the real life revenge plot that became a multi-century sensation, as imagined by Stan Sakai and Mike Richardson.
>>153597188More like 47 MEEDLERS
>tsunayoshi best girl, by the way. >since the eleventh century I'm actually not so sure that the term daimyo was used as early as the 11th century, actually.
>>153597266>As they say my Lord: Don't Start None, Won't Be None!
>>153597287Things will be so nice for when he returns.
>>153597335What a petty motherfucker
>>153597390Woodcutters!
>>153597390Woodcutters spotted.
given the copyright problems family crests have, I wonder how they managed to show so many, including the big leagues. >>153597379learned recently there were money problems every where at court, so it's possible he wasn't being so stingy about.
I was thinking if 16th/17th Japanese works about "etiquette" / "socially advancement" / "public life" like the Spanish ones from the Siglo de Oro (Gracian; Quevedo) or the Italian ones from the Late Renaissance / Baroque (Guicciardini Francesco; Guicciardini Lodovico; Ammirato)
>>153597426generally speaking I think the biggest difference was that social advancement wasn't encouraged at all, if not impossible.
>>153597417>>153597411Plead the 5th, you idiot!
>>153597452>I plead the barbarian American legal code!>You fool! You are in shoguns court! Not in some nanban court!
>>153597311>>153597311If I could draw, I'd have this asshole with the credit card thing with the "tip selection: 25% 35% Meaningful%"
>>153597390>Kitsune and Kiyoko
>>153597207>To know this story is to know JapanThis is THE Feudal moment
>>153597493this is peak edo period, no questions about it.
>>153597479>He insulted me, I struck him, eye for an eye!>We're not Persian, you fool!
>>153597486Damn, everyone seems to dislike Kira
>>153597367Honestly, the more I read about those events the more I am sure that in reality it was Asano who was in the wrong and Kira was just a convenient scapegoat for vengeful and bitter samurai, who didn't even witness those evens. They didn't even knew how Kira looks like!
the virgin samurai retainer cannot comprehend back-breaking labor of the peasant class. >>153597633that's one interpretation
>>153597631>Cockblocked by Bushido BULLSHIT!
>>153597685>A FUCKING ROCK
>>153597726El Real Historical Informador
>>153597720>>153597726>To ensure that our plan works, I will go fuck & drink about 3 times a week. A difficult task.
>>153597390This Uzaki... is he a yojimbo?
>>153597769not a very good one.
>>153597759Truly a great sacrifice.>No, none of you can do this, it is too dishonorable, it has to be me, I will endure!
>>153597717>box of ryo>they're silver-coloredWhat did Kindzierski mean by this?
>>153597560well, he's a dick
because if you're going to throw your life away in a political murder for a lost cause, you better do it in style.
>>153597869>Tonight's the night we get into some shit but here's some good food for being deep cover on the incognito tip.
https://youtu.be/OR8cqSjL5YY
>>153597883They're well fed & drunk, is there no better way?
>>153597914>Sonny ChibaThe Original Shinobi!
>>153597240Funny how this story confirms that bushido was only formed *after* Tokugawa became shogun and made samurai almost obsolete.Iirc last year Enma or someone else said how the story of 47 Ronin was rather against bushido.
>>153597964Yeah, the guy himself who wrote the book on bushido, said that Oishi and his gang should have charged at Kira day one after their lord had died.Because apparently it would had been more honorable to die to Kira's guards in a futile attempt at revenge, rather than wait for his guard to drop.Because during the wait time, Kira might have died of something else, like fever, or indigestion or whatever, and then Oishi and his gang would had remained dishonored forever.Meanwhile, pre-edo period samurai would have told Oishi to get over himself and seek employment elsewhere, or to just kill himself, in order to follow his lord in death.What Oishi did was an interesting compromise between old thinking and contemporary bushido bullshit thinking. It's likely his way of thinking was the norm at the time.
I should mention this shogun in particular extremely unpopular, which complicated things.
>>153598042>Oishi: What if we...kill Kira, THEN kill ourselves to disguise our Vengeance as Bushido? Hohoho, Delightfully Devlish, Oishi!
>Terasaki Kichiemona.k.a. the GOAT
>>153598045>>153598056>Kira was so disliked everyone comes out to support this act of Vengeance.
>>153598110This is why you can't kill yourself for honor. Other people who see it might think it's cool and copy you.
to give an idea how popular the story became, it spawned an entire genre of theater and prints, Chushingura, even after they were banned in the years following the event. this was like the
>>153598182This was like the?Like the what?
https://ogatagekko.com/category/series/chushingura-47-ronin/worth checking these prints out, they're beautiful.
Kazuo motherfucking Koike!
Thank you OP
that's all there is, thanks for reading. look forward for the next kaito releases, and kami willing a new UY issue this year still. in the mean time, I'll put away the murder and just be anon for a while. see you freaks around!
>>153598199....I was trying to find a western analogue but couldn't think of one in time and forgot to delete that part...
>>153598199ろうそくヤコブ got hi--
>>153598253Thanks Murder. Now we are truly off Mr. Sakai's Wild Feudal Ride, at least for another year.
>>153598261You know what gesture we will accept as reparation for your deficiencies.LMAO, thanks once again for posting this year, Murder! See you next year, if not sooner. I had a great time.
I can't believe the Usagi Storytime is dead.>>153598253Thanks for everything as usual Murderanon, already looking forward to next year's meddling!
>>153598253See you around anon formerly known as murder.>>153598275There is no escape from Mr Sakai's Feudal Ride!
>>153598110>Oh come on, who do you assholes think has to keep cleaning up this shit, this is the fourth one this week !
>>153598084>this shogun in particular extremely unpopularWell yeah, who would want to serve under Shogun Olrick?
>>153598084>this shogun in particular extremely unpopularWhy? What did he do?
>>153598365>>153598253Thanks for the journey and remember: 20! 20 RYO FOR RHE HEAD OF THAT MEDDLER! HE'S ONLY ONE MEDICANT RONIN!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObWAo9BP9Sc&pp=ygUeaGVhcnQgb2Ygc3dvcmQgcnVyb3VuaSBrZW5zaGlu0gcJCQMLAYcqIYzv
>>153597578>blood oath>signed with inkjust like a chink to cheap out
>>153597188Is bushido time
>>153597645hey didn't you have to leave your weapons?
>>153597438
>>153598880Swords are part of samurai dress code.Would you strip samurai naked and send them off like that?
>>153597299https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkpYqKKrewU
>>153598954YES, especially when I'm centralizing power and displacing the damyos in favor of a bureocratic caste!
>>153597481Something like this maybe?
>>153597341>Paying bribes is dishonorable and goes against my morals>Waking craftsmen in the middle of the night and forcing them to work for little recompence to save my hide that's fine bro
>>153597367>>153597376I'm gonna be honest this has gone past Feudal and is pure Nigga moment. Dude knew what he was getting into, refused to do what he needed to do and then sperged out when he got fucked over
>>153599046That smug cunt expression is perfect, I usually shit on wojacks but it fits
>>153599088nono they have like a whole thing where the guy has to meet an unexpected obligation suddenly and he goes to all the stores in town searching for yakisoba but he only finds trash that is rightfully panned by the attending official and he then commits harakiri and this is supposed to teach like pull yourself up by the bootstraps or something>>153597833good thing the old dude samurai only took one of his swords
>>153597348Wish I still had the "Ive had enough of the jannies insults and baiting, you are daimyo of /co/ castle" meme but all my files got formatted a while back
>>153597335Such a petty asshole.
wow that was really good. But why didn't Asano try to defend himself at the trial?
>>153597528Bro the Shogun KNEW what was gonna happen, mother fucker baited a gang war for shits and giggles
>>153597539>What the fuck is Persian
>>153599337Because he knew the investigators were crooked and that they were gonna twist his words, no matter what he said.So best to say as little as possible and hopefully limit the fallout to only himself.
>>153599358On this note what was feudal Japans knowledge of the outside world beyond their immediate vicinity and Europe? I know Samurai wouldve been present with Wokou pirates at the Ottoman-Spanish wars across SE Asia
>>153599454And the Japs knew about Siberian tribes north of the Ainu and Korea, and probably Mongolia after Kublais misadventure
>>153599339Even the Shogun has to entertain himself somehow
>>153597858dude the "this is the moment to walk out" moment was like 7 chapters ago>>153597902>>153597954wait, how are they "resisting you" if they attempt to flee?>>153597929that's a lot of armed retainers for a man who supposedly fired all of his security staff>>153597986search under her kimon, kira could be hiding there>>153598036wasn't kira supposed to be scarred? the cut was up the eye >>153598119but which one was ori?
>>153599337Anything you say can and will be used against you.
>>153597633This is my first reading and second retelling of the story. Asano was told to play ball the he chose to preserve some bullshit honor over just getting home and protecting the people under him. He acted like he was the first and only dude to eat shit and everyone else paid for it. Pure feudal moment
>>153599337Partially honour, and partially because he knew he was going out regardlessWhat's a samurai to do? Whine about it? Like a bitch?Say that you got baited by an obvious dickTell the Shogun to his face that his whole place is full of crooks? I mean maybe but then you have every member there ready to kill your family for the cheek of it.As for why he just came out with "And I'd do it again!", well, there's honour to yourself as well. Grovel and say you had a lapse of judgement, you're getting killed regardless, and you also just grovelled. Better to stick to your principles but limit damage past yourself.In terms of this story, mind you. Stan and Mike I think both say that it's become legend and things are romanticised a bit.
>>153599580>wait, how are they "resisting you" if they attempt to flee?They could be running elsewhere to get reinforcements. These guys even point out they're going to pretend that's what they're doing
>>153597726>>153597732EtaCHAD stays winning
Are there any more comics like this?
>>153597864>I had to marry some hot girl to ensure we restore our honour, there was no other way except this immense sacrifice
>>153599634Have you tried Usagi Yojimbo?Besides that, I think Swindling Indies gets the idea of shitty, yet colorful and fun olden times right really well.
>>153599598>In fact some documents had Asano yell to Kira: "MotherFUCKER! You motherfucker! You cocksucker! You inhuman, godless little FUCK!"
Great stuff. I wish Japanese history (and Chinese history for things like the Romance of the 3 Kingdoms) was distilled a bit more like this. They have such a rich background that I wish I wasn't too stupid to really understand and get lost in all the names.
>>153597188As an American some several hundred years after the fact I can't help buy find this whole story absolutely bizarre
>>153597902>You lads killing that Kira cunt>Don't let me stop you just give em one fer me
Anyone got this year's mega?
>>153599938https://mega.nz/folder/Dsd31LiR#grnO0n2INCHplEWo4nOCYQ
>>153599965Thank you, anon.
>>153597902The ol' archer-on-the-roof tactic
>>153598110God fucking damn. This really is the purest Fuedal moment in the history of Japan and Mankind as a whole. I won't lie there's a part of me that gets it and thinks it's kinda rad but at the end of the day all of this happened because one guy refused to pay a bribe EVERYONE has paid and then had a genuine nigga moment and fucked up EVERYTHING for EVERYONE under him. Great fucking story though and Stan Sakai deserves the title of "The Man" from Lee. He's earned it and I bet Stan Lee would aprove.
>>153598221Surprise guest appearance. It's crazy reading Lone Wolf and Cub over on /a/ late last year and Usagi on /co/ have been some of the most fun I've had on this dying shithole in a while. Good on you lads
>>153598120They're just excited to mock any severed head that gets paraded through town.
>>153600002>>153599151>>153599597I mean, a bribe is still a bribe and if the Shogun ever caught them in the act Asano would be the only one to survive. Corrupt systems cant abide even a single goody-two-shoes, everybody has to fall in line or the whole thing goes belly up.
>>153599597It IS at the very least implied the other lord would've acted the same way, except he had servants that knew how to play the court game better and did all the bribing for him without his knowledge. The implication being that if Asano had brought Oishi with him, Oishi would've done the same and everything would've been fine.
>>153598110Publicly denouncing Oishi like that was actually helpful to his plan though. Guy should give himself a bit more credit.
This shit ugly, yo.
>>153597188Oh wow, I didn't know Stan had a hand in this. Is this one of Stan's only works to have a movie adaptation?
>>153600298
>>153598390>who do you assholes think has to keep cleaning up this shitthe Eta, priest-sama doesn't have to dirty his hands touching some dipshit samurai's corpse.
>>153598042That's a spook to diminish the prominence of local feudal lords, no don't organize and strike at members of the bureocracy die futilely HONORRABRU at the hands of the gobernment.
>>153599454>what was feudal Japans knowledge of the outside worldPretty good actually, all things considered. When the Portuguese and Spanish first started showing up in Japanese waters it was old mate Demon King of The 6th Hell himself who was eager to welcome them, and grilled them about the state of the outside world. A Jesuit priest Father Luis Frois had an audience with Big O and was able to answer a lot of his geography questions (mostly about India but other stuff too), and another Jesuit priest, Father Organtino gifted him a globe. Monke-man Hideyoshi and the Tokugawa shoguns, even under their own policy of isolationism, never stopped getting updates, carefully screened and kept from the normies of course, about the state of the outside world. There's this pop history idea that when Commodore Perry's black ship sailed into Edo Harbor, the Japanese were dumbstruck by this man-made horror beyond their comprehension, but the shogunate knew what was going on. Commodore Perry was allowed to sail into the bay precisely because the bakufu were acutely aware at just how thoroughly shrekked the Qing dynasty had been during the Opium Wars by Western military power and they were afraid the same thing was going to happen to them. Top picture is the "Bankoku Sōzu" or "General Picture (Atlas) of the World" drafted around 1645 working off of Jesuit maps drawn for the Chinese emperors and Dutch VOC maps. Bottom picture is "Shintei Bankoku Zenzu" or "Improved World Atlas" drafted by Takahashi Kageyasu, the director of the shogun's very own astronomical observatory. In fact this is the first map IN THE WORLD that correctly depicts Sakhalin as an island.Sources:“Geography and Japanese Knowledge of World Geography.” https://doi.org/10.2307/2383173The Types of World Map Made in Japan’s Age of National Isolation.” http://www.jstor.org/stable/1150150"Waves of Globalization in East Asia: A Historical Perspective.” https://doi.org/10.2307/j.ctv3zp081.22
>>153598261Jacobean Revenge drama, maybe, but even then, it's a rather weak connection
>>153597624The ledger thing seems so oddly specific. Seems dangerous to have an inventory of every asset you've acquired that proves you're plotting revenge when there's spies about. A cynical reading is that ledger might have been a forgery by whoever supplied Oishi to shut down investigation: "Oh, Oishi totally just carefully managed funds made from selling off Asano assets with every individual item he purchased catalogued, no need to question where all their stuff came from!"
>>153597335Bribes and Tatami mats. Oy..
>>153600369Yeah but that's still a whole day of calling them in and hanging around.
>>153600409Post-posting edit to clarify: the bottom atlas was published around 1816 or so, near the very end of the shogunate. I used these two maps to demonstrate that the bakufu and the country as a whole weren't static and stuck in time contrary to some mythologized beliefs about the Edo period, they were constantly undergoing change and moving inevitably towards the future just like any other place in the world. Really the whole 'muh sankoku' is more Japanese blowing smoke up their own asses about how super special isolationist folded 1000x times they are. >>153599302I've got (you) my nanban.
>>153597674The spy in the bottom left panel has the subtlety of a komori ninja.
>>153597188 from...>>153598253 to...... fantastic story. I did not expect to enjoy a comic this much. Thanks for posting, murderanon.Hm... now i wonder if anything like this can be done for The Elder Scrolls' Morrowind. The Dunmer have a lot of japanese influence in their design.
>>153600565Funny you should mention the Dunmer in particular, serjo....
>>153597367Christ. What an asshole.
>take no death casualties, only walking wounded>everyone kills themselves anyway
>>153597270>Lady AsanoOh no
>>153597396>I respect neither Kira nor his SonCan't imagine why.
>>153600600Excellent.
>>153598084>>153598646Can't say I like him myself, just looking at how he handles this situation. It seems like he doesn't want to be bothered by any sort of real responsibility that comes with ruling, and hopes that problems will just go away on their own. He waffles his way through this entire debacle.
>>153597422>Yes I kicked a guy in the head but I was having money problems...
>>153597422>>153597430At no point does anyone point out he kicked him in the head.
>>153600742If I wanted to make decisions I never would have gotten into politics.
>>153597586Why didn't he let him into the plan
>>153600780You must fool your friends before you fool your enemies
>>153600780because yoshi gets to eat his cake(honorabru seppuku) and keep it too(avenge his master's death), any other path and he loses one or the two
>>153597486>What could I have POSSIBLY done to deserve this treatment?
>>153597318prognosticator accountant right here
>refuse to take your chief courtier to court>be a cheapskate>get your whole family annihilated, lose your wealth and estates, have your brother arrested, your wife and daughter turned out on the street and your men left for deadha ha asano was so based not giving a tip was definitely worth it
>>153600778In his defense, he didn't choose to to become the shogun, his parent's decided that for him when they had him.
>>153600098The bribe is socially acceptable even to scrutiny because it’s presented as a gift of gratitude. The bribes judges and politicians take today are no different.
>>153598110>Of all the Mondays, I hate this one the most of all
There’s honestly an argument the Shogunate benefited most from this. Kira had met Asano before and they are rumoured to have disliked each other. Kira also potentially, allegedly may have poisoned his father-in-law to inherit the Uesugi domain. As a result of the conflict half of the Uesugi domain’s wealth was confiscated by the Shogunate, approximately 200,000 koku, and the Asano brother was reinstated as nobility with an income of only 5,000 koku. So the net result was a wealthier rural domain was split up and passed into the hands of the Shogun’s allies for minimal expenditure. And the Uesugis were probably in a rough spot already because they claimed to have been bankrupted 10 or so years prior due to being obligated to repair the walls of Edo castle.Kira’s grandson was also executed in the aftermath of this for failing to protect his family as a samurai should.
>>153600777yeah he could've told matsuki he seems on the up and up
>>153597720Man, everyone else had to get a job, meanwhile this asshole got to drink and fuck hookers part of the ruse.
>>153597318This one panel sums up the entire comic.
>>153597788>>153597796>My work here is done>But you didn't do anything
>>153601402Give him cat ears and nose and also works for UY
My biggest takeaway from this comic is that I would never have survived living in Feudal Japan. Every other thing was punishable by death.
>>153601468The Soga Brothers is an even bigger feudal moment than this.>well brother, we’ve gotten our revenge. What should we do now?>what if we kill this prostitute then randomly attack and kill samurai and civilians in the street until I die, then you try to kill the shogun>why?>so people will remember our revenge better
>>153597833>I suspect you're more fox than drunk..>I'm pretty drunk.
>>153601352>drink and fuck hookers part of the ruse.yes. the "ruse."
>>153597766fuck
>>153601517Ah, the Japanese.
>>153597778brutal
>>153601311THE SHOGUN WINS AGAIN BAYBEE
>>153601517What the flying fuck?
>>153598261The Harder They Come.
>>153601553*makes fox noises**pisses on the street**leaves*
>>153602119Oishi was br*tish the entire time?!
>>153600600I will tell you where they are! But first, give me wealth beyond measure, outlander!
>>153601311>your grandpa gets murdered by a band of nutters>when the shogun sees this, he has you killedLmao, now that's what I call Feudal Japan, baby!
>>153597633according to the system at play asano was wrong but kira took it way too farits one thing to simply give him poorer instruction in return for the poor gift its another thing to try and outright destroy his reputation and orchestrate his deathAsano should've just paid him some white elephant and been done with it
>>153601311How long was this before the Boshin War and the Shoguns ' dissolution?
>>153602833>Asano should've just paid him some white elephantLike what?
>>153602867i don't know feudal japanese culture but i'm sure there's something which is taxing and difficult to own but socially you have to accept it and keep it for a whilehell, hire the man some ronin as retainers and force him to pay them
>>153602852Hundred and fifty odd years
>>153597869>marines getting steak and lobster
>>153602852>boshin warAlways thought the individual soldiers from this war looked neat
>>153600396>the late feudal/early-modern glowie telling you to shoot up random supermarkets and not courthouses and capitolstruly they are endemic
>>153600002>I won't lie there's a part of me that gets it and thinks it's kinda radBecause its intuitively understood that all a man truly has in this world is his life and his pride, and if you're unwilling to stake either of those things on your actions then there is nothing at all for anyone to see in you. If you're unwilling to fall on your sword then you are undeserving of the boons and honors that come with leadership
>>153601311>an argumentno argument necessary, its pretty obvious from an objective angle that the shogun, at best, intentionally played this all to benefit himself and at worst took great advantage of the situation to trim the fat of excess samurai while reaping the spoils
>>153598947You beat me to it.
>>153597478>>153597486Despite being a cartoonish asshole is nice to see the perspective of this guy, all in all despite him being the instigator attacking someone with a sword is in no world the correct reaction to passive aggressiveness.
>>153597631Oh look, is that one bridge Stan loves to draw
>>153604613it's a nice bridge. I'd cross it.
>>153597876I'm proud you are about to throw away your young life for Bullshido!Truly a samurai moment.
>>153597908What a polite way to take revenge.
>>153604682Well this whole event started because of manners. So it's only right.
>>153604594>all in all despite him being the instigator attacking someone with a sword is in no world the correct reaction to passive aggressiveness.And here I am saying that Asano should've beheaded him on the spot. He'd have been executed anyway, might as well go all the way.
>>153598056Imagine for a second a clash between the samurai from Kira's family and the Samurai of Matsudaira, killing each other to fight or protect respectively a group of guy who are going to kill themselves anyway.
>>153598097kek
>>153598253Thanks Murder, It was a great storytime.
>>153598658Katana as a Cat is cute.
This has been a great annual storytime, thanks Murder, Enma and all the other anons making stuff and counting things. Now if you excuse me I too I'm going to commit Seppuku by going to /a/ and reading Chapter 50 of Kengan Omega.
I wish Stan could do one about the Shinsengumi
>>153606150A Meiji-era Usagi descendant would be interesting. This Usagi as the start of the era of Bushido, then one Usagi as the end of the era of Samurai
>>153606150>ShinsengumiFuck that, give me the Roshigumi so we can have Tomoe stand in as real life female samurai tomboy Nakazawa Koto who disguised as a man to fight in the army and vowed to never marry anyone weaker than her and died single and alone at the age of 88!
>>153604594He kicked him in the head.
>>153602892Sounds like a concubine would be the perfect gift in this situation.
>>153606997Or a horse.
>>153597390There's a Spot, too!
>>153598221Thanks for posting this page.
>>153597390That ronin between the not-woodcutters and not-Kitsune... my meddling senses are tingling.
>>153606448Damn
>>153597240Ah, so we have Yamaga Soko to blame for Feudal Japan.
>>153598253Thanks, and abayo!
>>153612083We can blame him for bushido bullshit.Japan being Japan and feudal, were the fault of some ancient Japanese people who decided to live there and have a feudal sopciety.
>>153612297>We can blame him for bushido bullshit.Sorta, people were killing each other and/or themselves over stupid shit long before he tried to codify it.
