Ps is he evil?
>>153600350One view he wanted to save Rome from corrupt, moronic senators but got killed for doing so.
>>153600350He fucked Cleopatra.I'm not making this up. He had extreme jungle fever and created a son. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesarion
>>153600437Yeah but wasn't that baby not considered legitimate by Roman law and we have no proof he ever acknowledge the child as his own instead making his primary family successor his nephew (who might have been a bit of a Psychopath with how he dealt with stuff including Roman Legions after taken down the legions who sided with Caesar's assassins)
>>153600437>only lived to 13 before getting killed by angry old men having their little roman warshit sucks
>>153601138Blame his mother for being retarded
>>153600437>Cleopatra.>extreme jungle feverCleopatra was basically Greek. In fact her skin was probably lighter than most modern Greeks.
>>153601665The steamy and untamed jungles of Macedonia are treacherous for a trueborn Roman.
>>153600437>extreme jungle feverCleo was a white Greek chick man. Cartoons aren't real history
Do you think he was this unhinged when John Wilkes Booth shot him?
By modern standards practically everyone back then was evil. Julius Caesar certainly committed a lot of genocide.
>>153600350They make him look too old. He was 56 years old when he died, not 75.
>>153600350His intro in The Big Fight was probably his coolest moment.
>>153602419More men should wear mini skirts
>>153602419>>153602692boypussy facing the world
>>153600437So he had sex with Cleopatra AND black chicks?
>>153600437I know two others have already said it, but Cleopatra is a Macedonian Greek. The females of the Ptolemy Dynasty of Egypt were all named Cleopatra in honor of Alexander the Great's sister, who was also named Cleopatra. Did the Greeks ruling over Egypt larp as the Egyptians? Most definitely. Where they black or brown? Most likely no. Afrocentrists actually created a new cope to keep the "Cleo was Black" narrative alive despite that, they say that the Ptolemys had their children from Nubian concubines or something.So no, Ceaser and Cleo fucking isnt jungle feaver, its a Roman and a Greek having a kid, which is as dynamic as as a Englishman and a Frenchwoman having a kid. Also I think the correct term in this case is Desert Fever, there aint no Jungles in Egypt.
>>153600350Many historians are saying he was never real.
>>153600350>Ps is he evil?Na, he's a classic case of benevolent tyrant. He never even wanted to become a dictator or return Rome to being a kingdom. He just wanted to make Rome prosper and clean senatorial corruption and pass down a better republic when died. The Irony of Brutus's paranoia eventual plot against Caesar is that he caused exactly what he thought he would prevent by Killing Caesar. In the aftermath the republic died and the Empire under Caesar's nephew Augustus was born, all caused by Caesar's death. Mark Anthony and Augustus exploited the tragedy and Caesar's popularity to turn the people against Brutus and the conspiring Senators. The average plebian loved Caesar and an attack on Caesar was an attack on the Roman people in their eyes. In a way the Roman Empire wasnt just born out of conspiring machinations of the ruling class, but also by the popular will of the people. Augustus' massive popularity amongst the people as the first Emperor also reflects this.Also Julius's conqurst of the Gauls was frankly a "kill or be killed" scenario. Most people dont realize this but before Rome rose to power, the Italic Tribes were at risk of being whipped out. The Celtic Tribes took over northern Italy, and the Greek kingdoms of south Italy were encroaching north. If no entity like Rome rose to the occasion Italy wouldbve been divided between Greeks and Celts and the Italian people likely a historical footnote
>>153604465You're thinking of Charlemagne. That's the actual conspiracy nutjob theory. That Charlemagne was a composite character.It's all obviously bullshit though. Julius Caesar is extremely exaggerated by Plutarch especially, but denying his existence is asinine.
>>153604465Many historians these days are retards with a stupid agenda. Next thing you know, they'll say that Alexander the Great isnt real, that the Achaemenid Empire of Persia simply magically collapsed on its own and a bunch of greeks conveniently took over in the aftermath of it.
>>153604540Yeah that one is also fuckin idiotic, Charle was the one responsible for ending the Dark Ages of Western Europe and creating the first proper post-Roman civilization. Pretty hard to fabricate a guy like that, especially when he had such a big family and loved killing Pagan Saxons for a living. I guess that tree they loved so much burnt on its own and not by an angry Frank
>>153604540No retard.Most of roman antiquity is little more then fanfiction of another very real empireMuch of it is entirely made up.
>>153600437>He fucked Cleopatra.who didn't
>>153604786And what per se is this other "very real empire"
>>153604786Except it isn't. Because that's absolute nonsense and show you don't know jackshit about what you're talking about.
>>153605075https://stolenhistory.net/threads/how-fake-is-roman-antiquity-part-1-3-unz-review.5573/
>>153600350https://youtu.be/oi_0NLvDff0
>>153605098How does this article deal with the fact non roman sources mentioning the existence Caesar?
>>153607497Like who. Oh and Ceaser isn't a name. Its a station.
>>15360113812 years of getting your dick sucked off(metaphorically) vs 6 months of uncertainty, sucks that he did not grow old enough for the dicksucking to become literal but hey not a bad deal
>>153602692Not all of us have the legs to wear a miniskirt.
>>153601691nah, Wilkes was a butthurt slave owner and an all round loser. If anything The Immortal would have been angry at himself for falling to something as trivial as a gun, but I guess he had to play along with the murder because the US weren't ready to know about his true nature>>153600350>Ps is he evil?he was a power hungry, corrupt tyrant, so yes, but the Roman republic was such a shit show at that point that I can't blame him for that. A man of his time and so on
>>153608353True, Caesar has dame fine legs in the 2D animated movies
The cid
>>153607530...It is a name that became a station.Specifically that of the heir to the throne.
>>153600437Titus Pullo cucked him
good thread, this
>>153600437>He had extreme jungle feverRetard
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>>153600437>Whoa guys did you know -extremely well-known historical fact->Also check out my extreme lack of actual historical knowledge by falling for a pop culture tropeThis post is giving me underage vibes
>>153607530Jewish and Anatolian sources, but most importantly Egyptian ones. That is very inconvenient for this theory, because some of the evidence connected to Caesar and Cleopatra’s son, Caesarion, is in hieroglyphics. His name basically means “Little Caesar,” almost like saying “Caesar Jr.” And Caesarion is not a common name among the Ptolemaic dynasty. That is a problem for the forgery theory, because shortly after antiquity, people forgot how to properly read hieroglyphics. And it is not like the Muslim rulers of Egypt who conquered it could read them either. That knowledge was gone until Napoleon’s expedition to Egypt, the discovery of the Rosetta Stone, and Champollion’s decipherment in the 19th century.So if the argument is that Caesar’s existence was forged during the Renaissance, how exactly did Renaissance Europeans fake supporting evidence in a language they could not read, in a country they did not control, under rulers who also could not read that language?Another problem with the theory is that it treats “Julius Caesar” like one unique mythic name, when it really was not. The Julii Caesares were a Roman family, and there were multiple people with that name or close variants. It is a bit like a modern historian talking about John Smith or Michael Johnson: common-sounding names, but still names that real politicians, soldiers, and officials can have.Roman political history is detailed enough that you can track the careers of many people connected to Caesar who were not world-famous nor have any benefit to the theory whether they exist or not. Like 99.9% of the population probably doesn't know there were several men called Sextus Julius Caesar, only hardcore Roman history buffs and historians would care about this. Why include such useless trivia when less detail makes forgery easier?
>>153609612 Legitimate question who would supposedly gain from Julius Caesar being a historical myth or Forger or who gain by create in the myth of Julius Caesar I created the myth of Julius caesar?You like what is even the point of making this guy's history into some sort of fake history like that? And who would be stupid enough to think that there's some sort of benefit by supposedly fake history in this sort of mythology that never existed if it never actually existed?Not that I believe Julius Caesar isn't real I seen way too much document and connection to major historical events to believe that for a moment .
>>153608400Didn't the comic have a scene at dinner where he's explaining that he didn't blame Booth for his anger and wished he could have helped somehow, but he couldn't reveal himself as immortal and had to leave him to his fate?
>>153609684It's just a dumb conspiracy that's a worse version of the Charlemagne one. The Charlemagne one at least has more to go off of because there were actors in medieval Europe that would have a lot to gain from claiming they were descendants of his, ranging from nobility status to huge land claims.The actual more legitimate Roman conspiracy is that there was no Roman Kingdom period and Rome was originally a form of tribal republic with the Kingdom invented later as a legitimacy myth. There are literally no extant records referring to Roman kings that date to the supposed Kingdom era and only one inscription of "Rex" has ever been found dating to it, and in Classical Latin "Rex" referred to either a king or a priest and said inscription was found in a temple.
>>153601627You know i see this image a lot, i still don't get what the Roman cavalryman is trying to do? Is he gonna grab his hair? Slap him so hard that he pukes blood? Wtf is he doing?
>>153609684I think we've somehow moved from 'historians' who disputed the 'Great Men of History' idea where one individual can matter so much that he can change the course of nations and empires, to them disputing the idea that these men even existed at all. It's like a retardation downward spiral where there was a guy who was basically the protagonist of Planet Earth and people are pretending his well-documented life was entirely forged.
>>153600437>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesarion>Caesarion was the eldest son of Cleopatra, and was the only known biological son of Julius Caesar, after whom he was named. He was the last sovereign member of the Ptolemaic dynasty, and the last pharaoh of Ancient Egypt, ending more than 3000 years of traditional kingship.
>>153600437>jungle feverpepo just be throwing words
>>153600437Why did you say jungle fever? Egypt doesn't have jungles now and I'm pretty sure back then it was known for deserts and making food.
>>153604531>He never even wanted to become a dictator or return Rome to being a kingdom.Yeah, and Marc Antony *just so happened* to find a crown in the middle of Rome
>>153612691>Marc Antony *just so happened* to find a crown in the middle of RomeWhat?
>>153609612Because they faked heiroglyphics all of the time.
>>153611416I think of that pic every time there's a thread about Caesar. We're still living in the doomed world they created.
>people simping for Ceasarion, a literal who nobody that did nothing and died before he was 18Now I've seen everything.
>>153600437>cleopatra>normal sized, even smaller than normal noseget rid of it
>>153600350In Asterix?He's like Ms. Finster from Recess
>>153615261literal who nobodies are the saddest victims of war
>>153615344or Col. Klink?
>>153614035He's talking about the time Marc Antony tried to crown Caesar as King of Rome, tried to put a crown on Caesar's head three times in front of a crowd who loudly rejected the idea, and Caesar himself refused the crown each time.We have no way of knowing for sure whether Caesar and Marc Antony were testing the waters for the idea of making Caesar king if the people were supportive, or whether it was a stunt to reassure the people that Caesar didn't want to be a king, or whether the whole thing was Marc Antony's idea that Caesar didn't know about until it happened. Different people have their own theories, usually depending on how pro- or anti-Caesar they are, but they don't actually KNOW.
>>153615697 I remember Kings and general they made the point of by all practical reasons why would he want to be a king at that point and the dude who was handing him the crown was half naked and might have been a bit drunk for the festival not to mention Julius Caesar had no living children by that point who will legitimate by Roman law Cleopatra baby see claimed was his whenever have gotten accepted by Rome and Julius Caesar wasn't exactly a young man even by those days at that point. Also the fact that he supposedly did I think two or three things in order to gauge the Waters of what they accept me as king and even his fans among the normal people of Romans were like nah that's not needed or bad joke Caesar would say every time he tested it he would have got into reply no that would just be a bad idea and he was reliant on public sympathy and support for political power.
>>153615795Yeah, personally I'd lean towards it being done as a stunt to reassure the people that he didn't want to be king, or that it was entirely Marc Antony's doing, but it's not like there's a provable answer as to what was happening.
>>153601138Had to be done. Even if he never had a single ambition of his own someone would prop him up and use the weight of his name to vie for the throne.
>>153600350Does this count?
>>153604465Are you referring to that dipshit game theory guy that's been getting more and more popular? He isn't a historian, he's a retard.
>>153604591>Charle was the one responsible for ending the Dark Ages of Western Europe and creating the first proper post-Roman civilization.I don't think that Charles The Great was fake, but this is a retarded, ahistoric sentiment and you need to lrn2history.
>>153610748It's not historians who are pulling this shit, it's grifters riding the current anti-science wave to in order to fleece rubes.
>>153609741>There are literally no extant records referring to Roman kings that date to the supposed Kingdom eraRome was sacked by invading Gauls around 390 BC and most of their historical records were destroyed then, so it's possible the Roman kings were entirely mythical and Lucius Tarquinius Superbus is just a story they made up to scare the Roman people into not wanting a king, but it's also possible that at least some of them were real and there's just a good reason there aren't any surviving records.
>>153600350Is Rome the more evil white man than the Americans or German?
>>153620319>Rome more evil?No, because it happened so long ago, and brought so much enlightenment and advancement to the world as a whole. America would be the "least" evil'ish, or second place. They had a short stint of slavery, and colonization of the native americans. Then got lucky after WWII and became a powerhouse as a manufacturer, and then fumbled that ball and got greedy.Germany was in constant state of on and off balkanization states that led to WWI and WWII by getting rid of the Kaiser/Monarchy and unfairly fucking them over after WWI because of Euro hate politics. Nazi Germany can be laid in part to the rest of Europe by gutting the old German Royalty and then just creating cascading power vacuums from a bunch of disgruntled trench warfare ptsd vets.Technically, if we're going to talk about total history as a compounded "atrocities" via the (bullshit concept and standing on the shoulders of our fore bearers) of the liberalized modern lens, Rome is the worst, but "historically culturally" Nazi Germany is the most evil, because of the sheer propaganda that's pushed onto it.Despite Rome crucifying Jesus Christ...
>>153616971>certain historically inaccurate artist self-insertAlright, post historically inaccurate cartoony romans and other tribes.
>>153600437Cleopatra was Greek.
>>153621376now post the visgoths and the ostrogoths hanging out at a hot topic.
>>153600437Ah yes, the famous jungles of Greece
>>153600350He's an interesting figure, because while he was absolutely a power grabber, the people genuinely loved him, likely because the established senators were corrupt assholes who primarily looked out for their own class, to the detriment of the lower classes, and had driven many of the former farmers and farmhands into the cities by replacing them with cheap slave labor, among other things.The fact that they genuinely thought they could just make things go back to how they were by simply killing him, and that the citizens wouldn't be out for the blood of his killers, by labeling him a tyrant is fucking hilarious.
>>153620319>evil white man>Italians>WhiteBen Franklin is ashamed of you.
>>153620697The Romans practiced human sacrifice, my friend.Or as they put it, their highest religious authorities set up festivals for their gods that included executions and people stabbing each other to death during the festivities.
>>153621557So Israel is the true historic successor of the Romans?
>>153604465Many anons, and this is backed up by sointiffic studies and expert opinion, btw, believe you to be a colossal sodomite
>>153621627 Don't go there you'll get this deleted.
>>153621627Right now, Iran's the closest to the Roman Republic, with Saudi Arabia being the closest to the Roman Empire. That's the ball park.
>>153620697>They had a short stint of slaverySlavery is still constitutionally legal and practiced in the US.
>>153622090What?
>>153620697My country's education system is completely fucked, holy shit.
>>153621441You could also make the argument that Caesar took power in self defense. Coming back from the Gaulic campaigns, the Senate and Pompii were likely going to try to fuck him over. There's an interesting discussion to be had about how much of his populist rhetoric was true and how much was just an excuse for grabbing power. I sort of subscribe to the notion that he wanted to set himself up more as an Alexander in the east than a true dictator in Rome, but there really isn't any way to know.
