>Animation isn't a career and animators should get real jobs>As a result, the only people who actually pursue it as a career are over indulged nepobabies >This results in the shitty work we see in the industry today>Industry continues to decline and collapse>Rinse and repeat >People complain about the quality of showsHow do we actually stop this cycle
>>153639806The problem is the animation industry is centered in LA
>>153639806We don'tAnons should unironically be preparing for the end of big budget 2D animation in america
>>153639806Welcome to capitalism baby, it will enshittificate everything and anything. You know the answer to that question, it's obvious to anyone who reads it, you basically already implied it, but actually saying it out loud will upset the big business man who doesn't care about the product but about the benefits.
Launch another crop of multibillion dollar media franchises to milk for another 2 decades
>>153639875ThisGet hollywoods all over America an suddenly LA isn’t special anymore
>>153639806I think /co/ would be happier if the animation ceased to exist and western animation dwindled from existence, then the ComicCHADS can retake the board cause they actually support their medium despite pirating it.
>>153639895>>153639967We're near the end of history. There's no point in trying to build anything better now.
>>153639806>art isn't respected by the masses>only nepobaby artists are successfulIt's been like this for hundreds of years, jackass.
>>153640250Ok then don't bitch about the terrible shows coming your way
It's literally impossible in the west cuz we practice capitalism to the max and we don't subsidies living standards like the rest of the world
>it's another art is dead because of capitalism threadgo back to lefty /pol/ you worthless faggots
>>153640357>subsidiesYou mean subsidize? Capitalism has nothing to do with this, you stooge. It’s corporate cronyism at the very least. I hope you’re not seriously thinking of moving to NYC anytime soon.
>>153640514>Capitalism has nothing to do with this, you stooge. It’s corporate cronyismlmao
>>153639875Which is weird when you consider that 99% of animation is digital now and we've had the capacity to do WFH stuff for over a decade.
>>153639967Oddly enough, the entire reason the film industry is centered in LA is *because* of capitalism and filmmakers' attempts to escape it. Thomas Edison held patents on motion picture processing and projection equipment and would aggressively go after anyone creating films for licensing fees. Film makers headed out west to try to escape his tyrannical hold on the industry figuring that if his goons came knocking, they could flee to Mexico. LA also has nice weather pretty much year round which allowed people to work on outdoor sets pretty much 365 days a year. The heat is dry and predictable, the days are mostly cloudless, there's rarely any rain, almost never any snow, it's not an area that gets hurricanes. There were also a broad range of settings from mountains to desert to sea available. At this point, films aren't shot nearly as much in LA as they used to be (though they still are to some degree). The main issue is infrastructure. When people wonder why there aren't "Hollywoods" all over the US, they often think about directors and actors. However, what they don't think about is equipment, manufacturers, rental shops, repairmen, skilled crew, special camera rigs, etc. If you want to shoot somewhere that isn't LA, you need to think about trucking equipment there PLUS backups. When in a film making hub, you can emergency order gels or baffling or rent a special lens last minute. In order to have another Hollywood in bumfuck Mississippi, you'd need places that can provide all of that. So there's a chicken/egg thing going on - Film makers don't want to settle somewhere where there isn't infrastructure, but infrastructure won't develop somewhere if there isn't tons of business to be had.
>>153639806>Animation isn't a career and animators should get real jobsI've always found it interesting how the people who say this have never been able to reconcile this belief with the anime industry
>>153640582Good luck under any other economic system lmao
>>153640397Cope, burgercuck
>>153639806We could start by changing whatever situation is producing point 1 and 2
>>153640603Most big jobs still require you to be on site. This is partially because people still like to direct their staff face to face, it can speed up critiques and last minute work orders, etc, but it's also because a lot of companies don't want their assets being stored on random home computers where it could be easier to leak stuff, get hacked, become subject to ransomware, etc. Sure, the tech exists such that the next Frozen film could be animated by a network of freelancers all working from their homes in bumfuck Arkansas, but Disney is never going to be cool with people having official Elsa models on their private computers. Disney animated projects largely shut down during COVID because of this.
They brought in $23 billion from dish network, comcast, and directv cable boxes, and spent it all subsidizing a failing streaming service and rebooting the Smurfs and Mission Impossible
>>153640687you're giving too much credit to the people who say this. Their argument essentially boils down to "I enjoy drawing but I can't get paid to do it all day every day, so nobody else should either". They can't distinguish the difference between a hobby and a job and are under the impression that people who draw for a living are getting paid to do the same thing they do after work for funsies.
I think it would be less of an issue if America made more adaptations.Lots of comics and books were made by people who worked "real" jobs, even if their adaptations weren't.
>>153640397>Ride bike>Put stick on wheel>Fall>"Capitalism did this"
>>153640397since when the fuck is /pol/ lefty?
It's called capitalism. Studios have to make bad shows that lose money because they're greedy and obsessed with money.
>>153639806It will only get worst when studios start using ai for children and normie shows while companies like glitch hold a monopoly on higher quality handmade cartoons.
>>153640921Worthless nepobabies ITT secretly wish US animation became subsidized shit like in Western Europe so they could live off taxpayer money without care about having an audience.
>>153639875This is the serious kneecap. Having to tie your identity (artist) to a state with high rent prices means that 99% of people will get filtered out and thus depressed.
>>153641024>Instead, let's just make shitty shows for the exact same result through tax cuts but with a worse product!
>>153640850It’s another thing
>>153640687>>153640795That line isn’t so prevalent because it only comes from those people, it’s also the mainstream normie’s unimpassioned understanding of an art career and most impoverished people’s assumption based on the economic reality of the artists they know. When people say art isn’t a career they first of all don’t know the jobs exist and don’t connect the idea to art products they know, secondary to that they don’t know what it looks like to get from A to B and do that, but fundamentally they’re saying art is a luxury career the average person can’t afford to risk pursuing given their constraints. They’re not wrong, but the ubiquity of that idea also misleads people who are in a position to pursue it, especially young people, and of those who are discouraged, they risk becoming the ones repeating it out of resentment.
>>153641024These studios already rake in billions of dollars every year from cable regardless of actual viewership that could go to funding autistic calarts grad passion projects, but they spent it rebooting frasier and zoey101 and the naked gun and willy wonka and the crow and all in the family and legends of the hidden temple and the wonder years and making a Halo tv show
>>153641079Hit a nerve there.Get a real job, you'll come back with rugged hands and something worth telling.
>>153641236>Hit a nerve there.No? I'm just pointing out in America the exact same shit happens through a slightly different process and with an even worse result. I don't know what nerve you think you hit, but your nerve seems to be reality itself.
>>153641215>Autistic calarts grad passion projectsWe had these for a decade now. Maybe it's it's time to start question yourself and respect the audience you chose to entertain.
And kids in the hall, the real world, matlock, will & grace, ghostwriter, party down, muppet babies, that's so raven, saved by the bell, nancy drew, head of the class, twin peaks, reno 911, sex and the city, dynasty
>>153641397If you want to see something different, be the change you want to see.
>>153640762I understand these critiques, but most of them don't really hold much water these days. Even most face-to-face jobs these days handle the majority of their critiques, meetings, work orders, etc. through email or conference call because it ensures a written or recorded log of conversations, discussions, orders, etc.; and larger companies that permit hybrid or remote work have been providing secure company computers for work for years now. If defense contractors, telecom corps, healthcare providers, or government agencies will let you work from home, I see no reason why an animation studio shouldn't; their risk of security compromise is no worse off than any of the above.
>>153640999vid is an improvement, but also highlights just how far it still needs to go to be useful
>>153641482In the meanwhile I'll be voting with my wallet.
>>153640999>AI is soulle-
>>153641622Don’t same fag
>>153639806We are in dire need of a mass cultural revolution that includes an proper understand and appreciation for the arts and humanities. Won't happen, well just get dumber, shittier, and uglier
>>153641668Why do you say that like you have an understanding of it?
>>153641622It's still pretty soulless and pretty inconsistent. AI animation can work, but you need to put in a lot more effort than just feeding a couple of storyboard panels into somebody else's LLMYou need to train a model from the ground up, you need to give it thousands of examples of your drawings, you characters, your scenery, dozens or preferably hundreds of examples of rough and finished animation so it understands contextually how to go from a storyboard to a finished or even semi-finished state. Like every tool the output is proportional to the work you put in.
>>153641668Go to your nearest library, rent an animal and human anatomy book. Learn color theory, shading, framing. Go out in parks and draw sketches of what you see around: Trees, passerbys, dogs, birds...become able to represent what you see around.Once you get confortable with realistic drawing you'll can go back to stylized drawing.I've been doong this for years now.
>>153641079I would unironically rather have no shows than have shitty shows made on my tax dollar.If you want that shit, then you need to pay for it.
>>153641839>Doesn't realize that tax breaks and getting financed by the state are effectively the exact same fucking shit, only one doesn't have any sort of quality control.
>>153641866You obviously never had to pay any tax with your sweat.
>>153641799>I've been doong this for years now.post art
>>153641912Listen, anon, we can't all pay the bills by selling our sweat to perverts.
>>153640850Newfag alert
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>>153641397>not circledMY MAN!
>>153641530>If defense contractors, telecom corps, healthcare providers, or government agencies will let you work from homeIt depends heavily on what your involvement is with those agencies and how much infrastructure risk can be caused form WFH. Some work can be done from home, but a fair number of DoD computers are air gapped for a reason. SOME people who work on Disney productions can work from home, but they're not allowing any animators to.
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>>153641711>You need to train a model from the ground upEven then, results are approximate. AI appeals to consumers (and consumers who wish they were creators) because anything that looks somewhat slick is something they clap their hands over, but creators tend to have very specific ideas of what they want and work to achieve that result. And any good work is going to be the result of tons of tiny hyper specific decisions leading up to the whole.
>>153642000not at all, I just don't bother with the /pol/ side of 4ch. I mostly check out /co/ /tv/ and occasionally some of the porny boards when I fancy a wank.
>>153642438>pornyOk clopper.
>>153641291>I'm just pointing out in America the exact same shit happens through a slightly different processEhh, that depends, a corporation getting tax cuts in one municipality won't have an impact on my taxes in another municipality.A studio getting federal or state grants paid for by taxes does come directly out of what I pay to the state.One of these sucks, but is not literally my money being used to make shit I hate.
>>153642015Yeah, okay, that's pretty good.
>>153642891Thank you. This one was with acrylic paint.
