Are the sweatshop koreans finally freed?
>>153606477Still looks like the computer didn't understand the assignment, chief
>>153606477Panel 1, the guard's tongue melds into his thumbPanel 2/3/4 (The AI joined all these shots into a single shot), the raccoon's face hallucinates when grabbing the donutPanel 5, more hallucination artifacts when people in the diner are knocked over by the guard. Some brief hallucinations when the guard wobbles to the side as well. They also interpret him slipping as laying down ink on the ground (?)panel 6 needs a complete retake, they drew the arrows on the floor and there's two guards, one who's standing still with 3 arms. The bakery desk is also not completely drawn, and the chair in the background looks half erased. Layout of the cafe is completely different.Panel 7/8, the angle the guard falls into the front door at is nonsensical, many hallucinations when he rolls towards the screen.In general it did not follow the storyboards very much. I am going to go with no, korea will remain a sweatshop for now.
WtfIs ai retarded or something
>>153606735Yeah, pretty much.
>>153606477that storyboard looks like it was shit out by a bot too, if anything the calarts shmucks will get shafted first
Still looks better than STEVEN UNIVERSE
>>153606477Maybe after another trillion dollars and restarting five or six other nuclear power plants, and draining the entire world's freshwater supply will finally be able to defeat the evil pencil.
>>153606477this only looks like shit because it was made by a normie with no artistic concepts for how to clean up the mistakes. someone more competent would have run multiple iterations and stitched together the best scenes for a final cut. and gone in and manually edited specific frames with hallucinations. the future will be professionals with an eye for what looks good cutting their process down into a fraction of the time with these tools. which yes, will be sans korean slave labor as well as probably the majority of the crew.
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>>153606477>slop threadat least post a good onehttps://x.com/Markoslavnic/status/2052797538885902418
>>153607291This is... honestly not that bad?
>>153607291not bad actually - some issues with some of animation on the beaks and the dialogue still sounds a bit robotic, but it has consistent designs, character reactions, appropriate framing, etc. and most importantly it actually tells a story instead of just being some 15 second clip of random shit.
>>153607291thread should have opened with this one, god damn
Jeez, chillax, d00ds they're both pretty great. Also AI is the devil
>>153606477Lmao, remember how a few years ago, calarts industryfags on Twitter told you how AI would never get good enough to replace animators? And sure it's not perfect yet but every day there's more progress and remember >YOU WILL BE REPLACED BY AI INDUSTRYFAGSNext up is improving voice acting AI so we can also replace the shitty "celebrities" VA and we'll be free from calarts slop cancer plaging the industry
>>153606477CongratsThe clanker is now good enough to be fired and blacklisted, were it not a DEI hire pushed on us by the African tech bros.
>>153608559>>153606477>cop standing behind the counter>the room the scene is set up in morphs from scene to scene>pathing arrows on the floor, frozen, blinking onlookers>cop bounces off the glass door his ass shatteredLots of peak AI moments that would make it completely useless as a product, no?
>>153606477>>153608363It looks good, but you really see the slob. I have no idea what my brain does to see the slob. Maybe its the imperfections humans add that makes it convincing, maybe its that the animation is too smoth, something is off.>>153608590Yeah its probably all that but on the first watch with half of my brain off, I don't pay attention. But my subconcious probably does.
lookin good
>>153608631The Tom & Jerry movies have to add all those mistakes manually.
>>153608590Useless to top quality shops, directors, and agencies where the price means specificity, attention to detail and control over editing. Enough to fool entry-level clients who don’t know the difference out of spending money on artists. AI images will continue to connote cheapness while undercutting rates.
>>153606681You also forgot that the guard grows a raccoon tail during the arrow chase scene
>>153607291Okay now THIS is when I should start worrying.
>>153607114>manually edited specific frames with hallucinations. You can't do that with AI, retard. AI shits out a final video. You don't have a timeline for your animation software with a background layer vs character layers that you can start hand fixing. Are you proposing they open up Photoshop and start skipping forward one second at a time and redrawing everything (which even then wouldn't work because you'd have to redraw backgrounds to). Trying to fix AI slop would be just as labor intensive as creating it all yourself.
>>153606681You’re right. An animator will have to go in and fix those problems.Now that correction can be fed into the prompt machine and adjust to those issues and the work next time will be even less. This is exactly what I expected AI to provide, animation focused on getting the functional core together to be spliced and improved by human hands. If animation was seen as a tree whittled into a log of varied forms, slices of said tree like a frame, AI can cut the work time down significantly. It was always just another tool, like photoshop, and if anyone remembers the shitfests about that ten years ago, they’ll know where this is going.
>>153609061>you don’t have thingAnd why can’t said AI be built to create manipulable frames to 24 second intervals that can be refed into the machine to adjust for these said hiccups? You’re getting mad at things not being real and acting as if they’re impossible to resolve.
>>153606477That looks like fucking shit, you can see lots of errors and weird frame issues even with just a casual viewing.>>153607291Now this, this is the kind of shit I'm actually worried about. If this was seriously made without additional tweaking from an artist we're probably only a few years out from this being easily available.
>>153606477wait that doesn't even match what happened.and the storyboards are also AI?
>>153606477>it actually draws the motion lines on screenHAHHAHAHAHAHA
>>153606477>one big donut sitting vertically upright uncovered on the counter That's not how donut shops work.
>>153606477The AI is good enough to replace the average TV cartoon and that's all that really matters in an executive's eyes. Hell it might even be better than the average cartoon nowadays. That's not a compliment to the AI but moreso a statement about how cheap and lacking in care modern cartoons are getting now.The other thing of note, to me, is that the AI doesn't seem to know how to translate the boards, but I wouldn't know how to translate it either. Ok yeah, the little coon steals a donut, but the blue arrows in the 6th panel, what exactly is supposed to be going on there? It's also poorly drawn/lacking clarity in the 7th panel but I can at least understand what is attempting to be conveyed there.TL;DR: AI is fake and gay, but so are modern cartoons and the artists that work on them.
There's no direction, no style. The racoon steals a donut and gets chased a little. Visually it's all something that could be done in live action, there's no cartooniness. There's no gags. No raccoon/cashier running through someone's meal and ending up with silly outfits like a fruit hat. No background funnies like the register total saying something funny or gag posters on the shop walls. They could have had the path of the chase mirror a pinball table complete with light up tables as bumpers but they went for a boring figure 8 instead.This isnt something AI can fix, human creativity is lacking here. Honestly I had the same issue with the bubblegum fight scene in the recent looney tunes movie inexplicably set to REM. The characters just went around blandly setting stuff on fire instead of making jokes out of it. Was well animated but not funny.A good cartoon is about more than getting from point A to point B with the least fuss.
>>153607291I think this one is as good as it is in part because the birds are staying in one place with a pretty consistent background. The only major background change is to an extremely iconic location that also isn't likely to be screwed up. Dialogue heavy scenes like this might legitimately be a viable use of AI. Less for it to mess up on while trying to keep track of all the moving parts. OP on the other hand has two very different characters running around erratically, entire setting changes, and a bunch of background characters. The bird one is almost self correcting, likely hallucination points are probably just going to become feathers or clouds anyway.That said, an industry-wide transition to AI only animation will never happen. And if it did happen, you would very quickly have the problem of AI training on AI content and becoming worse and worse quality. Could it become a tool for actual animators instead? Maybe, but not yet. The biggest roadblock is >>153609061. If that's not resolved, AI will never become widespread in animation. And even as a tool, a scene like OP is one where I would expect AI to struggle and actual animators would be necessary from the start, because cleaning up the OP, even with layers, would be much higher effort than just redrawing it.
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>>153607291>>153609401anything that looks good in AI takes hundreds of tweaks to get rightmost impressive thing I've seen yet is the max payne intro remake, at least as far as visuals go.https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1quudgh/i_made_max_payne_intro_scene_with_ltx2/
>>153607291>We've gotten to the point where AI can do Pixar level animation. Yeah RIP 3D animation. But it's also kinda ironic because people in LA gatekept the industry for so long with unions and stuff and now some random joe living in the middle of nowhere in Wyoming can make a cartoon by typing a prompt and doesn't have to ever pay to see an animated film again. The future is gonna have mother's just generating cartoons for their kids to watch. Normies are already shilling that fruit Love Island thing because I hear everyone irl talking about it so idk AI might be here to stay. If it gets better at 2D animation and can replicate golden era cartoons then it might be actually over.
>>153606477The storyboard also looks ai generated.
>>153609600>The AI is good enough to replace the average TV cartoonJust go ahead and make an episode of He-Man for us then.
>>153609345You are aware that 3d animation software can already produce inbetweens when given keyframes without AI, right?
>>153609475>after a slapstick chase with the security guard the raccoon finally takes a big bite of the donut>comedic CRUNCH! sound followed by all his teeth falling out one by one because it's a plastic display piece
>>153606477It made it funnier by making him break a glass door. Something the industry doesn’t do!>>153606929Their storyboards were already vague scribbles most of the time, hard to do worse.>>153610881People fucking hated tweening for the first years, and it did produce some shitty animation.
>>153606477Not good enough. It still makes a lot of mistakes.
>>153610441That's not how AI gens in animation is going to work. What you're going to see is animators inputting keyframes and telling AI to gen X number of inbetweens alongside a general description of the motion desired with the output corrected by hand. Backgrounds are going to be done separately to prevent continuity issues. AI animation isn't going to be Joe Blow in Wyoming telling a magic box what he wants to see and it spitting out a cartoon, it's going to be an animation studio using controlled AI output to animate on ones for the time and cost of animating on threes.
>>153611027that's not going to happen for one major reason:AI tech bros only want to train a model that can do a complete animation all by itself, they do not want to train a model that can do inbetweens on a set of keyframes. limiting the model to doing the dirty work is basically an admission of defeat for them "it can't replace human artists"
>>153609475What’s worse:>AI making an unrealistic donut in a cartoon>industry artists inviting you to be a part of their communal pool of mental illness suckling at the teat of corporate products to feel better>>153611055Who the hell said they wanted to eliminate human artists besides internet trolls You imagine strawmen instead of talking to people you disagree with
Elephant in the room is that the AI companies are still operating at a loss, and if they charged what these services actually cost, you'd end up around the same as what a human would cost. You can call it a cope all you want, but the figures are public.
>>153606477tbf kids are already comsuming slop by the gallons
>>153608559>blacklistI never understood why this was/is a thing. Why would a company care about whether or not a rival hired a bad ex-employee?
>>153611209Because most people misunderstand how a blacklist actually works. There's not an official spooky "do not hire list" that's engraved on every street in California. People can be friends with people from different companies, so simply put if you're a dogshit employee, it won't take long for word to spread, and thus the hiring manager, will throw your resume/portfolio in the trash upon seeing your name. This applies to any industry, but considering how localized the American Animation industry is, it's much more pervasive. (For example, you can get a tech job almost anywhere in the country, animation is pretty much only in California or Georgia).
Why is there no reasonable middle ground on this issue? You will still need artists and writers, you will have to draw expression or in between frames, you will have to vet the result and toil over the product still. What AI will actually do is produce all the tiresome inbetween frames sandwiched by Point A and Point B.
>>153610088People keep forgetting how many fucking tokens its gonna take for 300 attempts. Token costs are increasing as companies all still operate at a loss. You're not going to have this kind of bandwidth forever, and its going to end up being cheaper to hire humans in the first place.
>>153611272Yes, and they're are also forgetting that the data exists for "3d animated pigeons". So if you want to make a film that has a novel character design, it'll take a lot more than 300 tokens, because the model will shit itself far more.
>>153606477>hey it's me, the director. I noticed an error in shot #6 where you included some blue arrows that weren't supposed to be in the final shot. Please remove the blue arrows from the background while keeping everything looking otherwise the same.>oh, you can't? You're fired.
>>153607291oh it's fucking over
>>153611272I've never used any AI except for the craiyon thing we were all playing with a few years ago. Can I get a rundown? What the fuck are tokens
>>153611055What they want is irrelevant. With the current capacities of the models inbetween work is within reach and what is likely to see practical use. But to their credit it means you can replace some of your inbetweeners. An AI model that can do a complete animation by itself is a pipe dream because the extreme micromanaging you'd need to ensure the finished product turns out as you'd like it.
>>153606735AI is not "intelligent" in the human sense; it is a pattern-recognition engine that mimics intelligence, often appearing "stupid" or nonsensical because it lacks true understanding, reasoning, and consciousness. It is essentially a calculator that predicts the next likely word or image based on massive datasets, sometimes producing illogical results if the data is flawed, biased, or nonsensical.Reddit·r/slatestarcodex+3Lack of Understanding: Current AI is not sentient, and as expert Michio Kaku suggested, it behaves more like a non-conscious algorithm rather than a thinking being, causing it to fail at simple common-sense tasks."Stupid" Outputs: When AI gives wrong answers, it is often because it is pulling from inaccurate or "stupid" human-generated data, or because it is simply guessing statistically rather than knowing the truth.Pattern Recognition: It is designed to maximize a goal (like finding the right words) rather than comprehending what it is writing, resulting in what some call "stochastic parrots" or "glorified punchcard machines".It's a Tool: AI is most useful for specialized, data-heavy tasks (like analyzing code or complex data) but lacks the, often mistaken, human-like intuition, making it look "dumb" when it tries to act like a person.Reddit·r/myst+5While some estimate modern AI functions with high-level data processing abilities, it remains a tool aimed at efficiency rather than true comprehension.
make ai do the jobs you hate, not the jobs you want to do. (art)it's all stolen shit anyway... not even the least bit impressive.
WelpIf we get uncensored models as good as these for animation we might get actual porn/lewd cartoon shows that look properly
>>153607130Which AI did this one?Seedance 2.0, or Runwayml?
>>153607130It moves like the shit russian animation mills do. ifkyk
>>153606981>"restarting five or six other nuclear power plants">i'm supposed to view this as equally environmentally damaging as draining the water supplyGtfo boomer
>>153606981Is this a metaphor for depleting all the gay ass mental issues that go into writing and drawing industry cartoons>>153611670Reality doesn't conform to your preferences gay person.
>>153611510not an expert but so correct if i'm wrong.you pay with bitcoin to get these machines to create a scene. Which is mostly why the system isn't profitable. As the AI machine needs to be corrected, it'll require more money to do so. Not everyone can afford the coins and no big investors will trust throwing their money into a coin that isn't going to be worth it. It's like buying animation with chuck e cheese tokens. Sure the machines can give you a good performance, but the machines are designed to get you to spend more coins, and you're left with useless coins if the machine breaks.
>>153607291So yeah, CGI is fucked. What's even more wild is how Disney/Pixar insist that this is their style and they've made it so that they'll never need CGI animators again. While audiences are enjoying more stylized CGI from sony and dreamworks.>>153606477>>153607130But what this tells me is that cartoons need to go back to being "ugly" again. There has become a predictability in appealing animation, the disqualification of design. AI won't be able to copy the style of obtuse designs consistently, even with enough training. Or at the very least, start throwing into the systems designs that will REALLY confuse the fuck out of. Stain the machine's learning skills so it'll throw in some character that's completely different style each time.
>>153611510TLDR is that making and operating these things is not actually cheap, so you have to make an account to use it and only get limited uses a day. often those uses are free because you cant make money off AI sloppa. hence the scepticism - you cant make money off it, so you have little incentive to pay to use it. the company NEEDS there to be demand, so basically they subsidize demand by letting you use it for free, even though functionally doing this has negative utility and just creates debtThey're gambling on this stuff having a use-case by the time that it's mature tech, like how a train line gets built before it can operate profitably, and is intended that the destinations and demand will grow to match the service. the obvious catch is that in this case we're buying a lot of expensive land and building a lot of very expensive rails not just expecting customers, but also still needing someone to invent the train before we can make any money off it. oh yeah tokens are "uses" of the machine.
>>153611191KEK
>>153606477We're so fucked when the goyslop entertainment machine gets better at making goyslop entertainment. Imagine trying to convince the average normie that the destruction of all human culture is a bad thing when it lets them have classics like "Raccoon Gets Chased Through Donut Shop" and "Stranger Things Characters If They Were Fish"
>>153608363>we'll be free from calarts slop cancer plaging the industrySo you'll trade slop for slop and not fix any of the problems, got it.
>>153611510AI is such a trashy scam they had to pivot to the gacha freemium business model to keep it afloat
>>153608363It's amazing, every time this pic is posted, it's accompanied by some third world tier retarded opinion.
Cartoon Network is going to fire Manuel Hernandez, Calvin Wong, Geno Rodriguez, Shakira Pressly, and Baasedeon Lee and they're going to make the next season of we baby bears entirely with AI, and all of you we baby bears fans on /co/ are going to sit through AI generated episodes and you WILL enjoy it
Oh my god korean names trigger the filter
>>153611027Using Ai for keyframes of all things is idiotic. Keyframes are crucial for an animation to look good, you can't just outsource that shit to a machine that fundamentally cannot understand abstract concepts like squash and stretch. Just look at AI interpolation, we've known for years now this shit sucks ass.Your post is nothing more than desperation to find ANY use case case for this useless parlor trick.>Backgrounds are going to be done separately to prevent continuity issues....did you think animators painted the backgrounds along with the characters frame by frame? Good fucking GOD, every fucking AI shill is clueless about everything. I guess you need to be to be impressed by this garbage, but holy shit.
>>153606477I just want it to make my disgusting niche porn.
>>153611869>>153611953>>153612126jesus. all this to let a pollution machine do fun things in our place
What are the good models people are actually using. Because I tried the shit the undergrads movie guy was using with the same prompts and inputed my own drawn keyframes and it generated me an abomination of an animation then told me I have to pay if I want to try again
>>153612337Brother, you are a goddamn retard. You are a pants shitting, rock eating retard. Somewhere out there a microcephalic child who has never had a cognizant thought has raised its head and uttered, "Christ, and everyone thinks I'm the retard." Reread the post and try again.
>>153606477imagine the porn we will be able to create in 10 years
>>153607291The goodfeathers are back?
>>153607291If AI stops studios from making CGI movies then I'm all for it
>>153612337>...did you think animators painte-ACK!!
>>153612572Pojeet get off the internet
>>153612503It'll always lack what sets humans above it. Trained specification and limited work parameters, precision and discipline in crafting through repetition and practice, and creative analytical thinking.It's just an amalgamated "best guess" imitation line of code. When it can reason, or learn, or doubt itself, then I will consider it as a functional tool. Only when it is imperfect.
>>153611510Running public models owned and operated by other people requires "tokens", which is basically a fancy way of dividing up the cost of operating models. It's irrelevant for large companies, though, because they'll almost certainly insist on running this shit off local hardware. It's already piss-easy to set up a local instance of models people made in their basements with a dogshit singular graohics card and produce relatively good slop. The only reason data centers exist is because people are lazy and want thing NOW instead of in 20 seconds.
>>153611249aka the crime of conspiracy
>>153612739>It's irrelevant for large companies, though, because they'll almost certainly insist on running this shit off local hardwareLike Hollywood. So much for those AI bros making crossover dogshit of Hollywood IPs with the tag-line of "Hollywood is Cooked",
