>The light had its turn.>For over 80 years, Marvel heroes have inspired hope. This August, that hope dies in the shadows of the MIDNIGHT UNIVERSE, a new publishing line where top creators unleash haunting new visions of Marvel’s greatest icons. The nightmare begins with three titles: MIDNIGHT X-MEN by Jonathan Hickman (Ultimate Spider-Man) and Matteo Della Fonte (Nova: Centurion); MIDNIGHT FANTASTIC FOUR by Benjamin Percy (Punisher) and Kev Walker (Infernal Hulk); and MIDNIGHT SPIDER-MAN by Phillip Kennedy Johnson (Infernal Hulk) and, in his exciting Marvel Comics debut, artist Scie Tronc.>Dark. Unpredictable. Unmissable. The Midnight Universe draws in longtime fans and newcomers alike to enter a terrifying new world where anything can happen. Interconnected by rich lore-building, Marvel’s most definitive modern creators are given free rein to reimagine heroes with shocking twists and chilling transformations in boundary-less, creator-driven storytelling that will keep readers on edge issue after issue. The X-Men no longer fight for acceptance, they hunger for blood. The Fantastic Four venture into the unknown not to save the world—but to unleash terror upon it. And Spider-Man discovers that with great power… comes something monstrous.
>“From the original New Universe to two Ultimate Universes, Marvel has a long history of creating and inspiring bold worlds filled with unforgettable characters and fresh ideas that feel new yet recognizable at the same time,” Editor in Chief C.B. Cebulski explained. “With the new Midnight line, we’ve given some of our most outstanding creators the opportunity to delve into the darkest corners of their imaginations and birth some of the creepiest, most terrifying takes on the Marvel Universe you’ve ever seen.”>More will be unveiled in the months ahead, but today, the main cover for MIDNIGHT X-MEN #1 by Dike Ruan is revealed. Befitting the line’s mysterious, ominous aura, the main covers of the MIDNIGHT titles will be Cloaked Covers, partially obscured with the full artwork revealed with a turn of the page. With the exception of the debut issues, the full artwork will remain shrouded in shadow, only revealing themselves to readers daring enough to pick them up on stands.
MIDNIGHT X-MEN #1Written by JONATHAN HICKMANArt by MATTEO DELLA FONTECover by DIKE RUANOn Sale 8/5>The clock strikes midnight, and it’s the dark dawn of a new era, beginning with MIDNIGHT X-MEN! The shadows of New York City are stalked by vampires and the mutant empyres. The sword of Damocles hangs over the peace between these two species and the factions within them. An outright war is brewing and the unturned will be caught in the crossfire.>On returning to the X-Men to deliver another visionary reinvention of mutantkind, Hickman said, “I’m so enthusiastic about this project—it’s the most excited I’ve been in years. The conceit of MIDNIGHT X-MEN aligns perfectly with the kind of stories I like to tell. It has a rich, open-ended mythology that equally mixes old and new ideas into something that feels both familiar and original.”
Where Hulk?
>The X-Men no longer fight for acceptance, they hunger for blood.reusing the vampire king what-if again>The Fantastic Four venture into the unknown not to save the world—but to unleash terror upon it.almost exactly the premise of the most recent Marvel Zombies Red Band book>Spider-Man discovers that with great power… comes something monstrous.lmao is this just going to be Man-Spider again tooHouse of Ideas everyone
MIDNIGHT FANTASTIC FOUR #1Written by BENJAMIN PERCYArt by KEV WALKEROn Sale September 2026>Then, in MIDNIGHT FANTASTIC FOUR, an obsessive scientist delves into the secrets of the universe perhaps best left unknown to mankind, leaving himself and three others warped in strange and horrifying ways. What horrible secrets lie in the new dimensions they have discovered? And can humanity survive the discovery?>On getting the chance to explore his darkest impulses, Percy explained, “If you've read my work, you know that I see the world through a dark, disturbed lens. To me, it's always midnight,” Percy explained. “When Hickman called me, it was from a landline in the basement of an abandoned house with the wires cut. Blood poured from the receiver into my ear. I said yes.>“When I imagined this other version of Marvel—a terrifying, poisoned universe—my mind immediately went to the Fantastic Four. This is a title I have always loved, but would never be allowed to write otherwise. Now I could lean into my worst instincts and reimagine their story as one of cosmic, Lovecraftian dread. I am joined in this by the visionary Kev Walker, who is hard at work bringing a new origin story for Marvel's ‘first family’ to screaming life. I can't wait to share our nightmares with you.”
>>153625032Well, the small amount of hype for this I had for thid went out very quickly The creative teams aren't bad, but I don't care about Horror X-Men or FF books
MIDNIGHT SPIDER-MAN #1Written by PHILLIP KENNEDY JOHNSONArt by SCIE TRONCOn Sale October 2026>And in MIDNIGHT SPIDER-MAN, a young Peter Parker is transformed into a hideous spider hybrid by the ruthless Oscorp Corporation in their pursuit for eternal life. When Oscorp begins to use the secrets unlocked by his mutation to create more human-animal hybrids, Peter embraces his grotesque new form to stop them.>“The work we’re doing right now on the Midnight line feels like history being made,” Johnson shared. “We’re all bringing creator-owned sensibilities to our projects, we’re redefining boundaries, we’re reinventing these timeless characters in a way that’s never been done. Midnight is nothing like the main line, nothing like the Ultimate line. You will see things in these books that shock you.”>“You don’t take on a job like reinventing Spider-Man to go halfway,” he continued. “I’m leaving it all in the ring with MIDNIGHT SPIDER-MAN and I know Jonathan and Ben are doing the same.”>Pre-order MIDNIGHT X-MEN #1 at your local comic shop today and stay tuned for the cover reveals for MIDNIGHT FANTASTIC FOUR and MIDNIGHT SPIDER-MAN in the months ahead.SOURCE:https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/midnight-universe-series-announcement-fall-2026
Meh
>>153625050>”If you've read my work, you know that I see the world through a dark, disturbed lens. To me, it's always midnight,”
>>153625022>We want the Absolute audience
It should have been a Midnight Sons relaunch
>>153625022I've very excited about this if they actually letting the writers do whatever they want with this new universe
>>153625070>norman osborn wants to turn everyone into furriesHOW TERRIFYING
Big pass on all of these.
>>153625022>For over 80 years, Marvel heroes have inspired hope.No??>This August, that hope dies in the shadows of the MIDNIGHT UNIVERSE, a new publishing line where top creators unleash haunting new visions of Marvel’s greatest icons.What, like Axis? Or any of the other Dark Avengers realities?>Dark. Unpredictable. Unmissable.Does it still count as 3 out of 3 if it's all 0 out of 3?>The X-Men no longer fight for acceptance, they hunger for blood.What, like vampire Jubilee?>The Fantastic Four venture into the unknown not to save the world—but to unleash terror upon it.What, like in Marvel Zombies?>And Spider-Man discovers that with great power… comes something monstrous.What, like the Other?Here's a bold new direction to try, how about you start making your ongoing stories palatable so readers don't need to scrounge for scraps on the side? How about that?
>>153625042sex with vampire Storm
I love horror stuff but I'm concerned that this will just end in a year or two again
>>153625232All these books sound like five issues mini imo
>>153625042>dyke ruinSeriously?
>>153625032>Original New Universe>Ultimate Universe 1>Ultimate Universe 2Supreme Power bros...we've been memoryholed.
>>153625022>a terrifying new world where anything can happen.Not to be confused with Ultimate 1 where anything could happen or Ultimate 2
>>153625042>The conceit of MIDNIGHT X-MEN aligns perfectly with the kind of stories I like to tell.Namely, messes other writers have to clean up
>>153625266He draws cool covers and breaks man hating dykes with his big asian cock how can one man be so based?
>>153625087These Companies are running out of fuel if they're literally doing this so constantlyWhat will happen next after they fumbled even the edgelord/internet horror audience that would want this kind of thing?
>>153625266He's a decent artist from the limited amount of interiors he's done
>>153625070>You will see things in these books that shock you.Good writing? Art by people outside South America?
>>153625345Well no, not that...
>>153625108High Evolutionary can do that in his sleep
>>153625345Fuckin' merciless
>>153625345>>153625354kek
>>153625070>“The work we’re doing right now on the Midnight line feels like history being made,”Take your head out of your ass
>>153625022Excited to give it a try. FF and Spider-Man sound interesting.
>>153625345>Art by people outside South America?Della Fonte is Italian, Walker is British, Tronc is FrenchAs usual, /co/ lost
>Midnight Pride>A rainbow of black. In this world, gay never meant 'merry' and tacky is LITERALLY to die for
>>153625070High Osbornary
>>153625434Surprised a French comic artist is bothering doing big two American work
>>153625434>We want the new, untried artists
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAi told you fools last week!you were NOT getting Blade, Man Thing or Ghost RiderYou're getting Spooky Spider Man and Spooky Black Panther!!!
>>153625501Walker has been doing Marvel comics for at least 20 years at this point, if not more.
>>153625501>Kev Walker>new, untried artistsHunt all newfaggots
>>153625583Good. I don't want z listers taking up books
>>153625280don't forget Warren Ellis' newuniversaland MC2and the Noir-verseand the Manga-verseand the Marvel Apes verse
>>153625043In your ass
>>153625614>>153625605Cope
>>153625583>instead of getting canceled in 6 months it'll be canceled in the the first week
>>153625070>Spider-Man going through a mutationThis is just a indirect Brand New Day tie-in
ITT
>>153625043Hulk is already a horror book
>>153625050>“If you've read my work, you know that I see the world through a dark, disturbed lens. To me, it's always midnight,” Percy explained. “When Hickman called me, it was from a landline in the basement of an abandoned house with the wires cut. Blood poured from the receiver into my ear. I said yes.DARKNESSNO PARENTSIMPRISONING MEALL THAT I SEEABSOLUTE HORRORThat said, I have been saying that a Lovecraft/X-Files mashup take on the FF would work for ages now, so I feel kinda vindicated.>>153625042Hickman writing Vampire Chronicles/Legacy Of Kain fanfic isn't something I had on my bingo card.>>153625070Eh, sounds like regular Spider-Man BUT HORROR.>>153625022As always, I'm disappointed. Seriously, you'd think they'd at least throw Strange a bone or do a Midnight Sons/Suns relaunch. Nope. It's Legacy Of Kain-Men now. Watch them announce MIDNIGHT AVENGERS next year and it's just Avengers but like, sick and sooooo fookin twisted man!
>>153625624Newuniversal was more interesting than this since it's not like the New Universe was used that much after Shooter left Marvel, even if it was just > Let's do an Ultimate universe of the New UniverseSupreme Power was the same
>>153625050Never read anything from the guy but a cosmic horror FF sounds legitimately interesting.
>>153625042>>153625050>>153625070I'm not feeling this. I'll probably have to wait to see what the previews are like but I'm not holding my breath. This really does feel like they're trying to respond to the Absolute Universe from a different angle
>We reached the point Marvel and DC would consider doing things the average analog horrorfag does on their phoneGenuinely where did things go badly
>MIDNIGHT SQUIRREL GIRL>Protect your nuts at all costs
>>153625070This one looks interesting at least, I've liked PKJ's hulk and from what I can find this Tronc guy's art looks decent, don't know if he's drawn any ongoings though so not sure if he can keep up with a monthly schedule.
>>153625685Calm your tits this is just gonna be a halloween thing
>MIDNIGHT NURSE
>>153625070>probably just Man-Spider again instead of doing a Bootleg Spider-Man and having Peter be a more human human-spider hybrid that does fucked up things but is still a hero
>>153625759She can't find the vein
>MIDNIGHT POWER PACK >The darkness that is Cocokymelon visits itself on the Powers children
>>153625685How is Midnight X-Men anything like analog horror? If anything it just sounds like Vampire Storm and Vampires vs Krakoa
>>153625022>Jonathan Hickman
>>153625070Sounds almost like kamen rider to me
>>153625022The more i read of this. It honestly feels like a Castlevania type spoof thing. This doesn't feel the kind of hook marvel is seeking. At best, i can imagine it will have a niche following and maybe it will have some quality comics out of it, but idk. This sure as hell ain't beating absolute. >>153625043Funnily enough, PKJs saga feels like something this line would try to do, but it predates it so it feels pretty pointless.
>>153625070Furry Felicia from AoR coming back
>>153625837PKJ run just feels like an attempt to one-up Ewings Immortal Hulk run
>>153625022Even if these are good, it's hard to get too excited about these kinds of stories. It's fun as a one-shot, but as an on-going universe, it can't really last.
>>153625833DC shat the bad with their Kamen Rider reference so I sure hope not
>>153625811anon thinks that horror thing of preexisting thing = analog horror or creepypasta or something stupid like thatlike making good thing become bad or scary is so common online it isn't fun when official media does it
It's gonna be so scary you'll…POOP YOUR PANTS
>>153625883Which is fucking stupid because we got Vampire Storm like multiple times before 4chan was created, much less creepypastaIf anything a more believable complaint is, Vampire Storm, but now with Hickmanisms
>>153625657please for the love of god do not ask modern Marvel to do anything related to Strangeit will not work
>>153625070>Here's that Absolute Spider-Man you wanted.Eww...
>>153625042>
>>153625861The Immortal Hulk run didn't know what it wanted to be half the time and completely changed course on the major goals so PKJ sticking with Babylonian monsters waking up other monsters works for me.
>>153625833So who will be the mysterious rival guy that joins Spider-Man after a while? Morbius? Man-Wolf?
>>153626004Morbius-Wolf, lord of Zombies
>>153625985DOCTOR STRANGE'S HOUSE OF PANCAKES
>>153626019Truly a Morbillion winning-making idea
>>153625995I really liked that movie, so hopefully it works out well.
>>153625022>MIDNIGHT SPIDER-MAN by Phillip Kennedy Johnson (Infernal Hulk)Oh?
>>153625833This could be kino then.
No Doctor Strange or Scarlet Witch. FUCK THIS GAY EARTH.Anyway I hope vampire Storm has a cute shota harem.
>>153626213>shotaStorm spent a whole year trying to groom Kitty, anon
>>153626241She can do that here too as another side project when she's not sucking blood.
>>153625022>fuck up the ultimate universe revival>starts a new one immediately after>absolute was a response to ultimate and mogged it>midnight will be a response to absolute and will be mogged
>>153626326Technically absolute was supposed to come out years before but due to the whole 5g getting canned and Didio firing they held off. It was supposed to be absolute frontier so batman af, superman af etc etc
No Man-Thing?
>>153626386Not as the title character of a story at least.
>>153625022>This August, that hope dies in the shadows of the MIDNIGHT UNIVERSE, a new publishing line where top creators unleash haunting new visions of Marvel’s greatest icons.I don't see how that's any different from post 2000s Marvel, but okay.>>153625032>>153625042>>153625050>>153625070>Horrorverse MarvelMeh. The basic premise is dull and trite, but at least Fantastic Four might be worth reading.
>>153625070lol anon got his kamen rider spider-man that he wanted
>>153625699If I saw a detailed enough scene with a Feral Doreen and Mr. Immortal in the vein of Ultimate Blob and Wasp I think it might actually get me.
>>153626760"It's okay, I can't kill him, wanna see?"
>>153625762Didn't expect to see this here lmao
>>153625022Lack of interest.
I like the idea of Marvel doing weird contained universes like this. Hopefully they keep the trend going even though this one sounds like it's inevitably going to underperform.
>>153625032Wow that is an absolutely ass initial lineup.>>153625042I swear to shit if it turns out Hickman is using this as a vehicle to revisit his dumbass "megarobots in black holes" shit from Krakoa then this is dead on arrival.
I wonder why World of Darkness never gained a foothold in comic books.
>>153625833particularly shin
>>153625032>THE LIGHT HAD ITS TURN>Marvel's whitest roster of writers imaginable
>>153625042So we aren't getting Temu AbsoluteWE'RE GETTING TEMU DC VS. VAMPIRES
>>153627609The solicit alone is better written than the entirety of Jobbers vs. Vampires
>>153625022So let me get this straight>Marvel brings back the Ultimate universe as a way to make new visions of Marvel's greatest icons>Massive success>DC follows it up with the Absolute universe>Massive success>Marvel editors get salty that the Ultimate universe is outselling the 616 and make it worse every month>eventually kill it>Absolute universe is still a massive success>Marvel editors get salty that the Absolute line is outselling the 616 and it only gets better>Try to do the Absolute line but on Marvel It's been a while since I've kept up with who's who in marvel comics, who's the editor in chief? Why are they all massive fucking retards?
>>153625022>>153625032>>153625042>>153625050>>153625070Hope it bombs. Like who even wants edgier stories? Is telling good stories such a difficult concept for them to understand?
>>153625196>good comics >like starting the trend of entire company crossovers>starting the trend of resurrecting dead characters>wanting to nuke the classic Marvel Universe to replace with my OC Donut Steels
>>153625042Vampires...how random. I've never really felt like they worked well with x-men.
>>153625022Hickman is the architect of this new universe? It's definitely going to be terrible then.
>>153627774would were-wolves have been better?
THESE ARE ALL JUST THE SAME FUCKING IDEAS THEY KEEP RECYCLING! Marvel claims they want to go into a creative driven all new universe direction, arguably to compete with DC's Absolute line (which is dominating the market), and yet they keep using gimmicks. How many times have we had vampire X-Men? How many times have we done Man Spider? Hell, body horror F4 isn't even new, we played with that gimmick with Reed alone. So what the fuck, Marvel? What are you even doing to compete in this market anymore? You're so creatively bankrupt, you're stealing ideas from the Rivals game (which has done more with the material than you have in over a decade). What next, Cap Wolf again? Identity issues where Tony meets machine again? The symbiotes?Marvel deserves another bankruptcy scare like they had in the 90s. I feel like I'm on crazy pills, stuck in a loop
>>153627774Marvel's last big vampire story prior to Blood Hunt was Curse of the Mutants, which was just Vampires vs X-Men
>>153627694What did new Ultimate even do worth mentioning? Honest question. Because even Ultimate Spider-Man was kinda lackluster once the allure of the family dynamic wore off. Every idea it spun petered out (no pun intended), going nowhere with no real satisfaction. The pacing and real-time progression didn't help either
>>153625636Cebulski: But we sold a combined one million blind bags of the first issues. So Marvel win..AGAIN!
>>153627130It's questionable if this thing lasts beyond six issues. This has cancellaton fodder written all over it even moreso than Imperial.
>>153627826It started out EXTREMELY strong, people were hungry for alternate versions of these characters. I mean, for how long did USM outsell every other marvel comic?The allure of it went away because editorial is fucking stupid and they weren't able to capitalize on it
>>153625022>>153625032>>153625042>>153625050>>153625070So Marvel canned the Ultimate universe to try and directly rip off Absolute, huh? What losers.
>>153627869But again, what did it have to offer? They didn't even have the balls to give the new Ultimate Spidey an original costume. Ultimate Wolverine had a simple enough premise, but didn't commit to that to instead retread over his lost memories and waste most of the X-Men.
>>153627802probably not, I usually skip any wolverine wendigo stories.>>153627820I know they do it a lot, I couldn't care about the blood hunt tie-ins and I couldn't make myself care about that crap at the start of dawn of x where wolverine was going after dracula or whatever.Curse of the Mutants was basically Cyclops just wanting the vamps to fuck off and leave them alone.
>>153625042lol
I can't believe they killed the Ultimate universe for this!
>>153627811Have they done Men-X or Vampire-Man?
>>153628046Well, when you put it that way, I'm all in on Midnight.
>>153627598Whites are the only race able to scare all races of people equally.
>>153625042If they were to make this kino they'd have a Solomon Kane/Defoe (but catholic) Nightcrawler comic
>>153625042Many muggas stories in the 00s were about vampires, I think even marvel now has some book about that.Combining that with krakoa writer is uninteresting.>>153625050Why? Percy would have worked better with Blade or daredevil(Maybe they want him for daredeviil in the future)>>153625070Nostalgia for manspider + PKJ doing the same with hulk but with spiderman.I think is the only one that wont be a disaster.
>>153625042Ororo sexoooo
It’s so funny that everyone was speculating and excited about them using any of the horror characters and instead it’s this.Might be good though. I think it’s funny to picture Hickman being like “I’ll show them some evil X-men”
>>153627894I don't know about the anon you responded to but what I was seeing during the time of Ultimate 2.0 was people were liking USM more than ASM. What it probably brought was a Spider-Man that wasn't tied down to the BND way of thingsAs for Ultimate Wolverine I thought it was terrible, yet somehow it still outperformed mainline Wolverine. That just made me wonder if the X-line is having more problems getting interest up similar to the Spider-Man line
>>153629677>what I was seeing during the time of Ultimate 2.0 was people were liking USM more than ASM. What it probably brought was a Spider-Man that wasn't tied down to the BND way of thingsWe already covered this, scroll up
>>153625070>young Peter Parkerno marriage to MJ, no buy
>>153627869It absolutely did not start extremely strong. I can't even remember what the miniseries was called, but it started by faking people out with a 1610 return even bringing in Hitch on art. It was a middle of the road miniseries leading into a status quo no one wanted. They wanted 616 Peter to married to MJ with kids, not an alternate universe. >blaming editorial and not hickman's trash writingHow many issues did Peter go without even talking to his daughter before the end?
>>153625050>“If you've read my work, you know that I see the world through a dark, disturbed lens. To me, it's always midnight,”Kek. Based
>>153625108>Midnight Norman wants to Dimensional Merge everyone into furries like the villain of the Detective Pikachu movie
>>153629677>As for Ultimate Wolverine I thought it was terrible, yet somehow it still outperformed mainline Wolverine.probably because percy wolverine sucked and ahmed's is dry as burnt toast.
>>153625022These all sound like books that would make more sense as minis.Won't be buying regardless after learning from Nu-Ultimate sales don't matter and Marvel will just cancel shit as a "Fuck You" to readers in under two years so I've learned my lesson.
>>153630714I'd read a run of 36 of any of these if Marvel was in a better state. The concepts sound fun. Not spiderman though I never liked Man Spider concepts.
>>153625070Wasn't that basically the premise of Marvels Comics: Spider-Man?
>>153625022Didn't Invincible do this?
>>153625657come to think of it is there a single alternate version of Dr. Strange as notable to him as there are Spider-Man/Avengers/X-Men variants to their 616 counterparts>both Ultimate versions were written out of the universe before reaching 15 appearances (NuUltimate didn’t appear at all)>in almost any one-off/miniseries universe he is either dead for plot reasons or retired for plot reasons>in the vast majority of these universes he is also entirely or almost entirely unchangedI can think of a few off the top of my head, but I’m a diehard who’s specifically plumbed the deepest depths of obscure shit just to read Strange material. Even they’re not super notable>1602 Strange who dies before the climax>Croctor Strange who is a minor character outside of one miniseries, wherein he is part of a team>Earth X Strange who is dead for 90% of the plot, then revives relatively unchanged from 616 save for life story>Dr. Strangefate probably the only notable example who does not (technically) die, get majorly overshadowed, or mostly resemble 616… and it’s a three-way fusion between himself and two other characters. Also, not even Stephen in the first place>Strange 2099 primarily not Stephen, and Stephen himself is overshadowed by some Latina babeDoubly puzzling given that he’s a fixture of the Illuminati, who have tons of alternate universe variants (many of which are prominent). But Strange has nothing like Spider-Noir/Peni Parker/etc. This could’ve been a great opportunity to change that. Alas.
>>153631940Kek Strange just keeps getting btfo you think Marvel would have made him a priority for a universe like this
>>153631940ACHUALLY 1610 Dr. Strange never existed at all. The one that Peter Parker runs into, and gets his head popped in Ultimatum, was Stephen Strange Jr., the son of Stephen Strange. The guy that took his body in Ultimatum may have been Stephen Strange Sr., but that was never confirmed.
>>153632177no, 1610 Strange also existed. He was at least drawn once. But you know I’m referring to Jr., don’t you? I cited Strange 2099 and Strangefate in my examples. I don’t just mean Stephen.…fuck, are there any other characters whose more prominent alternate versions are either just job replacements or slightly-more-prolonged deaths? I’m struggling to think of any others. Ghost Rider maybe?
>>153632203He was drawn in two issues, but when I said he doesn't exist I meant that we only ever see him post-disappearance via someone talking about him. He doesn't have any genuine appearances.
>>153632254yes, agreed. So he’s a glorified cameo, and his son appears maybe ten times before his head gets ‘sploded. And that’s one of Strange’s more prominent alternate counterparts.
>>153631940Marvel Mangaverse Strange, while short-lived, was entertaining.
>>153625043Too much of a faggot
>>153632398Agreed, though again he didn’t make 10 issues and died The Japs do seem to have a decent amount of respect for Strange, or at least his rogues. I wonder if that upcoming Silent Möbius crossover’s his best shot.
>>153627826The book and ideas and writing seemd interesting. The allure ended up wearing off because the 24 issues were mostly being used to set up things in a universe that would end after. That and Hickman didn't spend as much time with the family as people thought he would
>>153630317Mini series? Also USM did start off strong. The first couple of issues we were following Peter with a relatable narrative with the whole him being dissatisfied in life or feeling like something was missing. MJ supported him and the kids enjoyed the idea as well. It seemd fun and interesting because again people thought this would go on for longer>d>didn't give him a new suitIf it ain't broke don't fix it
>>153632943Even ignoring the shit Hickman set up that got canned, the book was spiraling and doing jack shit.>Doesn't fully explore Venom or Richard>Harry doesn't go crazy and just kinda quits because his wife is Five Guys now>Mysterio Gwen has no real payoff other than shock value>Otto just suddenly becomes a Spider-Hero off panel and does nothing>Book is more interested in the Maker shit than the plot it started telling>Sandman just shows up for an issue out of nowhere>Shocker died>Peter's identity and the risk is irrelevant thanks to Mole Man>Spend too much time with Ben/Jonah>>153632963We have a good suit for mainline. HOWEVER a new suit would have helped Ultimate stand out, a signature.
>>153633016>> all the problems with the bookThats what I mean tho. It was mostly being used as set up for some reason. All of these things wouldn't be a problem if 1 we didn't skip over development. Like when MJ told Peter she was trying but knew everything was crazy and dangerous and she was actually really worried and scared. And yet? Time skip away. 2 if it would have gone past 24. I'm not saying the book is perfect. But the ideas were there. They just weren't explored enough for some reason. And if he meant to only do 24 and knew it was ending than its really weird. If he didn't and thought someone else would continue then it makes sense.
>>153633016>> good suit mainline. New suit would help him outI guess thats true. But what can you actually do tho? Spider-Man suit is basically at its peak since its inception so not much space to try something different. Plus what if it ended up being totally ass and people just made fun of it?
>>153633441It's better to try than not try at all. We've had banger alts over the years>Black Suit>Iron Spider>Silver Armor>Ben Reilly They had the chance to really do something new and show this was a separate universe that could compete with the mainline, and fumbled on every front
>>153633461Thats 4 out of like 50+ is the thing. Insomniac is liked but its just the basic suit with white over it. Marvel rivals isn't liked much and tokon is doing idk what but they got Josh voicing him at least. Ths attempt just doesn't seem that worht it when odds are it could've been a flop of a suit. I do get what you mean too since they could've trued and if people disliked it then go back to the classic or something
>>153625022>boundary-lessIt's Spider-Penis Time.
>>153625833Not Reiwa Kamen Rider.
>>153630251>>153632963marywhorefags are so stupid lmao
>>153625022I find it really difficult to trust Marvel at this point, however I do like all three of these writers, so I will give these books a chance.
>>153625050so tuff bro
>>153632963Ultimate Invasion. Ultimate started with Ultimate Invasion and it was lame.
>>153625223/thread
>>153634326This is something I think a lot of people forgot about, the reception to Ultimate Invasion was really lukewarm at best, indifferent at worst. the promo for USM was what really got the hype going. It goes against people's insistence that USM was successful only because of Hickman (and you can even see how GODS and Imperial did). I think if they didn't have USM the way it was, the Ultimate line would've ended sooner just like those
>>153625042Guaranteed slop but if they make Gambit team up with Blade to kill vampires again I'll read it regardless of quality
>>153627329I assume it's because white wolf is retarded with licensing
>>153627826I liked Japanese high school x-men if that counts
>>153625022>>153625032Its basically their own absolute line but more horror themed then? I mean i guess it could work but i think needing it to be horror related is a tad limiting, absolute works because it reimagines in brand new ways that are not all connected to eachother
Why is Marvel so ass nowadays? Nothing they've done feels remotely interesting in the past 5 years.
>>153625762What is this ?
>>153625762Based Genuinely more interesting than any else world Marvel has tried in the last decade
>>153625022Sounds really stupid.
>>153625042>vampire StormHey, I remember that.
>>153634552throw in Ghost Rider and I’d actually pay to see it
>>153634500In hindsight the early issues of USM weren't that great. The entire thing was built on potential and hype that was not only never met, but in decline well before the end was announced.
>>153625088retards at yidsney thinks that making everyone vampires will fix it.Absolute will mog them again
>>153629677>yet somehow it still outperformed mainline WolverineBecause Wolverine didn't have a good comic run in 20 years?Between Aaron (that only was good in wolverin and the xmen), Corner, Percy , loeb Daniel Way and Bunn, the comic was been a dissaster that people want to ignore.
>>153625022Why would anyone be interested in a new dark and griddy marvel universe, after how they handled the Ultimate universe reboot? It's too late to catch up to Absolute, especially when no one trusts your brand currently.
>>153625042We have DC vs Vampires at home.
>>153636685I'm interested in it because I despised Ultimate Universe and, unlike Ultimate, like the creative teams for this. They've earned at least the first arc for each from me.
The give and take continues.
>>153636996Not a great comparison since Marvel Midnight is just the standard Marvel characters, but edgyfied Earth-13 is more like a world focused on DC supernatural and Horror characters
>>153637010It's not exact, just as New Ultimate/Absolute wasn't exact but it's a world where the supernatural/horror characters are the superheroes, with Superdemon in place of Superman, the League of Shadows instead of the Justice League, and John Constantine as a costume wearing hero named Hellblazer.
>>153634909Bootleg Spider-Man
>>153634592That was awful too.
>>153625311They've got three modes, anon>Camp>Serious>EdgelordWhen one fails they move to the next.
>>153625032>>153625042>momoko x-men being replaced by hackman x-men but now they are vampiresThanks, I hate it.
>>153638702Hackman bouncing back between AU Spider-man and AU X-Men because there's no interest at all in crap like GODS and Imperial is a pretty funny fate.
>>153625022Not interested in this least at all? hell why should I since they will kill off the Midnight Universe in one year time at the most even if it does turn out to be good. I just don't trust marvel unuke DC so quite frankely fuck Them .Only true idiots will support this.
>>153634977Oh it is stupid certain leaks have already emerged and they say it's dumb as fuck not going to mention the source of the leaks they prefer to remain in the shadows for the time being,
>>153638771Hickman would probably love to have more GODS issues, but it sold like shit, so Marvel doesn't want to use those characters
>>153636212I think even knowing what we know now, Hickman's USM is still better than Wells' and Kelly's runs even in spite of the mistakes made with USMThis and Ultimate Wolverine should've been a wake-up call to Marvel to actually fix the mainline instead of relying on the same playbook
>>153637967You're awful too.
>>153637967>That was awful too.So is Midnight Universe according to leaks. don't be fooled now marvel is trying to take you for qqiuck ride. First they get people to care about they they kill it off in 1-2 years the same will happen here no doubt it. So do NOT support this new crap.
>>153638702My wives...
>>153636212Idk the first few issues were pretty good imo. Just because the book had issues and declined afterwards doesn't mean the previous good ossue are bad mow.
>>153634909A weird fetish comic. MJ is obese and loves Peter but she can't handle seeing his actual face. Its like 5 pages of just seeing MJ and Peter talk. I think they even had sex in one but just showed the aftermath. I say weird fetish comic because its not focused on much. It shows an obese MJ and this freaky ass Peter but doesn't focus on either. So I guess fetsih isn't the word
>>153640417FUCK OFF THE MARRIAGE IS NEVER COMING BACK NOW SHUT THE FUCK UP.
>>153634101My bad for liking a character or wanting and enjoying the premise of Peter being married to MJ then lol. Ironic you say MaryWhore when she hasn't even had a fraction of Peter's relationships or Pne night stands or friends with benefits
>>153634326Ah okay. I forgot about that lol.
>>153640445I'm explaining the fucking image they questioned about. Why do people freak out so much for simply even talking about a relationship? Didn't even say the marriage needs to come back or something. Calm down
>>153638771I think there's a real good chance Hackman is going to get outshined by Johnson or Percy. >>153639785That's only half the reason, the other half is that Hackman's salary at Marvel made it too expensive for them to continue the book. If he was willing to take a pay cut, things might have been different.
>>153640501Do not interact with Gwenschizo.
>>153625022>A dark horror tinged universeOkay this has->X-Men>Fantastic Four>Spider-Man>It is mostly just the heroes as villains>>153625070>The dark horror universe Spidey book has the Green Goblin playing out the exact same plan as Neo Cortex in the Crash Bandicoot games>It still has the most potential by a mileThis is going to be a disaster.I am pretty disappointed since modern Hulk shows that horror takes on established heroes have potential if you pick the right character and come at it with a clever angle.
>>153625042Way to kill hype. Hoped for temu dark city.Who at Marvel loves vampires so much? They are pushing those fuckers like third or fourth time in the last 30 years and it looks like crap everytime
Learning all the wrong lessons yet again.
>>153625070This sounds kinda neat.
>>153625050And I do like Lovecraft...
>>153640751Overcorrection for when vampires went extinct in the 80s.
>>153640591Not Gwenschizo you idiot now bug off I don''t have time for fools.
>>153640384I never liked it so I was vindicated.
>>153641354>>153641573Sure thing, Gwenschizo
>>153642102My dislike had nothing to do with relationshit. I wrote https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/141612267/#141614100 in the first storytime. "Hickman's going to drop the ball again" was an easy prediction to make, and yet so many people still fell for it.
From the twisted mind of Johnathan Hickman. Another universe/event initiative that marvel will completely drop after Hickman gets bored!
Kinda funny how the Spiderman book sounds alot like that old scrapped movie.
>>153641354I mean you lost your mind there pretty easily and I didn't even mention the marriage lol>>153642571Thats fine but once again you were losing your mind over me explaining a fetish panel from a random deviantart thing. Not even talking about USM so
>>153643061I have no idea what you're talking about, not everyone who disagrees with you is one person.
>>153643097Sure thing, Gwenschizo
>>153631940Dr. Orpheus
>>153643061Why would you reply to a person calling another anon Gwenschizo if its not you? Lol
>>153643097Meant you
