Why did he do it?
>>153610178it’s explained in the comic
>>153610178you should start with something easy little bro. i suggest "the very hungry caterpillar".
maybe his butt hurt
>>153610178Why? He did it thirty-five minutes ago.
>>153610178He was as retarded as his writer.
>>153610178Someone HAD TO
He told you why. Explicitly. To stop World War 3 erupting by introducing an external threat through a false flag attack.
>>153610178What's his story?
>>153610178do what? who the fuck is this? how about instead of being a subhuman 4th world tard you name drop with a link to the wiki of his and explaining wtf you're on about. also stop being a tardo subhuman and assume everyone knows what person this is or cares because you're some autism loser who thinks you just post a pic and go why did he? oh again who is he? what did he do? what are you tard posting no info over and making us go who the fuck is this. sorry not sorry I dont autism memories 50 years of comics so I can make some post about someone from 30 years ago or something going hey why did he?can we purge people with below 100 IQ yet?
>>153611451You need to learn to not let low-effort bait get to you so much>>153610868alan shmuck
>>153610178All extant story continuations aside, how long do you think the "Teleport a fake alien into NYC" ruse would last without a follow up event? 10-15 years? Would Adrian have to make an alien spaceship or something and crash it into Red Square?
>>153610178>>153610190Repressed homosexual.
>>153611451that's Billy, the title character of Billy and the Cloneasaurus
>>153612282People think it requires another big physical charade, but there are a more ways to keep it up with less.Firstly Veidt could have another set of actors pretend to be scientists and bluff that the aliens are no longer chancing a teleportation invasion any time soon as it just risks most of their army dying and leaves them vulnerable to retaliation from Manhattan, who they're aware of from media about him but aren't aware he's left. HOW these "scientists" would acquire this information is a hurdle, but one excuse could be claiming they found the most potent telepath, plugged him into a machine to amplify his abilities but shield him from influence.I mention that last part because the second deception Adrian could do is make smaller budget "amateur" footage he broadcasts through companies he owns until it naturally circulates.Scenes like successfully teleportation of "teleportation stabilizers", "telepathy amplifiers" and terraforming devices that work for a bit on nearby bystanders (actors) and environments (props) before burning themselves out beyond the point of useful analysis due to the shielding they have to resist imploding like the last alien causing them to overheat. All the devices would just be from Veidt's failed experiments copying Manhattan's teleportation, so it looks sufficiently advanced and functional at a glance.(1/2)
>>153611451>do what? who the fuck is this?Peter Cannon, Thunderbolt
>>153610178more importantly, why did he and manhattan exhibit such an incredible display of negligence by not openly resisting and criticizing the status quo?ozy could have ran for president or come up with a scheme decades before, using manhattan's help.
>>153612683To bolster the hoax he could refine the weaponized psychic brain thing causing the above scenes to become false memories and nightmares that trustworthy citizens report really happened. Any inconsistencies of how they were present or aware of something they couldn't have been present for can be hand waved by claims the people affected are latent, sporadic psychics who remote viewed what happened because of the amplifier and large concentration of psychic residue from the aliens. So if they just happen to never have another psychic episode it's because those conditions aren't met.For the cherry on top Veidt could then fund a psychic research department who report that the aliens are attempting to use remote telepathy to control humans instead of having to directly get involved taking over.Then he petitions a psychic defense program that setup shielding devices in major cities which are really just large scale brainwashing devices for not only further alien false flags every few decades but Veidt's overall propaganda.But all this lining up of ducks won't last if say the real psychics start to get stronger from exposure to the grid, become resistant to it and go through a reverse They Live, maybe galvanized by running into Nite Owl and Silk Spectre. The brainwashed civs will assume these people warning of a conspiracy and dismantling the devices are spies being mind controlled by the aliens, the psychics will believe the brainwashed are spies for the conspirator. Conflict and paranoia will stir up and Manhattan would be proved right. Veidt then squid nukes a bunch of places as a distraction to retreat, maybe wash his hands of everything +/- Manhattan showing up and Ligmaing him.(2/2)
>>153612760>ozy could have ran for president Veidt and Blake both make remarks implying they know from experience how useless, intentionally or otherwise, or tunnel visioned most of the people running things are. Eddie went along with it to get his kicks through the system, Adrian avoided it knowing he'd only exhaust efforts that someone would obstruct or undo just to spite the country, the current administration or him personally.>come up with a scheme decades beforeHe admits he was distracted from goofing around as a vigilante early on, and by the time he realized the weight of what was before them because of Blake's provocation he doubted by the time he amassed enough influence and funds that he'd have time for anything but shock tactics before another world war began to stir.>using manhattan's help.Manhattan was a government agent, if Veidt approached him about any attempt to liberate the world from its troubles it would risk it being compromised just as quickly by someone like Blake popping in uninvited same as when he noticed activity near Veidt's island that he'd heard no official report or approval for.
>>153612941>it's not worth it>doesn't trythey're both still negligent and you just explained how manhattan is the most culpable out of everyone
>>153612760Dr Manhattan was already past the point of no return. It's why the Comedian has such a crash out when he shoots the woman in Vietnam.Manhattan could have stopped it he knew it would happen, he could have acted in an instant. It's why Ozy looks dejected when Manhattan leaves he knew Manhattan could have stopped him 30 minutes ago but didn't.
>>153612760Manhattan can't change anything, he has no free will, none of them have free will, he exists in every point in time simultaneously and so all of history has already happenedit's clever, you wouldn't get it
>>153613184>>153613262>no one has free will>manhattan can only be a slave to the capitalists and never be reasoned with>manhattan can't follow anyone else's orders but the governmentyeah i get determinism but if there's no free will or semblance of autonomy then there's no lesson to the story because it means nothing mattersthe sentiment that rorschach is wrong and hating him is a symptom of people refusing to understand he had no part in any of what happened, took the most responsbility, and was punished for it like piggy in lord of the flies
>>153613296>>153613262So it's important to understand that Manhattan being a slave to physics is not saying he doesn't make free choices or that he can't be held responsible for his own actions. Yes he is aware of what his decisions will be and no that knowledge can't be used to change his path, but the actions he takes and his emotional reactions are still his own.He doesn't allow the pregnant Vietnamese woman to be gunned down by Comedian because "physics said I didn't," it was because he had already been a detached weirdo before his powers and now he had lost all connection to and care for humanity. Her death meant nothing to him.This should be made most obvious by Veidt's manipulation of his emotions and the scene with Laurie where he changes his mind about interfering.Also even fucking Rorschach thinks Rorschach is wrong.
>>153612683>>153612834He wouldn't even have to do this much. He could just use his connections to circulate a bunch of fake redacted reports hinting at further incidents that the governments of the world are covering up. The governments deny the events because they're not real, but the more they deny the more people would believe they're legit.It'll buy him 15-20 years, at least.
>>153615957It probably would be efficiently deceptive of him to turn the people on any establishments he felt are outdated or obstructive, he eliminated Jacobi for talking too much and set Rorschach up in one stroke.After the assassinations and riots he could easily setup puppets and backdoors.
>>153610178He is based like that. Only Xanatos could rival his genius
>>153610178He's a non-character.
>>153610178Ego
>>153610178He did NOTHING wrong
>>153610178extreme narcissism, wanted to create world peace with one outlandish impossible gesture even if doing so meant a horrific sacrifice. This is unsubtly suggested by naming himself after the king in the famous poem about the destroyed old statue
>>153618135Yes, he is severely mentally ill
>>153610178Literal God complex, he thought he knew better than anyone just for his final interaction with Manhattan proving he is just another stupid human.
>>153610178idk cuz he wanted to
Would the movie ending of blaming it all on Dr Manhattan have worked?
>>153610178Ego and the writer giving Soviet Union plot armor to make his point that his temporary solution or the Armageddon were the only possible conclusions to the Cold War.
>dr Manhattan is such an op and interesting character that you basically have to make him a depressed apathetic character for him to work otherwise he solves the plot instantly it sucks so much why cant op characters be written and the story still be good?
>>153613296>>153615092the future has already happened, he can't change it
>>153611451You'd be purged too though. Nobody past 100IQ would get triggered by this low IQ bait.
>>153621281It works fine in the movie. The granularity of the comics allowed Moore and Grant to seed the story with all kinds of background noise and little hints about what Veidt was up to, including the entire Black Freighter story
>>153621340If he had cared about what was going on, he'd have prevented it from happening at all
According to the HBO show he was just a big stupid doodoo head the whole time.We got im' boys.
>>153621281It makes it too obviously the USA's fault. Even if it looked like he fucked up his homeland, everyone would see it as USA opening Pandora's box, paying the price for playing god and making it everyone else's problem too. Other nations would more likely fear or blame the USA for creating the problem, not put aside differences with them.
>>153610296Ozymandias might be the most realistic depiction of an evil character in fiction.Imagine having the power to commit one of the biggest atrocities you can possibly imagine against people you consider yourself superior to. And not only would you have the ability to completely get away with it, but have a canned moral justification for your decision that might be able to convince the few people that find out you're the one who did it after the fact. Now instead imagine it's not you with this power, but the most egotistical and self-righteous cunt you've ever met. See how believable it is?
>>153612760It really is amazing how many people are filtered by the simplest themes of Watchmen. Rorschach isn't the bad guy for investigating Veidt or for publishing his journal, he's just a man who, like Veidt, hasn't thought his whole plan through. Veidt is conversely not the good guy, as the comic both implicitly states through the pirate comic and explicitly through Manhattan that Veidt hasn't stopped nuclear war altogether, and has himself committed the massacre of millions he was so concerned about. The whole point of Rorschach's journal in the end is that with Manhattan gone, there's no predicting the future, and no knowing what Rorschach's journal will actually do.
>>153610178He thought he is above everyone. Like Alexander the Great he thought he has to do that to get his wish.
>>153610178For lulz
He did NOTHING wrong!
>>153624105Justice for this nothing
>>153610178Lex Luther does what he wants to do.
Rorschach’s journal being published by the New Frontiersman might actually help Veidt’s plan last longer, even if it’s ultimately going to fall apart somewhere done the line. Why? Because in the real-world the legacy media will intentionally ignore a story and let fringe sources publish the truth, only to then cover them reporting “conspiracy theories.” Veidt would manipulate the media even better than the powerful in our world.
Veidt as President is an interesting idea, since he could’ve easily beaten anyone put against him without having to steal it (which he could also do easily). And with no term limits he could essentially run the US like a monarchy and perfect society in a legal way. Even Rorschach might have voted for him, not because he likes Veidt but because he was a costumed adventurer and it’s better to have one of your own in there.
>>153624135More like Lex is a bitch compared to Xanatos and Ozymandias. Ozy actually won against a literal god, Lex meanwhile ends up in prison for it or controlled by Brainiac/Darkseid on the weekly.https://youtu.be/w15KWBKTfRQ
>>153611451You seem upset, anon.
>>153624347And he would have done great as President>>153624135Luthor is good but he is too arrogant and that always causes him to mess up in the end
>>153624272This was actually a plot point in one of the Ultraman shows. A reporter got ahold of the truth. So instead of having the guy killed, the big bad organization published the truth to every tabloid in Japan, before he could get it out. So it just became laughable conspiracy theorist rambling that no one would take seriously.
>>153622282Unless I misinterpreted your post, it is known, at least by the reader, exactly what Rorschach's journal does. It's why the Doomsday Clock strikes midnight after the newspaper kid finds the journal, Oz's plot is discovered and nuclear Armageddon wipes out humanity.
>>153610178In the pirate story which parallels the events in the broader narrative, the Crimson Corsair fears a pirate invasion which would never have came, and ends up killing some of his own countrymen before becoming one of the pirates he feared and hated.I think this is meant to imply that nuclear war was not actually going to happen in the world of Watchmen, and instead Ozymandias grew so terrified of it because of the news cycle that he ended up causing exactly the disaster he wanted to avoid.I think this also fits with the titular theme. "Who watches the watchmen?" The title is about how these superhero characters operate without any accountability and how dangerous that is.So Ozymandias's plot is the final, most dramatic example of that. This super-rich, super-genius goes and kills millions and no one can stop him or hold him accountable. Except maybe somebody like Rorschach, who's watched, more or less, by his own incorruptible code of ethics
>153611451This is one of the funnier posts I've seen. Imagine being on the comics board and not recognizing Ozymandias.He could have just not clicked on a thread of a topic he knows nothing about
>>153612282I don't think anyone, even Veidt, could completely hide how he completed the attack. And with Rorschach's journal being out there and being presumably the only major account, and one which is very specific, the feds would probably figure out it was Ozymandias's scheme within a year or two.Of course this is playing up the realism of the world of Watchmen, playing up the deconstruction.But Watchmen is an out-and-out superhero world, even without most superheroes having powers, Ozymandias is still a ridiculous character who catch bullets and accomplish insane bullshit. So there is a reason to believe he might actually have covered every loose end.
>>153612760This isn't how Moore viewed Watchmen. He intentionally wrote Rorschach as both the main character and the most heroic in the narrative. He's a deconstruction of how insane and asocial a character like Batman or the Question would have to be, but he isn't supposed to be a villain.I think Moore might have said here or there how it surprised him how many people just loved everything about Rorschach, instead of viewing him as a complicated and nuanced character, but he definitely didn't write him as a villain.There are some retards online who hate Rorschach. I don't know why. Maybe they view him as right-wing or whatever. Those dumbasses don't know what they're talking about and hide behind 'media literacy' as a front to pretend they're actually smart and not so politically-biased that they can't like a cool character who does some bad things.
>>153610178He's a faggot
>>153610178bump
>>153625185It doesn't strike midnight though, it just creeps forward again.Ultimately it doesn't matter what happened to Rorschach's journal, the point is that man will eventually destroy itself and even massive desperate actions like Ozy's can only push back the clock.It simply evokes the question: how long would the peace need to last to be worth the sacrifice?
>>153625512>Which would never have come Oh we're just making shit up now and also ignoring that every chapter character is reflected in the corsair not just ozy
>>153625705If you genuinely think Moore considered anyone in Watchmen heroic you need to never offer your analysis of a comic ever again
>>153627207Heroic =/= is always 100% a hero. Any character can act heroic, a supervillain can be heroic. Rorschach acts heroic in the ending, that's the fucking intent.You're just a retard who can't understand that not everything in a fucking binary
>>153627198Nigger, did you read the fucking book?The whole end of the pirate story is about how the Crimson Corsair realizes that the pirates were never going to invade his home island and he killed people for no reason.
>>153627462That implies Nuclear War wasn't as inevitable as Ozy believed.Actually I didn't realize it until now. Ozymandias had no idea if his plan would worked. He based it off calculations and carried it out but he wasn't actually sure it would work. For some reason I thought it was implied he knew it would work 100% where Dr Manhattan is implying everything was pointless verified by the Doomsday Clock and how Crimaon Corsair ends.
>>153627190TL;DR Oz's plan fails and everyone gets nuked.>It doesn't strike midnight thoughYes it does. What version do you have? In my copy (link spoilered below) at the end of every chapter it shows the Doomsday Clock advancing and once Rorschach's journal is found at the very end of the book, the clock strikes midnight and is covered in blood.On top of that, the final chapter of the book is not subtle at all with its hints towards the coming nuclear catastrophe. The alien Oz spawns in NYC kills millions of people at midnight, the first word anybody says in the last chapter is "midnight", there are huge posters about a band called Pale Horse everywhere, Seymour walks past graffiti warning people to "Watch The Skies" (where you would drop nukes from, of course), and at the start of the chapter when it shows the teleportation aftermath, a bunch of newspapers on the ground say "WAR?". Some may say the newspapers are clearly referencing the present international hostilities in the book, but by the last arc of the comic it is pretty obvious that they are really alluding towards what will happen once Oz's plot is found out.https://www.walmart.com/ip/Watchmen-Paperback/3117534289?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=101094067&adid=22222222222000000000&wmlspartner=wmtlabs&wl0=e&wl1=o&wl2=c&wl3=10352200394&wl4=pla-1103028060075&wl5=66754&wl6=&wl7=&wl10=Walmart&wl11=Online&wl12=3117534289_10001113429&wl14=watchmen%20comic&veh=sem&msclkid=5ddc520eded4169dd967380c8ff541ef&gclid=5ddc520eded4169dd967380c8ff541ef&gclsrc=3p.dsAnother link which doesn't contain the bonus content in the copy I own: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwJ8DKxJd6g3Mkw4c293LVczSTA/view?pref=2&pli=1&resourcekey=0-NfoV-rN9SFvsK-ass9fIjw
>>153628612>it is pretty obvious that they are really alluding towards what will happen once Oz's plot is found out.Even if Oz's plot isn't found out, the geopolitical tension pushing towards nuclear war is still there. That's why Manhattan says "It never ends". Once the alien threat dwindles in people's minds, they'll turn back to destroying each other.
>>153625705>There are some retards online who hate Rorschach. I don't know why.Because they think Moore hates Rorschach.
>>153624350supersue always has to win so luthor only gets to shine in shit like red son.
>>153624272The Watchmen world seems like a bad end type of world where the bad guy keeps getting breaks. Kind of like our world, I guess.
>>153631255>supersueWhat?
>>153610178Read the comic
>>153621431okay then watchmen is an extremist determinism parable that concludes with amoral nihilism. nothing we do matters. back your bags, folks. we're done here. we have to blame humanity, not a ruling class of people who make decisions about the economy and the working class's lives, and we certainly can't glean from a story about comic book heroes that anything we do matters.ignore the part about there being no story without rorshcach taking the initiative to figure out what's going on in the first place. rorschach being the impetus of the entire fucking story? i guess it doesn't matter.
>>153628085>That implies Nuclear War wasn't as inevitable as Ozy believed.Which it probably isn't.All we see that seems like hard proof is that Nixon considers what the effect of nuclear war would be when the USSR amasses their army by Europe, everything else is just the media's spin.There is no other reason to believe that war is genuinely inevitable. Or, if war were to happen, if it would go nuclear.That was my whole point, I think the Crimson Corsair story is meant to say that war isn't necessarily going to happen
>>153632817What if he did? Not everyone like us are smart!
Did anyone try eating the squid? Like, just a taste? If I were there, I'd try it. I might get psychic powers.
>>153618135Not only that, but Dr. Manhattan called out on his shit that humanity will find a way to backslide into being hateful cunts again, even if Manhattan's future sight is blocked.>"In the end?"
>>153635318I think Ozy mentioned that the flesh detoriates very quick. If i remember it correctly, than this means it starts really quick to stink and looking like rotten flesh.You probably will never find one who tried to eat those Colossal squid that they find on the shores neither.
>>153612282Kinda hard to tell. People quickly lost fear of Corona infections. When we look at the USA, since 9/11, people still fear muslims while the attacks being less and less common or big. Or fear Iran that never openly attacked any US citizin. But still it isnt as paranoid as between 2001 and 2009.When you look at the past fear of communists or now the fear of liberals, woke and LGBQ+, the possibility is high that the fear still could be present for another 20 years.I guess it can swing both ways. But Ozy probably has to create some reminders. Or push the goverments into keeping the alert high that dribbles down into the public.
>>153625635I dont think that goverment agencies will figure that out. They are not like Columbo and it wasnt an inside job like JFK. He was completly outside of the system.The only part that really can uncover this is when SilkSpectre or Nightowl say something or Rorschachs journal really is published and believed.Kinda like 9/11 is very mysterious.
>>153612683>>153612834Thats an interesting point. This could really be something that Ozzy could come up with. But i would let him make something less complicated, since the big stunt already happened. Too many involved and too many risky moves.
