>Is the best indie cartoon out right now>Gets ignored at best, mocked at worstWhy?
>>153647489The min character voice is awful.
>>153647489Should have bought the rights to Earthworm Jim. Or hell, just animate his comics.
>>153647489Its not aimed at deranged teenage girls
>>153647489Zeurel was kind of standoffish back in the Deviant Art days. Maybe he just didn't kiss enough ass to get free press.
>>153647489>The title is MONKEY WRENCH>No MONKEYS>no WRENCHES
>no shipping>no drama>no reason to make a 3 hour video essayDoomed from the start
>>153647634>>153647824These are the sole reasons. The "media literacy" crowd refuse to consume anything that doesn't have adventure time levels of lore or newgrounder levels of eceleb drama.What a shame, I thought Monkey Wrench was pretty neat.
>Zeurel took down most of his old Youtube videos, including tablet reviews, and nuked his TwitterLol what happened?
>>153647489The main characters suck and the story ain’t interesting or funny.
>>153647519This is the answer. Jacob Barrens single handedly ruined this show by making the MC sound as annoying as fucking possible. I could forgive anything else, but the show is fucking impossible to listen to. A precocious voice actor should do a fan dub and keep everything the same but just overdubbed every single one of Shrike’s lines. Maybe ditch the racist impersonation of Cheech Marin.
>>153647769>the title isn’t literal
>>153647489>Is the best indie cartoon out right now>best
>>153647489>objectively ugly character designs>Shrike sounds annoying and is basically a poor man's Ren Hoek>nothing really happens in the showand to think one of my favorite artists stopped drawing a ship he was known for to drawing fanart of this trash instead
>>153649632I would rather watch an entire series of Ren and Stimpy going through space while having to save (or destroy) planets than watch a singular episode of Monkey Wrench.
>>153647489The main characters are literally brown.
>>153647489Zeural slits his wrists every time a new SpaceKing releases and get more views in 12 hours than his whole show combined.
>>153647489Because you lied, OP, and it's not actually interesting.
>>153647824And no goonbait aimed at heteronormative males
>>153647489The main characters are the weakest part of the show.
>>153647489>Is the best indie cartoon out right now
>>153647489>>Is the best indie cartoon out right nowtried to watch it, its mid desu i was out of it the entire time until picrel showed up, does she show up again or no? shes the only character i liked>>Gets ignored at best, mocked at worstbecause like i said its MID
>>153649150>racist impersonation of Cheech MarinFuck off, you stupid race baiting cuck. You just had to nullify everything you said at the last sentence.
>>153650516racist or not, if is a shitty and annoying impression of some guy from a decades-old movie. I remember watching the first episode years ago and being annoyed at it.
>>153647634Who IS the target audience though? Other than Zeurel
>>indieThere's your answer
>>153647489>life long project syndromeAlways start fresh. No one gets or wants to get your magnum opus but you. They want to be entertained not indulge you.
>>153647489Because It'snot GOODIT'S NOT FUCKING FUNNYALL THE JOKES FALL FLAT AND ARE CRINGE AS SHITI can't stand for Monkeywrench shills. I sat through two and a half episodes and it was pain. The jokes are all "character says something really wacky!" There are no punch lines. No comedic timing. The script is trash. It's fucking trash. I don't care how well it's animated, and it's only half-way decent by indie animation standards in the year of our lord 2026.That's why Anon. Because it's not good.
>>153647489>>153651644Yeah... It's crazy how that show makes Monkey Wrench look more coherent by comparison...
>>153649220>picI hate this niggerish meme so much
>>153647519I wonder how the fags complaining about Shriek, a worm like character that has a voice like that, imagine him sounding like
>>153651739MEANWHILE HAZBIN HOTEL.EXPLAIN THIS.
>>153647489I want strong and appealing human male protags, and indie thus far as failed to provide>b-but why? so much media already has that-if it ain’t broke don’t fix it
>>153649150https://youtu.be/-47H99gKlo4
>>153647489
>>153652452Hazbin baits gender autists and musical theater dorks who wish they were goth. It’s a specific demographic, but the type that will fanatically latch onto media they like and wear it as a personality for awhile.
>>153652481I mean seriously, imagine if this show had a human male MC>the human plot, arguably the most interesting part of the show, is made front and center>more inherent conflict and action as he’s constantly on the run from bounty hunters and the space government>shipping bait with the cat lady that develops into romance
>>153647489HahahahahahaYou're so fucking MEAN, dudeJust let this shit rest in peace
>>153652710Wait, Zeurel didn’t call it quits. Did he?
>>153647489I made it as far as the reddit cat and decided that it wasn't worth watching any further. Didn't like any of the characters or their voices and the animation and artwork is garbage. The humor is just too reminiscent of something like GoTG and I already didn't like GoTG's humor in the first place. It just feels so uninspired and phony just like every other indie animation I've seen posted on this site.
>>153653001I love how fat the ass of the Reddit Cat gets in his own porn art.
>>153647489>best indie cartoonThat's an incredibly low bar
>>153647489Funny thing about this show is how severely criticized it is here. I've seen little to no anons say they genuinely like it.
>>153652311I never got the Shrike voice complaints, he basically sounds like a slightly raspier Ren Hoek.
>>153647489the one on the left looks like a meth head earthworm jim.
>>153652693Didnt earlier versions of this have a human protagonist?
>>153647489Not ignored but I dont feel any need to see the new episodes as soon as possible.
>>153653845Not even close
>>153647489>Gooseworx is now trying to shill Monkey Wrench on 4chanIt's never gonna happen, troon.
What with the normie level meme image replies??Like yeah this show sucks, but those replies are even more cringe.
>>153647489I liked his OC tourney animations more, there was something alot cooler and pincher about them
>>153647489A mixture of Osmosis Jones and Earthworm Jim or whateverso it looks like
I've heard this show's only impressive trait is the blood and sweat the creator put into animation..But there's no female leads. You're missing an entire half of an audience + gender bickering among them. Show is doomed to fail, and it's sooo fucking funny how desperate this guy is to get picked up by Glitch only for them to start crashing and burning with the whole TADC theatre bullshit happening.The title sux, too.
>>153656446I think most big creators in the indie scene have tried to help boost MW. Zeurel tends to get upset that people aren't talking about it, but when all the creators of more successful shows are trying to boost it and it still can't get off the ground, maybe it's not a PR issue. Fire Jacob Barrens
>>153647519>>153649150If this is genuinely enough to put you off of the show you are autistic to the point that your opinion doesn't matter
>>153647824Unfortunately this is the case. If you can't bait the 2014 era tumblr crowd into forming parasocial bonds with it or screeching about it you won't get huge amounts of free views. It still remains a better show because of this, but it means it won't make as much money
>>153649632>objectively uglyI shudder to think what you have deluded yourself into believing is good character design
Zerual has pretty much made every wrong decision when making Monkey Wrench:>Decides right from the start to give the spot light to two guys instead of a four-man team.>Almost make every character have a childish personality with examples being Shrike, Tyneenan, Green Skull Guy, etc.>Not figured out the tone of the show so it keeps jumping from serious and wacky all the time.>Not attractive or appealing designs for the two male leads and Shrike's voice is annoying and along with the Spanish word drops as well.>Not at least making Shrike and Tyneenan Aro/Ace love interests for each other.The show just isn't very good to watch and the only thing gripping about it at least is the exact mysterious plotline for Humanity and what they did to cause the Cataclysm in the first place.
>>153657237>spot light to two guys instead of a four-man team.Nothing wrong with this in itself, problem is Shrike and Beebs don't have much back and forth chemistry like Rally and Minnie for example
HAZBIN BEBOP
>>153657237>Decides right from the start to give the spot light to two guys instead of a four-man team.Buddy adventure shows are great when the two are written well and their chemistry is actually fun. These two are just annoyingly passive aggressive toward eachother all the time, and not even for laughs.
>>153647489I mock Zeurel for his poor management of the series, not the series itself.
if your main characters are the worst part of your show then i'm not watching it
>>153649150Man I love Zeurel, this miscast it's such a shame.
>>153652579That two-panel comic in the bottom corner gets me laughing every time I swear
>>153659692The shit-eating grin you have when you've ruined a series and you're too stupid to know it.
They have pride flags and lore and a tumblr sexyman. Why isn't the tumblr audience eating it up?
>>153662010>tumblr sexymanWho?
>>153662042The black guy
>>153652105Cry harder timmy
>>153647489>What if Cowboy bebop, but the main characters were ugly, they all had bad voice actors, and there were no cool fight scenes?!
>cowboy bebop but all female characters are furries and barefoot
>>153649181>its metaphorical. >like the monkey wrench its awful title threw into any kind of understanding of what the show is without looking it up. >Pictures of it look like so random netslop. you have HAIR GUY holding what could be a laser gun, or some kind of flash drive n your OP image, flanked by "We really wanted Coop from Megas XLR but we have him at home." None of this gives me any idea what its about, other then having the kind of art style someone would come up with if you put "Edgy Future Simpons" into an AI generator.
Sex with Beebs.
>hmm...what color shall I have for my character for everyone to mainly focus on while watching my cartoon that I invested a gorillion hours and a squidillion dollars on?
I assure you, even if every other indie didn't exist, Monkey Wrench would've still gained zero traction
>>153647634Sadly this guy has the right of it. The characters are unappealing and unfuckable and the entire first episode involves them protecting that stupid bird guy who is annoying instead of funny. If you aren't making shit that teenagers want to draw Rule 34 of, or pair up in stupid "ships" it's not going to get traction.Besides, it's basically a cheap Cowboy Bebop knock-off but with cartoony aliens. However technically competent the animation may be, it has no "it" factor. It's the sort of thing that never would have made it past a pilot on network tv.
You're sposda ship these 2
>>153647489because it's fucking boringthe only noteworthy thing is "b-but it's indie!!!!" cool glad indie animation is at the level of a canceled nicktoons show that nobody talks about anymore like bunsen is a beast or planet sheen
>>153663380I do appreciate that he made a humanoid lizard woman and didn't give her tits.
>>153652579Peak post 2007 zoomer stuff
If this show's such a failure then why's all the merch sold out?
>>153663513Because it's not really a failure, but Zeurel is suffering from B-lister syndrome, so since he's not getting TADC or Skibidi levels of attention, he's been moaning about it very frequently (and as such, leaving himself open to mockery from anons).
>>153647489I like it. It's crying how this guy complains for views after each episode.
>>153663609I mean, is he actually producing this at a loss? I could understand the frustration if he's losing money on how expensive it is. That's not to say I don't agree with other people saying to make it shorter/refine the investment a bit to match the returns, but still, the B-lister syndrome would make some more sense if he's losing money he's pouring into a big project.
>>153663802It can definitely be frustrating, but he should temper his expectations, because animation that is both profitable and quality is an anomaly. Hazbin and TADC are exceptions, rather than the norm.
>>153664091>Hazbin and TADCI can easily believe they're profitable, but quality? That seems highly subjective.
>>153664118I mean quality strictly in terms of the animation not the writing (specifically the pilot in Hazbin's case, I don't really care for the series animation actually).
>>153664091I mean, Hazbin and TADC both have people behind them that can funnel any money necessary into doing everything for it. Not to get people started on the semantics of indie but it's certainly not on par with one dude/a tiny crew, right?
I could barely get through the first two episodes. I might watch the third one if i get drunk. I like the lizard lady though, but besides her, i don't care about any if the characters.
>>153650985People old enough to remember the 90s but haven't realized they should stop drinking energy drinks.
>>153647489No one ever links the damn thing so after googling and not seeing it, going to Videos and scrolling all the way down and seeing Ep 5, clicking it and then clicking Ep 1 on the right side recommendations, I finally heard Shrike's voice. It's really not as bad as everyone made me think. I can see how it'd be a little tiring maybe but it's not like, something shrill I as expecting. Unless my bouncing around made me miss some really bad parts.
The leads are genuinely just bad/unappealing characters.
>>153647489The thread said it many times, but I'll repeat it. The main characters are lame. It's silly that they're supposed to be two distinct aliens from different planets, but they both look like ugly muppets. Making them monkeys would be a start to a more engaging design. I would have shelved them as side characters. Alternatively, turn them into a trio or add a fourth character to the mix. I get the duo are supposed to be like the tight friends you would see in a stoner movie but they dont really have any of that charm.
>>153652452Hazbin has the tumblrites, theater kids, and shippers to literally hard carry the entire show, the shippers alone probably buy the bulk of the merch and watch most of their shit, couple that with goth furry characters (Loona who is scientifically engineered for this) and you've got a porn generator aka free publicity and bam, insane popularityHazbin is more known and watched not because it's better than monke wrench, but because it fucking knows it's audienceMonke wrench... I don't even know who the show is for desu
>>153664665Watch a whole fucking episode. It gets old fast.
>>153663802Most indie ventures lose money. No crowdfund ever covers all costs and creators almost always end up going out of pocket. Glitch and Spindlehorse are the anomaly, but even Lackadaisy ran into budgeting problems despite raising 2 million dollars.
>>153663513I don’t really get the appeal of standees
>>153647489Can anyone give a synopsis of this show? Like, explain the characters, their motivations, and their goals.I feel like the real problem with this show is that not many people can unless they skip most of the episodes and there is nothing to really latch onto in those first few episodes. TADC and HH are able to court an audience faster because it establishes its overall story, and the stakes of that story, much faster MW.
>>153652693Since when is the MC not male?
>>153647489Indie animation has to appeal to children and not 30 year old men.
>>153652481Wouldn’t just A male protagonist suffice? I’m not going to subject myself to watching it again, but do humans even show up in this series?
>>153652481>want strong and appealing human male protagsSame anon, too many goonbait female mc's who are hard carried by rule34 artists, I just want a spike spiegel type main character in one of these indie shows man, just gimme spike spiegel his character archetype just lends itself to a really good male mc
>>153664665It gets really bad if you try to enjoy a whole episode like a normal show.I guess someone that puts it as background noise wouldn't notice how bad it is. This may explain why Netflix keeps stuff like big mouth, people just put it as background noise and forget about it.I feel very bad comparing MW to BM, MW has artistic merit.
>>153665905>>153652693
>>153666064Yeah, I just saw it, my fault
>>153647489If Monkey Wrench is so good, why hasn't Glitch made it one of their shows?
>>153663380Nah. I'll waifu the fuck out of both instead, thanks.
>>153666301since when was glitch the end all be all of "good" content
>>153649632>one of my favorite artists stopped drawing a ship he was known fowhat ship?
>>153666064>Humans mess everything up again this is why we don’t play god
>>153651644>gameoverse is a decade old passion projectnow I'm kinda worried
>>153667493You should've been "worried" from the female protag and her design.
>>153667575I was worried the moment it started getting astroturfed.
>>153647489It sucks. There's no greater reason. It's bad. Ask rather why other bad indie cartoons have succeeded.
>>153667631>Ask rather why other bad indie cartoons have succeeded.I can think of at least one indie cartoon that's worse off than MW. Now, tell me with a straight face, has anyone ever discussed Catching Up beyond its initial pilot?>episode 2 isn't finished yet despite raising its goalLMAO.
>>153667691I thought we were on episode 3.
>>153667713Yeah you're right, didn't realize there even WAS an episode 2. Guess that's just how forgettable it was.
>>153647489because it's mid, when you're mid you're forgettable, and being forgettable is the worst thing a piece of media can be >shippers have nothing to latch onto>pretentious video essayist have nothing to latch onto>haters have nothing to latch onto>lorefags have nothing to latch ontodo you get it? hazbin hotel has a ton of videos about how bad it is and yes it is shit but one thing it isn't is being forgettable, which is unfortunately what monkey wrench is
>>153663609You'd think a longtime artist like him would know it never helps to compare yourself to other artists, be it in attention or output of work. He's achieved what many couldn't, yet he's bemoaning himself. I wish him luck.
>>153665924Dunno about the voice thing, but Netflix absolutely knows people just put shit on in the background, it's why some of their content reiterates points from time to time.
>>153665044Bingo. Solid animation, premise, setting, and direction falling flat on its face because the two leads just aren't that likable, cool, or fun. He did everything right except for the main characters.
>>1536663011) because MW is already being made. Glitch produces shows from the beginning, they don’t pick things up midway through2) Glitch is a business, not a charity. MW famously doesn’t make money or get views. Why would they want to pour money into that?3) Glitch is not the end-all be-all of good shows. Your assumption seems to be that all Glitch shows are good and that anything non-Glitch is not
Zeurel is chasing the serialized TV series angle and not the youtube indie animation series angle.The problem is that he's ON youtube.
>>153667575>>153667603you guys are gay as fuck
