Do you like it when comics try to make sense of costumes within their worlds, when they think beyond "make something recognizable that's easy to redraw??
>>153616689No. It just makes it stupider. >why do you think…>I wear a TARGET on my chest?tryhard and insecure. same mentality as in the MCU when the characters laugh at the name Otto Octavius
>>153616756This. Creativity and research are tryhard and insecure.These are superhero comics. You're supposed to be as unimaginative and mindless as humanly possible, selling total garbage to retards for a quick paycheck. Otherwise, you'd work in another medium.
>>153616912>creativity>who pumps the tires on the batmobile?
>>153616689If anyone read Daredevil comics please let me know, but I was under the impression that Daredevil at no point is aware of what color his costume is. That detail has always been funny to me.
>>153616689No. In fact I hate it. A lot. It's always done by some cynic desperate to hid how embarrassed they are of their own hobby.
>>153616689Almost never.
>>153616689I like it but it depends on the execution. Like we don't need an explanation for why Superman wears tights outside of his pants or why Powergirl got a boob window. I like how invincible did it where starting superheroes look for something iconic that people can remember them by. MHA got something similar with the main class' costume designs. It doesn't hurt to have some explanations that make sense tho. Batman wears black cuz he blends in with shadows.
>>153616756>same mentality as in the MCU when the characters laugh at the name Otto Octaviusyou would laugh too if a guy named octavius suddenly got 8 limbs
>>153616689Yeah, sure
>>153618452>Batman wears black cuz he blends in with shadows.actually, dark grey or navy blue blends better in low-light conditionspure black would look like a shadow in your typical urban environmentyou could argue that looking like a living shadow for psychological warfare balances out the slight reduction in stealth but we go back to>Do you like it when comics try to make sense of costumes within their worlds,
>>153618467That was even a joke in Spider-Man 2>Huh. Guy named Otto Octavius gets eight arms. What are the odds?
>>153618535generally joking about dumb names is practically a marvel tradition, in any casehalf the roger stern run can be summarized as>hey stupid-man, where did you come up with that name?>laugh it up spider-man, you will be the stupid one when I triumph
>>153616756>when the characters laugh at the name Otto Octavius>>153616955>who pumps the tires on the batmobile?What does that have to do with costume design?
>>153618487In that case then yea.
>>153617033I mean. i'm pretty sure his original suit is made out of his father's Boxing getup. which he would have seen when he still had sight. so he would probably be at least somewhat aware. no idea about his red suit though.
>>153619553How is a blind man able to buy red cloth? Inconceivable!
>>153616689yes
>>153618663I'm pretty sure that refers to the comic where they tried to justify Batman using a gun in his original apperence while also answering several other "questions".
>>153616689I think Daredevil should have his old anything goes silver age billy club with the smoke bombs, high tech computer, etc.
>>153618663>What does that have to do with costume design?the general argument is that trying to create an in-universe argument to explain something designed for an out-of-universe purpose is a fools errandpower girl has a boob window because sex sells, thats the real reason and we all know itsome writers think that it makes no sense in-universe and so create reasons why power girl would want to show cleavage, like being a deliberate attempt to distract her enemies or some other such reasonthis is related to >when the characters laugh at the name Otto Octaviusbecause an 8-armed guy named octavius was created purely for the out-of-universe reason that it makes the villain more memorable when they have a name that alliterates and is inexplicably appropriate to their characterbut while the former is not necessarily played for laughs, the writer might think its a genuine concern that power girls logo are boobsthe latter is usually a result of writers just putting the audiences thoughts into words, it is a bit strange for half of new york to have alliterating names
>>153616689>I couldn't think of a symbol of my own>So I put a hole insteadNo, its stupid and the wrong kind of 2deep4you.Also, I hate it when people mock the spandex and tries to put superhero in "praticool" clothes. Like bro, most superheroes are working classes, where the fuck do they get the money and the designer to buy that fancy colored leather vest? Do they buy one everytime its damaged?
>>153616689To be honest, no. Mainly because 9/10 it just leads to generic military slop. A character design that's memorable and tells you what you need to know about the character. Is always preferred in my book over something a 'real hero' would wear
>>153616689It depends. Honestly some people will take something like Luke Cage's tiara (HEAD! BAND!) and try to do something interesting with it. Other people will see that and try to make something edgy out of it. Like he pulled it off his dead mate and wears it in his memory. Joker's smile in The Dark Knight is the perfect example of that. Its not enough that his face is disfigured into a clown-like visage. He has to have grotesque scars in the shape of a smile. But then you have the most supurfluous shit like Spider-Man's web pits and suddenly it has to be some sort of cape that lets him glide or some tacticool shit for what's ultimately just a design choice.
>>153616689No. In fact, I think the appeal to realism in terms of costume design is actually hollow because that mentality is the same one that causes artists to depict the past as this gray, dirty, gritty boring place with no colors at all. When in reality, people, when given the chance, will dress fancy and extravagantly. Even in real-life military history, the main reason modern people are not as fancy as in the past is because of camouflage. Camouflage functionally does not exist and is useless in superhero comics, so superheroes should dress as fancy as they want.
>>153621322is that a snail on top of the temple?
>>153621322I always cringe at this image because this isn't true. Rome and Spartacus both had colour. Plenty of Medieval era shows had colour, like, I dunno, fucking Merlin. If you mean films, maybe.
>>153616689>I dwew extwa winkles das badass
>>153616955Animated made it work since there was a whole episode about the guy who made the batmobile lmao.
>>153616955His name was Harold and to this day he's the only bad guy Bruce has successfully reformed and that's including Jason Todd. R.I.P.
>>153616689Beyond adding some slight creases or wrinkles to show fabric I'm against making any superhero or villain's costume 'realistic'. As it is I already feel like the whole premise of superheroics have been watered down by denigrating the very idea of a costume these days, I don't want to see them made 'realistic'.
I'm conflicted on this.On one hand heroes wearing tights is just a convention of comic strip pamphlets started by The Phantom and there's no real in-Universe reason for all the hundreds of men in tights running around in the worlds of Mavel and DC. But I also dislike when funnybooks about superheroes try be realistic and they make Batman wear giga-high tech armour or shitty hockey pads. A lot of superhero costumes look really bad. I think comic book costumes should look for insiration from actual fashion, graphic design and different real life uniforms like military and police. Rule of cool should prevail over realism as well.
This thread kinda explains why superhero comics are in dire straits. If the readers are like this, the genre is fucked from ever being worthwhile.
>>153616689Always. Shit's cool to think about.
>>153616689Nah
>>153621322You're conflating consideration with realism with a perceived realism by the masses, which I think those people do as well.
>>153626080This
>>153627772I changed my mind
>>153628539So have I
>>153628539No I didn't
>>153621417That's the comics' message you moron.
>>153622956Batman is about the only hero who can have a tacticool costume and get away with it.
>>153622956Making sense of them within their worlds does not mean 'realistic'.
>>153631100Neither did I
>>153632766Are you gonna keep doing this?
>>153616689>Do you like it when comics try to make sense of costumes within their worlds, when they think beyond "make something recognizable that's easy to redraw??Literally never seen it happen once where it wasn't an uninspired, sloppy attempt to conciliate irreconcilable things. The thing is that if you want a costume to make sense then the design HAS to be utilitarian, which leaves no space for the things that make those costumes effective/iconic in the first place (most of the time). Picrel is a good example of this, though it lucked out and ended up looking pretty iconic anyway (since it shows he's blind still).Because this would obliterate most costumes, they never actually fully go into this direction, so they end up mixing the cartoonish aesthetics with realism/tacticool nonsense and because it never commits to either it ends up being insincere.I like the pic you used because it's actually quite far from this, it's just a wrestler outfit. I love it when they incorporate wrestling stuff lol
>>153631209No it especially sucks on Batman because he is ostensibly supposed to be some kind of monster or night creature to the superstitious and cowardly criminals of Gotham. When he comes waddling out puffed up with tac gear like Arkham Origins it's utterly absurd for anyone to be terrified of him or asking what he is when you can see he's a guy in fucking modern gear.
>>153633757This costume is so much better than any of the subsequent costumes in the show. The reveal when he finally has the red suit is incredibly disappointing.
>>153633933>he is ostensibly supposed to be some kind of monster or night creature to the superstitious and cowardly criminals of Gothamright, because gray spandex and bright yellow belts are terrifying
>>153633945Agreed, that red suit is exactly what I'm bitching about. They didn't commit to the grounded realistic thing (would end up just being the black costume + a bulletproof vest lmao), but didn't commit to retarded comic aesthetics either, so you get this ugly middle groundPlus there was something wrong with the mask of that suit
>>153633976It can look scary.
>>153633976Well yeah plain gray tights can blend into the shadows of his cape way better than some bulky padded bullshit with ten thousand pads and straps on it
I find it funny they all slowly become riot suits
>>153634009it's the cape and ears that make it work. you could use zur-en-arrh colors, keep him in shadows and it would still work because the silhouette is the important part of batman's look
>>153616689I love it. it's like a James Bond thing in Batman Begins.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ezibzn6K9Y
>>153633757>I like the pic you used because it's actually quite far from this, it's just a wrestler outfit. I love it when they incorporate wrestling stuff lolMost superhero suits are wrestling outfits.
>>153633988The Charlie Cox DD suit probably should've been black from the beginning, it never looked good in red. The Affleck movie made the suit oxblood leather, so the red colour actually makes sense because that's just the material.
