I don't think there's been a show where the new writers have missed the point of why it was funny, more than modern SpongeBob.
Forced animation
the movable hole visual gag is fine but those faces are awful
>>153623387SpongeBob is now a Spumco colony
it screams of higher ups demanding the animation team make the expressions more wacky so they can milk a new meme>"THE INTERNET LOVES THE CHICKEN SPONGEBOB AND THE SAD SPONGEBOB POSE! JUST DRAW SOME SHIT SO IT HAPPENS AGAIN!"
>>153623387Old spongebob's humor came from the writing, modern spongebob's humor tries to come from the visuals. Not that old spongebob never had visual gags, but the core humor of the show was writing-driven. It's why the modern show feels so off, it's literally a completely different approach to the humor.
I always wonder with things like this regarding the voice actors for long running shows. Along with Simpsons and Family Guy, they gotta notice that there's something off or different about the new episodes since they now have new writers, showrunners, storyboard artists etc. Are they just professional and read their lines or do they suggest changes based on their experience with the character?I think particularly with Seth Macfarlane, having created his shows and voicing half the cast, having to go in for recordings and read out things he had no hand in making , isn't that weird?
>>153624354SpongeBob has a couple of new writers but a lot of them have been working on the show since the very beginning.
>>153624074No
>>153624354>Are they just professional and read their lines or do they suggest changes based on their experience with the character?Most VAs either don't care enough to bother, or they're too afraid to rock the boat. Voice acting is competitive, and even known actors like Tom Kenny aren't irreplaceable - there is always someone out there who can do a reasonably passable Spongebob voice.
Spongezoomers will crucify you if you think having a different wacky face on every frame is excessive.
These animators would do better as comic artists. The expressions are well drawn but the pacing is fucked. And everything's still at a sitcom angle so I'm skeptical they know more than drawing wacky faces anyway.
>>153623387NuBob feels like it's primarily a gag focused show, where they just take a general concept (riding the bus, silly gorilla costumes, going to the laundry mat) with very little in terms of actual plot. Sure stuff like Rock bottom and no weenies allowed revolved around a lot of gags, but it felt like a real conflict spongebob was trying to overcome, there was more substance than generic cartoon concept #1248233 that you could find in any golden age one
>>153624015not a real thing
>>153623387Modern Simpsons writers?
What's the budget on this shit?
>>153624076Yeah, and the faces/visual gags are funnier in the golden age because they have CONTEXT in the story and are memorable because of that.When you see SpongeBob do Looney Tunes bullshit in the new episodes, you probably can't even tell which specific episode it's from.
>>153626656The face you posted in particular wouldn't be nearly as memorable if the whole episode was spammed with wacky faces, so it wouldn't be able to stand out.
>>153623387I fucking hate Ian V and these cunts
>>153623387The showrunner is an animator who wrote a famous episode of the first seasons. “Writer” just seems to be “person who tells the artists what to do” in your vocabulary.>>153624072It was always that, from the same network trying to recreate its big success.>>153624076The old episodes could’ve had better animation and then they would seem like a different balance.
>>153626656You’re privileging nostalgic adults.>>153626715You can flip the framing and say that fans were desperate for more cartoony faces and obsessed over the few there were and now the show is delivering on their desires.Your attitude: “if I feed my kids unflavored gruel they’ll appreciate the occasional blueberry.”
>>153626919Jannies please ban this guy.
>>153627063Have you been brutally owned young sir?
>>153624074people keep saying this but i don't see it, is more like the new guys have zero talent and legitimately think this is comedy.
>>153624074>>153627145It’s the reverse, executives demanded on-model cartoons. But you want to believe you’re a free spirit with your own opinions and weren’t molded by their demands as a baby.
Why are people here and everywhere so quick to defend modern SpongeBob’s extremely forced wacky animation? People act like you’re wrong to have any critique on it just because there was “effort” put into the drawings. But it hurts the comedy, its just kind of annoying and isn’t in the spirit of what made the show so appreciated in the first place.Both can be true:>the show has a considerably higher amount of effort put into the animation and expressions than any other show currently airing, and is the only cartoon right now that bothers to embrace thisAnd>the characters being off-model 90% of the time is distracting and annoying, and doesn’t really serve a purpose to the comedy because if everything is always off model then nothing ever really leaves an impactA lot of the time too, it goes beyond simply being “off model”, and the timing of the animation still isn’t anything to write home about. Why do people act like you’re an asshole for saying anything bad about this? Who do I blame, autistic YouTubers?
>>153627224Didn't Hillenburg want 90% of the drawings to be on-model, so the 10% remaining would be used when necessary, and stand out more?
>>153627632Even if it wasn’t “Hillenburg’s rule” it’s just basic comedy 101. Just having the characters always look wacky isn’t funny, but having them pull an unexpected wacky face is.It’s the difference between having a character just constantly farting and making fart sounds in a desperate play to get a laugh vs. a single well-timed and unexpected fart joke that actually lands.
>>153626898I mean now it's being run by John K acolytes
>>153627632That was made up by one of the worst artists on the show. >>153627714Where is this comedy 101 taught? Animation twitter, by nonartists?You lack awareness that they serve an expressive purpose, expression isn't a “surprise” unless the character leaps out of the bushes.>>153627755Its always had a large amount of ex-spumco. If they're running the show now instead of executives isn't that a good thing?
>>153623387The faces I don't mind, its how flat everything looks.We shift through like a dozen different facial expressions but it feels like the scene should have changed camera angles or maybe beough things closer/further.Also didn't feel like we're still focusing on us being underwater, but maybe if I could hear the audio there might be enough water sounds to help with that illusion.
>>153623387the hole getting kicked was mildly humorous until it became pong
>>153623387You can definitely tell Spongebob has been on for far too long. The animation style's transition to much wackier looking designs is just as jarring as it was for older Hanna-Barbara and Warner Bros. cartoons.
>>153623387Why is the pacing so fucking bad. What are they immitating Ren and Stimpy or fucking Quackula.
NuBob is no accident. I feel like the modern writers knew what made the show so great initially but they also know that none of them are as talented of showrunners as Hillenburg was so they pivoted the show in a completely different direction and basically made it a different kind of show altogether, which isn't necessarily a bad thing
>>153628456They're stalling for time because they can't fill 11 minutes anymore. One of the main symptoms of seasonal rot.
>>153623387The problem isn’t the faces themselves. The problem is they’ve been running this style into the ground for a decade now. It was an acceptable direction to go in with decent animation to back it up circa 2017, but there’s no humor in the unsurprising and repetitive and the animation is clearly cheaper now than it was then.Hmmm, I wonder why Spumfags are permissive of NuBob being a formulaic mass-produced Ren & Stimpy clone as if all they want is to laugh and clap at retarded faces and care about nothing else. HMMMM.
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>>153624074We've been over this SpongeBob has wacky faces because this is one of the last cartoons where the storyboarders have creative freedom.
>>153631102It's actually cool that a cartoon this massive is allowed to have its artists go crazy with their drawings. You would think Paramount would force the crew to keep things as uniform and cost-effective as possible since SpongeBob prints money regardless of quality, but nope! One of the most visually ambitious cartoons being made today, even if >>153627224 is also right about said ambition being a little misguided most of the time.
>>153631102It feels like they're desperate to get meme'd on the level seasons 1-3 had.
they try to make nods to old jokes but end up ruining them by shoving them down your throat instead of coming up with original jokes.the show should have died after the first movie.
>>153631564*second movie
>>153631564that image reminds me how i don't like how they just put land animals but give them vaguely fishlike features
>>153623387>Jingling Keys: The Series
>>153626919>You can flip the framing and say that fans were desperate for more cartoony faces No, because the main appeal of Spongebob has always been the jokes. The writing.
>>153633058According to… a few random people on the internet who want to be cartoon writers?
>>153633091According to even these new seasons constantly referencing the actually funny seasons
>>153623387Spongebob was always just a cartoon you put on for your younger sibling while you waited for Fairly Oddparents or Danny Phantom.
I don't like how modern Spongebob relies on "meme faces" so much to the point where they basically -become- the show's humor and not the writing. It also relies way, way too hard on old jokes, like making Bubble Bass a main character to fulfill a "comic book guy" slot or bringing back that one seabear as a suave doctor, basically just pointing and saying "lol remember the seabear?!"
>>153623387Is the face animation there to distract from the cheap robotic low movement cg of the body?
>>153634335Wylde Pak is a cartoon with better comedic timing and silly faces that generally feel like they ADD to the writing rather than distract.
>>153636572I'm actually gonna miss this show...
>>153637270Is it dead already?
>>153623387clone high reboot is way worse than spongebob by a long mile.Then entire point of the original show was to be a parody of teen dramas and the reboot literally became the thing they were mocking.
The final episode will an hour long, and it’ll be full of outrageous shit. Sandy will be cuckolding Spongebob with every single celebrity guest that’s ever been on the show (even the dead ones), with the entire episode just being Sandy getting fucked one by one while Spongebob just sits in the corner, crying as he jerks off and eats a Krabby Patty.The B-Plot will be Patrick becoming transgender, then kicking Squidward in the balls nonstop. No cutaways or anything, it’s literally just Patricia (MtF Patrick, reusing the name from a previous episode) kicking Squiward in the balls while screaming about how he needs to check his cis male privilege. Every single citizen of Bikini Bottom will take his side, especially the celebrity guests who are fucking Sandy.It ends with the Spongebob characters insulting the viewers for being such fucking idiots fir continuing to keep them on the air, then they have a massive orgy right in the middle of the Krusty Krab before vomiting all over each other and slicing their throats. The loud Chocolate guy pokes his head in and yells, “CHOCOLATE!”, because “LOL REMEMBER WHEN THAT JOKE WAS RELEVANT? XD”. Also, he’s getting raped by Mr. Krabs right outside the Krusty Krab. Then Patchy the Pirate walks on screen, waves his hands, and says, “That’s all, folks!”The next 40 minutes are just the writers giving up: videos of them shitting on each other, having a huge orgy while covered in shit, footage of people getting shot in the head, footage of babies being skinned alive and fucked, etc. You name it, they have it all. The final 10 minutes are just Vincent Waller high as balls on every drug imaginable, screaming into the camera about how much he hates his life before pulling out a shotgun and blowing his fucking brains out all over the wall.It’ll end up being so viewed and talked about, that it renews Spongebob for another 10 seasons.
>>153623387This should've ended literal decades ago...
>>153635001Gumball has the same problem, they're too aware of internet screencaps
>>153623387THIS SUCKS!
>>153631564If that’s Patrick, then who’s that?
>>153623387Damn, it's forced meme face after forced meme face. They should watch season 1. He had normal faces until something happened, then the face was exaggerated. It's the punctuation that makes it work. Doing it all the times is like writing. like. this. It. gets. annoying. quick.
>>153623387>>153641305https://youtu.be/ifaoKZfQpdA
>>153632735Some of them are just stylized real fish except for the Sea baboon (which appears to be a shrimp like the sea monkey), the sea bear, and the snakehead fish despite there already being sea snakes.The closest thing to hippo fish is the blue tang hippo.This reminds how Hillenburg didn't want a sea hare in the show until an artist show him the realife counterpart.
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>>153634335Fuck off
>>153624470Their denial is crazy
>>153639419Gumball's meme faces become funny in a meta sense when you realize no one is actually using them. Not even in an ironic way. Just out of sheer principle, no one wants to run around acting like an IP's unpaid marketer.
>>153639419If nothing else, I appreciate that NuBob's expressions utilize actual squash-and-stretch cartooning and not simply slapping on an internet meme on Gumball/Darwin templates.
>>153624470>Spongezoomers
>>153645734
>>153623387>>153645734>>153647548This is giving me a headache...
>>153647548TikTok and YouTube has ruined a generation of children
>>153624015I've already seen it tear /a/ apart so it'd be nice to see it do the same to /co/.
>>153631102The digital animatic transition also created an expectation that storyboard drawings go onscreen and eventually online, and might be used in promo. Panel drawings individually were not as precious when boards served as behind the scenes layout guides just for the sweatshop and artists had the leeway to focus on filmcrafting that complements the writing.
SpongeBob has gotten too self referential and meta for its own good.
>>153650327I adore the S1 colours, so much calmer~
>>153650342The "My Leg" episode let me know this show was officially out of ideas
>>153634335Kys dtvafag
>>153652282That’s also a Nickelodeon show.
>>153634335Somehow this is the least sincere and dumbest post in the thread
>see funny faces in a cartoon>get triggeredI always knew /co/ was a lost cause, but damn.
>>153652291All that quirky girl garbage looks the same
>>153624470>SpongezoomersThe show reran its old episodes enough to basically be a zoomer show
>>153624470You see as much from TTG fags too. There is a bozarre insistence from many late zoomers from 2008 and onwards to insist that which they grew up with is of some redeeming value. It's strange to witness in person.
>>153634335The 2002-2004 period was GOAT'd.>SpongeBob Was at it's peak>Fairly Oddparents was at it's peak>Cartoon Cartoon Fridays >Toonami had Zoids, DBZ, G Gundam, Ruroni Kenshin and Yuyu Hakusho>Disney had the Weekenders >Danny Phantom, Jimmy Neutron, My Life as a Teenage Robot>Grim and Evil, Justice League Unlimited, Foster's, Teen Titans, Megas XLRWe didn't know how good we had it but we knew when it was gone.
>>153652578Besides a few manjor shows you could really see the rot start to creep in between 2006 and 2008. The networks were all carcases by 2010. Disney abandoned televised animation aside from fish hooks, nick had fully become the spongebob network, and CN was flailing despite genuinely trying to deliver quality. It sucks man. Shitmonly got worse from there. Shit's only getting worse from here.
>>153652578That era you're talking about really did seem to be the last era where cartoon channels were great. Not to say no good shows came later, of course. I enjoyed Flapjack, Chowder, Regular Show, etc. but CN itself was already going to shit.
>>153652611That's what 3 recessions plus the rise of streaming will do to you. Honestly if CN was proactive they probably could have survived but instead they fought it.
>>153627163Spongebob isn't on model once in the clip posted by OP.
>>153652999And I said that executives ask for on model cartoons, not the artists aside from a few hacks. You're not responding to what I said, because your complaints aren't founded on rational thinking.
>>153623387Why can't these retards draw water
>>153652640I recognize that era but it feels more like the last stand before Constantinople fell.
>>153652578Even though I think the golden age of TV animation overall was from roughly 1987 - 2005, I think roughly 1999 - 2004 was the peak of that golden age. There was a crazy amount of good shit coming out then and it's equally crazy how fast it just stopped.
>>153653080If the execs asked for on model, do you think the end product would be off model? Or that the artists somehow used the power of friendship to override their demands? You're such a fucking retard guy, I can tell it's you even after the name change.
>>153653217Now you're having a man-child breakdown. I said that executives are the only people who want to make on-model cartoons. Not Spongebob executives in specific because they've been demanding it since Hanna-Barbera.For the artists it’s just being ordered to not be creative. Learn to read.
