Why is stop-motion not more popular?
Still doing better than hand drawn
>>153644636Same reason muppets stopped being interestingPeople behind it didn't know how to make it interesting for new audiences
>>153644636It's hella pretentious.
>>153644673Retards like this guy
>>153644636It's popular... in the UK.
>>153644636Because at this point, you can achieve the exact same look with CG for a fraction of the cost, with a smoother pipeline that allows for retakes and rewrites, and with a far bigger talent pool to choose from. Some of these studios use so much 3D-printing, that the whole "hand crafted" feel is lost anyway so it's not like it takes away the charm of seeing fingerprints or moving fur (which you can replicate in 3D anyway). The only real reason to do stop-motion to tell an animated story instead of doing it in CG is because you want to. And that's not enough to convince a studio to fund it.
>>153644636People didn’t make better movies.
>>153644793>And that's not enough to convince a studio to fund it.I know of at least one person who's willing to do so, and it's Phil Knight of all people. Sucks that he took over Will Viinton's studio, but he's weirdly dedicated to stop motion.
>>153644812The most memorable part was that this guy got raped by a tree.
Because it’s a very craftsmanship heavy medium where patience is a requirement for usually not a lot of payoff.
>>153644652lol lmao even
>>153644636No creative wants to capitalize on whatever makes A Nightmare before Christmas or Coraline popular. No dark stop motion musical until Corpse Bride many years later? No Laika movie targeted at girls after Coraline?
>>153645741>No Laika movie targeted at girls after Coraline?Wildwood's supposed to come out this year, and it's after that same demographic.
Good stop motion just ends up looking like cg anyways.
CGI is stop motion. Just copy the shaders and it looks the same.
>>153645956Ambitious attempt, though I think it's aged somewhat (visually) compared to The Willoughbys.
>>153644636Beacuse CG made it pointlessAnd AI will make CG pointless...
>>153645980No
>>153644636It's expensive and Nightmare on Elm Street kind of poisoned it so people only make lame Burton-esque movies with it.
>>153646015NTA, but have you seen the one with pigeons? That was honestly really cool!
>>153645980>And AI will make CG pointless...Even Iran can make animation now.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G9DNx7xIIcIt's joever for artists.
>>153646026Better than goofy looking Aardman shit. >Nightmare on Elm Street Dumbass
>>153646026>it’s expensiveI honestly don’t think cost has anything to do with it. If you look at the budgets for the big stop-motion films (mostly Aardman and Laika), the budget is almost all tend to be in the 40 to 60 million range (Curse of the Were Rabbit only cost 30M), compared to the usual 90-100M of CGI.
let it die
>>153644636Dunno, audiences don't really care for it. The most successful one of all time was Chicken Run for gods sakes. We had 3 in one year with Franeknweenie, Pirates! and Paranorman and they all bombed. It's not like they didn't give it the old college try, Laika poured heart and soul into it but has never had a success besides Coraline.Something about it just makes people think it's not worth paying money for, simple as.
Why do people like this fat hack? That interview where he’s talking about Kojima is straight comedy. You can literally see him mentally recalling advice producers gave him in the eighties.>Dude, make sure to name as many names as you can!>Compare him to David Lynch! Mention Mark Frost! Salvadore Dali! You use familiarity to sell it to the audience!
>>153646198>The most successful one of all time was Chicken Run for gods sakes.That's just cause of the Dreamworks label. People want Nightmare before Christmas cause that's good.
>>153646232Nice cope
>>153644793>Because at this point, you can achieve the exact same look with CG for a fraction of the cost,I uhI don't think you realize how cheap stop motion is. Or has been since forever. As a matter of fact since someone brought it up, we actually have a near 1-1 comparison of "Stop motion feature film in X style" and "CGI feature film in X style". The movies Wallace and Gromit:Curse of the Were-Rabbit and Flushed Away literally came out within 1 year of each other, both had the exact same style and both had the exact same look and feel and near identical runtimes too.W&G cost 30 million dollars to make.Flushed Away cost 149 million.In fact the most expensive stop motion film ever made, by quite a lot above the second place runner up, was Missing Link at a substantial 100 million. On the flipside that 100 million price tag does not put it in the top FIFTY of most expensive CGI movies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_expensive_animated_films CGI is more expensive than Stop Motion in every single comparison, but the one thing CGI beats it and Traditional animation out blow for blow is "Makes a fuckton more money". No Stop Motion movie ever made as much as Chicken Little, let that sink in.
>>153646239>That's just cause of the Dreamworks label.Dunno how to break it to you but 2000 Dreamworks was a bomb factory that struggled to get any sort of relevance while Disney and Pixar were either at the top of their game or on the rise, Disney's downfall at the box office specifically started in 2001 and Dreamworks wouldn't have a full on bonified hit until Shrek which came later. That Chicken Run was successful at all had nothing to do with the label and more to do with CGI being a scant year+ away from hitting their full stride and tearing the industry up in a runaway success.
>>153646332Yeah "Fraction of the cost" is outright wrong, even the newer Shaun of the Sheep CGI movies which are mostly made for streaming are more expensive than the old one that was made for a wide release.
>>153646365All wrong.
>>153644636HEY LITTLE TORO! I TOOK A HUGE SHIT IN THE PUPPET'S DRAWER, NOW YOUR HANDS ARE FULL OF SHIT! HAHA! HOW DO YOU LIKE THEM APPLES?
>>153646426You know I hadn't thought about it that way and did not consider 'Easily verifiable numbers on a list' concerning the 3 major bombs 1 soft bomb mostly due to it's 100+ million budget' and 1 success meant they were fine. Also that they had a bonified hit with a movie before Shrek which was_____ And the one two punch of Shrek and Monster's Inc completely destroying the competition certainly had nothing to do with the soon to be absolutely meteoric rise of CGI movies which would be cemented by Nemo and Shrek 2 dethroning The Lion King. How could I have been so wrong.
>>153644636It's expensive, it requires the work of a skilled artist and not a replaceable drone, it takes a ling time to do, and you can't advertise the results as "innovative technology."
>>153646332That's why I added the other criteria as well. In a movie production that often demands rewrites and sometimes whole sections being re-animated within a short timeframe, CG is king. You also already have the benefit of studios being set up for CG and a lot of people who are familiar with these programs and tools.Many times when these bigger studio films have large budgets, they are purposely ballooned because they can be. Compare the CG budgets to something like Chickenhare or Ron's Gone Wrong. They're even cheaper than some LAIKA films.
Pui Pui Molcar was a smash hit in JapanPokémon Concierge and My Melody & Kuromi were doing well on Netflix It's not expensive if Japan is doing it
>>153644636too hard
>>153646735You need to compare equivalent productions. You can't compare Pokemon Concierge to WALL-E. It would be more like comparing Robot Chicken to something like Jimmy Neutron. Hoodwinked cost $8mil in 2005. Adjusted for inflation, that would be around $13mil - $15mil now. And these are nearing the bottom of visuals, we could get even worse with the likes of FoodFight!.
>>153646618>. In a movie production that often demands rewrites and sometimes whole sections being re-animated within a short timeframe, CG is kingWell no, that's still 2D as proven by movies like Lilo and Stitch which re-wrote and Re-animate it's entire final act and chase scene in less than 3 months or Kingdom of the Sun/Emperor's New Groove, which redid it's entire everything in 10 months. Everything. Literally fucking every part of that movie was different and ready for its holiday release despite them being given an ultimatum on it. Of course, despite both of those movies doing those rewrites and redos just as fast but VASTLY cheaper than something like say, Frozen's much higher price tag and near identical turnaround, both of them wouldn't even make a fraction of Frozen's box office. Still, even if Stop Motion's budgets ballooned to 2x as a result of rewrites and redos, it would not come close to the budget of either of those but the time frame would be massive in comparison admittedly.>You also already have the benefit of studios being set up for CG and a lot of people who are familiar with these programs and tools.That's a better point, despite us having the technology now to make a Maddie into a Tiana in a freakishly short timeframe for cheap, Disney just plain doesn't have the infrastructure to do it anymore. It doesn't exist. They can't do what they could anymore, and probably never will be able to again.>. Compare the CG budgets to something like Chickenhare That's a Belgian film though, those get so many subsidies they're downright insane. Secret of Kells was 8 million if you can believe it.> Ron's Gone Wrong.That one's a great example though, because so much of the film was saved by just something as simple as copy-pasting models, it's the same method that made Despicable Me 2 down to 60 million as well.
>>153644636Expensive and no korean slave labor to outsource it to to keep the price down.
>>153646232Currently? Because he decided to pander to all the Twitter manchildren by doing the whole>le animation is cinema bitall to boost his shitty Pinocchio movie that nobody talks about anymore
>>153646617>It's expensive,No it's not? Stop Motion is by far the cheapest method due to it's nature not allowing for the glut of rewrites reshoots and editing that most media suffer from during test screenings, it would take too long to completely redo a scene because one fucker in the audience said it was too confusing, as a result there's not Captain Falcon issue where they keep redoing and remaking and changing and adding another 0 to the line. The rest of the world doesn't really have this problem, Japan if they do any changes is on the blu ray release and besides that just deliver as is. This is what kept Minus One's budget STUNNINGLY low for what was a pretty major production.Stop Motion is cheap, it's really cheap, but you can't change shit on a whim and just eat the cost like a CGI movie could.
>>153646956The one scene I remember from that Pinocchio adaptation was that he just wanted his cheese. (Got hung to a cross KEK)
>>153646809I didn't compare it to specific one, though. I meant probably there's still room for more successful small projects.
>>153645974I completely forgot this film exists...
>>153648249That's Netflix in a nutshell, I hardly hear of any animated movies coming from there anymore without word of mouth.
>>153646884>Secret of Kells was 8 million if you can believe it.Out of curiosity, what was it before subsidies?
>>153644636>>153644793So why isn't hand-drawn more popular?
>>153644636Can they calm Perlman's TDS long enough to get a performance out of him?
>>153646232Half because he’s known as the director of off-beat, quirky fantasy films, half because he made Pan’s Labyrinth.I’ve never been a fan of his work either, honestly. He always felt like a diet John Carpenter.>>153648497Because CGI animated films make boatloads more money.
>>153648429It wasn't a big enough movie to get a published tax filing like a Disney movie but quick googling say>Tax Shelter in Belgium is a federal incentive for investment in film, TV drama, and documentary. Producers can access up to 42% of their Belgian expensesSeeing other similar-scaled productions puts its gross at LIKELY 15-17 million.
>>153648497>So why isn't hand-drawn more popular?Kids fucking love CGI for some reason and that's literally it. There's nothing more complicated. Kids were given the option of Treasure Planet/Lilo and Stitch or Ice Age, and they picked Ice Age more than them. Little girls watched very little Princess and the Frog and a FUCKLOAD of Frozen.Simple as.
>>153646985That was the Smiling Friends pilot.
>>153646884>Well no, that's still 2D as proven by movies like Lilo and Stitch which re-wrote and Re-animate it's entire final act and chase scene in less than 3 monthsDude, most of the hand-drawn animation was reused. They replaced the CG plane model with a spaceship.
>>153648818I'm joking a little by comparing it to Smiling Friends, but that's a real scene that happened in the movie.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUuRfj12OJU&
I need to get the numbers again but I remember reading with stop motion you can take like a week or something of filming to get five seconds of animationReally, it's quite impressive any stopmotion films get made, the commitment is incredible
>>153644636How long is it going to take him to release it, 15-20 years?
>>153644636Stuck between the timeless appeal of 2D animation and the industry standard of using CGI animation.I like stop-motion but it has esoteric appeal.
Because it stopped
>>153645737Is it not? Stop-motion is still a time-consuming animation style that brings back underwhelming fiscal returns, but the craft continues to be respected by a few influential enthusiasts like Travis Knight and Guillermo del Toro. Handdrawn doesn't have that kind of luxury, at least not in the States...
>>153646406>the newer Shaun of the Sheep CGI moviesI thought all the Shaun of the Sheep stuff was still stop motion? I can't find any mention of it being CGI
>>153644636Cause they keep picking weird and unappealing stuff to make with it
>>153644793>you can achieve the exact same look with CGlol, every time fake stop-motion is a thing people call it out. It’s as easy to detect as AI and only used for stuff like chikfila commercials. >for a fraction of the costYou can literally make something with scraps of cardboard and reused clay. Then, when you build something once, you just use it for the entire film instead of having to redraw every frame ala 2D.>Some of these studios use so much 3D-printingonly one studio that is criticized for this decision in every thread, no need to pretend it’s an epidemic>you can replicate fingerprints or moving fur in 3D anywaytakes more work to fake it than to actually make it>The only real reason to do stop-motion to tell an animated story instead of doing it in CG is because you want to. And that's not enough to convince a studio to fund it.Agreed.Semi-related thought. There literally haven’t been enough stop-motion things for AI to convincingly use as training data, so if someone tries it always ends up looking like CG. If animators are paranoid about this stuff, they should pick up modeling because I’ve found it’s easier, more fun, and results in more charming work. On the other hand, I kind of like that it’s been gate kept.
>>153652307No, retard
>>153646058I know this isn't pol but this guys are my idolsSaved their country and global sanity buying lego ai prompts
>>153652628Yes, fuck you. How the fuck am I wrong? Back up your shit. They keep picking strange shit no one wants. That Missing Link crap fell through the floor.
>>153646809Good lord FoodFight was a shitshow. I'm not saying the original intended film would've been a masterpiece but at least that original trailer had a clear cartoony direction, the final product replicated those stretchy animation effects from it in an uncanny manner that completely missed the idea.
>>153644636It's obsolete.Everything it does, CGI does it better.
>>153644636Not a lot of people do it. the most popular stop motion from Aardman, Laika and Rankin&Bass movies are beloved by audiences though
>>153653330No
>>153644812>>153644851At least the demon chick was hot.
>>153646956nobody talks about movies in general here, unless they just came out.
>>153646198>The most successful one of all time was Chicken Run for gods sakes.>25 years and no other stop motion has beat itFuck that's grim.What is stop motion missing compared to cgi?
>>153653928laika kind of just aimed for the kiddie audience a while
>>153644636Same reason most American's don't have passports, or speak foreign languages or know how to find something on a globe or a map.Even internationally, it's like anything else.Zoomies are fatter, more stupid, less interested in anything, brain-dead on reality TV and K-POP garbage, etc.
>>153644636>Why is stop-motion not more popular?Because it's just a moat for fat rich faggots like del Torto to hide behind. You can make fake CGI or AI stop motion shit with Houdini or w/e and achieve 99.99% the same effect, but ugh, like, that wouldn't be authentic? So, like, don't do that, okay???It's a flex and a fake promise of craft to the normoid viewer, at this point. Gay-lame-o doesn't have the expertise. He got funds.
>>153644817>one person who's willing to do so, and it's Phil Knight of all people.Apparently his one son died in an accident and he's only left with Travis, thus he's essentially funding his kid's dream, like most decent parents would. Except dude's a billionaire.Phil himself, as a republican and sports nuts, probably gives zero fucks about cartoons of any kind.
>>153644636(((hollywood))) cant do as much tax evasion&money laundering with a stop motion movie as with a normal movie.
