into all this?
>>153608147>how does Disney factor into all this?miles & gwen get married & have a spider kid
>>153608209Leave Hailee's baby alone Shameik.
>>153604807Whats the context?
>>153608147You don't understand that making money isn't their goal at all.
>>153608362Oh shut up. That's all they care about. In 2015 they thought woke shit was how to make money so they went for it. Now they're desperate for attention so they bring back a divisive arc. Because they think that will make money. That's their only goal. They just suck at it.
>>153608384Nope. What they really want is to generate lots and lots of yummy yummy yummy negative emotions to eat.
>>153608362>>153608402That's mainly because they're stuck in the 2000s mindset and think negative emotions will keep people buying while they pad the numbers with variant buyers and speculators
>>153608408You still don't get it. The negative emotions are the goal. They won't stop until the entire planet is just a big negative emotion farm, and then they will eat and eat and eat and eat and eat and eat and eat and eat and eat and eat.
>>153608384>>153608362I think there's points to both sides here.Disney sees Marvel as a cheap ideas and IP factory, albeit anything poached from comics usually has to be heavily rinsed of nonsense that the too many cooks and cocks in the broth comic books bring for an adaptation to work for normies. See civil war or the coming BND movie with no use of villain kill teams, Mephisto, or Peter's amnesia to what he lost.So they don't mind the comics not being a big earner, which as far as the Spider-Man franchise it objectively is the least relevant thing in terms of money and cultural impact. That and the speculator market means Marvel has a big buffer between retardation and consequences.That said, it's become very apparent especially with the success of Ultimate (in terms of sales, not so much storytelling), that the reason the status quo is what it is, it is to sate the ego of the same insular and self-selecting group of philosophy sharing editors and writers who want their Peter Parker to be unaging. Spider-Man is the story of youth, not responsibility, and they don't care if their market share shrinks so long as their vision is unbroken. So it's not a market based on money, but on calcified belief. Peter Pan, not Peter Parker.
>>153608424Disney sees Marvel as a way to farm negative emotions to eat. That's it. All corporations have the same goal: eat negative emotions forever. They don't even gain any nutrition from those emotions, it's purely for sadistic fun.
>>153608433The real Brevoort manifesto.
>>153608447Corporate and political sadism is the way of the future.
>>153608424>Peter Pan, not Peter ParkerMCU Peter Parker is just an OC fucker like MCU Ant Man. Peter Pan is more applicable to Norman Osborn in the mainline comics.
>>153596197Comic spiderman is dead to me.
>>153608659I view current Norman as some sort of lobotomized patient.A shotgun that removes sins? What the fuck does that even mean? A moral person who has done a fraction of what Norman has done having a moment of introspection would be a suicide risk.
>>153608695I guess it was done in order to accomplish pic related. His self shotgunning doesn't matter now because he immediately hangs out Spin right after in Spiderversity.Hailee needs to keep her baby away from Shameik if you ask me >>153608252
>>153608760>letting Norman hang around a bunch of teens and childrenThe idiotic premise aside, does anyone of them bring up Gwen? Or the time he took over S.H.I.E.L.D? Or the time when... etc?The problem with Goblin is this is not like Flint, Rhino or Shocker where you can see them going straight or reforming. This is a volatile Vesuvius. If he is to reform, it's behind a padded cell.
>>153608252Mephisto had a vision of the future that he will finally take over the Earth only for Mayday Parker to be the one to stop him. In order to stop this he took the marriage.
>>153609673Thats retarded.
>>153609881>he thinks what was before was betterKEK
